The Crossing

I saw no evidence his body could function detached from the head. I could imagine his head on the floor saying "To the right of the musical squishy buttons is a switch that powers up the engine. Flick it to the right." Then she flicks it to the right quickly. Then he says "But first turn the dial next to it hard left." Oops.

@DK

Yeah thats a Good Point with David... it was to indicate he had been Marooned on LV-223 for a Long Time... he had Dyed his Roots in Prometheus so his Hair does Grow... we can maybe just look at Dr Shaw had up to a Year to Grow hers, while David had over 10 years so his Grows Slower.....

It is likely just a Oversight... its likely Noomi was not invited to play a Part, but then Called in after Shooting Began to do a Few Scenes, in-between or during Time she was Shooting/Due to Shoot other Projects and so she SIMPLY could not Cut her Hair Short!

Regarding Dr Shaw and her FATE!

Firstly it think we have to accept its David who would put his OWN ambition and agenda First.... he would do what ever is needed to get what he wants, that includes LIE!

Then i think we have to NOT 100% take the Novel as our 100% Source, because things had Changed, in the Movie we have David's Workshop and Notes and so we have to take them into Account.

It is Highly Likely as in Certain that Dr Shaw had NOT Perished in the Crash....

The Bombardment could NOT have Destroyed All Life.. some Engineers Survived, some Fauna had too.. It is likely the Bombardment had a Radius of Effect, it was also Likely it was Activated/Programed in a way that the Pathogen would only Last a Short Time... enough to Replicate inside and Spread from Engineer to Engineer, but then after a Period of Time, it Turned all Genetic Material into a Solid Matter...

Any Engineers who managed to Find Refuge would NOT have been prepared and would likely know the Environment could be Contaminated for a Certain Period of Time?   How Long?  we dont know.. it appears the Pathogen after a Period of Time had Solidified those Engineers, but who knows if this was a Programed Effect?

Do the Engineers know how long a Infected Environment would remain UNSAFE?

David had Experimented on Engineers, Male, Female and Infants their Bodies appeared to NOT be Infected... How does he Overpower them.... likely they are Weak and Emaciated because they have Barricaded themselves away in a Safe Place where ONCE their Supply of Food and Water Runs Low/Out then they are EASY Pickings...

So regarding Dr Shaw... its likely the Environment was NOT SAFE and so David had informed Dr Shaw... we can Assume the Ship was Safe though, and so Dr Shaw was Confined to the Ship.... 

Even when the Environment was SAFE... its likely David had LIED about it, so he was FREE to do what ever he wanted...  i would say that Dr Shaw had a LOT of TRUST with David, they had Built a Mutual Respect and Trusting Relationship (so she thought).

We need to then look at HOW would David keep her ALIVE?  She maybe RAN low on Nutrition on the Ship, this would be a GOOD reason to go into Cryo-sleep and also a Bartering Tool for David... giving her Little Choice..

so we could Speculate any Food/Drink she had could be LOW if there was any Left, and Eventually David would go and get her Food/Drink and then Dr Shaw could START to Wonder....    WHERE did he get it from?  HOW-COME it is Not Infected?

So she could get SUSPICIOUS... especially if he still says its NOT Safe!

Maybe ONE DAY she grew too Suspicious and had a Wander out of the Ship and realized she did-not become Infected? then she Confronts David and maybe thats when THINGS become Sour?

Maybe she went to the City and Walked in on David and the Torture/Experiments on the Engineers, if he TOLD her they was all Dead, and she Discovered they were NOT then RIGHT there is the END of that Relationship... she would NOT react well..

BUT.... how could she Survive on the Ship, or more so have any Chance of Walking Outside and NOT be infected by the Neomorph Spores?

Likely for the Same Reason that ONLY TWO of the Covenant Crew became Infected... the Spores needed to be Physically Disturbed..

Also the Spores could have came a while after the Crash, and after Dr Shaw discovered David was lying!

