ALIEN: VENGEANCE

BlackAnt

When you're being rude, sarcastic and childish that is when people dislike you, do you see that? If they tell you that you're a troll I'm not surprised. A troll is someone that tries:

". . . to antagonize (others) online by deliberately posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/troll

Which is a big part of what you are doing on this forum. If you can't see how that fits your behavior here then try again. There are comments that you have done in this thread that back up my claims so there is no need to go far back to get proof.

The Who are you people kind of picture goes under the irrelevant and offensive comments because it is belittling people because it comes off like you are worth more than them for what ever reason. Be a part of the discussions if you want but drop the offensive attitude.

Thought_Dreams, you are doing the very same thing to me right now...and I would ask that you just stop it as well...please reread the comments you posted before you judge me any more....enough!!

Did I not say I have nothing against you....then be done with it please....and that will be all. Unless every time I post something you will say something negative that is not true that you are doing yourself and many others.

Whether I post a funny info graphic or not is not badgering you or anyone else...or being a troll...I do not post endless negative comments here that are offensive to everyone and you know that to be not true...so please end your negative behavior.

Whew! Looks like a lot's happening around here, since I looked away for a sec. ...Glad to see everyone's as lively as ever. 

Anyways, @dk

"Even humans can fake it to make it. Humans have a pretty robust history of sociopaths. What else could be expected from an android being programmed by another sociopath?"

Ok, yes, I think this is an excellent point. When someone designs a program he cannot avoid his own biases and values influencing his design. 

And sociopaths are a good example. The do not lack any and all emotion, but they do fake emotions that they do not have. 

For example, they act in their own self interests because of their personal desires, their ability to fake consideration for others (when it suits them) is part of what makes them so charismatic. 

This is the case for David. He has his own personal desires and motives but is also good at faking emotions that do not match the ones he's feeling at a given moment. 

BlackAnt

Seen your kind of forum-troll behaviour before, as have we all. Your Progressivist wordplay with PolCorr crap is a script, you don't even get points for 'effort'. 

Actually, your entire 'style' reminds me of another troublemaker from a couple years back...I forget the name, but you sound exactly like that person--just with semi-updated lingo and politiculture terminology.

I've been reading through your posts, and you're abusive, disrespectful, denigrating, abrasive, rude, and utterly lacking in proper forum manners and courtesy.

You came here to attack people and try to browbeat folks into accepting your word as the final one on any issue.

Like I said, around here we've all seen this exact behaviour pattern you've demonstrated in your posts and addressing of other members before...you're just the most recent one to try such here.

Attack my friends on this forum though, in any way that I deem 'serious' and I WILL flag you with the forum owner...count on it, and he's not one to let folks like you get away with too much--consider yourself Warned, duly and properly.

What are my criteria for determining when you step 'over the line'?

Yeah, I'll answer that as soon as you finish serving out ice water with lemon to all the folks in Hell first.

VivisectedEngineer

Loved the points about David and Sociopathy...I'd say you nailed that one bullseye!!

Blackwinter-witch please stop calling me a troll...I already asked you politely to stop once before....and you keep harassing me.....If you refer to me as a troll one more time I will report you to the admin.

I have nothing against you and have no problems with you being here and do not wish you to harass me any more...if you continue I will ask that your account be flagged immediately.

BlackAnt

Oh, go right ahead...please do.

Of course then all your posts will be scrutinized, and if you delete them, they're still in the server archives and such.

And nice try in attempting to make me look like the instigator. However it's been tried against me and others here before--as you are trying right now--and the Admin is not a fool. My track record of behaviour around here speaks for itself--as does your lack of it in posts that have drawn the ire of others along with myself.

My track record however comes off as quite good--more people than merely myself have problems with you, as has been seen and stated in previous posts by them, and I know you've already been flagged with the Admin once, so by all means...keep it up, try your little games, such-like what you're trying in making me look like the aggressor...that is NOT new, or original, and this is the wrong place to try that insipid and inane trick.

I'll be keeping an eye on you, I have copies of all your posts as do the servers and Admin, and if you start harrassing/attacking people here again, I'll flag you, and that along with the previous Flag isn't a good thing.

So don't threaten me, you are in no position to do so with any credibility.

From here on in, I will have nothing more to do you with by way of any replies/responses.

You've been Warned, duly and properly.

Conduct yourself and mitigate your behaviour accordingly.

@BlackAnt

Dude, BlackAnt, man, can I give you a little bit of advice? This is coming from me, someone who has struggled with social skills a bit and only now, being in my mid 30's do I have a better grasp of things.

It's important to learn to read the room, man. I can tell that you are very intelligent and if I'm honest, I think your conversational style is often funny. HOWEVER, it's important to gauge what the culture/norms of a specific setting are. 

