Aliens Mistake Discovered, pointed out by BlackAnt

 @S.M

Yeah, but I think dk's point is, it's interesting to see the different ways people react to the synthetics. 

Like, on Ripley's mission his presence was unexpected. Nearly 60 years later, in Aliens, Bishops presence was very normal. Then by the time Resurrection rolls around, Autons are outlawed. It's just interesting to do a little comparative analysis on that. 

I think the supposed mistake in the scene is that the cut on Bishop's finger is on the wrong side. 

AND I think BlackAnt was making an interesting observation that Bishop was in fact able to put humans at risk, because the injury proves that his success in the knife game was not assured. 

(In another thread we were having like, a general discussion about the synthetics and that's how the whole topic came up. )

Hudson wasn't at risk though - he cut himself.

I think IF there is the Potential of a Mistake then Bishop would have been UNAWARE he would make a Mistake and so while he ONLY had Cut himself there was the SLIGHT chance he could have Cut Hudson.  We have to look at the ODDS in the Mind of Bishop for this TRICK/ACT having a Mistake and he would have Determined the RISK to Hudson being EXTREMELY LOW.

If you look at the KNIFE THROWING TRICK....  and we have all seen these surely?   The Person who is getting the Knives thrown at them is in SAFE HANDS as the Knife Thrower would be VERY SKILLFUL... so NOT many Accidents Happen.

The GREATEST RISK to the Person who is having the Knives thrown at them would come from HOW MUCH they MOVE!

And so i still think this is the most Plausible way to explain HOW it was that Bishop made a Slight Mistake.... you could Perform this Trick Flawless but you would be at Risk of Error  due to the Movement of the Persons Hands under your Own.

A long journey through the cold and dark places of the Outer Veils of fiction, and I return to find...

That not a whole lot has changed, for which I am very glad to see. The Bishop Error, I have to go with the idea of a slight error when doing the trick owing to Hudson's slight movement. It's very likely Hudson at some point had a reflexive jerk-back movement in his hand, and in compensating for such Bishop nicked his finger--possibly as a deliberate action to spare Hudson even that slight harm.

In the end, I'm still just blown away that Lance Henriksen did the trick unaided with trick photography...and the table's condition shows it. lol

Missed you all, and will be a once-again more active member as I have finally worked out some long-troubling points about working in the ALIENverse and what to pursue as a long-awaited and talked-about sequel to ALIEN: Manticore

Also, updated where folks can find my previous works, Issuu makes it easier for readers.

@Blackwinter-witch it is so amazingly lovely to see you again! It really is a feeling like returning home, isn't it?

"...possibly as a deliberate action to spare Hudson even that slight harm."

You know what, I love this theory. I think you're right, Bishop was sure to move his own hand in such a way that it would get nicked instead of Hudson's. 

(Looking forward to your latest work!!!! Also, I made some edits to one of my old stories and posted it on AO3, but maybe I should go back to the original post here, and apply the edits as well. 

...Also, as I'm a mom now and therefore a captive audience to children's media, I have begun work on a crossover between Alien and a human A.U. of The Octonauts... Please just trust me, it's going to be awesome.)

@Blackwinter-witch 

Welcome Back ;)

" I have begun work on a crossover between Alien and a human A.U. of The Octonauts... Please just trust me, it's going to be awesome"

Ha Ha Love it ;)

VivisectedEngineer

CONGRATS!!! Motherhood...Fulfillment and frustration in perfect combo!! Give all my loves to your little one!! <3

Yes, it's so much like returning hom, something very important to me now. There was an online game Battlestar Galactica Online, it was an on and off fixed-point in my life for a long time, since closed Beta...they shut it down last year, and it left me feeling 'lost'...then the old 'oxcart' Retired itself, so I felt cut-off from all my works. Long, sad story short--I am very happy to be back!! :D

With Bishop, and his personality, his minor act of self-sacrifice would be fully in keeping with him. Even were he loaded with WY sleeper routines, he'd be the type to fight them I would say.

'AO3'? Can I ask for a link? I'm somewhat behind the times, and it's so insanely hot here right now y'all are lucky I'm actually communicating in a lucid manner. lol Also, I know the temptation to go and do edits...I would suggest as and when...take it piecemeal.

Alright, trust on Octonaughts meeting the AU is given...I admit, I'm intrigued and Curious!!

Thank-you for letting me know you're looking fwd to ORIGINS...it's been on the shelf for a while...ran into a minor stall as some things just needed more development...now though, I have that figured out, and it's time to get it done and out there. :)

Let's just say that the Prometheus Expedition had the grand good luck of NOT encountering the Engineers of LV-223 prior to the Black Liquid Incident that shut everything down. ;)

BigDave

Thank-you!!

Also (HUG) to everyone here I have missed so much and I am SO happy to see are still here!!

