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@BigDave: I'm interested to know why the MURAL as a GOD-like being the Engineers Worship doesn’t sit quite right for you (it doesn't for me either)?

@ignorantGuy

And a happy new year to you. 

What has been fascinating this year is to see the themes of the work echoed in others. 

Soji in Picard has the same dilemma as Elizabeth; the guardian weighs Captain Georgiou in the same way that my guardian’s tests David. But most pleasing Discovery has slowed down and Burnham thinks and talks about her experiences in the same way as Elizabeth.

However, watching the prologue to Covenant in the fan adjusted combination reminded me how close David was to the truth "every step is fraught with tragedy, power is an illusion, they are false gods." As David makes those remarks you can see the Nativity the birth of a unique personality with a character pointing to a hole in the roof and through it can be seen... Paradise where all the answers lay. 

I have begun my original work I just need to discipline myself but inevitably in some ways, this year is distracting and so the occasional rewrite to a chapter of P: F.G. comes more easily. That is not a bad thing as I learn hopefully to become a better writer. 

Thank you as always for your enthusiasm.   

You don’t need a locked down computer to browse this site. As with all websites, use your common sense and watch out for suspicious messages inviting you to install or update software on your computer.

One thing I would say is that alien-covenant.com needs its own TLS certificate for its login page. Whilst not being a simple thing to exploit, a man-in-the-middle attack can sniff any password that you enter in a login page if there is no padlock symbol being shown in the browser.

How do we know it is really fixed? There can be a lot of hidden code in any of the links.....

Key loggers, everything bad! I hope Chris had a back up of the site without the malicious code. Then he put the back up in the place of the site without there being any chance there could be any bad code on the site right now.

Dare I say it people watch your computers for while and reload your operating systems. I am not sure as to why these hackers would just put a password harvesting malware on a blog like this so it makes no F! IN G sense.

I think we have a more involved thing going on. That being said just watch your computers and anything you doing on your client computer at your houses could be compromised by doing anything at this site.

So like everything in life it is a risk. Best practice is to surf to this website only from a computer that nothing can happen to...in other words you have no sensitive information on that system. This was meant to look like a novice attacked the site....however, with pros you would have never known anything was different in the first place and that is the only reason why I am even making this post right now....however I could be wrong so everyone lets work together and be vigilant and report anything wrong instantly to the admins!!!!!!

Dillion is an interesting and rich character whose redemption arc was stunted in the cinematic cut. 

The Assembly Cut has some great extra scenes that better hint at his personality and the Brotherhood he was forging.

They were all outcast, but here they had company and a place, no matter who they had been and what they had done. 

It was Dillon's way of clinging to the hope that he was not beyond redemption, and not so far gone from civilization that even the worst of the worst inmates would not accept him. This is projected onto other inmates as a 'Code amongst thieves'

Absolutely, BigDave. No matter what happens with Disney at the helm, the back story of the Engineers and their history will always be there to be pondered. Dr Shaw asked the question herself: "Who created them [the Engineers]?"

To my mind, a few scenes in Prometheus give a very clear indication that the Engineers are a religious sort who revere their origins. The drinking of the sacrificial goo in a religious ceremony; the monk-like attendants; the "font" and sculpted mural in the Head Room featuring a very xeno-like form. These are the kinds of thing you see in a church. But rather than kneeling to the power of Christ, the Engineers look up to the form of the Xenomorph. You wouldn't praise something you created yourself. Ergo, the xeno, or the technology that allows it to exist, is something that pre-dates the Engineers.

So, why not? A creature and/or race of beings much older than the Engineers. Perhaps billions of years old from a time when stars with heavy elements began to seed the cosmos with the building blocks of life.

What if that race still existed somewhere, perhaps in another galaxy? All manner of havoc could be being wreaked.

@Hox

Indeed ;)  for the Most Part we see Nut being associated with Protecting the Dead, Ensuring a Safe Transition to the AFTER-LIFE.

Also the Derelict looks like some of the Egyptian Funeral Barges 

So we have a Influence Aesthetically but is there more to it than that?   If so then HR Giger maybe had some idea that the SHIPS were in someway a VESSEL to allow for some Species to Attain a After-Life

Which when you look at ALIEN DC and well go back to the STARBEAST idea then this is kind of what we see, the EGG MORPH is a Rebirth!

