Are the Eggs on LV-426 Still There?

chli
MemberChestbursterApril 05, 2019As we all know, at the end of Aliens the atmosphere processor and Hadley’s Hope are blown up. But what about the site where the juggernaut and the space jockey are? And what about the eggs?
The colonists at Hadley’s Hope have not encountered any problems until Newt’s parents get the coordinates (from Burke) to investigate a site. This site is far away from the colony. It takes the family some time to get there with their vehicle.
The climate on LV-426 is terrible. It’s cold (“well below zero”). There are poisonous fumes and no oxygen. The inside of the juggernaut is open to the climate outside. However, the eggs are situated far below ground level (“a cave or something”). It’s warm (“like the goddam tropics”). And the eggs are protected by “a layer of mist”.
The atmosphere processor is run by something “like a nuclear reactor”. When it explodes it obliterates Hadley’s Hope. But what about the alien site (which is far away and the eggs are well protected)?
What are your thoughts? Are the eggs still there? Still waiting . . .
BigDave, let's be honest and admit this idea that the eggs are stored in a cave or silo underneath the derelict is only our wishful thinking.
I edited the frame with the Kane's descent into the hold, it can be seen it has the shape of the derelict, and, while I agree the height of the hold is approximately the same with that of the derelict, that should be ok, since the pilot chamber has to be in the dome situated on top, the rest of the ship is cargo hold and corridors. If you remember, after entering through the vaginal openings, Kane & Co. went up a wall and even if the wall was not that high, the suggestion was they reached the dome, where the SJ was. Then Kane descended through a hole in the floor, through the deck from the dome/pilot chamber precisely, and one deck only until the hold. He did not pass through any other deck or the hull of the vessel, so the eggs were right below the pilot chamber, right below the dome. Also the structure was the same type for the hold and corridors. If we can still argue if the eggs were produced or not by the Juggernaut itself, for me there is no doubt the eggs were INSIDE the derelict, in the cargo hold. Ridley Scott, Giger and the rest of the production team for Alien said that due to budgetary constraints they gave up the pyramid idea and placed the eggs in the cargo hold of the ship. And it is good it ended like that, becuse until the last moment Giler wanted to have the eggs in the red cylinder silo.
There are, of course, some discrepancies regarding the proportions of the hold and derelict itself, how much they climbed from the entrance to the pilot chamber, but the fact the hold and the ship have about the same size is good enough. Nobody thought back in 1979 that someone would do such a thorough investigation.
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I think first of all the question is if we have to still see Alien 3 and 4 as cannon. If I remember correctly RS stated once, that he doesn't like the movies. Blomkamps movie would have taken place after Aliens and therefore creating a "new timeline" where Alien 3 and 4 are cannon no more.
If they are not to be seen as cannon, then it is of no concern what happened there in regards to OPs' question. I think the derelict was indeed far away enough so it could survive the blast.
If they are to be seen as cannon, then there can be one simple possibility how it would come about, that in Alien 4 they're trying to get the Alien via Riplay and not via LV-426:
maybe Weyland-Yutani DID try to get their hands on the eggs on LV-426. Maybe even several times. But maybe every time the same destiny befall them as Hadleys Hope, as the Crew of the Nostromo (besides Riplay), the Marines in Aliens, the crew of the Auriga etc.: they got infested and killed every single time. In Alien 4 they're talking about a war that happened on earth in 1-2 scenes. At the end of Alien 4 there is a scene (don't know if it was in the theatrical version or directors cut) where Ripley and Call are talking about what will happen next as they are staring over the RUINS of I think it was Paris. So Weyland-Yutani surely had done the best they could to keep their knowledge about the Aliens as best a secret as they could. If I imagine that somewhere between Alien 3 and Alien 4 there was a (nuclear) war on earth it could simply be that the very few people at WY who knew about the Aliens were ALL killed and at the time of Alien 4 the Earthgov or whatever simply hadn't found any secret files of WY (if there are any).