David maybe went back/forth to the Ship for more Black Goo, and at some Point a Urn had got Knocked Over and its Contents poured into the Area of the Cargo/Deployment Hold (Area Covenant Crew walk through) this Pathogen then Infects Fungi that is Growing from where Algae and Water have Gathered, and the Pathogen travels down the Water Stream that is UNDER the Juggernaut and then it also Infects more Fungi down Stream!

Thats just Logically how i Piece things together... thats NOT to say this is what Happened.

If I were interested in sterilising a planet, I too would want to create a short-lived pathogen. But those pods that puff out the infection last for decades at least. How long would they remain dormant and viable, do you think? Were those pods engineered by David, or did he just draw pretty pictures of them?

BigDave I know that you don't like Shaw, but her death was required by the studios (we know this) and it was not something inevitable, so stop making excuses for corporate decisions.

Why would a robot be clumsy and knock things over? You know he was an expert piano player from second 0.

@hox If David would have made the pods why plant them at random locations in the wilds? So the idiot army guys could spread out and sniff it? Or to infect whom or what if all life is eradicated? Yet if the planet has monthly long rains how come the goo was not washed away before forming pods?

 It is likely the Bombardment had a Radius of Effect, it was also Likely it was Activated/Programed in a way that the Pathogen would only Last a Short Time... enough to Replicate inside and Spread from Engineer to Engineer, but then after a Period of Time, it Turnedall Genetic Material into a Solid Matter...

@BD- That is an interesting point. Everyone seemed to walk among the bombarded area unharmed. Maybe the pathogen becomes inert over time. The problem with that though is that it is still active in plants- spores that can still invade a host when stepped on. The spores proved deadly when inhaled or found their way into someone's ear canal. 

hox It seems the pathogen would remain with the plants. The planet would never be safe for any humanoids to occupy long term.

@dk It's evident that the pods remain infectious and deadly to fauna for a long time. Perhaps even forever, as you suggest. That's indeed contrary to the notion of creating a short-acting sterilising agent.

Would the Engineers really be that mean? To render a world uninhabitable for eternity? I doubt it.

I suppose one way round that conundrum might be:

1. Engineers typically sterilise a planet with the devastating pathogen. Unlike gardeners, who apply weed killer several times during a growing season, they just let the pathogen do its dirty work over time until every last scrap of fauna is destroyed.

2. After a few years or decades, Engineers return and drop an antidote to neutralise the pathogen and all its progeny.

Actually, I think option 2 would be a nice one to follow up in a movie. Set on some other devastated world.

hox If they have an antidote why not use it in the LV-223 incident?

@Ignorantguy

On the Contrary i do like Noomi Rapace, i do think her Character in Prometheus was Niave, but thats how she is supposed to had been, i think its a DIRE Shame they never got to Continue with her, even IF her FATE would have been similar, she Deserved much more Screen Time.  Their was so much that could have affected her Character Arc and gave Noomi something better to work with.

Ultimately indeed it was a Corporate Necessity and Creative Decision, some Earlier Drafts were supposed to have her Alive and she helped the other Humans that David had engaged with who arrived to a Lost Paradise, so they could have had her Alive and Discovered and Rescued and she Sacrificed herself to save them... i think the Path they took as FAR as to NOT include her was a Error.  But there is ONLY so many Plots/Scenes you can Cram in a Movie and Alien Covenant had Clearly tried to FIT too much in as it was.

With the Topic i was just pointing out that Potentially there is another 1-2 Movies worth of Events that Transpired (During the First 5 years after Prometheus), that likely would-not have made a Movie that would Engage Fans... but Certainly i think it Warrants a Novel ;)

Indeed we could ask HOW it is David would knock over a JAR/URN, maybe he was Chasing Dr Shaw, or in a Rush to do with her and so he was Preoccupied/Distracted but then you could Argue a Robot would be able to Multi-Task.   It could have been knocked over by Dr Shaw trying to Escape.

Or as i also suggested it could have happened during the Crash, the Reason she was NOT infected is the same as WHY the other Covenant Crew had NOT been....

