Alien 5 is “completely dead”

"One is a director that is tired of the monster so it's just shown fast, he is interested in David so we get scenes that are dragged out"

Yeah there was Quite a LOT to the PLOT and they would have a Run-Time to try and FIT it all in, and it seemed RS was NOT a Fan of the Monsters he wanted a BIGGER STORY to be Told and a LOT of that would Revolve through David which i know some Fans are NOT that into.

I get the Impression that RS was NOT really a FAN of making a Prometheus Sequel into a Monster Movie, it seemed Creation, Rebellion and other Themes are WHAT he wanted to Cover and it would seem the LACK of Screen Time for the Engineers is NOT really what he would have Wanted... but its a Result of the STUDIO wanting to make the Prometheus Sequel become a Trilogy Series to then Connect to ALIEN and so the Xenomorph would have to come into Play and looking at HOW you have to have the Xenomorph Creation and then HOW it gets onto LV-426 with a Time-Line where there would be NO Xenomorphs as of 2095 meant they had to Shoe-Horn a lot into the Movie, which included bringing in more HUMANS and this is HENCE why our Planet 4 was so CLOSE to Earth.

I think that many Movies have Throw Away Characters who are Required for PLOT DEVICES and to Allow Certain Part of the Plot to Unfold.  Unfortunately if you cant get Good Character Development then you just WONT CARE about the Death of Certain Characters.  When you are doing a Action/Horror then its NOT that Easy to have say 5-8 Characters you can Really Connect with. Prometheus was NOT so Bad.... but again the Characters who you could Connect with NEEDED more Screen Time and with Alien Covenant well you just could NOT go and Connect with MOST of the Characters.

Its a Problem with you have say 2-3 other Characters you Connect with (who have Less Screen Time) more than the Main 2 Characters (not Inc David/Walter).

AVPR may have not done too Good at the Box Office, but its a Shocking Bad Movie, that is something you just cant go and watch more than 2-3 Times...

"New things are welcome if you ask me"

It seemed this was what RS had in Mind before the STUDIO felt you had to have the Xenomorph, and they could have had Similar and Changed it but it seems the STUDIO felt you had to have Xenomorphs and with TRYING to do something NEW its a Case of Certain Fans will EXPECT to have Xenomorphs and for those to NOT be Changed too much......  The Studio also thinking this is WHAT the Fans want.

I Fear if we get a TV Series or Movie then the Xenomorph will be WHAT they think has to PLAY a Big Part and its a Case of IF they have New Things would those be about Engineers, Different Horrors, Different Worlds/Races?

I doubt it NOW... so it be Basically similar to Alien-Alien 4 etc but maybe they would DELVE into the Company and WHY they want the Xenomorph more.

The Xenomorph is Iconic... i just Wonder as to HOW OFTEN can you just Rinse and Repeat?

I think there are Avenues for a ALIEN V they just have to give it some Thought ;)

You could come to like Nearly Full Circle.

BD

It isn't wrong to try to expand the franchise (Engineers for example) but to try to turn it into a tale of a mad robot is a really bad direction. I wouldn't care to watch it if someone had told me that it was the direction that they would take Covenant into. Ridley just screws things up when he’s trying to interfere with the story, so he should stay away from it, but I guess that Fox also had a role in messing it up. Yea I don't think that's what Scott wanted, but maybe it would have been better as a movie on its own or make another franchise. The themes mean nothing if the story and characters don't work, although having the themes in an alien-movie isn't wrong in itself, but you got to execute it well, which AC didn't.

You mention throw-away characters, but most of them were like that in Covenant except for Oram, David, Daniels (maybe), and Walter. Lope could be brought up, but he doesn't count to me since he had no personality even though he had some screen-time but so have the storm-troopers in Star Wars. :D Prometheus had the same problem, you mention that Prometheus wasn't that bad, but I disagree. Prometheus and Covenant have a lot of the same problems, the main thing is that Prometheus doesn't have a mad robot as the creator of the monster.

"The Studio also thinking this is WHAT the Fans want."

A reason why the studio should just finance it and not have a say in the story. Money matter but if you get someone that understands writing you increase your chances to get a good movie. The studios seem to have that backwards, and maybe that's why we get what we get, at least sometimes.

I would rather see new monsters and the Engineers rather than to repeat the same thing again and again (more Xenos, another Derelict, and so on). You mention a TV-series, if they will just focus on the Xeno then they might just forget it. Didn't Saw do the same thing? Jigsaw returning seven times, whatever number of movies they did. Get someone that can expand the franchise and move away from what we've seen a lot of times.

The Xenomorph is Iconic... i just Wonder as to HOW OFTEN can you just Rinse and Repeat?”

Maybe if you make something tied to the Engineers you can take that and spin it into a different direction but keeping that dread? Keep the theme of people getting into situations that they are not prepared for mentally, or what kind of equipment they have. In case you will have them fighting against androids they should be a part of a company run by humans, but the androids is not what it should be about. To put it in a different way, there can be androids, but they shouldn't be what it's about.

That seems to be a mix of a zombie survival (dead abandoned city) movie mixed with Alien meets transformers. X vengeance sounds like Transformers X - Vengeance of Megatron.