But who knows... after the David story-arc I think that the robots secretly already have taken over WY (or earth) "I, Robot"-style, hence the "Crew expendable" command. The "real" Bishop at the end of Alien 3 seems to be in command of the rescure-mission and I bet he's actually a robot. His blood is red but that doesn't mean anything. The way his ear is hanging down after he got hit looks suspicious...
"let's be honest and admit this idea that the eggs are stored in a cave or silo underneath the derelict is only our wishful thinking"
Certainly i think its going to be one of those things we just would have to accept and any inconsistencies a Oversight, as i had stated in the past, the same would likely apply to the Space Jockey, we would have to accept the size difference is purely a Oversight.
A lot of work went into Prometheus as it had some vague clues to the Derelict (showing the Juggernaught) so that IF they ever showed us the Derelict Event, i dont think they would have shown that LV-426 had a Egg Silo under ground. I think with the Prequels as far as Alien Covenants sequel... i think the plan if they got to FINISH the prequels and shown HOW/WHEN those Eggs got on LV-426.. i again dont think they would have revealed that the Egg Cargo was held in a Underground Cargo Hold..
We would have been shown and have to ACCEPT that the Cargo was part of the Ship... despite the Visual Flaws surrounding that regarding Scale..
I did this image a few years ago, showing HOW it could fit under the Derelict due to shape, which would fit as you pointed out the angles the Egg Chamber seems to Snake around the Corner... and this idea and image i did years ago was how i felt it could fit... ONLY flaw being the Actual Width/Depth and Height would be IMPOSSIBLE (well a bit too small) but this was a Oversight and they could use Dr Who Tardis Technology to explain that away lol
I think you make Good Points, and i have always been one who has accepted the Cargo is on the Ship, despite some Size Differences.
Another point is indeed they Re-Used part of the SET of the Pilot Chamber for the Egg Chamber Scene... so both would have the Same Height and Depth, but the Problem comes from the Zoomed out Extended Shot of Kanes Decent, where the Chamber is Extended out via a MATT Painting, which makes the Chamber much Larger.
But these are similar Oversights to how when the Crew First Enter the Pilot Chamber they used Child Actors and so this increased the Scale of the SET by say 50% so our Space Jockey would have appeared about 21ft or so from that shot, and then back to the Prop Size of 13-15ft for the Close Ups.
These are just Visual Oversights, that we can all with Computers etc Study and Nit Pick at... but back when the Movie was made, it was NEVER expected that we would be looking at and Dissecting those Scenes in Detail... and the Intended Purpose was to show the Cargo Hold was indeed on the Ship.
A lot had been done in terms of the PLOT for the Derelict, that IF they changed it to a Underground Cave/Silo would ALTER the way we look/think about that Scene and LV-426 where as ACCEPTING its part of the Ship makes for a more simple Plot/Explanation.
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Redone the Schematic a bit better.
This (Figure B) is just a Approximate, as far as Potentially the Cargo Hold Shape if we assume its to scale to FIT inside, compared to area of the Pilot Chamber which would OVERLAP on top of the Cargo Hold, but the Cargo Hold is NOT a Circle, so its likely wrapped around as in the Image i did, where we could then assume the Pilot Chair Area and Lower into the Ground as shown in Prometheus.
This (Figure A) image i am trying to roughly estimate where the Pilot Chamber and Egg Cargo would Lie... in terms of the Derelict.. In ALIEN we never get to follow every second of the Crews Journey, so there could be the Potential of the Pilot Chamber Floor being a certain height off the ground.
The Egg and Pilot Chamber are NOT lined up exactly due to Angels.... but the Scale i have roughly as best as i can matched... we have to bear in mind these Shots DO-NOT show the FULL Rooms...
I have layed them above each other where there is a Margin of Error as far as More of a Gap Between Floors (off Camera) but i have roughly placed them and Marked in RED a potential Level Boundary... i then scaled this Marker to a SHOT of the Derelict and noticed it lined up a bit like i have indicated.