Ultimately there are a Number of Things that those working and writing on the Project dont give No Answers for, or even maybe HAD any.... maybe some things we are NOT expected to Wonder about or TRY and come up with a Answer...... this is all thanks to not giving us Spoon Feeding on every Detail.... which i think is a Good Thing ;)

@hox

Thats a Good Point to Consider, Indeed having a Pathogen with Limited Time of Infection would be Ideal as a World Cleansing Tool, having a Bio-Weapon that can be Programed to Target Molecules and Effect them in Different ways, which could be to Solidfy/Calcify them....

So when it comes down to the SPORES this is something thats interesting, i would SPECULATE that these are the Results of a Urn (or few) that had been Knocked Over after the Crash and Poured their Contents out that was Washed Away by the Leaking Water on the Ship, likely from Rain and also being on a Stream running down the Mountain.... this Pathogen likely Infecting some Mold/Fungi and Mutating it into a Hybrid Fungi that passes on Neomorph Spores.   Could these URNS had been Knocked Over/Leaked at the Time of the Crash or after... we can only Speculate.

Other than that, it could have been from the Bombardment, but then we have to ASK... why do we NOT seem to see any Signs of Life, Locally no other Mutated Organisms... was there some? did they Die Off...

How come we only saw  the Neomorph Spores as the only Existing Parasitic result of the Bombardment (maybe there are more Horrors we simply missed).  We only see the Spores near Mold/Moss and Water Sources, so Damp/Wet Environments, while the Juggernaut has Water Running Under it and down the Mountain, which likely also Runs to the Stream (Ledwood Infection).  This does-not mean it was from Leaked URNS on the Ship....  it could have been from the Bombardment, and if so there may be more Spores all over Planet 4 that we had not been shown..

So there could have been other Infected Life-forms, the Movie simply having No Time to show us every Inch of that Local Area around the City....

David maybe giving us a HINT this could be True, when he says the Pathogen would either KILL out right or Create Hybrid Forms....   But it appears it Reacted in a Different way to the Engineers (killed) than we saw it react with Holloway, Fifield and Hammerpedes but this could be to do with HOW the Weapon was Activated and Amount of Pathogen Exposed to.

Large Amounts = Death either Cellular Break-Down or Cellular Calcification

Small Doses = Mutation to various Degrees depending on Amount of Pathogen and type of Contact.

So the Neomorph Spores could had been from Smaller Particles of the Bombardment that had Blown away from the Area and Infected Fungi/Mold.

We can only Speculate.

Regarding the Engineers Bio-Weapon, and a Antidote...

When i had First Seen the Scenes of those Engineers, like STONE and saw the Device on top of the Cathedral Dome (these were from Shots, Clips prior to the Movies Release).  I had Wondered and Discussed on here IF those Engineers became like that from some kind of SAFETY Device... that was Activated and would within a Radius then Destroy/Solidify all Organic Matter (apart from Plants) within a Certain Area to Nullify the Spread of the Pathogen, to Disable it.. 

Seemed Plausible to me at the Time... a Ideal Protection Mechanism..

This was UNTIL i saw the Movie and more so, we saw Davids Drawings... that indicated some Engineers must have Survived... IF those other Engineers became as Stone from a Protective Weapon used to HALT the Pathogen by Destroying all Organic Matter (not plants though) and thus would STOP the Pathogen...

Then WHY did those Engineers Fall Prey to David, if their Safety Device had CLEANSED the Area... at some point they could have then Wondered Outside..

It was likely he had his WAY with them as they was Held Up some place, with limited Food/Water to WAIT out the Contamination and had became Emaciated and Ripe for the Pickings...  Thus making the Speculation of a Engineer Safety Device.... MUTE!

You would think they would have some Antidote.... as using the Black Goo to Clean Worlds is NOT exactly ideal its a bit OVER-KILL.  Especially if it can leave behind Parasitic Organisms..... that are Deadly and would be a Hindrance to repopulating the World with LIFE.. unless you dont mind having LIFE that has the Neomorph/Deacon like Traits/DNA.

