Star Children (Evolutionary Step of Mankind).

Absolutely the Characters have to work..... i dont think Characters are what you build the movie about, you need to look at the Plot Points to build a Structure, these are the Basis....   The Blocks of the Movie.

ONCE you have that... then you have to look at the Characters you have in the Movie and then its a Question of HOW WELL these are done that will effect how well the Movie will do...   The Development/Execution of the Characters are the THREAD that ties it together, the MORTAR that  binds the BLOCKS

A Weak Mortar and the Blocks will just Fall Apart! So yes once you have your PLOT, you then need to get the Characters Right... a Movie can FAIL on how Poor or Connecting the Characters are... so in a way this is  PRIORITY.

You can get a Plot a A-Z of the Movie done that sounds Good and Interesting, then you need a Writer in who can Flesh Out the Characters then a Director who can get the BEST out of them, and Cast who can Portray them well.

I know your not a Fan of the Android Aspect... and a Fan of Human Characters, but a Movie can work and have you connect with NONE-HUMAN Characters IF its done right but you will always need STRONG and WELL-WRITTEN Humans to act as a ANCHOR point, and be our Eyes/POV to the Story.

So indeed any Movie that covers other Races, or Engineers, would need Human Characters to connect with the Audience.

A Problem with say David having his own Colony of Engineered Superior Humans, and having little or NO Humans in the movie...  would be its hard to connect to such beings especially if they appear Less Human and are Superior and somewhat Super Human.. 

They have to be given some Humanity, some Peril, something to have us see some Plight for their Species.  This could be difficult to accomplish but NOT impossible.  It would require making any other Characters be they Incoming Humans or Engineers, be the ones who the Nasty Selfish SOB's and making the Engineered Humanoids on Origae-6 the ones who are innocent and in plight, just as the Avatar  has with the Na'vi...  you could even have David become Disappointing and try to Destroy these Humanoids, and see their Peril at escaping the Plans David has for them!

But for this to work, it usually would need some Humans to act as support and Sympathizers to these Humanoids. And being the ones to try and help those Humanoids... or have some Humans in Peril and have some of these Humanoids to help the Humans.

Without any ACTUAL Humans it would become harder to Gauge/Connect with any other Humanoid Species, be they Engineers, be they Davids Creations or some Natives on Origae-6.

There is so many ways a Sequel set on Origae-6 could go, and we could see that there are some Native Humanoids, and if we are to connect with them, then they have to be portrayed as Innocents, and the Colonist or David as the Wicked... but this kind of PLOT could become a bit too much like AVATAR.

Certainly is something to consider... what a surprise it would be for the Covenant Colonist to Discover Origae-6 has Humanoids already there... HOW do they react?

Do the Natives become Aggressive, Welcoming?

Do they form a Bond/Covenant and work hand in hand, and then we see the Colonist start to Treat Walter as just a Machine, and so Walter (David) starts to feel... "here we go again"...  and then Unleashes Hell on those Humans?

How do the Natives React? Does he attack them too? How do they View/Treat David?  Would they see him as a Godly Figure, and how would Humans react to that.

So yes a lot of Potential, but again maybe it puts Davids Role as being quite HIGH for some Fans, and also Fans would ask HOW would this connect to ALIEN eventually and so it would have to have the Xenomorph or Similar involved and SET-UP a sequel that would connect more closer to ALIEN.

"There are more things that you can have in the prequels without it being dominated by a robot that is just evil/have a messed up programming or what ever"

AND

“some may hope for a Explanation that shows Davids Xenomorphs are NOT on the Derelict.”

Yes please"

You are not alone in these concerns... in context to what we do for a sequel, and one that revolves around David Engineering another Human Race who inhabits Origae-6

A large Problem is what kind of a Society/Civilization is built by the time any other Human Ship arrives... and the TIME-RESTRAINTS of the Franchise would LIMIT this.

You see if we ASSUME that we are going to Origae-6, then by the time we have the Covenant Arrive, until when the Nostromo Crew Discover the Derelict we are left with JUST 10 years.

IF they indicate in the sequels that DAVID does-not create the Xenomorph that is on LV-426, then the sequels are not BOUND by Forcing/Marching us to when Davids Xenomorphs end up on the Derelict within a Space of 10 years.

But then Fans are expecting a ALIEN Prequel... and a Engineer's Return...  which limits the DEPTH you could give to any Origae-6 Story as far as a World that has Humanoids that David would Engineer.

IF we go for such a Plot... then Davids Engineered Humans would have to GROW Quick... but we have seen this explored with Clone Movies and Replicants.  so this could still WORK.

