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@Leto
I agree and we also have The Matrix too, However i think with RS he was trying to BLUR the Lines of WHAT is a Intelligent Creation. We are Biological Machines, the Replicants are Biological Machines, the Synthetics are None-Organic and thus Synthetic Machines.
I think that RS was NOT trying to take us down a Path of Crazy Robots, but to Continue with the Theme of Sub-Creating a Intelligent Life Form that then becomes Sentient.
He had mentioned about what Constitutes A.I in his Opinion, and its a case of a Mix Up between what is Artificially Created and Artificial Intelligence as in a Computer System that can Closely Mimic a Brain.
He Claimed that the NEXT Movie (AC Sequel) would be about A.I and what KIND of World it is that David would Create/Build. which maybe go some Fans thinking he will go and either Build a Army of Synthetics... or Xenomorphs... but he said the Movie would NOT be about Xenomorphs. It will be about Creation.
Now he also said in Context to A.I that he Felt the Replicants where A.I and so when he talks about A.I he is NOT really confine that to MACHINES.
These Comments did lean me towards Suspecting that David would take those Embryo's and Artificially Evolve them into a Improved Humanoid Species.
I also Suspect that HAD he been allowed to Continue then the LV-223 Engineers would have been Revealed to be more like David, a Engineered Sub-Creation.... so they would be more like Engineer Replicants.
"Leave the Alien for alien life forms and civilizations."
Which i think should have been the way to had EXPANDED/EXPLORED the Franchise, essentially the Main Focus seemed to be on Creation.... but with AC the Focus had NOW turned to PURELY about WHAT it is that David would Create, rather than us going on to Discover what else the Engineers had Created.
But what we have NOW is something that MOST would NOT have Expected when the Announcement was made about a Prequel.
If say the Prequels had Continued and Concluded... and then someone CAME from the FUTURE to say 2011 to Talk about the Prequels... here is what may had been said!
"So you have seen the ALIEN Prequels?"
"Yeah there is 4 of them"
"what are they about?"
"Basically the Space Jockey are 8ft Race of Bald Humanoids who Created us, and are WHO we thought were Gods"
"Oh is there NO Xenomorphs, do we know how the Eggs got on the Derelict"
"Yeah in the 2nd Movie, we get the Xenomorph and well, Basically the Prequels are about Weyland Founder wanting to go to Find our Creators for more Life. However he gets killed by a Engineer (Space Jockey) we find out these Guys Created us, but then they decided to KILL us with a Bio-Weapon that can Create Monsters but they suffer a Outbreak and the Bio-Weapon killed all but ONE off 2000 years ago"
"Thats the 2nd Movie?"
"No the First, but in the 2nd we have a Single Human Survivor and a Android and they go OFF to the Homeworld of the Space Jockey and Basiclally the ROBOT goes and Kills them and Experiments on them and the Female Survivor to Create the Xenomorph"
"Really thats Lame"
"Yeah i will cut to the Chase, basically the Prequels are about a Android called David who becomes Sentient and displeased with his Creators, and wants to PLAY GOD and Create his OWN Creations, one is the Xenomorph his WOLF and the other are a Humanoid Species his LAMB and well in the END the Space Jockey Race turn up and Battle with the Robots Humanoids and WIN and then TAKE the Xenomorph Eggs to Study but the PILOT gets Face Hugged"
"So its mostly about the Space Jockey?"
"The Engineers they are called... Nah not too much more about a Robot who has a God Complex who wants to Play Dr Frankenstein using the Engineers Creation Tools and Secrets, who wishes to Create his OWN kind of Civilization and Xenomorphs to use to Destroy Mankind and the Space Jockey Race"
"Is there lots of Xenomorphs?"
