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With the FRANCHISE being in a Pickle at the Moment, with the Prequels being in Cyro-sleep... maybe for 57 Years ;)

The ALIEN Franchise is still Regarded as a Great Franchise that still makes MONEY in other Mediums/Merchandise.

I think that a VAST Majority see ALIEN as a Great Movie

It Spawned a Sequel that i think a LOT of Fans still Enjoy and Respect, and ONE that made the IMAGE of the ALIEN become more Mainstream.

Since that GOLDEN ERA for the Franchise, things got a lot more Divisive and Disappointing for the Fanbase.

I dont think we have had a GOOD Movie since 1986 we have seen some Potential with what Followed, but then also Flaws.

Can the ALIEN Franchise be made GREAT AGAIN?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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Cheers Guys ;)

The A.I Transfer Idea came about when looking at the Agenda of Weyland, and also when looking at the Viral Marketing and TED 2026 Talk with Particular attention to Weyland and David as far as David would NEVER DIE but he lacks a SOUL

Ridley Scott had indicated that Prometheus was also about Immortality and the Soul.....  but i dont hink RS was going to give us a Tale of Dr Shaws Faith and that she one day would meet a Magical Entity and that when she Dies she goes to a Happy Magical Place in the Clouds.

And so beyond a Spiritual Soul that Transcends to another Pane of Existence then HOW do we define a Soul?

A Soul could reflect your Personality, you Hopes, Dreams, Loves and Hates, your Memories and Emotions.  These are WHAT you take with you and Survive when you DIE in regards to the Belief of a Spiritual Soul

Our Individual Personalities, Dreams, Desires, Love and Hate are all Unique to each other... our SOUL.

These are Shaped by our Environment, our Upbringing and Treatment, the Experiences and Knowledge we gain through Life... will SHAPE our SOUL

When we look at David you could say in this case he Could indeed have a SOUL and if this is the case in this Context then his SOUL is Immortal

So i found when looking at the Scientific Advanced of Weylands Company, and his FEAR of Death, i thought surely he would have looked at a WAY to Cheat Death.

I look at the Dream Visor and how David could access and Read the Dreams of the Crew and i thought could this had been Designed with a Different Purpose or that a Advancement of it could RECORD a Persons Thoughts, Dreams, Memories? 

so i was thinking WHAT if the Visor could work similar to the Device from The 6th Day to take a Snap Shot of your Soul if you would.

Then when you look at the Synapse Restabizer (what they used on the Engineers Dead Head) which via the Viral Site (Weyland-Industries) indicated it could Activate the Brain after Death for a Limited Time.  Then i asked WHY would that be of any Benefit to Weyland when he DIES if it only activates his BRAIN for  SHORT TIME?

However if he had a Device/Way to BACK UP his Soul like we see in The 6th Day then it makes Perfect Sense to have such a Device that can Give the Brain more Life for a Short Period of Time ;)

So that was the Basis for the Project Rook which was a Tower that had inside the Company Network Main Computer and also a BACK UP of the SOUL of Weyland

This Project was a BUST as the A.I could not Handle the Complexity of the Human Emotions and the A.I Copy of the SOUL would become Unstable.. and Essentially have a A.I Mental Breakdown of the Worse Kind you can think.

So the A.I Weyland would have a LIFE of Massive Mental Breakdown and become well CUCKOO!

so Weyland then had Given Up... but his Hope was Restored with the Findings of Dr Shaw and Holloway... so off he WENT!

The END of my Prometheus 2 would have shown that Vickers (in a Plot Twist) had Activated Project Rook just before she was KILLED.... and so Weylands A.I got Uploaded to the System.

And so to indicate that maybe Weylands A.I is in the Computer Systems and he could in effect be Running the Company while the Humans are Unaware ;)

I felt it was a Nice Plot Twist.... but then i was like WHY would Weyland be so Interested in the Xenomorph?

For that i was Pondering that the Xenomorph was the KEY to Immortality that Weyland had Sort.... because it was what the Engineers had intended to USE to gain Immortality.    And the Fruits of such Hypothesis are seen with Ripley 8 in Alien Resurrection.

But this was all back in 2013.....  looking at the Curve-Ball that David had Created the Xenomorph... then i think that the Plot i had for my Prometheus 2 in regards to either a A.I Weyland or David as far as SOUL has infected the Systems would give a GREAT Reason for the Pursuit of the Xenomorph.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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The Film Theory Of Everything

 

Thank-you and I agree with you on what you said in your above post! We have such a lake (too big to be a pool) of really talented and insightful people here!