IF i assume this is a Good Estimate, then it makes the Case of the Cargo Hold being Taller than the Pilot Chamber and so makes it more Believable that the Cargo Hold may indeed FIT... well the Error of Scale is Lessened.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
@jdvyne
I think we have to consider Alien 3 and Alien R as Canon, and as far as i know Ridley Scott has no problem with Alien 3, i dont think he was a massive fan of Alien Resurrection though ;)
We have to ASK why they went after Ripley in Alien 3, it could be seen as the less Risky more Guaranteed Avenue to the Specimen and Especially as it was a Queen.
After Ripley had Sacrificed herself, they may have gone to LV-426 next to see if they can Salvage any Eggs... but as far as what they would Discover or IF there are any to Salvage is open for Debate..
IF they do manage to obtain something then sure, by the time we get to Alien Resurrection 200 years latter, the Company must have NO source of Xenomorph and Failed to Obtain or Keep any Specimens.
Regarding Earth.... yes what a sorry state it appeared. well Paris at least, some speculate the World was NUKED years prior in the Past to Stop the Xenomorphs.... maybe!
But then we have the Auton's Plot, so we could see again Synthetic have gone around and Created their own Creations the Auton's and the Earth has had a Conflict between Mankind and Various AI where we could speculate that Mankind, Autons and Synthetics are Fighting for the Rights to Rule the Earth.
Obtaining a Xenomorph could be the ideal Game Changing Weapon in such a Conflict.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
If the engineers created the eggs through experiments with the black goo and humans/engineers (the eggs on LV-426 are in the cargo hold of the Derelict and not in a cave where a queen has laid them), then there might be more eggs on LV-223. There are, perhaps, 4 other pyramid mounds on LV-223 in addition to the one they explore in Prometheus. What’s in them?
Another question is the hole which Kane enters which, at least at the top, seems burnt as of acid. Has something burnt itself down or up?
@ daliens,
For the past 40 years, my theories on the mythology behind the Alien movies have never been set in stone, it has constantly evolved with every new piece of information and every morsel of evidence. Your evidence, together with BigDaves post has made me reassess elements of my theory, which will, in time evolve my own theories further. Thank you.
@ jdvyne,
Regardless of whether he likes the movies or not, Ridley Scott declaring any of the movies that followed Alien as non-canon would be proof of his arrogance, and highly disrespectful to the cast and crew that worked on those movies.
We have the same issue with terminator currently. The upcoming movie Dark Fate disregards all the sequels that followed Terminator 2 but looks set to repeat the very same narrative beats those movies have already tread. While some fans are heralding James Camerons (in a fashion) return to the franchise, it remains to be seen (as is currently the view of Ridley Scott with the Alien fandom) if his return will still be as heralded after Dark Fates release.
Remember Scott was part of the team that brought us Alien; he did not write the script or design the creature- the Alien franchise is not owned by Scott, and never was.
As for canonicity, for better or worse Alien - Alien: Resurrection, Prometheus, and Alien: Covenant is the only true canon, regardless of any other assertions. Take Star Wars, for example, the new comics and novels are considered canon, that is until a successful movie is released that retcons whatever were depicted in the comics/novels. There are those that pick and choose their own personal canon, but doing so ignores the hard work of the cast and crew of those that worked on the movies one chooses to omit, and muddies discussion, debate, and speculation with those of us that follow the canon fo the movies as-is.
Another canonicity related question is which version of a movie showed be included as canon. Typically theatrical releases are edited according to strict guidelines from the studio and censor boards, whereas the directors cut, special edition, extended cut, etc. are usually the vision of the movie the director and their production team envisioned for the movie and the vision of the movie that acters for the fans. As such IMO the latter versions of the movies (not the theatrical cuts) are the canon versions.
"Another question is the hole which Kane enters which, at least at the top, seems burnt as of acid. Has something burnt itself down or up?"
After seeing Prometheus we know that the pilots of Juggernaut were in that chair only during landing and take off, eventually during fighting/bombing their enemies, rest of the time was spent in cryosleep.
We also saw in Prometheus that after bursting out from the Enginner's body, the Deacon went out. In Alien the chestburster went into hiding, it did not make any hole in the floor. The only hole in the floor was made when Ash tried to surgically remove the facehugger from Kane.
