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I think the Movie has its Flaws!

Its a HUGE Victim to TRYING to go and Connect to ALIEN and introduce the Xenomorph, as a lot of Conveniences and Sacrifices had to be made for this PURPOSE.

The David as the Creator Plot does WORK as far as the Themes of the Prequels...

The Problem is that IF he had created something like this!

Then it would have FITTED with the ARC/PLOT and Clues to HOW he managed to Create this could HELP with us trying to Figure out HOW the Original was Created.

The Emphasis is again too much on Creation from the Perspective of David which is a Distraction from WHAT the ALIEN fans may have wanted.

In HINDSIGHT they should have given us TWO kinds of sequel to PROMETHEUS.

1st that goes to LV-223 and Uncovers more Clues and sees Horrors more closely related to the Xenomorph and HOW the Eggs got on those SHIPS (was the Derelict the only one?).   Thus CLOSING the Door to ALIEN and leaving it open to Wonder as to WHAT other Worlds had the Engineers Horrors been Unleashed on!

2nd that Follows where Dr Shaw and David go that does not have to be Shackled to ALIEN or be based on the Doorstep to LV-426 but to go FAR FAR away!

But ALAS!

Thanks for the Share...

A few interesting Concepts but they all seem a bit too Comic Book.

The Second One if it had NO TAIL does give some Insight to the Potential of what a Deacon could look like though.

Well lets just say that COVID has pushed back Projects.

There appears to be a ALIEN Movie in the works, it WONT touch on the Prequels and its also Unlikely to Feature our Ridley Scott as far as Director but maybe he could have some Producer Role.

The Question would be IF IT ANT BROKE!

Or HOW FAR they may Tinker the Formula?

I feel if this PROJECT does BOMB it could be Curtains for the ALIEN Franchise, unless we get a REBOOT in 10-20 Years.

2022 could be the Year the ALIEN Franchise gets back on Track... or is SUCKED into the VOID of Space!

ALIEN DAY 2021 could give us some News ;)

Well there was Potential with  the PLOT of The Predator but its Damaged by some of the Revelations inc Technology and Especially the Pred-Killer suit.

Its a case of WHAT do they do NEXT?

A kind of Reboot! thats always the LAZY COP OUT!

I think they are BEST to go and Explore the Future as Eventually we will go and Discover Worlds for ourselves and HOW would the Predators feel if we ROCK UP at one of their Hunting Grounds?

So maybe a Time-line of 2075-2175 could be the way to go?

I think a LOT depends on what Version we are looking at, with Ridley Scott he claims the Theatrical Cut is HOW he intends us to see the Prequel and Engineers.

in which case our Engineer has Overslept and after being a bit Disorientated he notices that Mankind has Finally discovered LV-223 and Mastered Space Travel and that we have Sub-Created a Artificial being.

And he knows he has to go to EARTH to attempt to PUT a Stop to us.

Regarding the SHIP and its THREAT we can Safely Assume by the Time it Enters our Atmosphere it would UNLEASH its Cargo before it can be Intercepted.

Regarding the Technology we have to ASSUME the Engineers keep a GOOD EYE on their Creations and Limit the Technological Advancement of them.

The Engineers being so Naive and Arrogant regarding their POWER that they think their Creations simply CANT go and Advance without the Engineers and if we are Abandoned we are likely to become back to Stone Age than become a Threat!

What FOOLS! they are... but No more Foolish than Mankinds Advent of A.I

Indeed LETO

We have seen the Beast Changed/Explored Different especially if we look at the Hammerpede, Trilobite, Deacon and Neomorph oh and the New Born.

The Hybrid Xenomorphs in Alien R to a degree.

I was mainly talking about the more COMMON versions that are Depicted and Shown in all Medium so the ALIEN/ALIENS and AVP Versions...

The Xenomorph is Iconic but it its No Longer a Enigma and Alien Covenant is maybe Guilty of making it even LESS of a Enigma.

i think the Generic Xenomorph has to be Handled with Care i think you can bring it back for 2-3 more Movies but you have to get these SPOT ON and also i am not sure you can go for Longer than 2-3 more Movies unless you Evolve or Uplift the Beast a little.

The Future Success or Failure of the Franchise will NOT really be down to the Xenomorph itself..... Aesthetically or how it its Portrayed..

Seems its back to the DRAWING BOARD.... but its HOW FAR are Disney willing to go... i think it will be Generic but its HOW do they UPLIFT the Franchise after going back to the Xenomorph for 1-2 Movies?

Thanks Guys...

Sorry been away had a few problems inc Health and inc the COVID too.   Back to 80% Lung Capacity now ;)

Means a lot Guys... i cant Guarantee how often i can contribute as my Memory Problems are getting worse :(

Not keen on the skull/eyes. I always think the xenomorph looks far more menacing when you can’t see how it’s seeing you. Giger realised this, which is why he dropped any hint of eyes.

