BlackAnt I hope you are right Friend. I like your take on it- it gives a lot of room for speculation- and well earned. I am hopeful but I have to call out what could be an uncomfortable truth. I hope that I am wrong. Come on BigDave- give SOME kind of signal!

What does everyone think of this?

Let's presume BigDave is not coming back for some time and it has nothing to do with us or him in some trouble of any kind.

The only thing I can think of is BigDave writing for a movie studio and signed a non disclosure agreement. So he can no longer come here and talk, about you guessed it, all things to do with Alien....BigDave has been coming here since this placed opened it's doors eight years ago.

After 11,804 posts the equivalent of 20 length books of War and Piece of posts, I really do not believe he would stop posting here if it were not something to do with his writing.

BigDave has privately been working on screenplay treatments for the Alien franchise.....some of this work he was very secretive about. 

If anyone knows anything about this or thinks this is not possible please comment down below.

I do think that Planet 4 was the Engineer home planet , however I do not think that is the full story.

My hypotheses

1. The 'city' where the goo was aerosolised over was actually a citadel, and the aggressive mutagen quickly spread across the rest of the planet, wiping out the rest of the population living in more urban or developed areas.

It could also be a sacred ground or centre of power. David was likely able to quickly calculate the most effective point of deployment of the payload, so this was probably not a mistake even if it appeared like one.

After all, that is precisely the design of the derelict, to completely wipe out a whole planet with one payload, so this seems to have done exactly what it was purposes for.

2. The destruction of the home planet severely handicapped the race as a whole.

I have faith that we will see the Engineers again, and I hope they have a showdown with David. It's possible a hero Engineer tries to stop David from delivering the ovomorphs to earth but is impregnated in the process, and only makes it to LV-426, or a 'surviving' Engineer hijacks the ship to finish the job they had started only to confront one of David's (?) facehuggers, and, not realising he is pregnant, wakes up and tries to complete the journey.

No matter what you think about Ridley and the Prometheus arc thus far you have to admit that there is so much room for activities with this background storyline.

I haven't read it but I totally understand that feeling of joy when you've discovered something that you really like.

Very hard to summon BD. Instead of similar topics, you should create an interesting topic with theories or your own vision of Engineers or AI.

why in the ampoule room the ampoules remain intact, neatly placed if the Engineers in panic fled to this room. if they were so they would knock them over. unless they rearrange them or from scratch. but what for? and where they fled. I think the second door from this room was where the mural of the crucified deacon was. but in another scene, is the pile of engineers' corpses by the door the back door to the ampoule room? you can see that the bodies were torn apart as if it was a black goo, as in Covenant or during the intro of Prometheus. So why, after being infected, would put these ampoules back on the spot, as if they had set a trap, but who and from whom were they escaping? How did the Black goo flow out of the ampoules if it was still inside the glass ampoules as shown by David.

Roger G: It's easier for some people to listen than to read.

Even though I don't have any problem to read I usually listen to podcasts nowadays.

I hope that he’ll be back

BigDave...

Sending wishes of divine love! Hoping you are strong and well...we all await your return.

BigDave....reach out to Chris if you have password issues...you can even log in with your cell phone. You know we all care about you brother.....we would send out a search party to find you; but, we have no idea where you are at...

I can't say farewell to BigDave, I hope he's well, just a little busier, and wait for his comeback. 

C'mon BigDave, we need you back!

I like many of the designs in Aliens....the weapons....the lab, the inside of the ship....the sleep chambers, the WY complex......that was a cool movie overall for its time.....would challenge anyone to do better. Say what you will about Cameron but he gets stuff done! The Alien Queen Priceless special effects....but hey if anyone wants to throw it all under the bus I really could care less....its not going to stop me from enjoying it one bit.....

Didn't they have to scrap the story of a pyramid and roll it into the derelict? I think if so then the derelict could be re-configurable and the bomber from the prequels was tooled up to be a transport making the pilot deck higher up and the lower deck for carrying stuff. It could just be a different model of the ship, an older design or something like that.

 Thoughts_Dreams

I'll buy it, I hope I'll find new things inside not only the same interviews that are available on internet. Anyway,  even if it's mostly the interviews I know, it would be nice to have them collected in a book.

SuperAlien: It’s nice to find new stuff, I hope that you’ll like it in case you buy it.

Thanks Roger G. 