Ridley Scott said that the pilot was infected by his cargo and we saw in Alien that only one sector of the cargo hold was still covered in a layer of blue mist, rest of the eggs were not, and there were many eggs in that hold. I will deduct that the blue mist layer was not only to keep the pilot safe during the trip, but to preserve the eggs as well, a sort of incubator. Consequently I believe that the only eggs still alive when Nostromo landed on LV426 were those covered by the blue mist.
So... My only logical conclusion from the above facts is that something went wrong in the hold during the flight, maybe it was the blue mist generator malfunctioning, the pilot, awaken from cryosleep by some alarm system, went below deck and was attacked by a facehugger, chased like Lope from Covenant, or even with the facehugger attached to his face. He returned to the command deck and while being impregnated he managed to remove the facehugger hurting it in the fight (remember the Lope incident, must have been there for a reason). The facehugger then bled to death on the floor, its lifetime mission accomplished, its acid blood made the hole through which Kane descended later into the hold.
The pilot, realizing that everything is lost, and being in the vicinity of LV426, braced up for landing, all suited up, and did the emergency landing. He then activated the warning beacon and at the same time the chestburster made the hole through the chest and suit and went into hiding.
The end.
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I think while the Idea/Intention was that the Egg Cargo Hold is part of the SHIP. And while i dont think this would ever change, until we see the Derelict Loaded with Eggs so we know HOW they got onto the Ship, then this is always going to be a subject of debate.
IF we go the route that the Eggs are on the Ship, then it would leave it open for other Eggs to be located in other places, UNLESS we assume that there was ONLY one Ship that EVER had that Cargo!
IF we look at the Eggs being something the Engineers had Experimented on, then we have to ASK where did they come from and so that means its likely there are more out there. IF we look at the Eggs as being Created from Experiments then we have to ask WAS that Cache of all those Eggs EVERY one they had created?
I think looking at the CARGO Hold being a Underground Storage Facility would kind of Reduce the Chances of their being more, but we could ask did those Engineers Put all their Eggs in ONE Basket?
Could there had been more Egg Storage Facilities on LV-426 if we go this route? DID those Eggs in that case come from someplace else and taken to the Storage Facility? So again there could be other avenues of the Eggs.
These are all based on IGNORING what Alien Covenant had shown!
If we factor in Alien Covenant, this raises a Problem, because to ASSUME their is a Underground Storage Facility on LV-426 then it must mean that David takes his Experiments/Eggs to that Facility meaning this is the ONLY location for them... but then the same could be said if we go this route and the Cargo Hold is on the Derelict.
HOWEVER... Alien Covenant does show us that there are Eggs on Planet 4 although these ones likely WONT yield any Queen. And if the Prequels had completed then David could have had more Eggs on the Covenant, and/or Origae-6 too....
Certainly at very least there are those on Planet 4 and the Thousands on LV-426, The David Created the Xenomorph route could LIMIT the number of places where Eggs can be obtained.
Before this PLOT change, we could speculate if those Eggs had got to LV-426 from LV-223 and so indeed it was likely that those or some of those Outposts on LV-223 had Eggs at one point... The One Fresco shows a Egg but this was only on screen for a split second and not as a Full Image.
Regarding those other Outposts..... on LV-223, i would suspect each outpost either had... a Different Variant of the Bio-Weapon, or each outpost as dedicated to a different World/Race the Engineers had created (Fire and Stone indicated this) and so each Outpost's Bio-Weapon would be intended for different Targets.
Regarding the Acid Hole.... it looked more like something had Burnt from the Pilot Chamber down to the Egg Hold.
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"The facehugger then bled to death on the floor, its lifetime mission accomplished, its acid blood made the hole through which Kane descended later into the hold."
That certainly is plausible... something we discussed before on this site, and is the easiest way to pass off what caused that Hole! You could even speculated that when a Xenomorph or Face Hugger has died, then its Body over Time will Dissolve and cause the HOLE.
Ridley Scott had gave in detail about the Space Jockey event.... but this was prior to the PLOT for Alien Covenant.