You mean that the Engineers used the goo on themselves to evolve? Interesting, I look at the upper image.

"I would rather see new monsters and the Engineers rather than to repeat the same thing again and again"

I think that YES what RS was trying to do with Prometheus was to EXPAND the Franchise to STEER AWAY from the Xenomorph the Vanilla-Morph, this does-not mean there would NOT have been Horrors... just they would have LIKELY been Different to the Xenomorph.   The Engineers Plot does OPEN UP the Potential for MANY WORLDS..... Many Races and Conflicts.

In Regards to the OT.... its looking at WHERE do they GO with the Franchise?

Before the Prequels we are LED to Conclude (Theatrically)

LV-426 = Xenomorph Eggs, LV-426 = Destroyed, Ripley = Last Queen =Dead!

Thus 200 Years after they CLONE her to Obtain a Queen, the EVENTS of AR would = Destroyed USM Auriga  and THUS..... No Xenomorphs!

So it seems that Blomkamp and Giler/Hill had got into a Pickle.. as to HOW can we have a ALIEN MOVIE with what we Assume the Derelict Gone?

Blomkamp seemed to indicate that Humans do Recover either the Derelict or they Discover another SHIP..... his PLOT had Potential.....  and Originally it was to NOT have Ripley, but after he Pitched it to Miss Weaver then he Changed the STORY so that Ripley and Co would all have Survived and THUS it would Remove the Movies Alien 3 and Alien R from Canon!

I dont agree with that Direction.........

Ridley Scott with Prometheus had FELT we had seen the Xenomorph enough and it was TIME to Explore the Space Jockey Race and the Engineers Plot became a Reality and this was a Interesting way to EXPAND the Franchise.

The Change of the PLOT to make a Literal Chronological Set of Prequels to ALIEN was a Mistake..... and AC has left the Franchise in a Pickle...

IF you are LOOKING to make a 5th ALIEN MOVIE then you have to ASK as to WHERE can you GO and the Prequels are Canon (intended) and so they DO GIVE OPTIONS to HOW you can Explore the Franchise.

The Problem comes with FANS and IF they are ONLY going to want to see the Return of the Vanilla-Morph and if we go that Route then we can ASK?

1) Is the Derelict Totally Void as FAR as Obtaining a Specimen? 

It would have to be some Hundreds of Years after the Destruction of Hadleys Hope but you could go back to LV-426 and try and Recover the Derelict and then its HOW VIABLE are the Eggs and can you TRY and Obtain a Xenomorph from what is left?  This seems in Part what Blomkamps Idea was and the Red Harvest Project.

2) Was the Derelict the ONLY such Ship to have been Loaded with Eggs?

And so if there were Others then WHERE are THEY?

3) If we accept Alien Covenant as Canon, then there are Eggs on Planet 4.

And the Engineers will LIKELY be Returning and so WHAT do they THINK about those Eggs?  Would they TAKE them somewhere and would that ONLY lead to LV-223/426?

4) Could the Company Obtain a Xenomorph or Engineer something from the Dead Face Huggers on Fury 161?

But a way around that would be that Ripley got the Prisoners etc to DESTROY it all.

5) After the Destruction of the USM Auriga has some of the Wreckage Survived? and can they Obtain a Specimen from the DNA of anything related to the Xenomorph?

And so those are a FEW Examples of HOW you can BRING BACK the Xenomorph, you dont have to Reboot/Retcon anything.

"You mean that the Engineers used the goo on themselves to evolve? Interesting, I look at the upper image."

You have to LOOK at what they was doing!

The PLOT is about Creation, and Playing God, and Immortality and if you look at Weyland then surely he would WANT to Discover a WAY to Extend his Life.... i am sure in 5000 Years that Humans would LIVE for Longer than 80-100 Years.. with Advancements in Technology/Medicine etc.

The Xenomorph as a Efficient Pest Control is NOT that Ideal....

The Engineers are said to have been using LV-223 and the Black Goo as something they can WIPE the Slate Clean and RESET a World.

They already Possessed the PERFECT TOOL for that Job!

The LV-223 Engineers looked more Enhanced than Planet 4 and they also had that Pressure Suit that seemed to be Fused with their Bodies and has some Aesthetic of the Xenomorph and so its LIKELY they had Engineered this from something they was Experimenting on.

They could have ENCOUNTERED a Organism they HAD-NOT been Involved in the Creation of and SAW some Potential in this Organism for some Reason and they BEGAN to Experiment with this Organism..... which maybe Predates the Deacon etc.

If we look at RIPLEY 8 then she appears to be the most Perfect Humanoid we have seen, she can Regenerate, she has Greater Strength and Speed than a Human.  But the KICKER.... she seemed to HAVE some of the Memories of RIPLEY.

She is in a WAY a Reincarnation of Ripley but in a more Enhanced Form.

If the ORIGINS to the Xenomorph/Deacon etc was a Organism which we see EVENTUALLY had Led to RIPLEY 8 then this would OFFER the Engineers a way to Enhance themselves and also to have like a Pseudo Resurrection/Rebirth.

So you can LOOK BEYOND the Xenomorph as just a KILLING MACHINE. By Uplifting the Origins of where it came from (MURAL/FRESCO) in Prometheus.