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BigDave

Thank-you and I think you will enjoy where my works take the audience!!

Also, reading your posts above...you have the most Interestingly-deep perspective of the ALIEN universe and the various elements in a 'gestalt' view...you're able to see it all, and play with alternate directions of the various sub-elements.

I envy that! In the good way, of course!

IF you ever pick up that story again--or hire a ghostwriter, you have an audience here, that's for certain!!!

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You are GREAT Blackwinter-Witch! It's a real pleasure to interact with people like Yourself. I consider individuals like Yourself like 'collegues' upon here. It's a good thing it's great so thank kindly for Your inspiring insights to Our ideas too! Thank You very much Girl! :-) !

You, Me & BigDave... Almost the: "Un-Holy Trinity" You could say Huh! LOL! :-) !

 

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BigDave!...

Dogg You had Me at:

"It would have Yutani Geisha Assassin Androids"

When someone like Yourself comes to Me with the already mind-bending concept of trancendance into artificial A.I... To then add to that: Geisha Assassin's, they're Androids & they've been created by YUTANI as their (elite guard maybe) I'm ALL IN DOGG!!!!!  

I have visions of androdid Sucker Punch-like babes with samurai swords only more like the four female Gate Keeper programms in TRON: LEGACY & quick pace action as the white & black android super soldier police units in the TOTAL RECALL remake! 

You have YUTANI, You have the ALIEN universe, You have it all in the futuristic designs that inspire a lot of science fiction, You have cybernetic assassins... & THEIR GEISHA'S ! ! ! !...

SIGN ME THE-HELL-UP DOGG!!!!

I LOVE IT!!!!! :-D !

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Thank-you and Likewise!! I agree regarding interacting with all the people here, honestly if Disney/Fox/Marvel/whatever-they-are had even an inkling of what we brew here in trading our thoughts and ideas...they'd be blown right out of their socks!!

 

Yutani Geisha Assassins...

Sign me up too!!!

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Ha Ha Cheers ;)

I will expand on it.... after the Opening Scene which is a Mash Up Engineers and David and Dr Shaw..... which is to indicate the Engineers came to Earth to take Primates to Evolve on LV-223....  as we Zoom on the Primates Brown Eyes then Zoom out... we see its Dr Shaw and David stands over her in the Cryo-Pod... unable to Read her Dreams... so he then goes into a Day-Dream and that the Weyland/David Prologue.

AFTER THIS...

We arrive at a Space Station and we are in a Board Meeting to discus the Future of the Weyland Company since its been 2.5 Years with Nothing from the Prometheus.

We hear from Various Members of the Board and we have Peter Weylands Nephew who is there,  we get a Video Call or Audio by his Father who Announces due to ILL HEALTH (he is Dying too) that he wishes to Pass his Control to his SON.......  anyway the Board Meeting Continues about a Dead Line in 7 Days before Weyland and Vickers are Declared ...... Dead/Missing.

In which case then Peters Brother would inherit his Shares and the Vast Majority of the Company which will be Ran by his SON until his passing were upon his SON will Inherit it.

We then get a Shot of a Shuttle that Docks, and we see a Female in a Suit holding a Briefcase as she walks into the Board Room (we dont see her Head)  Just as the Board Meeting is Concluding.... 

We see that the Females Hands place a Briefcase from behind to be laid in Front of one of the Chair Members/Solicitor.   He says and what is THIS.... we then hear a Familiar Voice saying (Open It)

We Pan to see a Female with Short Dark Hair... she removes her Sun Glasses..... its MISS VICKERS..

The Board Members are Shocked... it cant be RIGHT?

She says you think that my FATHER would be so Foolish to send his ONLY CHILD all the way on that Ill Fated Mission and allow you CLOWNS to Run the Business?   She says that Weyland had KNOWN they would TRY and Shaft him out of the Company as they knew he was Dying. And so they Pretended that Vickers went along on the Prometheus but she had been in Hiding and Preparing for the Day when Weyland would be Announced Missing.

The Briefcase contains a Screen with a Video Message from a Dying Weyland... made Days before his Departure to LV-223,  we see that Weyland leaves his Estate and Shares to his Beloved Daughter.... Meredith Vickers

This is the SET UP for the PLOT TWIST

Towards the 2nd Act we would see that Weylands Nephew is UPSET that he is NOT going to get Majority Control over the Company.... and so he Arranges a Meeting with the CEO of Yutani

You see for Weylands Nephew was more a Play Boy than Peter Weyland... he wanted to SELL 50% of the Weyland Assets to Yutani so that he can Live the PLAY BOY Life....  He only wanted to keep the Bio-Medicine and few other Aspects...    Yutani was going to BUY the Space Program/Teraforming and Synthetics Patents.