His comments paint a certain picture, but also could hint that the Derelict's Cargo was a ONE of a kind!
He had claimed the Derelict Event happened within a Few Hundred years of the Outbreak that had KILLED off most of those Engineers on LV-223. He further said that something in the Cargo Hold had EVOLVED and infected the Pilot. Who then knowing he was Infected had laid a Course to the Barren World of LV-426 to Quarantine the Ship/Cargo and set off the Beacon to WARN his brothers that the Cargo/Mission had become Compromised.
Its open to Interpretation... but to me this suggests at least that its likely the Derelict Event happened a FEW HUNDRED years after the Outbreak on LV-223. I would Speculate that maybe the Space Jockey had gone into Cryo-Sleep (but Derelict lacked Cryo-Pods but they could have been located elsewhere on the ship). The Pilot as infected, and maybe he never knew he was infected.
A Few Hundred Years passed, he came out of Cryo-Sleep went to resume his Mission, then he noticed he must have been infected.... or something had infected him Unbeknownst as he went into Cry-Sleep. Or he could have investigate the Cargo Hold prior and was infected.
Which ever route, something maybe infected him that he had NO knowledge would have, it depends what RS meant by the EVOLVED comment, which could mean what ever infected the Space Jockey was NOT in the Cargo Hold the 200 years prior.
The Juggernaught in Prometheus had 3 of its Crew Dead via a Chest Buster like Event... while we dont see any detail, and we could speculated something could have BURNT into the Cryo-Pods... the Prop Engineers inside were CHEST BUSTED.
So we could speculate was it the same thing that had infected those Engineers too?
For me however... i would always be drawn to the Eggs being placed on the Ship/Cargo Hold with Intention, and so NO Organism ends up Laying or Creating those Eggs while the Surviving Engineers went to SLEEP.
But back then in 2012, i had wondered how this connects to ALIEN and pondered if the Hammerpedes were the Source of those Eggs? Certainly the Chest Busted Engineers in Cryo-sleep in Prometheus.
Alien Covenant however could also allow us to ponder if something similar to the Spores had grown on LV-223 at least in some places after the Outbreak? or was part of the Outbreak.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
@ daliens,
There is one error in your interpretation of how the Space Jockeys fate unfolded...
The only hole in the floor was made when Ash tried to surgically remove the facehugger from Kane.
...the Face hugger was shown twice to have acid in its biology; in the above scene that you mentioned, and when it melted through Kane's visor. In this second scene, the Facehugger was either injured by Kane and its blood splashed ob Kanes visor, or as seen in Alien 3 the Facehugger has the ability to spit acid. Something I used a few years back in the Prometheus Absolution graphic novel I produced.
However, in reply to your postulation about the Space Jockeys fate, and somewhat undoing the work I did in the graphic novel I just linked, the fact remains that the Space Jockey is not an Engineer. Not only do the proportions of the Space Jockey and Engineer not match, but the SOS/warning beacon was also not in Indo-European.
If we are to accept that the eggs are indeed stored within a lower compartment of the vessel as you and BigDave have debated, then we can assume that after falling foul to it's own cargo, probably in a similar way to as depicted in the graphic novel I linked, the Space Jockey landed their vessel and broadcast their beacon.
Evidence also clearly shows that despite Davids assertions that he created the Xenomorph, the reality is that he did not. The Deacon is a proto-form of the Xenomorph, and the Xenomorph lifecycle that David "created" is shown in the urn room, not only on the relief showing a xenomorph in a crucifixion pose (with Facehuggers in the lower corners), but the Xenomorph egg is, as BigDave, also shown on the "paintings" on the urn room ceiling. IMO, Davids statement comes from his arrogance and descent into madness, as both Advent and the Covenant novelization also relate that David merely continued the work the Engineers had renounced - the Xenomorph is not his wolf, it is his realization of the wolf the Engineers chose to abandon.