@Blackwinter-witch

Wonderful to have you home. I'm sorry that your Battlestar Galactica game got shut down. It's very sad when important main-stays of our lives come to an end. Especially when they're our ways of connecting with others. 

I suffered a long absence myself and I've only just returned actually! And I really missed you guys! 

@BigDave & @Blackwinter-witch

Lol, thanks for your trust and well-wish on my Octonauts crossover! Without giving too many spoilers, it's an alternate universe where they're human but still have the same names, roles, and personalities as on the show. (I.e. Shellington is still a workaholic biologist with terrible piloting skills, Peso the easily spooked medical officer, Kwazii the superstitious roughneck with a criminal past. etc...) 

But they're in space instead of underwater, obviously. ...And they have an encounter with the perfect organism. And they have my sympathies. ... :)

Thank you Blackwinter-witch ! Very blessed to have my sweet little guy! He's a perfect ball of mischief. 

I already posted these here back when I wrote them (but I edited them a bit before posting on A03: 

https://archiveofourown.org/works/25769617

https://archiveofourown.org/works/25848559

(I love Ao3, it's a great place to share fan fics!) 

@VivisectedEngineer Thanks for the Welcome back, and Likewise to you of course!!

Yes, it's sad to lose it, but we had some advance warning, and the players had a chance to do something special as a commemoration before the servers went dark. Sadly-missed, and fondly-remembered.

Okay....from your little teaser...I'm Sold on the Octonauts crossover!! You really have my Curiosity going...but, NO pressure, I can haz Patience. :D

Archive of Our Own....wow, heats really cooking me. I have a profile there...should have made the connection, but when it's too hot, I just cannot think. Heading over to grab a look and Bookmark to ensure I can find my way back again! TY for the links!

XD It will take me some time to write it but the knowlege that at least one person is interested will act as motivation! 

Oh! You must be in Europe? Considering they're going through a big heat-wave right now? Sounds dreadful!

Also! I meant to reply to what you said: 

"With Bishop, and his personality, his minor act of self-sacrifice would be fully in keeping with him. Even were he loaded with WY sleeper routines, he'd be the type to fight them I would say."

Oh man, that's so true. ...I know some people say it was Bishop that brought the egg on the Sulaco... But I hadn't heard of the idea that he was loaded with sleeper routines that he would have actively tried to fight. Oh man, that's sort of sad! T_T It would make a great fic!!

Man I love Bishop. Have you read the story "Broken" by Rachel Caine? In the "Aliens: Bug Hunt" book?

Nope, live in Canada...but where we live (Alberta) the weather gets very weird owing to the Rockies on one side and massive open plains on the other, and then there's contributions from the Arctic. :D

The cast you described for your Octonauts based work, they sound Perfect for the ALIEN Universe!! I also checked out the stories you have on Archive Of Our Own, very glad I did!! Very well written Vignettes, extremely well-done in balance and tone and detail!!

Kids, hubby and I adore them, and someday we'll have some of our own to spoil/tolerate. lol Again, give your little one a big HUG from us both!

I read your reply, and have to apologize if mine seemed 'scatter brained' the heat really affects me--I am totally built for Fall and Winter, summer is a survival challenge for me. Sorry for the misunderstanding but I agree with your points on Bishop 100%

I haven't read her works, but I'll be tracking them down now that you've made me aware!

The script for ALIEN 3 had the ship boared during the trip home and W-Y folks, or a rival corp planted the egg...so...semi/quasi-cannon, and preserves Bishop's character.

Also, he had NO chance, he got ripped in half and was quite busy shortly after they arrived on Sulaco, then Ripley would have been busy looking after him via android Trauma-aid...so again, we can assert Bishop's innocence. ;)

Fun thought...Bishop's still somewhere on Fiorina, waiting to be found...and while the tech of his era wouldn't be able to make him top-line again...a few decades go by, and advanced restoration techniques...he could be better than he was when New.

Ooh, neat! Canada! That weather sounds really hard to adjust too lol. 

Omg, the Octonauts story. Yes. The cast just lends itself to an Alien story arc it's just too perfect. The story practically writes itself. And one funny thing I realized today is that Captain Barnacles on The Octonauts plays accordion, just like Captain Janek, lol. 

Yesterday and today I've been sketching up human versions of the characters with little notes on each, and I've got a few out of context scenes planned out. 

I used to just write short stories but I wrote my first multi-chapter fic this summer (not Alien based), so now I do feel confident that I will be able to bring this thing to fruition. And, the familiarity with the Octonauts will not be a necessary prerequisite! It will work as it's own stand-alone Alien story. (But, if you read my story and then later watch the Octonauts the familiarity may be a bit uncanny and unsettling!) I'll let you know when it's done! XD I'm actually super excited about it... 

Thank you for your kind words and for checking out my stories on the archive! :D

I will for sure give my little guy a big hug from you guys! 