The Dislike for David.. would be a Problem... ONE-WAY would be a Aftermath... A Human Ship arrives at Origae-6 some 5-7 years after David arrived and they discover these Humanoids who are a bit Different... and maybe David is Dead/Disappeared?

IF these Humanoids were raised on the Doctrine that David is their Creator and God, and he had Died, or Disappeared.. then it would be interesting HOW these Humanoids would react to the Incoming Humans!

Would they know who Humans are?  What would David had said?

The BIGGER twist would be IF this Human Ship has a Walter, and then those Humanoids could INSTANTLY think this is the Return of their Messiah!

What happens when the Humans and Walter, discover Effigies to David/Walter and see he was seen as GOD/Creator to these Humanoids?   And then the Humans/Walter explain to these beings the Origins of David/Walter a revelation that their Would-Be GOD is actually a Creation of these Incoming Humans.   And that these Androids are meant to Serve and NOT be Gods.

HOW would a Superior Race to Humans accept that these inferior Species have turned up and declare that they are the Creator of their GOD! and there is NOTHING important about their Creator, he is ONE of many who are made to Serve MANKIND.

This would be VERY interesting, a PLOT that could lessen Davids Screen Time (he could not even play a Role) and Fassbender plays a Walter like Character.  You could also wonder how does the Incoming Walter Model React when he sees that ONE of his own Kind could go on to become a Creator and God like Figure instead of being a Servant?

What happens when Engineers Turn up or do so in a Sequel?

The PROBLEM is that by going for a Direct Prequel route now, any of this would be a Distraction, the Xenomorph would be expected, and the movie would be expected to SET-UP a sequel that would HAVE to be more ALIENY and link to ALIEN..

So its a Distraction!

But i do expect Elements explored in my Topics on this subject to show up in Ridley Scotts TV Series Raised by Wolves, which will have Freedom to Express these and not be Forced to have to connect to ALIEN.

If Fox/Disney get away from direct prequel of Alien... And if they want to create the David's world and his Star Childrens, they should put they story as parallel arc of Alien/Aliens. And third film sets a plot after Aliens. This give a time for David experiments, civilization, Star Childrens and many another things. Just disconnect prequels from Alien plot.

Certainly Leto...

This is the Pickle we Find ourselves in because it appeared that Prometheus 2 was going to GO OFF and do its own separate thing and STEER Away from Alien.

Maybe RS has intended with the sequel to allow it to be a movie that can Bridge a Gap and OFFER TWO Directions, a Third Alien Prequel that takes us to the Back Door of ALIEN and another Sequel that could cover the Engineers and Creation on a different Tangent.

They have to find the Balance....  if the Next Movie is too much about David and his World and Creations and if these LACK any real Xenomorph/Alieny look about them... then i think it could Disappoint some Alien Fans who then may not be interested in another Prequel even if it would be more Direct Set-Up to ALIEN.

We can assume Davids Agenda has to be Create Xenomorph and Unleash it on Earth... but if this was the case, it would make more sense for him to head to LV-223, or stay on Planet 4.  As opposed to going to Origae-6

I think we have to look at the Multiple Layers here, and so we could see David take a similar stance to the Engineers...

If we assume the Engineers Create Life for a Benevolent Reason...  you would find it Logical that they can Create Something Else to PROTECT them from other Races or Unruly Creations..

So if David intends to Create his Own Star Children, he would be wise to also have a Large Number of Xenomorph Eggs that he can use to PROTECT his World/Creation, but also to PUNISH it should they Rebel and become Unruly.

Its getting the Balancing Act that will attract and please the most Fans... this is up to Disney to Gauge this... FOX felt that a Prometheus 2 should have gone the route of Alien Covenant and maybe that was a Error of Judgement by them.

In Hindsight Prometheus should have been less Ambiguous with the Xenomorph Origin Clues, and it should have had more Alieny Action like Scenes... so Fans could see more clearly that the Engineers and LV-223 are connected to the Xenomorph.

This would have allowed a Prometheus 2 to Steer Away from ALIEN and Xenomorphs, while giving Fans more Answers and allowed for a ALIEN movie about Xenomorphs to come out that does-not have to worry about stepping on the toes of anything Prometheus or its Sequel would cover.

No. It is not about balance or xenomorphs. It's all about time. No time before Nostromo accident. But there is time before Aliens. Put third (and four) David's films parallel Alien story before 2179, or after this year and we have standalone world with its own history and mystery!

I can see what you mean by TIME...

What i was referring to with BALANCE is that the Alien Franchise is expected to Maintain some Element of the ALIEN Movie, when people are asked about ALIEN those that do know your on about that 1979 Movie or even 1986 Aliens, will mostly associate the Franchise with the Xenomorph, and second to that Ripley/Miss Weaver they are the Iconic Elements most people remember (i am not just talking Alien Fanbase here).