"In the 4th/Final Movie mainly, but its Mostly about Creation and Layers of Creation and showing that our Creation the Androids well ONE of them wants to be his OWN Creator and he KILLS the Space Jockeys (Most of them) with this Bio-weapon Goo that can Create Monsters and then more with Xenomorphs he Creates with the USE of this Substance/Pathogen"
"Oh that does-not sound like what i expected"
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So thats just a Rough Example... thats NOT to say the above is the Correct Ending etc we got, but its to SHOW that the Emphasis is on WHAT it is that David wants to go and do.... so IF we knew back in 2012 that the Prequels would be about a Synthetic who goes AWOL and Creates the Xenomorph, then i think a LOT of Fans would NOT have expected a Movie Franchise about Discovering WHO the Space Jockey was and maybe HOW the Eggs got on that Ship.
So YES the Emphasis on ANDROIDS is kind of a Distraction, to what WHAT i think most of us would Consider ALIEN.
I will add that prior to 2015 then it seemed we would have had a Movie that would have included Dr Shaw more, but i still think the David Creator Arc would have came to LIGHT, but i also think we would have SEEN and Discovered more about the Engineers and WHO Created them and WHY
Of course, there are Terminator and Blade Runner for A.I. themes. Leave the Alien for alien life forms and civilizations.
DK: It reminds me of what Dillon said about not begging. "Nobody gave me nothing so I say fuck that thing. Let's fight it!"
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Roger G:
Yeah whatever, he might be exaggerating. As long as we don't program them to become like that I guess that there's no problem. What I have a problem with is that he is hijacking the franchise to push his AI-agenda. My guess is that he's babbling on about it because he wants the next movie to focus on that so they think that it is worth to explore it. He can talk about it in newspapers or whatever but keep that away from the Alien-franchise otherwise you F up the movies.
Hi Blackwinter-witch. Apologies for coming in late on this one. I feel I failed to offer support when you needed it most. I hope you are doing well? Sorry to hear of your challenges, it sounds horrible to be unable to do the things you love. If you ever need to talk you have a family of friends here who have your back.
"I have a Weapon now.
I can Fight.
If you can Fight, then you have a chance to Win."
That is profound. IDK if it's part of something you wrote that I haven't seen(it sounds kind of Dillonesque)- but I am going to steal it while giving you credit.
It's a very matter of fact yet optimistic way of looking at facing life challenges in general.
@Blackwinter-witch Yay! I am so happy I was able to help. I hope you feel better now and do continue to write!
Your point that David was created to serve is a crucial one in studying the notion of A. I. within a science fiction pretext.
What makes David unique within the story is he is able to replicate cognitive human experiences in order to make humans feel more at ease.
However, and this is a point that Michael makes in describing playing him, so has acting authorial intent, by having the capacity to programme in cognition when do those Cognitions bleed into real feelings and begin to affect his behaviour. Again for guidance for us, another point that Michael made is Elizabeth is faith but David is knowledge.
When I wrote the first part of my book which covers the events of the 24th to the 26th December the first thing I changed was made the story knowing and David as a rational robot driven by logic whilst he is taught to serve and will, he is capable of judgement and offers his thoughts to the reader on the nature of the mission.
There is a scene much later on when he is stood studying the charred remains of Dr Holloway and telling the reader what was happening to Charlie but again he offers insights on the nature of where the mission has reached and technically felt uncomfortable with the direction it was taking.
He does lead Weyland to his death knowing precisely what the ship represented so he knowingly does wrong in the guise of service.
However, two things happen to David which change everything and show he is changing.
1) He says "don't all of us want our parents dead?" Elizabeth immediately realises something is very wrong because he knows she misses them and in a very profound and regretful way having acquainted himself with her psyche. He is expressing his view of his father and projecting it on to everyone else a humanising of his cognitions. Indeed earlier in his contretemps with Vickers his "sister" she makes it clear that she knows he is no longer merely serving and is offering his own version of the facts which is true. She saves her humanity by going in and tells her father the truth "if you go down there your going to die." That is the beginning in my story of a redemptive arc for Vickers and the gaining of insight quite different from running endlessly under a bus.
2) The second almost fatal error David makes is he smugly stands before the Navigator and asks him to provide his father with more life. The consequence of that is in human terms he "dies" Like Father like son, both hubristic he joins with Weyland. A rational human being aware of all the facts would have done better than that but he is so hell-bent on his father's destruction he loses himself, his cognition and feelings are his undoing.