What the Xenomorph is should be debated and explored in another thread, but where it comes from lies between the Engineers and the Space Jockeys. I still contend, whether or not the Space Jockey is a separate species or a member of the Xenomorph race, that its existence predates the Engineers and that the Engineers are merely primitive human slaves used by the Space Jockeys to continue their work of spreading the Xenomorph. The Engineers continued the Space Jockeys work by weaponizing the eggs by reducing them to their most basic form - the black goo. The Engineers established a base on LV-223 to be able to quickly travel to and from LV-426, grabbing the eggs and weaponizing them.
Thank for the link to the graphic novel, Gavin, beautiful work!
I agree with you that David did not create the xenomorph, at least he is not responsible for the eggs from LV426.
Regarding the Space Jockey's fate, I have some issues with the theory that the hole in the floor was created from the hold to the pilot chamber:
- the ship safety systems when carrying such dangerous cargo would not allow the facehuggers to walk freely through the vessel. For any failure of said safety systems the pilot would be warned and the back up systems activated. If we assume the pilot was ambushed while relaxing in his chair by a rogue facehugger, it means that ship was totally inadequate for the carriage of such cargo and the Engineers were bloody idiots that deserved their fate (so agree with David).
- I never perceived the facehuggers as being intelligent, they seem to act instinctively and usually leave the safety of the egg when they sense some host nearby, they have to be like that, for the highest rate of success of the xenomorph reproduction, otherwise facehuggers would roam randomly and die prematurely without accomplishing their mission. We've seen rogue facehuggers but only after an egg opened to a host, we could presume that the presence of a host can activate more facehuggers in a certain cache of eggs. To believe that a single facehugger voluntarily left the egg and made a hole in the ceiling of the hold, exactly where the pilot stood, would imply they possess the capacity to make an elaborate plan for their actions.
- a facehugger would not make such a big hole through the deck by spitting on the ceiling, he would not need so much space to crawl into the pilot chamber and when I try to mentally picture such an action, a facehugger spitting randomly at the walls and ceiling, I find it rather amusing. Why would he do that? On the other hand, if we imagine an injured facehugger in a pool of acid blood on deck, the hole it would make would be considerably bigger, of course with the risk to penetrate the outer hull of the ship below, but since the ship crash landed, it leaves room for that damage to have occured shortly before the impact with the ground.
- the facehugger indeed melted through Kane's visor, but Kane was not harmed by acid at all, so probably that saliva was not as destructive as its blood and it all happened in a controlled manner, only the visor was damaged. If its saliva was as corrosive as its blood, it would have probably been lethal for the host and it would have defeated the purpose. So, could that saliva make a hole through a deck?
- in Alien3 there is some liquid spilling from the egg, it could have been that liquid responsible for the melting of styrofoam or plastic? Or it comes from the facehugger that cracks the glass from Newt's cryopod? I don't remember seeing a facehugger spitting acid,. it is the juvenile alien hidden in the duct that spits acid on Murphy, eventually leading to his death, but it does it in self defense, like a cat. We could speculate that both xenomorph and facehugger saliva have same corrosive effects, but I pointed out above that facehugger saliva should have milder effects just because the facehugger has to attach itself to the face of a living host, without killing it, while the xenomorph is a fully developed weapon, everything that it is made of has the sole purpose to kill, including saliva.
I also believe that the scene from Alien Covenant, when Lope was attacked by the rogue facehugger was there to explain what could have happened to the pilot of derelict. The blood of the injured facehugger melted the stone floor.
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Unless the Space Jockeys fate is shown in a future installment of the franchise, which might never happen, we could each argue our own theories until we are blue in the face. I could point out that the Facehuggers saliva would need to be variable, using weaker doses to subdue and access protected hosts (like Kane) with stronger doses to defend itself from possible predators.
There are also those that believe the hole in the platform was made by the Alien that birthed from the Space Jockey, and that Alien matured into a Queen and laid all of the eggs. Since Alien: Covenant there are some that now believe David becomes the Space Jockey and the Covenants colonists become the eggs. And chances are those that believe either of these or any other theory could debate with evidence as to why they believe their theory over and above any other.
This is speculation. There are some communities were members argue needlessly as to who is right and who is wrong, without realizing that everyone and no-one are both and neither. What I have always loved about our community, and why I have remained here for nearly eight years is that the Scified community understand this, and for the most part we can not only debate civilly but grow and adapt our theories over time from the assertions of others.
