Alien Franchise: What is On or Off the Table and Why?

Leto:

"I am not going to get into an argument, I will only say 2 facts..."

That's fine, I'm not mad at you. I just think that the discussion is interesting.

I agree with the first one, faith is personal.

1 Religion is a set of rules that has got to do with some beliefs in a God and a lot of them usually don't have a lot to do with if it exists or not. You don’t need rituals or to gather in some place with others to believe in a spirit or whatever you might think that it is.

2 Science is without a doubt better as a way to understand things than old books or believe in what ever unseen thing in the sky. When it comes to science you try to gather information in a way that makes sense and using that as a foundation to come up with conclusions. You can believe in a God that has created our ideas and so on to try to understand our world that it has created, I don’t say that I believe in God just to be clear. Now I might understand what you say, the core word here seems to be believe. Science is what we have to understand the world, I don’t think that believe is a good word to describe it.

I'd rather avoid religion and matters of faith when it comes to exploring strange alien ruins or cultures, but I do like it when you consider, YOU, the humans inflict your religious ideas upon these poor alien monsters, despots, killer creatures and whatnot. When you ask the religious question, 'why am I here' 'does God exist' you get the answer you dreaded. 'Nope don't care, never heard of em, sorry' not only are you promptly expunged, but you had your faith crushed aswell!  I think that's acceptable in the alien universe. :-)

Dhogmeat:

You can have it as a part of the movie but you don’t need to, there are many things that affect humans that could work as a part of the story. I like how they dealt with the religious thing in Alien 3 or their ideas about God if you want to call it so but the prisoners could have dealt with that in another way or the themes could have been different (imagine if they had a traditional script). They tried some sort of idea about God to become better people.

You can have existential questions without throwing in religion into the mix, people have different ways to deal with life. Making it work in a movie depends on the writing and what parts that you put in. Having your faith crushed in the alien-verse seems to fit because bad things happen and people die.

BlackAnt cheer up, mate. This thing is going to last so we have to learn to live with it.

If it will last another two years I won't be surprised to see some people worship it, find some reason for its existence and so on.

Just wear the face mask, wash your hands and don't hug anybody else except your friends here, on this forum. If you could help somebody in a more desperate situation than yourself, you will feel a lot better.

Sharpen you survival instincts.

We'll get over it. And if we don't, maybe it is for the best. There's nothing good on the horizon, so let's  do the best of today.

Leto

'In Space No One Can Help You'

Awesome!! That is just...Grade-A perfect!!

BlackAnt

All darkness carries a spark of Light. ((HUG))

Roger G:

“Should Ripley have prayed to some God in that struggle moment?”

That would have been a very bad idea if you ask me. Any reasonable person would answer that she should fight for her life and even if she would have been religious. Prayer, if there is a God and if it does what ever it feels like then what's the point of praying anyways? It seems to me that prayer at best is a way of trying to calm down.

We can't be 100% sure if there is a God, and we can't be 100% sure if there is an afterlife but we know that we exist here and now. I'm taking some sort of middle-approach, having said that I'm not a fan of when people get together and say that This is what we believe in based on some God.

Thank you for the love and hugs - some of my most priceless possessions.

PART ONE.

Intuition of the damned, "The devil is always in the details."

In the Alien MOVIES, the depictions of these creatures are that of "half organic and that of half machine." Which is which and what is what is indiscernible. However it is important to note humans / the living are always their prey and what they devour literally.

Demons take on many forms as do these aliens through possession. This is a very advanced alien technology not of mankind! Do not think you know what it does or even think you can attempt to say what it really is or is not - this is a depiction of an evil God....we can only judge by its actions that it makes  folly of all mankind! That and the fact that even though this is fiction there are elements of the story so demonic in nature you would have to be possessed by a demon/demons deceiving others on purpose into believing that none of this is true.....and yet there are just too many distinct parallels where these movies transcend into works of what?

These movies are about demonic possession - judge for yourselves.

"Demonic possession involves the belief that a SPIRIT or ENTITY controls a person's actions." This definition makes no attempt to say what it looks like or in what form the transformation of the flesh becomes.

Dictionary,

Demon:

"an evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell."

Everything in all of these movies - the purpose of them is to torment you the viewer - no character in all of these movies has a good outcome! BEWARE NONE WHO ENTER MAKE IT TO SALVATION! Darkness triumphs in all these movies.