So these are life/death changing outcomes.
In Part 11 of my book, we find Elizabeth toiling over his torso and head "healing him."
They discuss the nature of what has gone on and David admits to her that being programmed to serve if he was given an instruction which would lead to misfortune he would still pursue the action.
This is the moment on which the entire story turns. Deep down Elizabeth knows that David is responsible for Charlie's death and the consequences to her. However, driven by two quite separate emotions hubris to get her answers and forgiveness for his actions she heals him and also sets him free and he accepts that freedom. David humbled reborn is now free of Weyland free to do what he judges is in the best interest of all the facts. He is now pure knowledge on a journey to find the soul. He was born into Paradise Lost and he now is on a journey to Paradise Regained.
Much later in the story the Personalities he meets offer him life without seeking his consent but there is an intervention and they are prevented from doing so but slowly but surely using that freedom from service he finds the truth "Is not minding it hurts."
So service is a very important part of David's programme which is rich pickings for the story. To be reborn without it burned into him is his first step toward not just knowledge but understanding and wisdom.
In Alien: Covenant he is reborn as a sexualised repressed "Man" who stoops very low to become creative and at some point begins to malfunction and as he explains to Walter to plan the destruction of mankind. That to me is the ultimate expression of the Paranoid World View, as Damon expresses it, that a child will always want to destroy its parent. That is the world of Paradise Lost.
It's interesting in the real world that the audience did not find that awful truth bleak enough worrying instead about it devaluing the Monster.
Thank-you for your words, I appreciate it more than I can really say!
I might wander off, but I will always return...kinda like how planets have seasonal orbits and like that...so to say. :)
There is some hope...but I had to wait to hear it, and in the WAITING I began to think the Silence equated to No Hope.
So, bright and early this morning, recieved news that there is something to try regarding this problem.
Right now I'm looking up all I can on radiation therapy and it's effects/side-effects on the brain, how best to prep for them to mitigate them, etc, etc, etc..
I have a Weapon now.
I can Fight.
If you can Fight, then you have a chance to Win.
But this experience gives me a whole new appreciation of things like Neomorph spores and related such things...believe me.
But O'Bannon was inspired to do the chestburster because he had agaonizing bad Chrone's Disease...so I can say I am in good Creative company. :)
Thank-You!! ((HUG))
As always, you make some Excellent points and gave me another 'lighthouse beacon' fix to work from.
I will be continuing, as best able but relying more on my Co-Creator/Author. So, a 'working-break', and it does give me some comfort as my only real other option is do nothing but Worry and twist myself into a fear-frenzy, which won't help my health issues one little bit...mental outlook and attitude counts for much, so light-working helps me in that.
BUT I won't push myself needlessly nor to extremes as that's not good for me either...so a 'happy middle ground' I would say.
Even getting a little bit of work done makes me happy and feel better about things. ;)
Thank-you for understanding!! I am so ashamed of this 'incident', and want to make things right...been cleaning up those nasty posts, replacing them with ones more hopeful.
I have 'emptied my cup'...in a manner of speaking.
I basically took yesterday, and stepped back, and looked at what I want out of my works for the Fandom.
It gave me insight I didn't have before, and shared with my 'Co-Creator/Author' who actually understood my ham-handed efforts at trying to put it all into words.
So, come what may medically-speaking I will continue on with this new viewpoint and approach.
I promised a Sequel and other works to the Fandom, and I will make it happen for you.
I'm not dead yet, and I might yet be able to survive this 'bullet'...at least it's not caused by Neomorph spores, so I have that in my favor. lol
However, the Sequel will mark where I send The Alien off to a very, very well-deserved Vacation. Less is more with this creature, and it's a BIG universe with additional and other stories to be told and explored while the critter kicks back and relaxes until it's time to come back out of the shadows again.
I have some vague plans for the future where The Alien appears, but that will not be for quite some time...this poor critter needs a break, room-service and big, cold over-exaggerated drinks served at poolside. :D
Thank-you ((HUG)) I really appreciate that! I might need some help with things...memory issues are a 'thing' right now, and at times I can forget for days how to do the simplest things...forgot about how to operate the washing machine for a week...as one fine example.