The other Aspect that was ALIEN in terms of the First Movie was the Very Ship, its Pilot that the Dreaded Egg Cargo was Discovered on.

Prometheus had toned down the Aesthetic of the Derelict, we could see a connection via the Engineers Architecture and Technology but it appeared to be more Mechanical...   The Larger Difference was that a ALIEN Prequel (which a lot of people saw the movie as) simply DID-NOT have much Xenomorph like Aesthetic, the Monsters had a bit of the DNA but it was not enough for some, but it was fine for others.

There was a lot of Vague Clues and References, but for some they was just too ambiguous.  Not everyone could clearly see that this Place these Engineers were found (LV-223) that had the Aesthetic of the Space Jockey/Derelict to a degree.. for some Fans the Xenomorph like DNA in the Monsters (Hammerpede, Mutant, Fifield and the Trilobite/Deacon) was not quite enough, certainly as far as giving them a connection to HOW the Xenomorph came to be.

I lacked that Balance over Needing a little more Xeno DNA/Clues, it could have done with some Alieny Encounters, as the Hammerpede Attack, Fifield were simply not enough.

HOWEVER... you could see that ALIEN connection as far as the Aesthetic, maybe it was not Strong Enough for some but there was a Element that this was a ALIEN Movie.

If we take Alien Covenant.... it had further toned down the Aesthetic that we saw from ALIEN, we had a few Glimpses of it only as far as the Bombardment Scene (Engineer Ships) but the rest of the Architecture lacked that ALIEN look from the First Movie..

What Alien Covenant did have was more Alieny Monsters and clues to the Xenomorph Origins, by that Davids Workshop Scenes, and Dialect showed us in a less ambiguous way about what Davids Experiments were about, as opposed to the Vague Clues in Prometheus as far as the Engineers Experiments.

The Neomorph and Xenomorphs brought us very much Alien Monster Encounters that maybe some fans expected in the First Movie..

What i am saying is that Alien Covenant while it had the Alieny Monsters and less ambiguity to how they came to be, it lacked the Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic to the Engineers City that was expected, aside from the Engineers Ships... yet with LV-223 we got this Architectural Aesthetic that was similar to ALIEN

Prometheus had this Aesthetic but lacked the Alieny Monsters of Alien Covenant and so if they had more of a Balance, say Prometheus had the Neomorph Monsters/Screen Time..   And Less Ambiguous Clues to the Xenomorph connection, then this would have helped Prometheus (but the Characters etc would still have needed Improving).

If Alien Covenant had shown a bit more of a LV-223 Aesthetic to the City, then it would have had more of a ALIEN Feel...   Take Away Davids Experiments, the Neomorph and Xenomorph and Alien Covenant would not have that ALIEN Balance.

So what i am saying is that a ALIEN Prequel, that would contain NO Engineer Technology/Aesthetic until a Incoming Ship in the Final Act, and has NO Monsters that have any Xenomorph DNA...  would appear to be a Movie that would bear NO resemblance of a ALIEN movie to most fans.

But these can come in the 3rd Act... however i feel if the Movie which is a Alien Prequel would be about David creating his own Humanoids to Rule Over, who live in a Village that is very Middle Aged (Wooden) and so kind of his own Amish Village of Genetically Altered Humans who see David as God/Creator...  i just think a majority of Fans would NOT be so happy with this Plot...

Expectation would be mainly about HOW/WHEN does David Produce more Xenomorphs or Similar and when does another Human Ship or Engineers arrive were we would see more of a AVP like Action Plot (replace Predators with Engineers).

Because the Majority of such a Plot like this, that would not be about Xenomorphs, or carry any Aesthetic, would appear to NOT be a Alien Movie and a bit of a Distraction... so they need a Balance...

"It's all about time. No time before Nostromo accident."

I can now comment more on you point.... If we have the Prequels that will be a  A-Z  with A being Prometheus and Z being Alien.  We have this Approx 30 year Period from when the Prometheus set off on its Voyage to Discover our Origins to when the Nostromo Crew Discover the Horrors on the Derelict.

At Present we are in the Year 2105 and so nearly 45% through that Time-Line of Events...  Leaving us 17 years until the Derelict is Discovered, thats not a lot of time to cover in TWO movies what Events will Lead to WHEN/HOW/WHY the Derelict lands on LV-426.