I was just thinking what present to get myself for Christmas :)

https://www.pressherald.com/2012/06/17/scott-rapace-connect-and-prometheus-off-and-running_2012-06-17/

"Ok go for it with all Fifield BS it's your shows......F! IT! Done"

I just respectfully told you to get back on-topic. No need to over-react

Thoughts_Dreams,

So you are stipulating that RS edited out the scene of Lambert slapping Ripley across the face in Alien and that it has absolutely nothing what so ever to do with Fifield screaming into Dr. Shaw's face even more violently for no reason at all in AC? OK WHAT EVVVVVVVVER!!!!! WTF EVER THEN!!! 

Ok DONE ! OUT......take this JOB AND SHOVE IT!

We are discussing a movie that generationally literally almost no one cares about too much any more that has been out of FFFFFFF!NG theaters for 40 years!!!! Alien right.....Prometheus 7 years!!! and AC 3 years........DONE OUT could care less about this BS and personal drama.....No offence to you Thought_Dreams but I took way too much time to put those posts together only to be snubbed and told to GFMS......Ok go for it with all Fifield BS it's your shit show......F! IT! Done.....I guess I will just get out of your chat topic....I really don't need the hassle.....and this is just total snarky Shite!

In the words of SIR!!!!! RS GOOOOOOOOO FYSelves!!!

BWW: I was just playing around, sorry. No confusion on this one

I guess that this topic evolved into something that wasn't the intention. Cartwright hasn't got anything to do with this although I can see how it developed into what we have now.

Maybe the work relationship (meaning just co-workers, not boyfriend girlfriend, I just want to make that clear) between Ripley and Lambert could have its own topic but not here. Actually someone could start a topic like that, if they want.

The topic is about what Fifield could have said that would have been better than “I love rocks”. Can we get back on-topic? Thanks

TY for bringing this to our attention!

Roger G,

You hear that????? Dennis repeat for Roger G what you just said.......

Echoing off forever into the furthering distance of eternity, "THE   LINES   MAN  READ  RIGHT   BETWEEN   THE LINES!!!!"

Roger G,

Ask and you shall receive..............

Whispered slowly somewhere in Hollywood by The Ghost of Dennis Hopper, "You have to read between the lines man!"

Echoing off forever into the furthering distance of eternity, "THE   LINES   MAN   RIGHT   BETWEEN   THE LINES!!!!"

Yeah and you will never find that exact reference either....check this out though....

https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/sean-young-secretly-filmed-scenes-blade-runner-sequel-article-1.3498476

"Sean Young secretly filmed scenes for 'Blade Runner' sequel "

Evidently in the movie business when things happen between directors and actors all the tabloids give it the most polite cake dressing they can for fear of liable....the behavior has to be really aggreges for it to make it to the front page, other wise mum is the word and it's just printed like you read it, "We are all surprised that so and so will not star in the next film..."

Notable exceptions would be Christian Bale....The Shout on set heard round the world....and who could ever forget the tantrums of Megan Fox with Michael Bay.

Other than that is it not just all - Rossssebuuuuuuud! 

Roger G,

Word has it that her and RS did not get along...I mean come on please put the pieces of the puzzle together....

This could have come down to one bad interaction working with RS.....who knows....I know she is never gonna ever star in another production of his....so somehow mysteriously Noomi hits Sean Young status with RS.

Serious who films other actors shouting and spitting in peoples faces for dramatic effect????? I would have told RS to go F! K! himself too...the Fifield character does not need to spit in my face literally.....look at that interaction again...it's off the rickter scale!

The other actor literally spits in her face....you ever seen that happen in any RS other productions between actors and pooofffff by some strange magic she is not in the next film!!!!! And no reason was ever published!!! BY ANYONE!!! So she had a falling out with RS or RS had a falling out with her....who cares anyway she's out for good and that is the way it is!!! Nothing will ever change that.

Here is the scene again - replay it a few times....this other actor really spits in her face hard...this was not acting....I suspect he was told to do this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU9Iamk9EfY

ignorantGuy,

That is your opinion....not the rest of the entire movie industry.....you can waste your own time....I can explore what ever I want...seriously though....RS likes NR so much that is why she did not have a lead role in the AC....that is why he will never make another film with her ever again...that is why they had problems on the set of Prometheus....

Now what other BS are you talking about or are you just slow.

Are you familiar with a movie called Blade Runner? Are you familiar with an actress by the name of Sean Young....You do not know too much obviously because you would be giving me the evidence to the contrary.....but like all people that are all talk...that is all you have....which is why I cited all the other posts.

If you can prove something other than what I stated then prove it....OK BUT LET'S get back to Sean Young and why Ridley Scott would never make another film with that nut job!!!

DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND READ ABOUT THIS!!! There is an old saying do not open your mouth and maybe people will not know how stupid you are, OK!