But that Plan is  BUST now..... Weylands Nephew jokes well if you got Miss Vickers Assassinated i would give you what you want... The CEO of Yutani makes a Deal... i will take care of HER....  When she is Dead the Company is yours and you Hand Over what i want.....

When we CUT to the Final Stages we see Weylands Nephew arranges a Meeting with Vickers..... he says he Wants to make a Deal to SELL his Fathers Shares to her.

He has TWO Women with him in his Office... she Mocks him about his Drinking and Women, and how he Cant Keep hold of a Real Woman.....  he says to her "come on you know growing up you wanted to Fuck me"

She says to him about how HE has NO Care/Respect for the Company and the Hard Work her Father had put into it and Money his Father had too... and that he ONLY wants to SELL IT for Money for his Play Boy wanna be Life Style.  And he has NO RESPECT for the Legacy of the Weyland Company.

He goes on to say WHAT USE is Legacy and the Company when your DEAD, what Good has it all done for your Father, and he used to Look Up to her Father before he GOT OLD, started to NOT think about Living Life but the Fear of Death and Worked in Vain on trying to CHEAT DEATH.... "How did that go my Dear?"

She then says to him you Cant Wait until your Fathers Death to get your Hands on his Shares so you can Sell it to the Highest Bidder!

He Replies  is that NOT what she Wants.....  which She says to SELL OUT!.... He says NO for your Father to DIE so its all yours!

She says she will Continue the Legacy of her Father, he had made so many Gains for the Future.

He says "Meradith have you not grown up, do you still want to play with DOLLS"  then he says "your Dad was Fascinated with his DOLLS, he even Cared more for that Dumb Doll David than he did for his own Daughter"

She gets MAD, and says well those DOLLS where more Human than you ever ARE!

He then says Maybe when i Sell my Shares i can Purchase some SEX ROBOTS off you?  I wonder if you Father ever had more Interest in Sex Robots than you... maybe he should have Modeled One after YOU!

This Hits a Nerve with Vickers.

He jokes maybe your Father was more Interested in David, are you sure he even Fathered You?

She Grabs him by the Collar.....  He Shouts "i really could do with some Tea"

Then a Door Opens and TWO Geisha walk in with some Tea, they kind of look like Porcelain their White Faces looking more like Plastic than Paint..... Then Vickers releases HIM.... She then says so you already have some SEX ROBOTS, i guess No Human could want you.

He says... well YES those Dolls could have a USE for that, but i think that Military are the Best Use for ROBOTS, and i would like you too meet some of Yutani's Finest.

Then they ATTACK... but Miss Vickers puts up a Good Fight, then she does BETTER, she throws the ONE to the WALL and the other Grabs her from Behind and then Vickers throws her over her Shoulder and PULLS OFF its Head!

Then she pushes Weylands Newphew to the Floor and Stands over him, we see a few Drips of Blood... NO like MILK drops onto his Face, as we PAN to his POV we see that Vickers has a CUT and she is Bleeding Milk..... MISS VICKERS is a God Damn ROBOT.

Yutani Security Burst in, and Pull their Guns on Vickers...

Her Cousin then looks on at her... WELL WELL WELL... i always thought you was a COLD BLOODED BITCH! Now it makes Sense...

He Pulls out a Gun and Shoots her in the Chest....

She Falls to the Floor, as her Cousin grabs a Tea Cloth to Wipe the Blood Off, she Crawls over to a Suitcase and Opens it up and Activates a Program...

He turns to her and goes that Video Will and Testament is NO GOOD to you, a ROBOT has no RIGHTS... He tells the Security to KILL her... and they DO...

We then Cut to the Smashed Screen of the Tablet in the Briefcase..

We can just make out the Screen where its NOT cracked...

PROTOCOL 27655:1 Activated...  Program Rook... Upload Complete...

We CUT to Credits.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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The Broad Strokes for my Prometheus 2 was not Difficult, it Started with a Set-Up that acts as a Prelude to where David and Dr Shaw will go.... which my Prometheus 3 would cover.

There was also at the End of the 2nd Act, the Yutani Company going off to LV-223 to Investigate what Happened to the Prometheus and make sure that Weyland was Dead.  This was via a Order to send a Yutani Mission in a Conversation with the Yutani CEO.

