The Daniels Dilema

I think while the Characters were Fleshed out better in the Prequel Novel, we have to remember you are NOT really restricted to a 2 Hour Screen Time with a Novel.

It does show that her Character has potential and Waterstone could pull off a more Fleshed Out Character if given the Chance.

With the Daniels Dilemma i am talking about how to Proceed and also in Context to HOW it is that she is aware of who Walter really is..

Daniels and Tennessee are the ONLY surviving Members of the Covenant Crew that we had been Shown...

This does-not mean that some of the Colonist could NOT be related to or Friends with some of the Covenant Crew that were KILLED on Planet 4 and so how would they React to the News that their Loved Ones had Perished and under the Circumstances that they had...

I would assume IF there are Relations/Friends in the Cryo-Pods then the ONLY way they would Find Out what really happened to their Loved Ones would be by Daniels and Tennessee as i would ASSUME that David would Charade as Walter and give a Different Version of Events.

Ali81

I totally agree that they have made a mess out of it because it could have been so much better. David has become less interesting because of AC, I do not want another more about him. No more rape-y robot movies. Daniels is not a very interesting character, I still try to figure out how she is as a character. She is not well written but they failed with characters in AC in general, as well as with Prometheus. If you would ask any alien fan how Daniels is as a character I bet that they would have a difficult time to come up with an answer. Compared to Shaw she was better because at least Shaw was not annoying.

BD

Not sure if I am that interested in the Covenant as a thing unless they get some interesting characters. I do not care what David does next. He could play the flute and some instruments like an orchestra and I would not care ("not a simple tune", LMAO!).  

Sorry but I do not want David as a main-character, it is boring and I am tired of it. Not interested in Daniels or Tennessee since none of them have any personality that I can see at least (not like Ripley, 85, Morse, Bishop, or Burke, for example). If someone can explain to me in a way that makes sense of how they are as characters then please try but I can not say that because they are like blank slates, crappy. For example I can tell you how the main characters in Star Wars (original trilogy) are but I could not tell you about most of the characters in AC because they have no personality. Hopefully they can get some of the colonists right, that would not be too much to ask for so they can make up for P and AC.

"The BIGGER Problem seems to be Fans are not interested in a Movie about David again…"

I do not give a single shit about that, sorry if this comes off as harsh but it is my honest opinion. The sooner he dies the better. David is just evil and he is an android, I need to have someone to support.

"UNLESS.... we do a Aftermath Movie.…"

They could have him like Bishop in Alien 3. You speak about new characters, well they did that in Alien and Alien and that worked you just got to have a writer that knows how to do that and for that you need someone completely new. No one of the writers have been able to do that this far in the prequels at least from how it has been shown on the screen, not sure if the writers alone are to be blamed for it or if Scott also is responsible in some way.

"… means that David would have to be Considered a Main Character…"

No thanks, I do not want a movie like that. They can forget my money if so. Hopefully someone at Disney or whatever they are named will tell them that it is a bad idea and put a stop to the crap that we have now.

I would rather have a Rogue One of the Alien franchise than another robot movie. I am not sure how that would work but it must be better than the prequels, the AVPs, and AR.

"So it is a PICKLE.... we have to ACCEPT that it would be down to David's Agenda as FAR as what happens NEXT."

I will not accept it because. . . it is shit.

". . . would mainly be about WHAT KIND of World he would want to BUILD."

Weeellll I don't care. It would probably in general be a world suited for a robot high on power but probably not much else. Some might find that thing to be interesting but not me.

"So it would seem those Characters would have played quite a ROLE in the Next Installment…"

They are not well-written so I am not very interested unless they give them some personality but that should have been done in Covenant. If you shall make people interested you got to introduce them in a good way where you see how they are as characters but we learned almost nothing of that in a movie that was about 2 hours. Sure you got to have some background characters but even the main one was like that. *sigh*

"Which puts the Efforts of the Prequels prior as a WASTE of Time!"

That would still be a better choice I think, that is just my opinion though.

The quotes below were directed to BigDave but please allow me to respond to a few of them.

"I would rather have a Rogue One of the Alien franchise than another robot movie."

That's a great idea Thoughts_Dreams.  

A few of the Alien novels and comics released resemble what I believe you mean by that.  A couple of examples of relatively Android-free, non-Ripley, character-driven pieces are certainly the Alien: Prototype, Alien: River of Pain, and Alien: Echo.  

These quotes shown below from above are very funny (humor, no disrespect).  The part where you can tolerate David in a destroyed Bishop state only ads to how funny the quotes are.

No David!: "Sorry but I do not want David as a main-character, it is boring and I am tired of it."

No David!!: "The sooner he dies the better. David is just evil and he is an android"

No David!!!": "David...Main Character" No thanks, I do not want a movie like that. They can forget my money if so."

Alien Independent Story, We need Zorn!

If I were given a choice on what story would be put to film next, them I might choose the Aliens: Advent/Terminus comic.  The character Zorn, a chest-buster survivor, would most likely steal the show.  

From what I could tell, the comic is hard to nail down in the Alien timeline and it could fit as an independent support story much like Rouge One.