As Ignorantguy pointed out.... WHY dont they use a Antidote on LV-223, which is a Good Point... but then also we have to ask WHY did they NOT go back to LV-223...  Was Every Complex Contaminated?

If the Prometheus Crew had-not removed their Helmets, if they had NOT taken/touched any of the Urns and IF they had NOT had awoken the Engineer, they would likely had Survived!

So the Pathogen likely is Inert in Certain Environments, and any Outbreak has a Certain Half-Life so to speak.

Ridley Scott had suggested (i think it was via him, could have been the Novel?) that the Pathogen took 4 Days to Eradicate Life on Planet 4 (i think it was the NOVEL, but we see that is NOT the case in the Movie). 

But RS had claimed that ONCE they had Cleansed a World it would take Hundreds of Years (500 i think) before its SAFE to go back and Start Again!

It is certainly a puzzle, and one that I've asked before, as to why the Engineers weren't able (or bothered) to sort out the mess on LV-223. They're not stupid, after all.

There are many possible reasons. For example, it might not actually be a good idea to store an antidote anywhere near a WMD factory, since that substance would almost be as bad as the WMD itself and rub out a lot of hard work. Or it could be plain incompetence. Or it could be sabotage. Or it could be that something happened in history over the past 2,000 years that meant LV-223 became part of a lost empire. In respect of Planet 4, perhaps that wing of the Engineer Empire had nothing at all to do with chemical weapons and were completely exposed on David's arrival. Lots of possibilities - one reason why I love the way Ridley's developed the backdrop.

I doubt Ridley put much too much thought into how an infection could become safe again after 500 years. Outbreaks like Ebola tend to fizzle out over time, but the pathogen is a different kettle of fish! If the Engineer civilisation is millions of years old, they likely have the means to undo their damage if they have a mind to.

Regarding when David was patched together, I would assume that, as they drive past the wreckage site, David suggests that Shaw might need some things, food for instance, and Shaw will then explain that it’s dangerous to come near Miss Vickers’ lifeboat. David will want to know why and Shaw tells him about the combat between the Engineer and a monster with tentacles (trilobite). David will then have two arguments for being made whole again: It’s not safe to stay on the ground (in the juggernaut) because there is either a huge tentacled monster or a very angry Engineer at large. Furthermore, David can take her to her makers.

You can’t tell from the novel how long they stayed in the juggernaut after the crash, but it seems likely that they stayed there for some months at least since they made furniture and paper. We also know that Shaw felt alone and wanted to get home (“Take me Home, Country Roads”) but also that she was afraid of something (looking behind her).

Something must have changed between David and Shaw and as I see it the most likely scenario is that David decided to just go and grab her and bring her to the cathedral as a captive (that’s why her belongings are still in the juggernaut when the Covenant crew arrive there).

As for the Engineers, they did destroy the juggernauts so that the pathogen couldn’t spread but as I see it they most likely died shortly thereafter. In the novel, there are even dead Engineers outside the city so the radius of the airborne pathogen must have been quite extensive. I think the drawings that David made and the experiments and mutated bodies, as well as the statue of the skinned Engineer, were made from the dead and deformed bodies of Engineers outside the cathedral (in the dire necropolis).

Also, David says that the pathogen is extremely aggressive and will spread and take out all life forms (fauna). So it will spread in the air, land and waterways, that is birds, mammals, fish etc. It was made to eradicate all fauna on entire worlds. However, when everything is over, the pathogen is dormant which is why the covenant crew (including Walter) can’t detect anything. But when the spores are touched upon, it awakens . . .

Furthermore, in the novelization, David says that he became “consumed with studying the minimal surviving fauna” (insects e.g.). In the lab there is a dead Engineer lying on a table, stripped of skin, fat and muscle. David says that it was messy but that he had “thousands of examples from which to choose”, referring to all the corpses lying outside the cathedral.