Sean Young Arrested at Post-Oscars Governors Ball

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sean-young-arrest-governors-ball-oscars-295407

UPDATED: An LAPD spokesperson tells THR that the "Blade Runner" actress was booked for battery on Sunday night.

Sean Young was placed under citizen's arrest Sunday night following an altercation at the Hollywood & Highland theater, where a post-Oscars celebration was under way, police told The Hollywood Reporter.

Sean Young, 'Blade Runner' actress, wanted for questioning in $12,000 burglary

The Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) — Police say actress Sean Young is wanted for questioning after she was caught on surveillance video stealing laptops and video production software from a store in New York City.

Police say employees at a store in Queens reported a burglary Thursday. They say surveillance video showed Young and a male companion breaking in and stealing laptops and software worth about $12,000.

HEY ignorantGuy - you want some more where Ridley Scott gets into it on the set of Prometheus? OR ARE WE DONE HERE WITH YOUR LIES ABOUT WHAT I SAID.

HERE READ IT AGAIN iggnorantGuy......Sean Young is wanted for questioning after she was caught on surveillance video stealing laptops and video production software from a store in New York City.

NOW SHOW ME YOUR PROOF that RS is making all these new movies with NR because they get along so great....Funny though how he never mentions her again just like Sean YOUNG!!!!!!!!!!

She is wrote out of the AC script early on....COMPLETELY ALL THE WAY GONE AND OUT! YOU DO READ RIGHT.....they have to film some stupid youtube clip of her and Fasbender for all the fanboys and then and only then do you hear her voice....so please go read a bit more about how real adults work in this industry. 

"In the first version of what was called Paradise/Prometheus 2, Shaw was alive. They find her and she’s been hiding from David the whole time and she helps them escape. I told Ridley [that] my wife and mother-in-law, who are strong characters themselves, they loved the Shaw character and the actress (Noomi Rapace) more than any other characters in the film and they’re not science fiction people, but they liked the film because of Noomi. I think it was a studio call as to why she didn’t return. What a shame.”

RS could not work with her just like Sean Young....they did not get along you got that....when actors don't get along with the director they do not make it into their next big budget films....I could care less what you really think to be honest though....it is more to the fact that you bring nothing to back up what you say and then you REBUKE me about it.

You should get to typing.....Prometheus earned grossed over $403 million worldwide!!! So not having her in the next film was an enormous financial risk....and yep the next film lost money if you factor in marketing...

"Were there other scenes you shot that were supposed to be in the movie that didn’t end up in it?

No, I was not supposed to be in it. That was not the plan. This was something that Ridley added as a lead-in to it, I think."

How disappointing...."I was not supposed to be in it."

NO OTHER EXPLINATIONS - SHE IS JUST NOT IN IT!
YOU READ THAT RIGHT......SHE IS JUST NOT IN IT....Fassbender is though.....even Guy Pearce got some screen time in AC....

Read More: Noomi Rapace Explains Why Elizabeth Shaw Wasn’t In ‘Alien: Covenant’ | https://screencrush.com/noomi-rapace-unlocked-interview/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

Oh by the way all of the other movies Noomi is in...in my opinion are horrible wastes of time...and they have the box office numbers to prove it.

Here is nice little GEM....UNLOCKED 2017 - Worldwide 6.6 million that is it YIKES....looks like your actress went back to making TV....not big budget films.....

HEY SMART GUY THE MONEY JUST KEEPS COMIN WITH NOOMI!!

Close 2019 Worldwid $60,040 --------> 60k!!! The movie cost a few million with marketing!!!! A FEW MILLION!!!!!!!

Go play with your Star Wars toys ok.....You go get lost and stop wasting our time...

BlackAnt Hey you, you are lying and misrepresenting stuff again. Stop wasting our time.

You miss cite screen crush that things went wrong on the set of Prometheus, but the full quote is "Although Ridley Scott recently said that Noomi Rapace would reprise her role — albeit briefly — as Dr. Elizabeth Shaw in Alien: Covenant, the director has now determined that the actress will actually not be returning for the upcoming Prometheus sequel / Alien prequel. Many assumed we might see how her ill-advised adventure with Michael Fassbender’s David panned out, though it’s fair to assume that things didn’t go so well." Meaning in the story things did not pan out, not on the actual set.

Why should he believe you? Rapace was pretty devoted to her projects. She got her healed piercing holes reopened for the original Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, broke her nose on the set of Unlocked and never heard a complaint. She said that you must do what you must do. Even Scott himself speaks about her highly in the commentary of Prometheus.