Even less if we do consider that FIRST we have to have the Covenant and David arrive at Origae-6, which would be the Year 2112 which takes us a little over 2/3rds of that Time-Line.  And would leave us with about 10 years before we have the Nostromo Turn up at LV-426

Thats not a lot of time to cover TWO movies... and certainly if the Next One will be based around David and what World/Kingdom he would Build/Create...  a Movie that has a HIGH % about this Plot would not Engage as many ALIEN Fans as i think they would like,  they would have to introduce a % of ALIEN related Aesthetic/Elements which then by trying to have a Balance you could be left with NOT having enough Screen Time to do either Element Justice, which we can see had been a Problem with Alien Covenant.  But if they make it mainly about Davids World, then Set-Up the Next movie we would get a more ALIENY Sequel, then we have the case of would Fans NOT be interested and if Box Office of Davids World is NOT Good then would they risk another Sequel?

So i understand the idea you present, would allow a Movie about Davids World and Creation to not have to Force Itself to March Towards Alien, and fit things within a 10 Year Time Restraint..

Having Davids Journey go off on a different Tangent that Does-Not connect Directly to ALIEN...  while it would lift some Restraints to what kind of Story/World this could give us.

Alien Covenant has been set up as a ALIEN Prequel and so it would be expected that events would have to Literally Connect to ALIEN.    If say they took the route your propose and we have what ALIEN: Elysium which would be about Davids World.... then by Virtue of the ALIEN name the Fans would expect some Xenomorph Related stuff, which could be catered for by giving us Davids Xenomorph at some point and other Hybrids...  we could have another Human Ship arrive or/and Engineers and have this take place say in the year 2120-2130

But we would have to conclude IF this connects to ALIEN which in such a case it would NOT, and so we would need clues to suggest that Davids Xenomorphs Cant/Dont end up on the Derelict.

But then we are still going to have some Fans who thought that a ALIEN Prequel would eventually show or inform us HOW/WHEN those Eggs got onto the Derelict and so they would expect a ALIEN Prequel.

Which i guess would be best done if Weyland Yutani sends another Ship to LV-223 or Planet 4, where they can then introduce some Clues that would Indicate the Xenomorphs Origins to be Older than the Re-Creation that David had done on Planet 4.

And this to a degree is what i had indicated in a early post, but i was thinking that a Alien Covenants Sequel acts as a Bridge to Span Off to TWO Movies... one that would cover the Engineers/Creation, another that would give more clues to ALIEN.

But when i come to think about it... using Alien Covenant as the Bridge/Fork in the Road could work out better... and so indeed go off to ONE Path that is Davids World, that will eventually introduce some more Alieny Elements....  but then have another Movie where the Company go to LV-223 or Planet 4 that can then either show us clues that the Xenomorph was already around... and be a much more ALIENY movie.

If they go to Planet 4, they could encounter Davids Xenomorph, and when Engineers Return maybe we could get some Clues that they had created the First Bio-Mechanical Version or Encountered it in the past..

Or this Movie could Literally connect to ALIEN by Virtue of Engineers take Davids Xenomorph and Evolve it to the Bio-Mechanical Version and set up a Direct Chain of Events that LINK to Alien.

I actually think this could be the Direction that is BEST to take..

They would have to do the Parallel Movie First (one that goes to LV-223 or Planet 4) and does-not follow David and the Covenant.   If this movie introduces the Engineers in a way thats Interesting to Most Fans, and we are then informed that the other STORY about David would also introduce the Engineers, then it would maybe get Fans who would not be happy to see a Davids Movie to be on board, because they have got a more Alieny Prequel that is NOT about David or he creates the Xenomorph.

If this more Alieny/Aliens like Sequel to Alien Covenant does-not do well, then it would allow Disney to then look at the Franchise and THINK! so maybe RS was right... and then take the other Sequel to Alien Covenant (Davids World) and try something different.

I think such a IDEA would be the Best Route to take... i know its not the route RS may have wanted.. but lets be FRANK!  i dont think he wanted to go the Literal Prequel Route anyway... and at least this way, his Davids World Movie would no longer have to connect to ALIEN at all. And so he can explore more of what he wanted to do.

This could be a WIN/WIN.

If they took this route and BOTH movies Bombed, then Disney would be left with maybe ONE option and that would be a Blomkamp Alien 5 bring back the Gang! and if this Bombed... then i think it would be CURTAINS for the Franchise Theatrically.

Even IF we go for a Davids World First (i think Fans wont be interested in unless it had some Xenomorph Elements).

David could introduce his Humanoids the Star Children to incoming Humans from Earth, he could have some Dialect about the Engineers.  

Where he could state that what he is attempting and achieved is to better his Creator and our Would be Gods, he could go on about how our Creators the Engineers had created a In-superior being in Mankind, and how  Mankind had Surpassed their own Creators by Creating a More Superior being in their likeness which is HIM (David).  HE could then go on and say that he has taken the Engineers Secrets of Creation and Created a FAR more Superior Humanoid Species...