This is something i have brought up a bit in the Past and also this Year.   With the STARBEAST Plot there are NO Adults remaining NOT on the World that had the Temple of the Young/Egg/Spores....  if the Starbeast are a Species that do DIE... but at the END of their Life-Cycle they can EGG-MORPH a Host... to allow for RESURRECTION.

Then the EGGS being Carried on the Derelict and the unused MURAL by HR Giger would Certainly Connect to some of the Death Mythos of Ancient Egypt etc.

Which is WHY i have mentioned before that Alien Resurrection could be a KEY to a Expanded Alien Mythology/History.   You see with RIPLEY 8 we have in essence our Ellen Ripley being Resurrected with some of her Memories.. this is due to the XENOMORPH in some way.

So if the Starbeast can Egg-Morph a Host and this Egg can HOLD the Genetic Memory of the Starbeast then THIS would indeed give the Species Resurrection and a AFTER-LIFE/IMMORTALITY of Sorts..

For a Race like the Engineers and indeed Mankind then HOW/WHY this Happens (Starbeast Resurrection) would be the HOLY GRAIL to the Engineers/Mankind a Possible Solution to CHEAT DEATH.

And so in Context to the OT... then YES i think you can Incorporate this to EXPAND the Franchise/Plot by having a Primordial Alien Race that are connected to the Xenomorph, a Race who are Ancient and Advanced.

A Race where the Technology of the Derelict and Engineers Advancement had came from... maybe the Engineers were ONCE Enslaved or Engineered  by this Species for a Function... but they eventually Rebelled and Overthrown their Masters and then STOLE their Technology?

"Larger Down"

LOL i mean Town....

Certainly i think the Earth Setting and LIKELY to be say 2030-2050 would be that the BUDGET would not NEED to be so Big.

The Biggest Concern i always had was CONFLICT... but i think if we looked at AVP and say the Entire Temple Complex was Totally Destroyed so NOTHING can be Recovered then this AVP Movie would NOT go and Conflict with ALIEN too much, on the other Hand if AVP had the Xenomorphs make it to a Larger Down or City then YES you are going to Conflict with the ALIEN Franchise..

I know the AVP movies are NOT considered Canon, but the Point Remains Valid... in that IF the ALIEN TV Show is set on a Military/Scientific Research Outpost where it can be COVERED UP compared to the Xenomorphs making it to a Large Town or City.... then  it WOULD-NOT go and Conflict the Franchise too much.

I think the SETTING is a Mistake but i Understand its a way to do a TV Show and bring back the Xenomorph on a SMALLER BUDGET.

For Example a TV Show for 3-4 Hours or a 2-3 Hour Movie that is about Peter Weyland after the 2023 TED TALK and ENDS with the Prologue from Alien Covenant would NOT cost anything like say Prometheus or Alien Covenant had done.

You could get this done for like 25-35M

Back to the OT

I think the Route they are going is to Introduce the ALIEN for Cheaper... and IF the TV Show does well and Fans are into the Xenomorph and may want some other things then DISNEY can Gauge if a 2nd TV Show is Warranted and can RISK a Higher Budget.

Certainly there is quite a bit you can Cover with a TV Series, and YES maybe you could Cover some Loose/Ends and Conclusions.

I think the BUDGET would play a Large Part, the more ALIENY we go (Alien Worlds, Space Travel/Ships and Xenomorphs) the HIGHER the Budget requirement for those Effects......   This is LIKELY why the Hulu/FX TV Show would be SET on Earth in the NOT TOO Distant Future... Saves on Budget for Effects.

I think regarding the conclusion to Davids Story... IF they decide it is to be Considered as CANON then i think a NOVEL would be the BEST Solution.  This does-not mean that Future TV Shows or Movies cant go and Reference our David and the Events of the Prequels.

R.I.P David Giler

I think it may be Sad that he will not be around to see his ALIEN V idea come to Fruition (thats if it will anyway).

He and Walter Hill did have a BIG impact on what we call ALIEN and the Franchise as they introduce us to the Corporate Greed/Conspiracy Aspect and the Synthetics/Robots and also the Notion of Biological Alien Warfare.