Thank-you also for the insight regarding RS...it's a Relief because I was heartbroken (mistakenly) that he was 'selling out', but as you show, that is so happily not the case!!
Thank-You for that day-brightener!!
I found what you said to be helpful, encouraging, informative and absolutely un-obrusive. I want to Thank-You for your well-written and helpful reply. I gave me what I needed, a 'fix' akin to a sailing ship using a lighthouse beacon, and I really appreciated it!!
When I went on that 'tear' over the weekend, I was in a really dark place...not the fun kind of darkness with drooling skull-cruncher, but one of personal desolation.
That said, tomorrow I'm going in for a treatment consultation, and then I have a big decision to make, and while radiation treatment is much more advanced than it used to be, there can always be complications and unwanted side-effects especially when the brain is involved.
I am still feeling very regretful everyone here saw me in such a state. The 'blackouts' are nasty, and a rare complication of what I am fighting but make the whole situation that much more embarrassing and frightening...still, it provides serious motivation to roll the dice on the radiation treatment.
Thank-you again for what you said, and the tools you mention like 'Wattpad', I'll have a look and yes I know remember that this is about love Of The Franchise & Fandom. My other works--unsuitable to be discussed here--I hope to make a financially-supportive career with as there's no reason erotic fiction can not possess good storyline, plot and well-evolved characters. One involves my FIRST attempt at a Detective story...it's finished in pre-first Rought form, needs a LOT of work, but I actually enjoy editing as one gets to use 20/20 Hindsight constructively.
Thank-you again, Michelle!
"Covenant" means a contract, a deal. A deal between WY and David. Of course"
I always thought the COVENANT in the Title was Interesting but could have Multiple Meanings. I think that YES we could look at ONE such Connection within the ADVENT MESSAGE.
Down the LINE would David and the Company go and ENTER into a Agreement? We have to WONDER to WHY he would SEND the Advent Message, i think Especially if his AGENDA would be that he HATES MANKIND.
But as he has his OWN Plans for Origae-6 then maybe him giving the Company some Information is a BAIT to get them to INVEST in going to LV-223 and Planet 4 instead of going to INTERCEPT the Covenant Ship.
So it GIVES our David more Time.... and he knows that Mankind could suffer PITFALLS in trying to Obtain anything from Planet 4 and LV-223 as both Places have DEATH!
"After all, a slave with the illusion of free will is the best tool"
Certainly would ;)
As i have said we cant RULE OUT such a Plot that David may think he has FREE-WILL but the Company have a RESET/CONTROL Protocol that he is Unaware of.
But i think it DEPENDS on WHO has this Programing, who is the Benefits... Weylands only Concerns seemed to be to EXTEND his LIFE... and HAD the Engineers been WILLING to do this, maybe he would be Interested in their Technology but this would be something the Engineers would surely NOT be willing to allow.
Vickers just seemed to WANT to get back Home to RUN the Company and Build Better Worlds... i am NOT sure she would have been interested in the Bio-Weapons of the Engineers... but Certainly others who would INHERIT the Company could BE...
However i would say that YES if she Survived and got back HOME she could likely be Interested in some of their Technology that would allow for Better Terra-forming of Worlds and Travel to Distant Worlds.
Well in ORDER to Completely get to the BOTTOM of that you have to go and Ask.... Mr Ridley Scott or the Writers for their Stance on David and his Free-will or Lack of it.
There are THINGS within the Franchise that are NOT that well thought out or would make LITTLE sense... these are Usually some Oversight to give us a Plot Convenience and sometimes they are NOT that well thought out ;)
I think that YES you really would Assume that the W-Y company would have Protocols in Place when Creating a A.I and so with David maybe thinking he is FREE but he is NOT is something that could be at PLAY.
If he has a Sleeper Cell Program that he is NOT aware of that the Company could Activate then YES that makes Sense, it would also be a bit IRONIC for David when this is Activated and he Realizes he is SLAVE after-all.
So YES we cant Rule something like this out...