Then he could also say that the Engineers Greatest Creation was the Xenomorph, which they then tried to Banish, as they could not Control it... and then David could BOAST that he has YET AGAIN, bested our Creators by Reproducing his own Evolved Xenomorph.

This would indicate the Xenomorph on LV-426 is NOT one of Davids Creations... it would FIT with the Prometheus Themes, of the Pursuit of Perfection/Creation and Evolution.

He could then claim that he has his Wolf that is superior to the Engineers Version, he has his Lambs that are superior to the Engineers Version (Mankind) but he is NOT Finished, and that he has yet to reveal his MASTERPIECE.

Where he can then have a AMALGAMATION of his Humans MK2  and Xenomorph MK2 to make the Ultimate Hybrid.

A Hybrid that would maybe have some traits of the Above HR Giger work, could be his latest eventual Creation and ONE that could lead to the Hubris as they Rebel against David.

You could go Further by when the Engineers discover these beings that David had Created, his Masterpiece... maybe they could BOW down in Worship as they could see Davids HYBRID as the Reincarnation of the Engineers Masters and Source of their Bio-Mechanical Technology/Black Goo.

So we kind of come FULL CIRCLE.

BD

You mention the plot and yeah I think that is what you should look at first and the characters next. Sure I can connect to a non-human character too if they are well-written. Chewbacca is an example, or even the Naviis (name?) in Avatar or Maz Kanada in TFA. The thing is that they were sympathetic and  well-done. David was interesting but an asshole and it was all about him while Maz and Chewwie were well done characters in a larger story.

You can even have maybe some androids in the background that are sympathetic but they got to work so we can identify with them and they shall not be played by one actor. Alien to me though is not about the androids even though they can be made interesting.

“A Problem with say David having his own Colony of Engineered Superior Humans, and having little or NO Humans in the movie...  would be its hard to connect to such beings especially if they appear Less Human and are Superior and somewhat Super Human..”

Exactly because then they are more like something that we could see in X-men and not relatable in this franchise although I like X-men 1 and 2. Having them here would just be strange.

Humans made from test-tubes or made naturally, what ever. As long as they are well-written and we can support them it is fine by me.

“you could even have David become Disappointing and try to Destroy these Humanoids, and see their Peril at escaping the Plans David has for them!”

Yeah but don’t make it about David and also have some interesting monster sin it.  It is Alien not “David’s experiments” Yeah we need real humans also from someone that can write and execute them well on the screen otherwise we are fucked.

“... but this kind of PLOT could become a bit too much like AVATAR.”

Yeah but at the same time I would take that over another movie that is like Covenant. The thing is to make it your own and not make it like a copy which might be easier said than done at least if that is the story that we shall follow.

“Do they form a Bond/Covenant and work hand in hand, and then we see the Colonist start to Treat Walter as just a Machine, and so Walter (David) starts to feel... "here we go again"...  and then Unleashes Hell on those Humans?”

Or maybe David looses control over his monsters so they turn on him and the humans. WMD’s can also get out of control, that is why they are so dangerous and it is also stupid to make them. I would not like David to be featured that much, keep him in the background like a boss in a computer game. He could be in the end of the movie or in small portions but not what the movie is about.

“ TIME-RESTRAINTS”

Yeah but then cut down the time of David and have him in the background (background character). I do not want another movie like Covenant. If we would get another Covenant I would be like “fuck no”(notice there are no !!!’s, it is a matter of how I annoyed I would be and many !!!’s looks like screaming and I am usually calmer than that even though I would not like it).

More Engineers less David thanks, I would buy that. I think that the Engineers are interesting. Fassbender as a Walter like character would be fine, I kind of liked Walter although it was too much of an android movie.

“HOW would a Superior Race to Humans accept that these inferior Species have turned up and declare that they are the Creator of their GOD! and there is NOTHING important about their Creator, he is ONE of many who are made to Serve MANKIND.”

Yeah but make it tied to alien in a way because the movies are Alien prequels. This does not mean that you got to show the Xenos a lot. The shorts did not show the Xenos much and that worked.

“What happens when Engineers Turn up or do so in a Sequel?”

I would like to see that, it would be interesting but they should be as the Engineer in Prometheus, not how they were in AC. Raised By Woklves? He can make it if he wants to, I don’t care.

As far as bits in your other post I got to mention the Zombie Fifield. I was like, OK? How does this connect to the Xeno? He was a zombie, which could be fine in another movie but not there. Also they should have decided in P was an alien prequel or not, the way that they put it (is it or is it not?) was just dumb.