But, back to the topic in hand.
With Scott's prequels continuing to divide the fanbase, and because they seem to be, from Scott's comments, moving further away from the mythology of the Alien and toward chronicling David as a synthetic Lucifer, I still believe that Neill Blomkamp should make the next Alien movie, but that he should remove Ripley, Hicks, and Newt, and should focus the narrative toward Weyland-Yutani finally acquiring their prize only for the eggs, the subsequent birth Aliens being corrupted.
You're right, Gavin.
I'm sorry I got over excited about my theories, they are indeed only speculations.
Unfortunately, with Alien Day less than a week away, I don't have any feeling that we'll get any news from Fox, not a teaser, not a press conference announced, zippo!
That's very frustrating.
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Regarding the space jockey and his fate, it seems likely (although the size isn’t right) that it’s supposed to be an engineer because of the likeness with the engineer in Prometheus. This engineer also raps himself up in the pilot chair of the juggernaut by the pyramid mound.
It seems probable that the space jockey left the pilot chair and went down into the cargo hold for some reason, got face hugged and when he woke up went up into the pilot chair again. Once there, the chestburster starts to make its way out and the pilot sets the warning beacon.
However, underneath the space jockey there must be a hollow space for the whole cockpit to be lowered down into. Also, the iris door must have room for the shutters to retract into. It seems that the hole should be further out, doesn’t it?
There are some differences between the two Juggernauts, besides the cryopods, there is the system to release the bombs, unnecessary for the derelict, so one might be the bomber type, the other one, the military cargo carrier type, like these two:
The shape of the hold allows space for the cockpit to be lowered down, like in this schematic done by BigDave:
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Here are the three schools of thought regards the Space Jockey, although for each there are variations...
#1 - The Space Jockey is an ancient alien that while transporting the eggs fell victim to its own Cargo, landed on LV-426 and initiated beacon before birthing the Chestburster.
#2 - The Space Jockey is an Engineer whose fate is shared with the Space Jockey of #1.
#3 - The Space Jockey is David, who despite leaving Planet 4 aboard the USCSS Covenant somehow (LV-223 maybe) morphs the 2000+ colonists of the Covenant into eggs (the black goo maybe) planting them aboard a Juggernaut. Then, despite being Synthetic falls victim to one of the eggs, forcing David to land on LV-426, whereby he then births a Chestburster.
Fans of Covenant seem to believe that #3 is the most likely direction the next Alien movie will take. I think it goes without saying that this would divide/fracture the fandom even further, and could damage the franchise irrecoverably.
Prometheus suggested although Covenant seemed to undo this, the possibility of #2. However, the retconning of the Aliens and the Space Jockeys origins created and widened the division in the fandom. Although not as damaging as #3, if #2 was chosen a lot of the fandom would lose faith in the future of the franchise.
While some may call it wishful thinking #1 is the direction that would appease most of the fandom and go a long way to repairing the division and loss of faith among the fandom the prequels have generated.
However, the issue with having The Space Jockey retain its alien nature is that this would mean that the Engineers are not the advanced alien race many assume them to be. Yet, I believe this can be answered from evidence in the prequels that the Engineers are not an advanced alien race but merely primitive human slaves taken from Earth and given Paradise in return for continuing the Space Jockey races work.
Of course, this begs the question of why would beg the question as to why the Space Jockeys were transporting the eggs, and why they would to use said eggs against other lifeforms. Are the Space Jockeys part of the Xenomorph race, and ensuring their races continued existence or did they create the Alien as an elaborate form of terraformation".
As for #3, besides how David would fit in the huge space suit and helmet, how would he attract a facehugger? At least so far, David's eggs have only triggered (opened) when humans (living, biological organisms) have come near them (Oram, Cole). They have ignored David.
@chli Well we know that someone loses his right over his own DNA if he fails to pay for his Walter unit and it is highly likely that David swapped bodies with Walter. So if Walter is partly organic the hugging is doable.