At least some Subjects that took us to the Dodgy Log-in can NOW be Safely Accessed... Cheers Chris ;)

Hope everyone had a Great and Safe Holiday Period ;)

Yep. He's interviewed on Alien 3 's quadrilogy special features. If I remember right he walked from the movie because the producers were pushing for the prison setting. I forgot he did Die Hard 2, thanks for reminding me Thoughts_Dreams.

If I remember right he eventually walked from the set after Fox installed yet another producer. I can't remember this guys at the moment but I know he infuriated Giler and other production members because he started saying what they could and couldn't do due to budget. I got to check my quadrilogy special features.

This is interesting news for sure, but I’m a bit sceptical about the story being set on earth. On one hand it could be done really well with, (depending on the series’ intended direction of course) - smaller scale horror that takes place in a distant laboratory/factory/outpost far away from populated areas. 

On the other hand it could also mean that we’ll see aliens running around (even in broad daylight) in way to familiar and home-cozy places that are also perfect for advertising. Aliens appearing in a McDonald’s restaurant anyone? New Triple Cheese Habanero Burger™️ available now! 

Sorry, got a bit carried away there..

Anyway: dirty, dark, isolated, distant, twisted and/or otherworldly environments played a huge part in the horror factor of the Alien films. I hope we’ll get to see some creeping horror again. 

In a TV show they can do everything. They can Tie the knots between each movie of the franchise, at any time they choose.

For instance, in two episodes, they can give a proper ending to David story, with Ridley Scott directing, all of this under the form of a flashback.

Well, in alien 3 and 4, the primary goal of the company was having a Queen. In alien 3, Ripley Kills it and, in alien 4, the cloning experience goes wrong, because of the mixed DNA that origins an hybrid queen, that firstly gives birth to xenos and then to a newborn.

They could bring eggs from lv-426, where is a "Royal Embryo" included, to earth and then begin to create their army of xenomorphs. This, assuming that Ripley and Bishop didn't destroyed all the eggs on lv-426. Hell breaks loose on earth and there you have the main story of the first season. 

Renny Harlin directed a Die Hard-movie https://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/renny_harlin.

He was also involved with Alien 3 for a while.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2001/04/27/interview-with-renny-harlin

You can read more about his involvement in Alien 3 here:

https://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2014/05/renny-harlin-alien-3.html

Hopefully it is a good page.

You can probably watch him comment on Alien 3 if there is a documentary on the making of the movie.

He was one of those that saved Alien 3, as far as I know. I got this from the Perfect Organism podcast

RIP

*With a kind of Apone voice* Everything is clear here we're back to normal people.

Thanks to the staff for getting rid of the nonsense.

@BigDave, Giger’s mural is certainly fascinating and magnificent, but it would have given too much of the plot away had it actually been used in the production of Alien. Having said this, imagine an alternate working where Mother decrypts the Derelict’s beacon... Instead of it being blandly reported as being a warning, she decrypts this image from the message and hides it from the crew. Ripley then teases the graphic out of Mother before learning of Special Order 937. As Ripley had not actually seen the Alien at that time, it would have doubled down on her fear; would make for a great scene in my opinion.

For those who don’t know, the painting was largely inspired by Nut, the Egyptian Sky Goddess. Do a Google image search and you’ll see what I mean.

Well I thank you for your effort. Happy X-mas to you too.

Duplicate.

But really thank you guys. 

Right. You see, Mr. Dk and I feel that the bonus situation has never been on a-an equitable level.

I logged out and backed off when I saw the hacked window. 

Thanks for a pretty quick fix.

Now, I think we need to talk about the bonus situation.

Heard somewhere around the blogs watercooler, "I think a refund is in order after all this nonsense."

"But BigDave you don't have to put quarters in these Xbox's to surf the web site."

Bigdave, "I still want my refund WHERE IS MY DAMN QUARTER!"

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

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My thanks to AC.Com that have produced 48 referrals to my work whose overall readership has increased all most three times in 2020 for its best-ever year.

and if only one more person makes the journey...   

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“Oh no, no, no, it’s Christmas Captain and I want to open my presents.”

Finally, they reached the edge of the forest and Charlie had his first view of the craft, even three kilometres away it was huge. He took in the sweep of the left-hand horn and its curious shapes at the end of the 'tail'. "Good god and these things were all hidden in underground silos."

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Anyway, what happens when David wears out or suffers a catastrophic failure? What did Weyland know about that?