I cite Alien: Echo above because of the Bishop in Alien 3 reference you mention (broken David in a trash pile is ok, that's a scream).  This novel might be the absolute best combination to what I believe you seek in a new story made to film.  

The story takes part on a new planet that has outlawed synthetics, Xenomorphs spawn from multiple species, and the progressive-futuristic city under the dome meets unanticipated peril.  It's wonderful.

"That would still be a better choice I think, that is just my opinion though"

Certainly everyone is Entitled to that and its HARD to please everyone...  you make a GOOD point about we are left with Characters who we just cant connect with, David is the MAIN one but as he is NOT a Human Character and he is just a ANTAGONIST then you need to have Protagonist that you can Connect with and THEY should be the MAIN Roles.

SADLY....  Daniels and Tennessee are NOT really Good Enough, but i guess they could TRY and FIX them... but the Reveal in Alien Covenant that Daniels now knows who DAVID is... really has caused a Dilemma as the OT shows.

There are a Number of Things that Fans are NOT pleased with as far as Alien Covenant, we have Characters but also beyond a Character is the STORY the PLOT and you do have to get Characters Right to make this WORK.. but you also have to Consider the STORY/PLOT.

So with the STORY what we have is what is a SET of Prequels that would Eventually lead to ALIEN and give us the Answers to WHO created the Xenomorph, and WHEN/WHY did those Eggs get on the Derelict.

What we had is a Indication that the EVENTS of Alien Covenant will eventually lead us to ALIEN.

And so we have the FOLLOWING..

*The USCSS Covenant which was Diverted from its Mission to go to Origae-6 a Earth like World to SET-UP a New Colony a Fresh Start for 2000 Colonist, and 1,140 Embryo's and its 15 Crew.  A Majority of the Colonist and Embryo's had Survived... but they are NOT aware of what Happened on Planet 4 and WHO really Walter now is.

*David who is in Control of the Ship and Basically the Colonist and Embryo's and what Happens to them and where the Ship goes Next are all down to what DAVID would want to do.

*Daniels as the ONLY Human on the Ship who is aware of WHO it is that Walter really IS.  Surely as soon as she is awake she would want to awaken the Colonist or some and WARN them who David is... 

*David has TWO Face Hugger Embryo's we cant RULE-OUT him getting any Black Goo or having some.

*The Weyland-Yutani Company are made aware of that David is NOW in Control of the Covenant Ship, and they are aware to some Degree of where he has BEEN and what he has been UP TO....

So the SET-UP is that (unless they Change Plans) the EVENTS that would Transpire in relation to either.

1) What David does NEXT and what he has Planed with the Colonist and those Embryo's (Human and Xenomorph). Where does he go and WHEN!

2) What becomes of the Remaining Eggs on Planet 4, would the Weyland-Yutani Company go to explore there or LV-223.

It would seem that FROM either of these Scenario's it would have to be about David to quite a Degree... and from either of those TWO Scenario's will lead to the EGGS that end up on the Derelict...

We just then NEED a Engineer Ship which is likely where the ENGINEERS have to come back into the FOLD or a TRIP to LV-223.

The Problem is that such a PATH would mean that David still has a Important Role he would be one of the MAIN Characters who we have to assume would be ALLOTTED the TOP THREE slots as far as Screen Time.

This Path makes him Part of the Eventual Creation of the Xenomorph, and makes the Xenomorph as something that DOES-NOT exist prior to Alien Covenant.

These are ALL things a lot of Fans are NOT Happy with.

So its a RIGHT PICKLE...

A After-Math sequel looks more LIKELY if there ever will be a Sequel... Unless they are going to ADD some CGI Gloss to De-Age Fassbender (as i cant see a Sequel being Made within Next Few Years).

And so the Discovery of a Broken David's Corpse would be away around this, and LESS time about him.  But he would have some Dialog/Information and maybe Flash Back Scenes to help the Audience know what had Happened from after they left Planet 4, until another Human Ship arrives to Discover a Disaster and David's Corpse.

The Fans then would likely want to see XENOMORPHS but have someway to indicate they are NOT created by David.

They could Re-activate Davids Head and have him say that the Eggs they (Incoming Humans) discovered on (Where-ever David is Discovered) all began with David discovering some Eggs on the Engineers Planet and he attempted to Merge these with the Neomorph Spores and used Black Goo to Create a Hybrid.

This may be a BEST CASE Scenario for many Fans..

But then NO DOUBT we would have Fans who would still want to then know.... WHERE did the Eggs that David had Discovered came from, and WHAT about those on the Derelict and WHAT the Space Jockey was doing with the Eggs and likely they would CLUTCH AT MORE STRAWS.. in the hope.... the Space Jockey is NOT a Engineer.

How do they introduce that if they go for a Please (some) Fanboys, David is Dead, Eggs Ancient, and Engineers are NOT a Space Jockey Movie...

It really is a MESS!

That came down to FOX deciding to make the First Movie a LESS ALIENY one.... and then to FORCE the Sequel to actually lets bring the ALIENS back.... but make David the Creator!

Instead of having David Create something DIFFERENT!