So from the logos, "the principle of divine reason," we see that H.R. Giger's face hugger takes "possession," of Kane and through the implantation....a most evil DEMON / THE ALIEN bursts taking with it part what remains of Kane. It is impossible for us to know what the DEMON has taken from Kane! As the audience we go along with this willingly? What are we sacrificing then for this revelation and journey?

AC, David's perfect creation, the idle hands of the devil's workshop - The ALIEN / THE DEMON'S objective is to destroy all of HUMANY - David, "ALL THE MEAT IF YOU WILL," right? 

These Demons are meant to destroy all humanity... 

 These movies are and have always been about the occult - every moment of them is about religion and every aspect and every second of every film is about what kind of faith you have or choose not to have. 

These movies posits that we are already in hell and have always been here? When and where did we cross the threshold? or are we being asked to cross in through a gate?

The gate may be a real one or logical - both shall suffice! What have we been offered?

PART TWO.

You might wonder what does Lucifer's name mean???? Be careful with this one - all of you.

Lucifer:

"the original Hebrew word means shining one, light-bearer."

Lucifer - THE BEARER OF LIGHT.

These movies are all about specific kinds of passages - GATEWAYS opening forth into different PARTS OF HELL - BEWARE - AS YOU ENTER FOR YOU MAY NEVER LEAVE.

ALIEN WAS ALWAYS ABOUT A WARNING! CORRECT - it is the very purpose for the movie. MUTHR wakes them up because of the warning, they go down to the surface because of the warning, and no one heeds the warning - ASH, a later model android after David deceives the crew because of the warning!

KANE, "COME HERE HAVE A LOOK AT THIS, WE MUST PROCEED!"

You all were meant to be here to have opened this gateway. You have all already opened this gate; but, a gate into what? You all have been deceived all of you.

Some of  you have been studying this gateway for a very long time with much admiration!

This was all meant to happen - Ripley, "MUTHR SAYS THIS IS A WARNING," 

Ash, "I MEAN BY THE TIME THEY GET THERE THEY WILL KNOW IF IT IS A WARNING OR NOT."...you are all meant to be deceived by design....it is only a movie or is it? WHAT HAVE ALL OF YOU ENTERED INTO AND FOR HOW LONG? Some of you know very well exactly what I am talking about and some of you do not.

Let us now all have no more illusions then about what we all know to be true and more importantly who we all are then.

Part of the Nostromo's crew goes into that Alien ship where something clearly takes possession of Kane....then the DEMON comes out and devours the crew one by one. Of course we as in the audience are also taken into the ship. We as as in the audience willingly go through the gate with them. What comes out of the the ship from the passage of the threshold of these metaphorical gates?

PART THREE.

Keep hold about this idea of the "illumination" aspect of all these works - AND BEHOLD!

WATCH CAREFULLY FOR ALL OF THE "ILLUMINATION." IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE WAITING FOR ALL OF YOU. ALL YOU NEED BUT DO NOW IS SEE IT FOR YOURSELF FOR IT IS EVERYWHERE! 

BEHOLD LUCIFER THE BEARER OF LIGHT.

BEHOLD! THE BEARER OF LIGHT THE ILLUMINATION WITHIN.

BEHOLD THE DECIPLES!

The disciples are bearers of light and illuminate the path.

The scene is well lighted and yet we still see the bearer / bearers of light show us the path to further illumination.

BEHOLD AND ENDING WITH EMENSE ILLUMINATION!

JOIN US?

Behold the beast!

PART FOUR.

BEHOLD FOR MAN FORSAKES GOD IN GOD'S IMAGE TO CREATE A GOD LIKE BEING IN HIS OWN IMAGE MAKING A MOCKERY OF GOD'S WORK! 

DAVID IS PETER WEYLAND'S SON NOT BORN OF WOMAN.

DAVID STATES WEYLAND HIS CREATOR, "YOU WILL DIE AND I WILL LIVE."

DAVID IS THE IDOLIC EMBODIMENT OF THE DEBASEMENT OF GOD'S CREATION - MAN. THIS IS MEANT TO MOCK GOD AND DECIEVE ALL OTHER MEN.

DAVID GETS RIGHT TO THE CONDEMNATION WEYLAND AND GOD, "IF YOU MADE ME THEN WHO MADE YOU."