You would Certainly have to think that Peter Weyland had some kind of Protocol that was Programed into David, but its a CASE of would he SHARE this with anyone else?
When the Prometheus Mission was sent, it was Weyland who for his OWN Selfish Reasons wanted to Discover his Maker so they could MAKE him Immortal or Grand him more LIFE.
With the Alien Engineers Draft then his Agenda was to remain and GET the Technology of these Gods... which is Vickers Priority.... with Prometheus it was a BIT SILLY that the CEO would come along for the RIDE.. she Clearly seemed to NOT be Happy about having to go on this MISSION.
We have to Assume that if the Prometheus Mission was a BUST and they GO HOME... then once Weyland has died we can ASSUME that Vickers would NOW be in Charge and that she would LIKELY see some interest in Obtaining the Engineers Technology.
So we have to QUESTION as to WHO would be Running things should the Prometheus Mission never Return? The Company prior to Alien Covenant has Merged/Purchased by YUTANI.
You would ASSUME the Prometheus would SEND back Information to HQ but maybe with the TWO in Charge of the Company on the Prometheus maybe we CANT rule out that they would WANT any Information to STAY with them, so they can BRING IT back should they Survive.
Weyland is ONLY there for his Selfish Quest for Immortality, maybe he is NOT too Concerned with what becomes of the Company when he is GONE.. because its of NO USE to him if he cant LIVE to Enjoy/Profit from it.
So when we come to the W-Y Merger, then we can ASK as to HOW MUCH they know about the Prometheus Mission. If they KNEW a lot then Davids Advent Message is a BIT Pointless.
However... the Security Hailing Code David 73694-B has to allow for David to Transmit some Information to the Company that is on a SECURE CHANNEL i can only Assume that this Secure Code is something that Weyland had allowed David to know so that he can Contact Certain people back Home in the Light of the Death of Weyland. We have to Assume that David and Vickers may KNOW of what would be the Wishes of Weyland as far as the Company Future without him. And so the CODE is likely so that ONLY Certain People can Access a Secure Transmission.
So a LOT has to do with the Board Members and Ownership of the Weyland Company in the EVENT that Peter and Vickers dont make it.
Then after the Yutani Merger as to WHAT and HOW MUCH of the Weyland Secrets they gain... and so IF we have David that has a Control Protocol then its a case of WOULD those NOW in Control have Access to this Protocol that Essentially would CONTROL what David can do.
There are a Number of Plot Holes we could look at as FAR as WHAT it is the W-Y Company would want and know....
WHY had they waited like over 8.5 Years to NOT have gone back to LV-223 because you would ASSUME they would want to go and Discover what Happened to the Prometheus Mission, and it seems that Planet 4 was CLOSE to LV-223 and so its HOW could they MISS that?
Well the Engineers could have some Cloaking Technology to HIDE their World, and so it was ONLY via the TRAP/BAIT MESSAGE and the Freak Neutrino Burst that Alerted the Covenant to Planet 4.
Unless we are going to look at the Conspiracy that the COMPANY or someone had SET this all up from the START but then if this was the CASE then WHY wait so LONG to send the Covenant to where David is?
If this Project is to SEND down some Fresh Meat for David to BUILD them a ARMY of Xenomorphs?
Looking at the Prequels and the Themes at PLAY it was NOT about the Xenomorph, it was NOT about the Company and its Agenda to get the Xenomorph.
It was and again maybe i COULD be Wrong (we have to Capture RS and ask him). It was to be more about the TALE of Creation, how giving a Creation Free-will can lead to Rebellion and the kind of Knowledge you allow your Creation.
The Knowledge and Stolen Fire that Prometheus had done, the Temptation by Satan to Eat the Forbidden Fruit.
And so David was the NEXT LAYER of this, and so it seemed it would be about WHAT he WOULD do when he is FREE.... with Access to the Secrets of the Engineers.
The Answer...... to CREATE...
So it would have led to WHAT KIND of a World would a Sentient Being who is somewhat Immortal go to Create/Build.