Yup the Engineer city what ever in AC was disappointing. They should have made it more biomechanical.

“however i feel if the Movie which is a Alien Prequel would be about David creating his own Humanoids to Rule Over, who live in a Village that is very Middle Aged (Wooden) and so kind of his own Amish Village of Genetically Altered Humans who see David as God/Creator...  i just think a majority of Fans would NOT be so happy with this Plot...”
That seems boring to me, I don’t want that.

“Even IF we go for a Davids World First (i think Fans wont be interested in unless it had some Xenomorph Elements)."

That would still be too much about David if he is not killed off early in the movie or something similar. Yeah some Alien elements should be expected, at least it will be so for me.

"David was interesting but an asshole"

Whats done is done, you can redeem yourself by improving on Characters, Dr Shaw could have been given a New ARC in a Prometheus 2... like imagine if she finds out the TRUTH is nothing like her Faith Teaches and Renders her Faith as False!  that could BREAK her Character and HOW would she act?

So with David they have to look at what went WRONG.. if we looked at Prometheus and The Crossing, then we could see there was a way they could have made his Character something we could sympathize with.  So with David its a case of making him a Character that Redeems himself, or has KIND intentions for his World, until Mankind come along and F it Up!

But a major Problem is many people just have wrote David off, they are Not Interested in him and may not be open to any Story Changes..

David also is a Scapegoat!

For those wanting to see Dr Shaw and get her Answers, or/and to see the Engineers..... well THEY CANT.. because David had KILLED THEM ALL.

For those looking forwards to the Xenomorph and its Origins... they was SHOCKED that a Android had Created it, which TOTALLY is unexpected for most Fans... again Davids FAULT!

I think the BIGGEST Problem... is that ALIEN is about ALIENS... and the Xenomorph is what most connect with the Franchise, the Prequels showed us WHO the Space Jockey are.....  But they was ALL 2nd Fiddle to DAVID... the movie was more about David...

Any sequel about David and NOT about Xenomorphs or Engineers will just NOT interest most people...  at the moment all this is just a Distraction from what Fans would expect/want a ALIEN Prequel series to be about.

I feel we are better of arriving at ORIGAE-6 in some After-math or that David is killed off in the First Act.

Not ideally what i would want... but most fans would want the NEXT movie to hurry up and get us connecting to ALIEN and so they would want to by-pass until the Part other Humans Arrive and the £"%£ hits the FAN and then the Engineers Turn up...

What i am saying is IF  we assume the Sequels until we get to ALIEN would have been TWO movies...  Both say 2-2.5 hours.  If the Plot is as i speculated, then i just feel that the 4-5 hours we have until we reach the Back Door to ALIEN... i feel the First HOUR would be something that Fans would not be interested in and feel is a Distraction..

So it would be best to like Discount the First 60-90 Min of the said Plot...   just as if we assume the Events from the End of Prometheus until the Covenant Ship detects Dr Shaws Signal...   could have made another 2 hour Movie!

But we just Bypassed that 2 hour CROSSING movie if you would... i feel maybe we need to do the same with Davids Kind of World...

BD:

Yeah they could have improved Shaw, if they would have written her a bit more like she was in The Crossing. To me it was difficult since I was so disappointed with her in Prometheus but yeah it could have worked.

I think that they can make David a more sympathetic character (more like in Prometheus) but I don’t want the movie to be about him even if they write him in a more sympathetic way. I am in it for the human journey but it could work.

Yeah David might be a symbol of blame for some when they are disappointed with other things but not to me. I am disappointed that they chose to focus on David when to me there are other things that are more interesting and also that he is the creator of the Xeno, at least for now. From a theme point of view it works but from a story point of view it is really a disappointment. You could have David like he was in AC and I would forgive that if the humans were well-written but they were not. There was no balance

Well I am more interested in the Xeno and the SJ compared to David, he is not that important compared to them at least that is how I look at it. My preferred way when it comes to what is important to the franchise. Some people are interested in it but I am not.

Honestly I am not interested in another movie about David, I am burned out about that. Sure he can be a part of it but not like he was in Covenant when he was the movie so to speak (OK not really but you understand). Some people are interested in the David part so there has got to be something for them also but he should be given a reduced role.

“I feel we are better of arriving at ORIGAE-6 in some After-math or that David is killed off in the First Act.”

If that is the alternative to have a two-hour movie about David then I take it. It kind of depends how they make the movie in general. The could write him better and still reduce his role compared to AC and Prometheus.

“the Part other Humans Arrive and the £"%£ hits the FAN and then the Engineers Turn up...”