So maybe in some forums a more aggressive/antagonistic style is tolerated or encouraged. But, if multiple people here are stating that the ribbing and name-calling aren't fun for them, then maybe just dial it back, ok?

It isn't a personal judgement against you, you see? Your mildly hostile conversational style isn't inherently wrong, until such time as you persist with it when people have politely asked you to stop. 

At that point it would be ok to say "Sorry I name-called you, I was only trying to make you laugh. But now that I know you don't like that I won't do it again." 

This is really the best response in that sort of situation, although, I know it's often easier to react defensively. 

Also, I would like to say, that earlier on in the conversation I accused you of being an android incapable of feeling pain or emotions.

I would like to take this moment now, to apologize if my statement made you feel aggrieved personally or if it violated the expectations of this forum in a more general sense. 

I do not actually think that about you and it was an attempt at humor. 

I think that all of you are super cool, honestly, and that pretty neat thought provoking conversations take place here. It's just important to converse in a way that respects everyone. 

VivisectedEngineer

Excellent post, well spoken, and covered many very good points.

Nice to see cooler heads than mine prevail.

@VivisectedEngineer

That is so nice of you to say and thank you....I rarely get any praise from anyone here. 

Your apology is accepted. I am not so sure I want to apologize for any thing because honestly I think you absolutely correct about my style of communication...I would not classify it as passive/aggressive...I do genuinely like all the people here very much.....if anything I go out of my way to make sure everyone here is treated as fairly as possible. I never swear at any one and I never try to cancel any one over any ideas they may have one way or another....these are spirited debates to be sure....and I get what you are saying that some things can be said that irritate people but I never to it ever in a malicious way....however having said that maybe somethings are perceived very differently than how I intended to convey them no matter how funny I thought it might be so I apologize if anything I said might have been interpreted as disrespectful.....Cheers!

BlackAnt

To be fair, I have found some of your various points to be Interesting and thought-provoking.

And to everyone, if it seems at times like I've gone gibber-brained--I am attempting to get used to a new keyboard that has a VERY different key-feel than my previous one...so, apologies in advance if there's gibberish i don't catch and correct before hitting 'add reply'.

Great! Now that we've got all that squared away, I think it's high time we address the bonus situation. 

(And @Blackwinter-witch , I haven't noticed any gibberish myself but that may be because I'm just naturally gibber-brained.)

VivisectedEngineer

Nice reference!! lol

TRUST me, it's almost happened a few times today...the new keys are...too 'stiff'. THAT is because I am too used to an old microsoft keyboard dating back to 2001. lol Nicely 'broken in'.

Had to retire it because with all the work I do, the letters and numbers wear off the keys...tried repainting them, that lasts barely a day. lol

So, bought a new, backlit keyboard with engraved windows in the keys and such...now, the long work of getting used to it's key-feel.

But yeah....gibberish might happen during the adjustment phase.

Mk, my little-grey-brick of a cat...he does NOT trust the 'breathing lights' mouse that came with the keyboard.

Iz A L I E N. :D

I've always wondered if the Engineers that David wipes out were potentially at their biblical year zero stage in their cultral evolution... Was their a Christ-like figure in existance here upon this world (Planet 4) around about this time.

I say this because according to popular legend texts/etc., the Romans had Jesus put upon the cross & crucified. Well, if You look at all of the inhabitants looking up at the Juggernaught approaching & perform its docking manoeuvre they & their cityscape all look remarkably Roman-esque-looking. Their city looks very Florence inspired during the renaissance, yet biblical-looking at the same time. But don't forget, the Engineers were planning to come kill Humankind when the original idea was they found out one of their emissaries sent to planet Earth had been crucified so they want to erradicate them as form of punishment & retribution upon them.

Ironic that around the time David showed up fate exacting its vengence upon them judged. Not that David was to know anything had transpired prior to His arrival into the planets airspace. But how do We know this culture was behaving like the Romans to an emissary to this world whom was summarily executed off-screen.

Many of the denzines look female-like - Mary Magdalene, Mother Mary-like - biblical garb in their dress sense. This whole extermination scene is what Ours would have looked like all those thousands of years ago had the Engineers of the time from afar had been successful in their plans. 

Just curious line of thought to think of.

Given R. Scott's fascination with religion, it's just possible...

I am not so SURE that RS would have tried to make this Connect to Religion too Literally.

I think the Foremost thing to Consider is the Engineers are Space Gardeners, and what we know they did was SEED many Worlds, and then Visit them and Evolved them, both Genetically and Technologically, to Teach and Nurture their Creations.

However.... it would seem they would ONLY want to teach their Creations Limited stuff, they would NOT want their Creations to Advanced too FAR.

This could apply to their OWN Species too... the Hierarchy would want Control over their OWN kind and other Creations and so the Advanced Technology is maybe LIMITED to Certain Roles such as SEEDING of Worlds and Visiting Worlds.