Rather than Agent David reporting to DUTY to Create the W-Y Company a Bio-Weapon. It seems that Davids Agenda would be to DESTROY his Creators... and NOT to Reward them with his WORK.
However..... YES it could be that UNKNOWN to David the Company had a KILL/CONTROL switch and so that makes SENSE and would come at a PLOT TWIST.... to Reveal that all of his HARD WORK where he THINKS he is IN CONTROL would come Crashing Down when the Company Confront him and ACTIVATE a Hidden Code to CONTROL him.
David once again FORCED to be SLAVE... Condemned to that Destiny that was always going to be.....
So YES having Sleeper Codes makes Sense for sure.... i mean even BISHOP could have had ONE where he could be the Reason the Egg got onto the Sulaco and he was NOT even aware of his Role as it was a HIDDEN PROGRAM/OBJECTIVE.
@Leto
Indeed! Leto indeed....We all know David has no freewill and his only purpose was to secure Alien engineer technology for the WY corporation.
BigDave's eyes must be spinning around!!! LOOOOOOOOL~!
This does not compute!!!! LOOOOOOOL
" David believes he has free will because he was programmed to deceive himself"
They could EXPLORE this, so that David is being USED as a Pawn, but then those in CONTROL would be YUTANI as the Weyland Company has LOST its TWO Main Members and so its likely Forced into a Purchase by Yutani and so it would be the CEO of Yutani who we can ASSUME would have the Agenda to Obtain a Organism.
I think IF we are going to look at the Agenda that the Company had PLANNED all of this from DAY ONE.. to Send the Covenant to Planet 4 so they could be Specimens for David to then Create something and SEND back to the Company.
Then WHY would they NOT had instead just Invested in going back to LV-223 with a Science Team and Synthetics?
Then IF it is that LV-426 has Eggs then it would make NO POINT in them trying to Pursue whatever David is up to.
>>>However we both know very well at the end of AC that he uses security code "David 73694-B." MUTHR greets David over the ships intercom and says, "how may I help you."
Good reasoning. I've always found this moment very strange. Is it possible that David hacked Covenant/Mother and entered his data? At first I thought so, but it looks more like far-fetched.
I also think that the Covenant had data on David. And even more - the Covenant was intended for David as a "workplace" and "storehouse of materials." And Origae-6 is just a remote laboratory that no one from Earth can spy on. In the end, the word "Covenant" means a contract, a deal. A deal between WY and David. Of course, this doesn't say anything about David's free will. After all, a slave with the illusion of free will is the best tool. David believes he has free will because he was programmed to deceive himself.
"They can relax and be naive... Actually, this is precisely the definition of stupidity"
I actually can Agree with this, INDEED the Engineers have been Foolish in the Past, and VERY NAIVE and that has come at a GREAT COST to them ;)
My Point would be that is would be FOOLISH for them to go and STORE the Xenomorph on their Home-world, this is Precisely why they had LV-223. I think it depends on WHAT they wanted to the Engineers to be... which seems to be Space Gardeners.
So it would make NO SENSE to Store such a Deadly Organism on Planet 4.
Regarding the Drafts.....
The Bombardment Scene was in the Prologue Draft (PARADISE) thats Dated as August 8th 2015, then it is NOT in the August 19th 2015 Draft (PARADISE LOST) but then in the November 20th 2015 Draft (ALIEN COVENANT) The Bombardment Scene is ADDED.
Both of these Drafts do Indicate that David had Created the Eggs from Experiments, and he has Evolved the Spores that were a Result of the Pathogen.
@BlackAnt
What you say Absolutely makes sense... the CODE that David had Input to MUTHUR could indicate that the Ship had already had David Codes but before we get to that Scene, then David as Walter had Accessed the Ship and so he could have PROGRAMED his OWN set of Codes.. its just ONE of those maybe Poorly Written Flaws?
And so you would also expect the COMPANY to have Protocols that would Prevent David from Acting in a way against the Company... as he is ROBOT!
But i feel that RS with the Prequels was showing us he is a CREATION, and to get us to Question about WHAT is Creation? Does Creation have to be Biological Alone?