Thanks for sharing. I notice a lack of dorsal tubes that may have been a way of breathing. Instead, there are more spikes- or stingers? It seems to suggest defense.......against what? At any rate, it is nice art to view and ponder.

"The Predator" truly was a rotten and uninspired movie. Let's hope this new one brings things back on track. He doesn't have a large track record, but I liked 10 Cloverfield Lane. That movie was more about suspense, whereas a Predator movie needs a lot more action. If nothing else it will be a litmus test to see how squeamish Disney will be when it comes to a blood shocker.

@MonsterZero, it depends on the Engineer's priority. If it's still his mission to destroy Earth after he was rudely awakened he might not care anything about other matters.

@dk, good point about the vulnerability of the Juggernaut. It doesn't seem that well protected. You're probably right; the Engineers are likely so arrogant that they don't expect their ships to be attacked.

The odd thing is that Dr. Shaw's Juggernaut blasted out of the thick atmosphere at (what I guess) would be several kilometres per second. That at least would need some kind of shielding, as the aerodynamic forces would be tremendous. Being generous, you could imagine that the Juggernaut had a forward-projecting shield, good for atmospheric protection and general travel, but the shield was ineffective at the rear of the ship (where the thrusters would be active).

I think the Engineers were going to bombard Earth with the pathogen but went to sleep for whatever reason. It wasted no time setting a course to Earth with the pathogen payload. 

The ease of destroying the Juggernaut is interesting. Perhaps they didn't expect such primitive tactics from a supposedly inferior creation. Maybe they didn't feel a need to have a defense at all. Arrogance? 

Too bad the Juggernaut didn't have some sort of shield like Planet 4 had. Oops! 

Roger G

Your rumor sounds more exciting than a new Predator movie. I hope it happens.

Cool!

Hope the script leaks early.....give us some idea of the direction.

I just can't imagine the Engineer leaving the humans on LV223 alive and the Prometheus intact? To further defile the temples.

Sublight communications could warn Earth far in advance or the Prometheus is faster and arrive ahead of the engineer.

It was only after the Engineer crashed did he learn about humanity(when he boarded the lifeboat).

We all miss a long time forum member, but it doesn't mean we go full stop either. People still have stories to tell and ideas to share and we should respect and even cherish that since we don't know if or when another member will go dark on coms.

Carry on, VivisectedEngineer !

The Engineer plotted a course for Earth before take off - you can see this in the map room. After inflicting a good deal of violence on the crew of the Prometheus. So, it seems to me that he was hell bent on the destruction of Earth.

Could you also find some time help FIND BIGDAVE!!!

If the means are available, we are all in. I don't know of any outside PMs and threads.

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Awesome! Great job as usual.

Nice post!

And we still don't really know how fast these juggernauts can fly...It's 40 Light Years to Earth....It took the Prometheus two+ years to reach LV223! If the juggernaut is the same or slower! It'll be a Long wait...

How long did it take David and Shaw to reach planet 4? Maybe that would be the top speed.

Information is passed much faster than light speed.....So an incoming enemy/unknown starship would be well prepared for.

"Oort cloud sensors are monitoring an incoming vessel. Unknown type. It will arrive in 8 hours.....So we can keep our tee time."

When it comes to making movies we all know there is great secrecy studios employ. Movie studios in general are all trying to produce block buster films to make the most money - half a billion to over a billion with production budgets under a buck fifty - 150 million. 

Having stated this, these different production companies / studios are very competitive trying to position their releases at the most optimal time during the highest grossing months, middle of summer and end of the year. 

So when it comes to making movies there has to be operational  secrecy as to locations, characters, plots, special effects, and just overall what the movie will do in terms of being a competitor against any and all movies produced near the same time. 

If there was a new Alien moving closer to or into principle photography it would be doubtful that the general public would hear or be able to read anything about it.

I am not sure who that source is that Leto is dismissing; but, I agree with Leto that it is very difficult to get information out of these studios prematurely simply because they have so much competition. Movie studios are trying to lock in their profits while maintaining as much secrecy as possible during any phase of their production.

These studios only release relevant information to the general public exactly when they want them to hear it so they can make the most out of promotional marketing strategies.

When you are spending a tenth of billion to make a film and have competing studios also trying to earn billions out of the same audiences, you do not want just any internet desk editorial columnist leaking your production strategy. These inside movie sources can be dubious at best and highly unreliable.

You will know when there is a real Alien film because there will be a real trailer for it that has been released by the studio heads.

You should wait for this news on verified sites. Without links to WGTC, of course.

In addition, this is nothing more than information passed through a blender that we received at the beginning of the summer.

Daniel Richtman? Names don't matter. WGTC has already reported that Tarantino is starting filming the next Predator. And where?