Except for insects, the only living thing he finds is the xenomorph egg (in the lab) with a living facehugger inside it! He had to kill it though since it was too aggressive . . .

Well hox thats like the Million Dollar Question...  i have to come back to that one ;)

@Chli

You raise some Good Points as Usual ;)

I think with the Plot for AC that leads from The Crossing, we have to assume a certain number of things...   it was always a Question of Dr Shaw would need to Re-attach David at some point, and if we NEVER had Alien Covenant, then she would still had needed to Acquire some Tools to FIX HIM.... as i doubt Engineers would have a Ideal set Handy!

The Rest of the stuff from The Crossing would only be needed IF...

*There was NO kind of Nutrition/Drink for Dr Shaw on the Engineers Ship

*She would NOT be going into Cryo-sleep any time Soon or the Cryo-Pods would not Sustain her!

These are Effected by HOW-SOON she decides and is able to put David back together again...  By Virtue of Noomi Rapace being cast for The Crossing and likely having to keep her Hair Long (for other Work) then it was a Necessity that she would have had to Salvage more from the Prometheus/Life-Boat.

She simply would have HAD to go to the Life-Boat or Prometheus Wreckage to get THINGS for her Survival while she Contemplates putting David back together and also for the TOOLS she would NEED... if they are on the Life-Boat... then NO TOOLS... and she was maybe NOT going to Leave this Place... or so David would lead her to Believe..

It seems 4/5 Days Passed from when the Engineer was Face Hugged, to when the Deacon had Chest Bursted we dont know WHEN the Trilobite had Rolled off the Engineer....   So maybe when she got to the Life-Boat they both appeared LIFELESS! so she would then Rush Around getting whats Needed..

Maybe all David knew at that Point was the Engineers Experiments make Organisms that KILL and maybe he would NOT be aware that the Trilobite was a Stage in a Life-Cycle?

If he DID know, then he could inform Dr Shaw she has a Limited Window to Get the Stuff and Leave LV-223 before her Grandchild is BORN ;)

Regarding the NOVEL and Engineers, i have not read it, and its a case of maybe we accept it unless it Contradicts anything shown on Screen...

Sometimes the Writers dont really THINK much!

There is certain Life-Forms that Survived, not Limited to Insects from Davids work notes.... The Engineer Bodies outside in Alien Covenant did-not look like they would be MUCH use for Experiments...

It seems he had Experimented with Female Engineers including their Reproductive System... it makes more Sense that he had acquired some ALIVE Engineers.

Hatton and Hallett had discussed that some of their Work, had depicted various Experiments and Torture that David had conducted on the Engineers, its hard to Torture a Dead Being.. that would just be Mutilation.

So i think its a case of Interpretation and seeing what makes more Sense, as far as IF there were Survivors.

The Pathogen Likely had a LARGE Radius, certainly.... it also likely had a Set Time before the Effects would PASS!

I think that Gave him a Reason for Dr Shaw to be HELD UP in the Juggernaut.... he would also likely want to NOT get too close to any Engineers until he is sure that the Pathogen has done the JOB....

It could seem Dr Shaw and David were still on Good Terms for a While... she likely Accepted Davids reasons for the Bombardment (likely a Lie), so there would have to be a FEW Good Reasons for WHY their Relationship went SOUR!

*Discovering the Real Reason the Pathogen was Released (Prevented her from her Answers). May get her angry!

*Discovering David maybe lying about HOW-LONG the Outside would be SAFE... could also..

*Discovering what David had Done to the Engineers, especially if she discovers some were or are Alive.. would Certainly make her WANT to not be around him!

*Having him make Advanced Towards her, showing he has more than Platonic Interest in her... that may FREAK her out!  It depends on HOW he takes Rejection as to IF thats enough for her to WANT to be away from him.

Its possible that a Combination of the above happened... these would GIVE her a Reason to want to try and KEEP away....