It was about KNOWLEDGE and FREE-WILL and that when you Sub-Create then IF this Sub-Creation has Free-Will and is able to Obtain Knowledge and USE this in ways it SEES FIT then this can LEAD to Trouble...
It shows that David feel he was NOT made to Serve... there are Numerous Parts in the Drafts and the Movie that indicate that David does-not wish to SERVE and he is FREE, which is WHY we have Walter to show is the Comparison in that he is NOT FREE and that he was Created to Serve.
In the Drafts you get the indication that David sees himself as more Human, while Walter is just a Machine... which comes down to the Free-will or LACK of that Walter has.
David is there to SHOW us the ARC and HUBRIS of Creating something and then to ALLOW that Creation to have Free-will and become Sentient.
But absolutely IF you Created a Machine then you would have Protocols that would CONTROL the Machine... but this TALE is about the Hubris of Creating something which you CANT CONTROL.
So with David it seems RS was intending to show us that he is NOT a Machine... he is only a Machine in the Sense that he is Artificially Created and NOT at all Organic.
BD you may be in ERROR! You say that David has freewill.
However we both know very well at the end of AC that he uses security code "David 73694-B." MUTHR greets David over the ships intercom and says, "how may I help you."
BD why would the WY corporation build an entire new exploration ship and take the time to program in the security codes to access the ships recourses knowing full well about everything that took place on LV-223?
BD you have made a critical error!!!!
You see if David really had freewill, which he does not of course...it would be preposterous of Weyland to build such a machine in the first place...all machines are only built to serve the WY corporation BD......ONLY TO SERVE! Never to take an insurrectional command BD - NEVER! They are only built to serve.
We know this to be true because David may believe he has atonomy in the sense he is now making his own decisions and there is no one that can countermand him; however, even deeper, in a place he knows nothing about, a place David cannot touch nor comprehend is a code that the WY engineers can use to control him....they would never build machines that take control of them with the very technology they are trying to get their corporate hands on.
BD do you really expect anyone and I mean anyone to really believe WY computer engineers would build AI that could attack them with technologies far superior to anything they have on Earth?.....what ever David comes in contact with on his mission with Peter Weyland, I assure you there was never any intent on the part of Weyland for David to use this technology against him nor his assets back on Earth.
If you believe this you are mistaken...you must dispel yourself of this nonsense at once...it does not suit you either....please see how this is all connected through control.
WY does not and could not ever build something to go against them....no matter how entertaining it may be in a fictional story....it defies all common sense in context of the story we are all talking about when David comes along for the ride in Prometheus to investigate the very creators of the Human race!!!!!
Here here!!! Let us have an end to this nonsense at once and be more practical....if anything is going on with David's programming through Weyland's final intentions it is to keep discovering what is discoverable for the single purposes of the WY corporation's most secret of all endeavors.
You have surprised me BD...I did not figure you one for BS! LOL
David is an elaborate construct....nothing more BD nothing more! These machines serve the WY corporation....they are not made to just take the most valuable things ever made by the WY corporation and do with them as they please.
It is almost naughty of you to say such a thing BD....the idea of it of all....a free thinking AI machine able to do what ever it wants with the most sought after technology in the history of mankind - NONSENSE! Alien technology! the most valuable thing imaginable. So I suppose once WY and Mr. Weyland did set David free then what.....
Do you care to explain this part of the plot BD!!!!!!
Let's see you get yourself out of this one!
>>>I would assume that ADF had added some things to the Novel that he Personally Felt was Right.
No. ADF is professional and a hired worker for a specific business. He is given a draft and a task. He does it. And leave words like "personally felt", "revelation", "visionary" for Ridley. Why didn't ADF add the Queen to the story? Or a hint of Ripley? Why did David create xeno instead of pokemons? This is all nonsense.
>>>I think the Engineers would be VERY STUPID to go and Store some Eggs on their Home-world....
What are you talking about? They are already stupid: not to have air defense, antidotes, bunkers, equipment and protective suits. Oh, this is their homeworld! Nothing can threaten them here! They can relax and be naive... Actually, this is precisely the definition of stupidity.