But ALAS!

@Ingeniero

This is some Interesting things, i think it depends on if we are going to Explore such as a Prequel or not..

I do recall, and i am not sure if it was on here or the AVPGalaxy Site, that some had felt that arriving at Origae-6 and reveal it as a Place with Pyramids etc that Already Contain Eggs would be the Best Way Forwards.

I would find this a bit TOO MUCH of a Coincidence...

But i guess it could be the ULTIMATE Story to RUBBISH that David had NOT created the Xenomorph but also it could be used to RUBBISH that the Engineers had done so too.

And indicate that Origae-6 is where the Engineers obtained the Eggs and attempted to Re-Engineer Traits from them on LV-223.  But then we would have to have some Good Explanation to HOW and WHY it is that David had got his Eggs and WHY he bothered with all those Experiments if he had access to those Eggs.

Having the Engineers being so STUPID to keep EGGS on Planet 4 would not make much sense... unless it reveals the Engineers on Planet 4 keep some in a SAFE Place to Sacrifice themselves to Xenomorphs but then you have to ASK to WHY and then HOW COME we see Planet 4 is NOT overran by Xenomorphs.

They could take such a idea as above, as far as Origae-6 is the Location of the Xenomorphs and so we have the STARBEAST Plot.... where the Engineers are a Race who had attempted to Transfer the Xenomorph from this place to Planet 4 or LV-223.

You would also have to come up with WHY the Engineers would have a EGG on Planet 4.

But i guess such a IDEA as in this Reply in Context to what you posted Aliens: Advent/Terminus could be a Option going Forward that would please some of the Fanbase.

About fixing Daniels and Tennessee, I agree but that could also clash with how they were in AC. I do not disagree with it but that is why they got to get the characters right from the beginning. They changed David (for the worse) but maybe that could work for D and T. Get a better writer next time and stop having Ridley interfere with the story telling. Yeah there is a risk that only David will be the survivor for the next movie, something that I do not like but maybe that is to be expected so they could try something else so we think that we will know what will happen but we get something else and hopefully better.

I know that I write about the characters a lot but yes the story was a problem too since it was about a mad robot. I do not oppose the idea of humans trying to find a better life somewhere else, that is actually quite interesting how it is with global warming and that but it took a turn that was not good – interesting idea but poor execution of it.

The eggs and the derelict is interesting, it is just that I am afraid that they will still go "hey let's make A B C an D about David." In the end only XYZ is about something else because a lot of it is focused on a robot that is not even likable and even if he was better it is still too much about him.

What happens to the embryos and how the humans will grow up there could be interesting but they are still at the mercy of a megalomaniac and that is why it most likely will not work. I am not too exited about it unless they do something really great and get an interesting story but then something really unexpected must happen and I am not sure if that will be the case.

Maybe we can hope that WY will know about David so they will get there and sort of ambush him and blow him up. Xenos versus WY soldiers anyone? Perhaps this would be too much like Aliens so they could do something different. I am just trying to find out a way to get David killed, LOL!

"We just then NEED a Engineer Ship which is likely where the ENGINEERS have to come back into the FOLD or a TRIP to LV-223."

That could be interesting, I would like to see the LV-223 ones again. The question is just how to reduce the role and screen-time of David. I am against any kind of movie that has David at the center, he could be important but have limited screen-time though.

"This Path makes him Part of the Eventual Creation of the Xenomorph, and makes the Xenomorph as something that DOES-NOT exist prior to Alien Covenant."

No thanks

"The Fans then would likely want to see XENOMORPHS but have someway to indicate they are NOT created by David."

I would like that, it is a lot better than what they have indicated with Alien Covenant.

Those questions that you asked where the eggs came from and so on is something that I do not think that we need the answers to but we will get some answers to some parts of the link to how the Xeno came to be. By doing this we can still continue to discuss things and that is a part of the fun.

I think that Fox really made a crappy job with this one (the prequels) and now we are in shit.

Well i think thats the Pickle we are in ;)

Unfortunately the FATE of the Covenant is in David's Hands if we are to Carry on with the Covenant Mission then Unfortunately its going to be HARD to remove David.

What we have to remember is that the Covenant Ship is at the WHIM of David.... its HOW do any of the Colonist manage to get RID of David and what becomes of those TWO Face Huggers.

Daniels being aware of WHO it is that Walter really is, does prove a Problem and as such Davids options are to either.

1) KILL HER... then how does he explain that to Tennessee.

2) EXPERIMENT on her or keep her Captive, and have her Escape and Awaken the others.  Then it leaves David to unleash the Face Huggers.

IF we begin a Movie where David is done for... its HOW and then the BIGGEST PROBLEM.. what kind of Jeopardy is in Store for the Colonist if David is GONE? 

Only the FACE HUGGERS and so how do you introduce them?

For those who are not interested in Daniels or David, then the ONLY option that remains is a AFTERMATH kind of Movie.

The Covenant Ship is stranded on Origae-6 (or some other place) and then its HOW MANY Colonist had Survived, and what Horrors are there on what ever World they are on, that surely have to have something to do with what David had brought on board the Covenant.