I was thinking of added a END CREDITS Scene of a Yutani Ship seen heading towards LV-223

But i had NOT worked out much what this SET-UP would be as far as a Parallel Prometheus 3 just a more Alieny Movie like Alien Engineers was, that would give Clues to LV-426 and ALIEN and Close the Door to ALIEN.

As i had Mainly Concentrated on and Come Unstuck with the other Sequel that would be set like 100 Years latter and be WHERE it is that Dr Shaw and David would END UP....

Which GOT kind of Complicated a bit, but was set like 10'000 maybe 20'000 Light Years away and also DEALT with Soul Transfer to a degree...  The Engineers had their OWN kind of Visor Device that can be USED to Pass On Knowledge but also to Recover Memories from people.

It was a Plot Device to allow Dr Shaw to Communicate with the Humanoids and Engineers they Discover, but also a Device that would allow Engineers to Pass On Knowledge to Chosen Few which would included their Space Jesus if you would.  So it could kind of ACT like a Star Trek Trill in a way.... It could be Manipulated and Programed to Take/Read and Pass On Certain things and surely was a Advancement on what Weyland had been trying to Achieve.

But i was also Toying with the Engineers coming across another WAY to Transcend which was via the Origins of the Xenomorph the Starbeast which i Envisioned to be much more like the TRILL from Star Trek ;)

which i would use to Explain in Part to WHY and WHAT they had done on LV-223 and then also that what we see with RIPLEY 8 is Ultimately what the Engineers were trying to do.

But it got Complicated as to HOW to use this, WHICH ideas to USE and which to DROP and i Abandoned it.... and then LOST IT.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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BigDave

(Applause) my efforts are absolutely Basic-Simplistic compared to how you weave a storyline structure!! 

Someday, I hope you manage to recover/rebuild enough of it to get a ghostwriter to help you get it Finished!! (Fingers-Crossed)

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If at first You don't succeed... Go & get depressed!

No... LOL!

I'm only joking! Meanwhile, in the REAL WORLD, I have a dry sense of humour more-often-than-not! lol! :-D !

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If at first you don't succeed...swear, have a drink...ponder, ruminate, then try again...after a snack or dinner. :D

And having a kittieh (or several) around to bitch and complain to about the Universe is a help. :D

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Well we have had a Sequel to Prometheus.... however maybe the Idea i had could STILL work and fit, as it had No Connection really to what Happens to David and Dr Shaw and the Xenomorph Origins.

Upon getting Alien Covenant however i saw it maybe Pointless in doing a Idea for Sequels...  However i did have  a FEW regarding a Alien Covenant Sequel which i had Mentioned on here, ONE i actually Felt is what i Interpreted that a Sequel would be like which kind of is VERY similar in ways to Raised by Wolves but i had put down my Idea/Interpretation of AC2 like Months before Raised by Wolves was even announced ;)

I think its a Folly to pursue a Sequel to AC because the Plot Direction and Revelations are NOT what quite  a LOT of Fans would be interested in, and also some Prometheus Fans would also see that a LOT of the Potential with the Engineers was Brushed under the Carpet with Alien Covenant.

I dont think you can Rescue it Theatrically and so a Continuation would be best Served in a Novel.

I think the Prequels with Prometheus had STEERED AWAY and Ignored what many Fans had Expected and AWAY from what they think that a ALIEN Franchise should be about.  I think many Fans also would have not seen the ENGINEERS as being ALIEN enough too.

Its a Shame as there was Scope and Potential with the Engineers Plot that OPENED UP the Franchise beyond EGGS and QUEENS.

So its WHERE do you GO?   If your NOT going to Continue with the Prequels or at least Davids Arc and where he goes NEXT?

How do you get Humans to Discover and Interact with a Engineer threat that does-not touch on the aftermath of Alien Covenant?

If you decide to go for another Story that Ignores the Prequels as in it does-not cover the Engineers, then its a case of HOW do you basically introduce us to Humans who come across AGAIN.... Eggs or a Xenomorph Specimen and ONCE you have done that then WHATS NEXT?  You cant keep going back to that same Formula surely?

But CERTAINLY any kind of Reboot or Retcon is NOT going to be Helpful apart from a Cash Grab or Fan Service!

Unless your going to Continue after Alien Resurrection.

I think the Engineers Plot had OPENED UP the Franchise to a Galaxy (and more) of Horrors and Threats from other Species......  as i think you cant keep going back to Xenomorphs over and over.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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