A scene emerged of waves crashing endlessly against a coastline. A Lone Acolyte appeared on the seashore. The Acolyte looked around him a puzzled frown on his face, for many minutes he looked out across the ocean and considered the dwarf sun and its reflections on the waters and then he turned to face the land and began to consider his immediate surroundings, suddenly he stopped, his attention drawn by a single object. He walked towards it. He touched the shape and comprehension dawned on the acolyte's face. The acolyte turned and looked to the North between a gap in the mountain range, which skirted the sea, and then he set eyes on it for the first time, the Great Mountain of the planet wreathed in cloud. He picked up the clothing beside the large shape, dressed, in the cloak of the acolytes and began walking toward the mountain.

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"I?" can’t..….. I can’t create life what does that say about me

Before them, a circle of Ovoid’s and in their midst, wreathed in majesty their mother. She called to them and their Petals flew back. From the naval of Shiva, Elizabeth, new life, catalysed by the very source of creation, leapt into the air and bore down on the ancient ones, overcoming all.

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David turns the ampule on its length and the black cloudy substance lurking at the top of the ampule filters down and merges with the Green Liquid.

“I finally isolated the core components of the material. It combines some part of what I believe is the very essence of creation with something conceived and designed by the Engineers of the Moon.”

Elizabeth’s reproductive system treated this new mRNA as if it were generated from her own DNA, but the DNA inside the cell’s nucleus remains untouched which he hoped would fool the mutagen.

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Yep I saw the same damn thing on two of my topics. I steered clear of it. Thanks for the heads up BigDave.

YES some Pages got Hack/Script/Bot

ADVICE...... if you are TAKEN to the LOG-IN PAGE like image i shown...  

scified.scienceontheweb.net  is NOT a known WEBPAGE and so DO-NOT attempt to LOG-IN as it could be a Hijack to Steal your USER DETAILS!

Same exact thing here. I've sent a message as well. I have some weird things on a couple of my topics as well.

Something Strange?  Who ya Gonna Call?

But on a Serious Note!  YES!

I am experiencing being able to be Logged In and Comment on some Pages but some i get taken to a LOG IN Page which i am NOT sure is Suspicious so be Careful.

But i have Contacted some Members of Staff and Hopefully it will be Sorted ;)

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"First, long before the Engineers, the greatest civilization in the history of the known universe developed. The closest we can come to the anatomy of these beings is the mural on the wall in Prometheus"

I think that if i am to go to the Original Topic, which i ASSUME is about Exploring the Possibility that the Xenomorph (or something that has its Ancestral Roots) had ONCE (maybe still out there) were a Technological Advanced Alien Species.

Then YES we could introduce that, i think IF we do look at the Xenomorph then it has NOT been Portrayed as anything like that, but then thats what the Majority of the Medium seems to Indicate.

While the Franchise seems to SHOW us a Ravid Killing Machine.... with ALIENS it did introduce us to the HIVE MENTALITY... our Xenomorphs seemed to just EXIST to Procreate... like say TERMITES.

HOWEVER... we Clearly see they are Intelligent to some Degree.   And we have to BARE in mind that with Hadleys Hope what essentially Happened was the Jordans had came into Contact with the Unborn Stage of this Species if you would.

Therefor if we say took some Human Babies and you Raised them Confined to CELLS where they have NO Interaction apart from being FED etc... Until they are 3-4 Years Old then you Stick them in a Enclosure Together with NO Contact apart from FEEDING...   these Infants are NOT going to become Adults that are Civilized and WILL  be NOTHING more than CAVE-MEN!

The HIVE on Hadleys Hope was Weeks Old.. so who is to say WHAT LEVEL of Advancement the Xenomorph could Achieve in 5, 10, 25 Years etc......  they have shown to have a Degree of Intelligence, they have Hands that could be as Dexterous as Humans and so i GUESS we cant RULE-OUT that GIVEN TIME they would NOT advance BEYOND what we saw in ALIENS.

I would HOWEVER... think that Introducing something NEW as the Species in Question would be better, the STARBEAST and we have the LV-223 Experiments that the Xenomorph are a Result of, as ALL being something that was Engineered from the DNA/TRAITS of the so called Starbeast if you would.  It would introduce a NEW LAYER where we can Incorporate the Original Idea and look at some of HR Gigers to give us something more Lovecraft meets Giger.

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