So YES at some point he may have either Dragged her from this Place... (likely) or she had been Caught while Trying to Run away from After  Discovering Davids Workshop of Horrors!

If they could flashback to the fate of the Planet 4 Engineers, why not show the what happened to Shaw!? I'd put her above the stature of the Engineers(character wise)? ?

David(voice over)"..There were complications waking her from hypersleep.....She passed peacefully..."

But show him killing her(with a rolled up drawing..Ash was weaksauce!)

BigDave

But if we go by just what we see (or hear) in the movie, what proof is there that some Engineers survived the genocide and were caught by David?

We have seen what one Engineer could do to David, so would David stand a chance against several of them on their own home ground? They would probably have weapons and food in stock and the flora is intact.

The Engineer bodies we see outside the cathedral have been exposed to weather and wind for ten years. David would have used "fresh" bodies for his experiments.

MonsterZero

I suppose a flashback scene showing David killing Shaw could be interesting, on the other hand not showing gets your imagination going . . .

A biomechanical Engineer caught David by surprise before going berserk on him. The Planet 4 Engineers didn't appear weak but didn't appear war like either. They seemed like peaceful monks. Also, David was pretty formidable judging by the fight with Walter. 

@Chli

Certainly i think if you ONLY go by what you see on Screen, then you do only have a Limited amount of Clues to Follow.  But most people would only see just the Movie to Form a opinion on Certain things.. most people would not even Care about such Details ;)

It comes down to the OLD Chestnut.... what you Choose to use to Form a Interpretation and when things are NOT really Spoon Fed, then we can all Interpret things differently.

Sometimes its as Dr Shaw said... "its what i choose to Believe"

Thats No Knock against anyone, because i would also be Guilty of Speculation too ;)

So when it comes down to WHAT we are Shown, there are things that are THERE that are Faint, for example there could be some Drawings or other things in the Shot that are Too Distant to make out, but Photos from the SET or like that Video Celebrating the 2nd Anniversary of the DVD Release, they could SHOW us what was too Far or Blurred to make out in the Movie..

Do such things NOT count?  Thats not a Attack, i never attack anyone's opinions (i hope it dont seem like that, if so sorry) but what i mean is its like the EGG shot in Prometheus, a Egg that was HELD by those Xenomorph like ARMS... it was there, but in the Movie it was Partially Dissolved and a Split Second... so UNLESS you knew about it, you could Miss It....

So while i Speculate about the Engineers, then INDEED thats not to say this is what Happened as we Never see David mention about what he did to the Engineers or what state those Poor Souls where in when he began his Anatomy etc.

So if i try and Counter my Speculation, and try and see if i can make sense of a Alternative... then it REALLY does depend on a Few Things.

*What was the Effect of the Black Goo Bombardment, the Total Effects and After Effects. 

*When was it that David had Conducted his Experiments and Autopsy/Anatomy of those Engineers.

In the Movie we see the Engineers are Swarmed/Rained down on by the Pathogen, it Enters the Engineers Body and seems to Leave the Engineers Body (in Larger Amounts), the Question is ONCE this Process Stops what is the State of the Engineer Bodies?

If we came across say a Farm that had say 4-6 Occupants who had Died from a Pathogen, one that Does-Not mutate their Bodies... so they would just be like a Corpse that had Collapsed from another Ailments, Heart Failure, Stroke etc.

For a Period of Time (depends on Environment, Temperature) those Bodies would be simply to Perform a Accurate Autopsy/Anatomy Check on.

If the Engineers Bodies are similar after they DIED from the Black Goo, then i would say YES.. there is NO reason David could NOT have Performed his Studies on them!

If he got to them before they Decomposed!

The Bodies However dont look much like Decomposed, they look more like Mummified... was this a Effect of the Black Goo?   Does the Goo somehow make the Dead Remains Solidify in such a Manner?

sometimes Decomposition can look like Mummification, if a Body say dies in a COLD Environment or Trapped under ICE/SNOW.