I'm glad that we can agree that Bishop's character is preserved because I honestly love him and I love your idea that he's still out there somewhere and will get repaired someday :,-)

VivisectedEngineer

Canadian weather--depends on where you live really. Frankly I have always liked how changeable and mercurial Alberta weather is, but depending on one's tastes, one can find pretty much any desired/comfortable climate range in Canada.

I re-read the post you made about the characters, and I absolutely agree with you that they are PERfect for the ALIEN universe!! I am greatly looking fwd to your Octonauts work! But, I will be patient, and tend my own realms while waiting. Love the accordian connection between the characters...

Also, fun note, the gun props for the laser pistols in ALIEN and the gun prop used in Star Wars ep4 where Kenobi takes off that guy's arm in the Cantina...same make and model of real-world gun. Finally looked that up--it's been rattling around in my head for years.

Sounds like the work is coming along nicely! I can't sketch beyond stick-figures, but like you I Build Characters so I have a reference as to Who They Are. I think you'd agree it's one of the really fun things about writing. :D

I started off with shorts myself, most folks do...gotta crawl, then walk, then run after all. As you say, the smaller works and progressing to bigger ones lends confidence, takes time but Worth It obviously. I've written in ALIEN, Blade Runner, and have assorted Original Realms short pieces in my vast semi-organized 'library'.I'll be dusting off the Blade Runner works soon as I am connecting BR to ALIEN...took a while to work out the wrinkles, but it works and quite well.

I am looking fwd to reading your story THEN checking out Octonauts...just for that 'uncanny and unsettling' feeling!! To me, that'll be a really cool side-bonus!

You are most welcome! I realized when I read the story about Walter that I did read it long ago and THAT story of yours is why I wrote The Resolution Of Walter...your work inspired me so much I could not ignore it! :D

Good, extra loves for kids are always a good thing. :D

I am roughing out an idea for Bishop, and while I do have to make some alterations regarding Timeline Incidents to fit what I've established in my works...they're not huge, make more sense, and open the door for Bishop to be found and restored/rebuilt. ;)

Like Walter...I just cannot leave him alone out there...he (like Walter) is too good a character to just 'dump' by the wayside.

Yeah there might be some overthinking there. Say that you make a movie, the more scenes that you have the bigger the possibility there is that you might get inconsistencies. It depends on how much it affects the story but what is being brought up here is so minuscule so it really doesn't matter as far as the big picture is concerned even thought some people find it worthy to discuss.

Thoughts_Dreams Fair point. I think there has been a lot of overthinking on this forum for years, and that's what fans do. It's interesting and fun. It has also proven way more interesting to me than the last official Alien installment. Sometimes anticipation and speculation is better than the main event.

If anyone posts a turd of a topic like I did last night, it simply sinks into the abyss. No problem. We move on.

I have to say, it's knowing that there's all the Overthinkers and Minutiae-hunters that are responsible for my motivation--in combined effect with my own pride in my work--to make things as 'perfect' as I can in my works.

Granted, perfection is a journey, never a destination, but I know there's EYES looking for even the tiniest error in continuity and such.

...and yeah, I'm an overthinker/minutiae-hunter myself!! lol

Blackwinter-witch

Maybe that is a good thing when you try to write, to have it make as much sense as possible. Wouldn't there be a risk that it would take too long to get finished if you get stuck too much in details? To try and make things as good as possible is fine and is something that is worth to strive for but you got to finish things too. It kind of depends on what it's about both when it comes to writing and life in general, at least that's how I look at it.

DK: I also think that it depends on how important it is to the story if it's worth to think about. Take for example what happened to Dallas, he went down into the air-ducts and got caught by the Xeno. We didn't see what happened to him but still that's a detail that's important since he was the captain so they lost their leadership. Bishop got that injury and it shows that he was an android but that doesn't affect the story as much, he would still be an android and do what he did no matter if he got injured or not. Maybe Ripley would find out sooner or later that he wasn't a human anyways.

"Sometimes anticipation and speculation is better than the main event."

I agree, maybe that has been the case with what ever alien related movie after Alien 3. Initially I just wrote Covenant but it could maybe be argued that it would apply to any movie after Alien 3 even though I'm not sure.

Thoughts_Dreams

You raise a good point, and one I agree with. I do my best, and I know that the end result is not and never will be Perfect.

But, I do know when I hit the point that I know in my bones I just can not make a work any better and it's time to finish it and get it out for people to read and enjoy, perfection be damned.

That's part of being a writer--strive for Perfection, knowing you'll never reach it, knowing that at a certain point you have done all and as best you can, and aware of the fact that weeks or months later you'll have a Great Idea...but it's like the barn doors closing after the horses have run out. lol

Honestly, I really think based on personal experience that one has to be something of a masochist to be a writer. lol