Its likely that Planet 4 was kept to a more Basic Life Style and Technology but one that was more Advanced than on Earth but they kept to many Ancient Ways... like the Amish People?

Or did they ABANDON their more Advanced Ways?

I have covered my Interpretation of Planet 4 before and HOW it links to Paradise and what does Paradise mean.

In a Nutshell this place is the Cradle of Humanoid Creation and i Speculate those Engineers have Rituals where they are CHOSEN and then taken to be Sacrificed to Seed Worlds and they have Statues Erected in their Honor for their Sacrifice.  I think the Juggernauts serve better as a more Advanced way to SEED their DNA...  that then was used to SEED a World with Corrupt DNA (Deacon).

The Emissary thing is interesting, but it does-not mean we have to have a Space Jesus... that would be like saying of all of the Mythos and Religion on Earth, that the Gospel of Christ is the ONLY real Truth and its Space Jesus.

I would suspect the Engineers would have sent down a Number of Emissaries over the Years, and Jesus was just ONE of those on that Continent.

But Mankind would NOT really Listen and they Killed those Emissaries apart from a Few Cultures who did-not.. Cultures like maybe in South America and this would give reason to WHY we maybe have Star Maps that appeared after 2000 Years ago when its likely the Engineers had Stopped coming to Earth and Prepared Death for us.

BigDave

Good points, as always.

The Engineers likely have a VERY Ordered society, which might lead to what strata/castes can use what knowledge/tech.

Indeed we have to Remember that RS had called those on Planet 4 the Civilians and those on LV-223 the Military.

I think RS had mentioned some Interesting comments before, such as he claimed that he DID-NOT want to Meet God in the First Movie in relation to some of the Deleted Scenes which would suggest the Engineers in Prometheus Theatrical Cut are NOT the Hierarchy

He also calls those Engineers a few times DARK ANGELS... implying Fallen.

I recall but i cant find WHERE now that he also said those Planet 4 Engineers are the Original Engineers.  As i cant seem to Find where i thought i Heard this i could be Mistaken.

What we do know is he Referred to the Hall of Heads guys as the Apostles, Wise Men, Superior Beings and they are the Hierarchy.   And so maybe they are the GODS that RS did-not want to meet in Prometheus.

We could maybe Assume the Hall of Heads are the ELDERS who RS had removed from Prometheus but WHY?  Maybe its because RS had a intention to Redesign those Elders so maybe they would LOOK more like Planet 4 Engineers and not the Prometheus ones?

RS has said in the Past that David was a A.I that was NOT grown from a Embryo he was Born/Created Fully that Size.. this is ODD it implies that RS feels some A.I can be Grown!

When talking about AC2 he said it would be about A.I and he also said that the Replicants were A.I and so again this is Implying he thinks that any Artificially Engineered Creation regardless of Biological or Synthetic is A.I

Which brings me back to when RS had Teased about their being maybe more than ONE Robot/A.I in Prometheus, this Lead to Fans thinking could Vickers be a Robot?   I would say NO.

So there was ONLY a Single Robot? David!

From the other Comments RS has made since Prometheus it seems that RS sees that A.I does-not have to Synthetic.

If those Engineers on Planet 4 are related to the Hall of Heads Elders, but then those Engineers in Prometheus are NOT the Gods/Hierarchy.   Maybe we need to LOOK at the Difference between the Planet 4 and LV-223 Engineers.

The Prometheus Engineers look like Physically Superior Specimens, they appear to be almost Marble Like in their Skin Texture, compared to Flesh of the Planet 4 Engineers! 

The Prometheus Engineers seem to be Integrated with their Bio-Suits!  Which appear to have some Resemblance to the Xenomorph's Body.

So maybe and i Speculate that the Prometheus Engineers are a Genetically Engineered Sub-Creation of those Planet 4 Engineers, they are to those Engineers what the Replicants are to Humans.

And thus A.I..... which is maybe WHY the Engineer had Pity on his Face when he Stroked David's Hair before pulling his HEAD OFF.... the Engineer maybe knew that HE and DAVID are similar... Superior Sub-Creations that were made to Serve their Masters!

The OLD Plot for Prometheus was the Engineers had Engineered themselves to the Point they COULD-NOT go and Procreate...  and indicated they Lived for Thousands of Years.

Yet RS had suggest the Planet 4 Engineers would LIVE for about 150 Years and we can see they CAN go and Procreate and have Females and Infants.

David cant Procreate, and he can OUTLIVE his Creators.

Thats why i FEEL that David and the Engineers of LV-223 are the Same... the Same ARC!    And so what we are being shown with David on Planet 4 is maybe what the Sub-Created Engineers of LV-223 had began to do for maybe the SAME REASON!