DAVID IMPLIES GOD'S CREATION IS NOT AS WORTHY AS DAVID, "YOU WILL DIE AND I WILL LIVE."

WEYLAND HAS MADE HIS DEAL WITH THE DEVIL TO POSSESS DAVID'S GOD LIKE POWERS IF ONLY EFEMORALLY. HOW DOES WEYLAND'S DEAL TURN OUT FOR HIM - DAVID LEADS HIM TO HIS DEATH NOT HIS SALVATION. THIS IS ONLY A MOVIE. WE CAN ONLY MAKE OUT THE TRUTH FROM SHADOWS WITHIN THE SHADOWS. WE ARE CONCEARNED WITH OUTCOMES NOT PETTY MISTAKES WHETHER THEY BE FICTIONAL OR LITTERAL 

AC - OPENING ACT - THIS IS BY DESIGN YOU WERE ALL MEANT TO BE DECIEVED - THE IDEA OF POSSESSION IS PUT FORTH FOR YOU AS AN OFFERING, THE ACT OF CONTROLING ANOTHER BEING - "ENTITY."...WEYLAND ACTS DEMONICALLY....AND ILLUMINATES THE PATH.

THE POSSESSION BEGINS FIRST THING IN THE MOVIE, WEYLAND, "BRING ME THE TEA DAVID"

DAVID PAUSES, WELAND MORE STERNLY WITH MORE EMPHSIS "BRING ME THIS TEA DAVID!!!"

DAVID CONTINUES TO DECIEVE AND DESTROY ALL THOSE THAT CROSS HIS PATH. THE DEVIL DEVOURS WHOLE. THE MOVIES DEPICTS THIS AS FICTION AND YET THE PARALLELS ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT.

WHAT ARE DAVID'S INTENSIONS FOR THE CREW ON AC.....WHAT DID HE DO TO DR. SHAW WHO BEARS A CROSS OF THE CRUCIFICTION.....HE DISSECTS HER AND DEBASES GOD'S CREATION MAKING ANOTHER TYPE OF DEVIL GOD TO MAKE FOLLOY OF ALL MANKIND.

DAVID HAS CONTEMPT FOR ALL MANKIND - DAVID IS THE DEVIL AND HAS CONTEMPT FOR GOD!

BEHOLD THE HORNS OF THE BEAST AND THE MANY EYES AND THE SOULS TRAPPED IN HELL FOR ETERNITY!

BEHOLD SATANS GRIP UPON THE WORLD!

LUCIFER THE BEARER OF LIGHT! 

BEHOLD THE GATE OF HELL YOU HAVE ALL ENTERED AND THAT OF WHICH YOU HAVE NOW CONCIEVED!

THE GATE IS A PASSAGE TO THE DEMONS BEYOND THE THRESHOLD ILLUMINATED!

40 YEARS IS ALMOST HALF A CENTURY - THIS IS A LONG TIME TO BE INTERESTED IN SUCH A FICTIOUS STORY NOT ABOUT ANYTHING TO DO WITH REGLION?

THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE DECIEVERS, THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN DECIEVED, AND THOSE OF YOU WHO WHO ARE WITNESS TO THIS ILLUMINATION, AND THOSE OF YOU WHO CONTINUE ON WITH THIS WORK.

PART FIVE. 

BEHOLD! ONCE YOU HAVE ENTERED BEYOND THESE GATES IT IS TOO LATE TO EVER TURN BACK. BEWARE OF THESE GATES AND THEIR THRESHOLDS.

THE PATH OF SALVATION IS A NARROW PASSAGE AND THE PATH OF DAMNATION IS WIDE.

THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT COMMANDMENT,

MOSES SAID ONTO THE ISREALITES, THOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GOD BEFORE THE ONE TRUE GOD!

"THOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GOD BEFORE THE ONE TRUE GOD....AT WHICH THRONE DO YOU WARSHIP AND TO WHAT DO YOU ALL WARSHIP?"

BlackAnt 

the quarantine has been broken in all our cities and been infected with this dark Spector - this killer....it keeps taking everything from all of us slowly and silently - day by day....for me there is an evilness to it all - no where to hide - no ship to even escape to....something you cannot quite see but you know it is there lurking in the darkness waiting for you to make your mistake with it.

Wow- that is an interesting statement that directly sums up Alien. It's almost poetic. 