It can also do this if it is NOT in a Warm Environment, Sunlight and is thus in a Contained Environment that the AIR and Bacteria and other Microbes cant get Access too!  Then a Long Dead Body can look more Mummified.... and not Partially Decomposed.

IF the Bombardment Killed all Microscopic Organisms within a Large Area, then maybe that would HELP the Bodies appear to be Mummified...  its another thing to Consider!

So its like saying if Thousands of People were KILLED by a Hybrid FLU or Malaria and they was left to ROT, then we have to ASK under what Circumstances would their Bodies Become like the Mummified Engineer Remains and NOT end up Decomposed or Skeletal Partially or Fully.

But Certainly as FAR as getting to Fresh Corpses, then you could do a Ideal Autopsy and Anatomical Study. But then its a CASE of how soon had he done Experiment after Experiment, Autopsy after Autopsy etc?

Does he have a way to Preserve the Bodies?  Like a Meat Freezer etc?  Who knows...

We see some of his Studies and Experiments are in a Remarkable State of Preservation... Do the Engineers posses any Chemical Agents or ways they can Preserve Corpses he had Plastinated some of his Works, but some do-not look Plastinated

Some of his Works include Detailed Experiments and Study on Engineer Organs and Anatomy which include what appears to be Hybrid Infants, can the Black Goo or Neomorph Spores have any Effect on DEAD Engineers?

So those are the things we have to Consider if we are going to Discard any Chance of Survivors...

REGARDING how he would Obtain Alive Engineers, as i have said before, if they was HELD UP away, with Limited Food/Drink, eventually they would become Too Weak/Emaciated to put up a Fight!

@hox

I will try and Answer your earlier post.... it really is Ambigious to what the Answers could be though..

*Was LV-223 always a Place that Produced the Pathogen that had the Effects we saw in Prometheus or Alien Covenant.

*Why the Mural and Fresco if the Pathogen was intended to just KILL like in Alien Covenant... it seemed more Logical from Prometheus that the Infection would either Spread and Break Down the Victims Molecular Structure or Evolve them into Hybrid Organisms that had Deacon like Traits!

*If the Engineers are the Fallen Angels, then in what Context does this APPLY and to WHICH of our Engineers? All of them?

Using such a WMD is NOT the Ideal way to Cleanse a World, it is a Good Way to Evolve a World to become Horrors like the Experiments they was Conducting and Effects we saw in Prometheus.

But they surely had NOT intended this all along? So a Decision was made to go about and Destroy us, was the Pathogen something they had for Many Thousands of Years... as in the SAME as we saw on those Juggernauts and LV-223?

Was its something more Recent or it was Adapted to something different more Recent... Recent as in 2'000-5'000 Years

A lot comes down to HOW the Engineers and Fallen Angels are Connected, and HOW the Prometheus Mythos is too... from the POV of Yahweh then Lucifer was Fallen and those who Followed him, from the POV of Zues then Prometheus was Fallen and those who Followed/Supported him.

Both had Allowed Mankind to Gain Knowledge that GOD/GODS did-not want Humanity to Have!

So had those LV-223 Engineers done this... was they Punished, the Punishment Failed, so they then had Encountered or as a Result of the Punishment they then Became Obsessed with the Creation of Organisms like in the Mural... 

They then Chose to UPGRADE the Engineers Creations (Mankind) with something those Fallen Engineers had Created?

It really is a Agenda and Questions that we can Speculate over and over, the Possibilities are Quite Numerous

SABOTAGE.... Maybe, maybe some had NOT agreed with what was to be Carried out and Attempted to STOP IT?

Or they are simply Incompetent..... which would be ODD if they have been Dealing with the Pathogen in the Form we have seen for a LONG LONG TIME.

Isn’t it possible that some died before the pathogen got to them? In the stampede? There are also bodies in graves. The “hybrid infants” could have mutated before dying. I also wonder in what way the Engineers were “held up”? The climate on Planet 4 might be tropical with wet and dry seasons. I don’t see why not these bodies can look like they do in 10 years’ time?