I am pretty sure Daniel Richtman knows something, he was right in the past about the intention to bring back Ripley and now this confirms the words of Ridley Scott about working on a new Alien film.

It is not dead information.

Wait and see.

I would welcome a new movie in the Alien franchise obviously. Although I would like to also see the final prequal finished up to see how it is all connected to Alien.

Here is a possible tie-in....most of the movie is about the Engineers on another planet doing something and then just parts of the film is how the eggs get on the Juggernaut on LV-426...we see how this concludes with the space jockey and then the last parts of the film ending near or around the chest burst.

It would be interesting to see Engineers arrive after the Nostromo leaves, having come from Planet 4 seeing what David did, then making plans for an attack on Earth.

WeGotThisCovered.

Trust percentage: -100%

Alas, there is nothing to discuss here. This is a fiction. Dead information.

"But somehow I did manage to find the time to write a new, three chapter fan fic."

It is great an all that you are doing your "thing." 

Could you also find some time help FIND BIGDAVE!!!

BIGDAVE has gone missing for weeks!!! and we are very concerned!

I know that came off a little harsh; but, I am being honest. I could careless about reading fiction right now. Every time I come here I come here because care deeply for the people that are here. I check in on this web page daily for any sign or clue as to his where abouts....and BigDave has just vanished and I am sickened by the very idea he may not come back or that something has happened to him and I AM UPSET!!!!! VERY UPSET!!!

Reach out to her- nothing ventured, nothing gained.

The autobiographical elements seem obvious to me and I think it is why the story comes across so well. Sometimes good stories are sort of authors telling stories as part of dealing with personal things- GOOD HONEST writing!

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Vivsectedengineer - there are people playing on roll20 and free leagues servers and there are plenty of playthroughs on youtube to watch. Good fun.

Dk - i play solo. No reason not to if thats your thing.

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Nice if that is your thing. I play games to avoid dealing with people.

That is beautiful- and perhaps somewhat biographical in some sort of way if I may be bold. I would love to see you and BWW collaborate somehow since you both seem to be cut from the same cloth.

Thank you.

This may be easier to access,

https://archiveofourown.org/works/27375850/chapters/66899080

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I'm planning out a campaign as we speak with my family, still trying to get used to it since I'm used to 5E and Pathfinder's game rules.

So Far we have a Pilot, a Scientist, and a Roughneck

I appreciate the artistic look of almost any sci fi movie. As a geezer, I understand modern movies need to look a certain way. I also understand and agree with the suspension of belief that is required with scifi.

For prequels, I have noticed the apparent technological advancements with prequels such as the Alien franchise as well as Star Wars and the POTA franchises. I will toss in The Thing prequel in there too- even though it occurred within a day from the original 1982 movie. The Star Trek reboot did a fairly decent job regarding weaponry though.

I get it. I just think it would be refreshing to see a prequel take in the look and technological capabilities of the original movie. 

Leto,

Chronologically it is impossible to carry over the original props conveyed in Alien to future productions. In 1979 Alien was "state of the art," as you can get!

In terms of pure technological aesthetics it is difficult at best for audiences seeing old cathode ray tube monitors, "PAL TV'S" boob tubes, then making the leap to fully independent interactive holographical computer interfaces that were seen in Prometheus.

As movie watchers we are all under the assumption of  suspension of disbelief such that what we saw in Alien is the same aesthetically as what we have watched in the prequal films. 

I am not sure subjectively why anyone takes issue with creative narrative license when it comes to sci-fi films. I believe the main difference is that the earliest film, Alien, was so iconic that deviations from the overall props of the film cause some dissonance in some viewers when technically it should not.

If I may be so bold, I would like to artistically put this another way. Alien is no doubt a masterpiece as good as any other artform. Comparatively to masterworks in renaissance painting Alien is another separate art form equally as good in terms of contemporary art. Having stated this I believe the logical test then is never to judge any film or painting comparatively against anything earlier or later. 

There simply is no comparison constructively or any argument to compare these films to each other. They are all separate works of art each independent on their own.

We can all of us always state preference for styles in art; however, I think we all do ourselves a disservice to say that any future works must rigidly be defined in exact terms relatively from previous works down to exact details.

Great art is great art, no matter when it is made chronologically, and so there is no subjective comparative qualitative requirements that the two should measure up exactly. 

This is just as good as this...in some ways each is better than each other; but, I dare not fall into those types of subjective traps.

dk

There are no excuses here.

It was strange if multibillionaires like Wayland were traveling on muddy and oily barges. Prometheus is not a cargo barge, it is an elite yacht. You can see both: yachts and barges today; so, why should things be different in the future?

Of course, I love the retro-futurism style of Alien/s, but we must understand that the idea should work for the story, not vice versa.

If the next story will be about an ordinary workers on a cheap ship or about colonial marines on a minimalistic warship, then there must be an Alien art-style. In all other cases, no. Not necessary.