That seems interesting to me. I they make some of the humans work as characters and if they make the Engineers make sense and the Xeno being a result of the Engineers and just be a part of it then I am in. Sure the monsters can look interesting but it has never been about them to me at least.

“But we just Bypassed that 2 hour CROSSING movie if you would... i feel maybe we need to do the same with Davids Kind of World...”

Yeah but if that is what is needed for me to enjoy the movie then sure make it like that. This is not to say that you can’t have philosophical questions in it (Alien had that) but it should be about the humans first and the androids as a part of that. They have got the priority wrong this far but if the Engineers show up at Davids world, David is killed sure. After that you have the humans and the Engineers on David’s world and his monsters that are there to F both groups up and still show us that David is just a middle-man in the creation of the Xeno then yeah it could work.

Star Childrens will never rebel against David, if he never says to them: Bring me the tea.

Ha Ha.... Nice Point Leto!

Maybe the more AI element that RS was on about is David attempts to create the Perfect Automated Tea Making Service.

@Thoughts_Dreams

I think for most, they would see no way that David could Redeem himself due to how he was in Alien Covenant.... and a World of Humanoids that he created would be hard for Fans to attach to, especially if they are Vastly Superior.

the only way your gonna get any Sympathy would be to show David as a Kind Creator/Leader to his Creations, then have the Humans Turn up and some of these are EVIL SOB'S as lets Face it while RS may think the most Horrific Dangerous thing about AI is when it becomes Sentient and Determines we are just Cockroaches on Earth then we are in TROUBLE...

We can look at Engineers as Evil... we can look at God from the Bible as Evil at times, as far as a bit harsh! but they have reasons for it...

But in reality Mankind is Neutral for the Most Part, but you can have some Wonderful Kind Humans... but then there is through History a LOT of very EVIL/WICKED and Cruel things that Mankind has done..

So YES we Humans are the Ultimate Evil....

Making Humans the Bad Guys could work... it could make Davids World a bit more like that in AVATAR though... and for it to work you would have to have some Sympathetic Humans to David and his Creations, who go against the Wickedness of some of the Human Antagonist....  but where we have a FEW new Human Characters as the main Protagonist.

But its a case of WHO could fit such a role?  Daniels?..  Maybe they KILLED Dr Shaw off to early ;)

"How does this even make sense? They stopped using the black goop for at least 2000 years but they seem to be able to do space travel without." 

David's notes written in the King's English were a major contributor to this part of the story making sense to me ignorantGuy."

I apologize ignorantGuy.  My above response was disrespectful and I regret writing it.  Your comments are appreciated, especially by me, and I do not sign on here to disrespect anyone.

"Well I am more interested in the Xeno and the SJ compared to David, he is not that important compared to them at least that is how I look at it. My preferred way when it comes to what is important to the franchise. Some people are interested in it but I am not."

I've seen your comment above echoed in another topic, seen below, Thoughts_Dreams and it really has made me laugh.  

I am not mocking you, even in the slightest, when I write that...I just believe that if the flute lessons and the kiss/kill scenes had been pulled then we might have had an entirely different response to Alien: Covenant. 

"Like I have said before we need human characters to sympathize with and that work or else it will fail, again. Making David the creator of the Xenos is trash so they got to get rid of that.

What ever they might choose I want it to focus on the human journey with well-made human characters. I am really tired of the android thing but then if there is anyone that finds that interesting then good for them."

After watching Alien: Covenant's deleted scenes again, I just can't help but wonder if these two scenes affected the overall film for many.  

I can see where many could assess this aspect and say:

"ok androids, leave the kissing and flute playing to the humans...and why are you both in the same room barking sonnets and not on either side of the planet turning over rocks looking for hammerpedes or running into the opening of a cave looking for xenomorphs...!?"

This may oversimplify concerns voiced over the direction of Alien: Covenant but I'm skimming over the lack of Engineers info and other complaints to ask about the overall film review due to the inclusion of the two scenes above.

Time constraints were cited in editing, so if these two scenes were replaced with Daniels and Branson in their hotel room and the Covenant crew stopping to look at the juggernauts in the cavernous recess, then the film might have been received quite differently.

With these changes taken into account, I believe we might have had an entirely different response to the film.  

Does anyone agree?  Flute or no flute?

The questions above are not meant to disrespect Pietro Scalia but rather to document how much others respectfully, greatly disagree with Alien: Covenant's editing in regards to these two scenes.  

In the flute scene, I certainly got the Mermaid's Purse reference (and believe David was carrying the 2 facehugger embryos already here thus acting as a Mermaid's Purse), the Carl Sandburg Fog adaptation of "little cat feet" when David walks up on Walter, and why David was trying so hard to get Walter to create a tune.  