You carefully ignore that Huente already said that the decision came from the new higher-ups at Fox, who wanted to whip the board clean.

Your theories are just the standard fare for misoginistic trolls on the internet, please eff off.

Roger G Nice time line. Alien Theory is a good site. 

@Everyone, 

I know everyone's time is important, limited, and sometimes less is more.

Surprised no on said anything about Veronica Cartwright's scene in Alien where her character Lambert slaps Ripley across the face while Dallas and Ash are in the medical bay trying to remove the face hugger.

They all looked at it. RS and the senior editor was there right??? In those days they filmed with real film in the cameras....there were no digital superfast reshoots, where you could do part of the post production with everyone still in costume ready to go, for a better shot...Right??? They would either go with what they shot, edit it out later if necessary, or spend the extra money to go reshoot it again because hey it's the 1970's.

"Everyone on set! Camera! Lights! Action! CRACK THAT CLAPPER BOARD!

Hitchcock Talks About Lights, Camera, Action....

https://ascmag.com/articles/flashback-hitchcock-talks-about-lights-camera-action

In the editing room they all watched as Lambert explosively and physically slaps another crew mate - they edit it right out of the movie onto the editing floor of history right??? Why???? same explosive BS here with the Fifield outburst....maybe RS was not on set that day or just said Fk! it leave it in...the main producers of the show cut most of my budget on this Shite film anyway....

Fifield really gets close into Dr. Shaw's face as well...He is really in her face screaming a few inches away from her, spiting in her face....RS had problems with Noomie Rapace on the set of Prometheus....so much so she was completely cut out of a major roll in the sequal....RS will never make another film with her because of the problems he had with her while filming Prometheus....so there is clear evidence Fifield does some talking for RS in this scene...surprised no one understood this either.

Although Ridley Scott recently said that Noomi Rapace would reprise her role — albeit briefly — as Dr. Elizabeth Shaw in Alien: Covenant, the director has now determined that the actress will actually not be returning for the upcoming Prometheus sequel / Alien prequel. Many assumed we might see how her ill-advised adventure with Michael Fassbender’s David panned out, though it’s fair to assume that things didn’t go so well.

Read More: Noomi Rapace Will Not Return for ‘Alien: Covenant’ | https://screencrush.com/alien-covenant-rapace-not-returning/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

"though it’s fair to assume that things didn’t go so well."

"it’s unclear if Covenant will explain exactly what happened to her (David totally killed her, duh)."

So for AC Scott decides to cast one hard hitter, Michael Fassbender, and then a bunch of no bodies.....however, contrast this with the fact that a lot of the previous audience connected so well with Noomi Rapace's character Dr. Shaw in Prometheus....and then the end of AC...Alien: Covenant
Dr. Elizabeth Shaw (uncredited). She does not even get a credit! OHHHH BOY! 

https://www.indiewire.com/2016/02/ridley-scott-confirms-noomi-rapace-wont-be-returning-for-alien-covenant-86053/

"Back in November, Ridley Scott met with members of the Australian press to talk about “Alien: Covenant” which he would be shooting in the country. He teased that Michael Fassbender would have dual roles in the film, and said that Noomi Rapace would be back as well, albeit in a “minor role.” However, as the picture gears up to start shooting this year, it seems there’s no more room for the actress."

So it is clear she got clipped because hey who does not want to add another half billion dollar Ridley Scott production success story to your acting roles list. She got chumped in AC and still took the money!
The seen where you see her DOG TAGS HANGING and Her picture all washed out!!! LOOOOOOOOL

The most honest critique of Prometheus you might ever read....

https://www.indiewire.com/2012/06/ridley-scotts-prometheus-the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-109680/

 "There's No Business Like Show Business," Irving Berlin. 

The line is fine as it is.  Show don't tell.  There's no need to say 'This freaks me out' when he's acting freaked out.

A WY series could be very dark and sinister without even seeing a xeno- we have seen that angle before. Some aren't into the machinations of WY but I think it could be very interesting. 

Imagine what goes on between the Interstellar Corporations vs Governments...

"I'm just a Geologist. I know rocks, I like rocks. THIS...I didn't sign up for whatever this is!! I'm going back to the ship, anyone tagging with me? Milburn?"

Thoughts_Dreams

Sorry for confusion. To clarify...

I Love Ridley Scott.

I extremely dislike RBW.
I gave RBW a genuine chance, watched all the first season and I have absolutely nothing nice to say about RBW. 

RBW is an Insult to science fiction, at best. The guys behind it are just riding on RS's name, and I loathe them for that.