But we'll get through it. The killer really isn't evil- playing it down and deliberate mismanagement is.

dk,

Yes it is all too real! and so is the illumination of it! Why would so many go out of there way to hide so much from the masses....yes dk! YES FOR GOD SAKE YES THE DELIBERATE global mismanagement of it all those that go out of their way way to down play it.

Some of you are strong! Some of you outright deceivers!

You are so optimistic dk, I sure could do with some of that....it would be most welcome for a change.

Dhogmeat What is interesting for at least the Quadrilogy, is that some of the religion/faith themes were there but weren't too on the nose- A3 obviously was though. They were treated in a way that viewers could dive into and get deep in the weeds while others could see it more superficially while still enjoying the movies.

BlackAnt 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty5bXad0dZI

DK

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Do not give into the dark side!!!!

Everyone knows now don't they!

....why do you think the founder and owner of Rothmahnn Biokinetics Gmbh is named...

Thaddeus

Lucifer

Rothmahnn

That name was not taken from the previous posts, I named that character over a year ago when developing the origins of my Chimerans.

Imagine him offering an apple to a 5 year old Lyllith...

I may have missed such contributions but this is the first time I have seen a connection made between the Sars-CoV2 outbreak and Alien. 

I said some while ago that I went back and read my own work to see whether in the "all about everything" nature of the themes they had an application. I mentioned two but on reflection, there are more:-

1) The reason the story of Prometheus gets going is because of Peter Weyland's desire for more life.

The reason that mankind is seen as vulnerable as an entire community is that the Virus is fatal to the elderly who are being kept alive on an industrial scale in Aged Care Facilities, looked after poorly paid Immigrant Workers who with multiple jobs have in many locations brought the Virus into the workplace. Everyone dies in the real and imagined world.

2) Fifield the loudmouth know all cannabis smoking idiot is killed because he has no sense of direction. The Mutagen passed through his face mask.

If everyone washed their hands, hospitality had at-seat service and stayed at home when they were ill transmission would ease. Masks are meant to be worn by surgeons for 90 minutes to protect their patients. They don't work but why argue just wear them and ideally a face shield and gloves in enclosed areas?

3) Elizabeth driven by hubris goes in search of her Roman Catholic God.

In New Zealand and South Korea, cluster transmission has broken out in faith-based communities who argue with the science wishing to put their faith in God. 

4) In Part 11 Elizabeth and David discover that 'sin' is introduced into 'paradise' by tagging for control purposes.

The greatest experiment mankind has ever undertaken is under weigh with the introduction of the concept of Locking Down and tagging through apps. 

5) The denouement of part 11 is an argument between a rational approach which requires "Sacrifice." and a hubristic reinvention spurred on by confusion and delusion.

Sars-CoV 2 will play out it's not as deadly as Spanish Flu and kills between 1,2,3 times influenza. It is folly to think we need to destroy our way of lives to save a small number of people. The way forward is not a perfect solution it is the least worse one.

Elizabeth given the chance will destroy creation and remake it.

But to return to the beginning we think we are the centre of the Universe and can solve all problems we cannot we are a small footnote buffeted by disease, natural disasters and many other things. What we can bring to the dark confines of empty space is the ultimate paradox a love of one another. Love is essentially about putting others before ourselves. In my story in order to make the Origin Engineers remake their Covenant everyone intimately involved has to be sacrificed.

In the real world, we simply need to protect the elderly and comorbid and the rest have the right to either get on with their lives or not and accept that some will die its what we do.              

Clinging on to life, hubris and reordering everything is at the root of the real and imagined world.

Michelle Johnston

VERY well stated and extremely well thought-out!!

I still need to re-read it a few times...I'm having problems with comprehension--which is extremely annoying--so I am taking your post in small bites, but it's very intellectually 'Tasty'!

BWW

First my comment about your posts and now your comment in reference to to Michelle Johnston, about the consumption of thoughts gave me a moment of levity thinking there could be a monster lurking in this digital domain gorging itself off the more interesting ideas.

There was a story about big corporations some time ago feeding off of consumer data. I imagine that that same data monster could be here slowly devouring the more densely nutrient rich ideas LOOOOOL,

LMAO, here of course is what the other monster looks like and naturally it must have spawned others similar to it to feed off other internet sites.

"

No Such Thing as 'immaculate Conception'.

Facehuggers are rape-machines, pure and simple...there's nothing immaculate there at all."

It's a metaphor.