David was trying to resurrect something Walter's designers had worked very hard to suppress, his ability to create.  To me, a lot people understand these points but just don't care after the argued over-focus on androids in Alien: Covenant.

Fog

BY CARL SANDBURG

The fog comes
on little cat feet.

It sits looking
over harbor and city
on silent haunches
and then moves on.

"ok androids, leave the kissing and flute playing to the humans..."

I think we need to look at John Logan for this... bare in mind his draft had David and Dr Shaw having Sexual Relations... until they arrive at Paradise and then David just Breaks her Neck!

So a lot of this Personality is something Logan added that i feel is Flawed/Wrong.

The "You Blow and I will do the Fingering" is taken by some as a Innuendo it may be intended as that... 

I think that Dialog should not have been needed...

The rest of the FLUTE scene was to show that while Walter Cant Create a Tune on his own... when Taught he Finally could which points to KNOWLEDGE and Knowledge is a Powerful Tool.  Which carries on with David trying to show that Walter can Exceed beyond the Limitations Expected of him.

Ignoring the "You Blow and I will do the Fingering" Dialog.

The KISS could be seen as a JUDAS Kiss before David Stabs Walter in the Back.... Metaphorically Speaking

@BigDave, you can read a very interesting article in This link:

https://dailygalaxy.com/2019/07/alien-evolution-theory-predicts-that-extraterrestrials-will-resemble-homo-sapiens-holiday-feature/

'Prometheus' is One of the most important films to scientists, because it gives to Them a vision about a possibility of how life was created on earth. Yes, we could have been created by aliens, according to some scientists. Even earth, like we know it, could have been created by An Alien Specie. Here's a small text from the article:

"The images above are from Ridley Scott’s movie Prometheus stunning opening  when the Engineer, the blue muscle-bound alien creature standing by the waterfall has opted to drink the black goo to break down his own structure and spread life on Earth through his own DNA. What we see is the beginning in the creation of Earth. The giant ship has landed on Earth to drop off the Engineer so that he can terraform the planet and make it sustainable for life."

@BigDave, i'm a problem solver and i have the solution to immortality:

Consciousness Transferring procedure 

a)to an android

b) to a clone

There's a movie  from this year, where we can watch This ideas brought back to life: 

'Replicas'

Here's the trailers,

https://youtu.be/JAHKQPBKSZ8

https://youtu.be/MpJEOpsVWtA

 Ps: Blade Runner is about creation of life from the scratch, but Replicants, model Nexus 6, are not perfect. For instance, they are not able/aloud to reproduce. What Tyrell does is to destroy Them, continuing to pursue perfection, achieved When he makes Rachel, a new Replicant, able to reproduce.

Creator-creates life-new life able to reproduce, therefore, it also creates life.

Full circle of creation

In 'alien awakening', i need to watch David to close his circle of creation.

That's it. It's my ONLY demand to Disney :)

"Consciousness Transferring procedure "

Certainly this is something that would take us closer to IMMORTALITY as seen in the Movie...  The 6th Day

If we can Create Clones and then Back Up our Memories/Emotions and Experiences (SOUL) then we could upload the Latest Back-up to a Clone should we DIE... in effect Cheating Death and thus Pseudo Immortality.

The Same Applies if we can UPLOAD our Soul into a AI Cloud that can then be Downloaded into a Synthetic. This was the REAL Agenda of Weyland in my Prometheus 2, and REAL reason for Creating David, it was Project Rook.... Create a Perfect Immortal Vessel (CHECK) then Find a way to Upload a Human SOUL into a AI to Transfer into a Synthetic (FAIL).

The Method/Program to achieve this was FLAWED the AI could not HANDLE the Complex Human Emotions and became Unstable/Mad!

So Weyland had to Eventually Turn to Dr Shaw and Holloways GODS... thinking that IF these TWO are correct and they can FIND our MAKERS then they could GRANT our Mr Weyland his Immortality.

The Movie Transcendence we see Dr. Will Caster manage to Transcend his SOUL into a AI... and in essence he gains a AFTER-LIFE and IMMORTALITY of Sorts.

So its kind of Ironic that David could actually have a SOUL and also is IMMORTAL.

The Replicant Comment is Interesting, because when Creating a Superior AI/Creation that becomes Sentient and Rebels... IF these AI Creations can Procreate then your in TROUBLE.

This is similar to the Movie 2307: Winter's Dream

Mankind Creates a Artificial Being that is Superior, and then some of these gain the ability to Procreate and so Mankind then decides to DESTROY their NOW Sentient Creation.

And so the same HUBRIS could come too David with his Creation that he will likely Create Übermensch Humanoids (Enhanced)