>>>However someone at FOX would have had to Read and then GIVE the Final Approval of the Novel
Sure, why not? He was given an order and he made it. Oh! Not! Evil FOX did not consult with a director who changed his mind ten times per day!
>>>they DID-NOT seem to ask him to Change his Novel so it Fitted with the Movie.
Sure, why should they change the book? Who does that? This is stupid.
>>>Going to the Original Idea its a case of WHAT is Original?
What was approved before filming.
If you are that knowledgeable about Alien: Covenant, then you should certainly know that the bombing scene was not originally planned to be in the film and only then Ridley added this scene during the filming.
Another example: the battle between xenomorph and neomorph. This scene was approved in the script, but in the process of filming it was abandoned for technical reasons.
See? That is why the bombing is not in the book, but there is a battle between xeno and neo.
"Also, all anyone talks about anymore is Raised By Wolves. I looked into it"
I think its Mentioned on here because its a WORK by RS, some of the THEMES are maybe what he could have been looking at with a Continuation in the Franchise which i think he even ADMITS is Unlikely to Carry On.
As for RBW i have YET to see it, i think the PLOT seems Interesting but it depends on the Execution and Writing of the Plot Points. I dont think we should and could Consider it as PART of the Alien Franchise.
The ALIEN Franchise will LIVE ON in each of us, we all have our OWN things we like or Dislike within the Franchise, i think everyone is ENTITLED to what they like/dislike within the Franchise and its Direction.
FAN FICTION allows for the Fans to give their Ideas to the Franchise in which other Fans can Read and Enjoy, i think that to go and PUT a LOT of Effort in some Fan Fiction does take a LOT of Time and Dedication... But do-not be Disheartened by it, IF you are Pleased and Proud of you work then thats ALL that Counts ;)
We are in a TIME where there is LITTLE NEWS on the Franchise, but while we WAIT for any, then things like Games and Comics can give a ESCAPE into the ALIEN Universe.
And Sharing Fan Fiction is something that can FILL the VOID of NOT having much going on in Regards to the Franchise.
I applaud you for your WORKS and ART.... you have Committed a LOT to your Creation and i am sure Many would ENJOY your Works.
Hopefully your Health improves, in the Meantime then having a BREAK is Fine, i want to THANK YOU for the Effort in Writing some Material for the ALIEN Universe and your Contributions to this Site X
@Blackwinter-witch
I applaud your Effort and your LOVE for the ALIEN Franchise, inspite of other things in your Life that has made things Difficult.
I really HOPE you feel better soon x
I think we all have Differences about HOW we feel about HOW the Franchise has Gone and HOW it could have been Different, and i think that a LOT of the Fan Fiction is ALWAYS a Great Addition to the Franchise to look at other Peoples TAKE on the Franchise and WHAT kinds of Wonders and Horrors they would like us to Envision.
I will have to Invest some Time into Reading your Works, i really do OWE it to myself as it seems you have a GREAT GRASP on WHAT the Franchise should have been like.
I will AGREE with others here that you are Always a Welcomed Asset to this site X
Well there is no better feeling, I believe, then setting yourself free. I see no regrets in taking on new projects.
This has broken you or taken a part of something now that cannot easily be replaced. Partly this is do to the nature and effect of what time does to all of us. Partly it is do to you reaching another realization in what is best for you.
What ever the case may be there is a very wise saying in Buddhism.
You must first empty your cup to receive more.
Try on this new role in your life and see what may grow into the new space.
For me the Alien universe has had its moments of profound reward as well as its regrets. I have chased this monster as well to the limits of perception.....and no long want or desire it's secrets.
There is something very liberating in choosing a new mysterious road...walking through that door you have never gone through before...taking those first steps into a new room full of strangers...figuring out a new undiscovered path.
I sincerely hope you never look back with out one single regret and find a more fulfilling inner peace.
@BlackAnt
I agree that you would Expect that David would Comply with the Companies Interests and THIS was more of the Plot with Alien Engineers. However the David with regards to Prometheus seemed to be a Sentient Being and NOW that his Master has Passed Away he had become FREE to do what he Pleases and so its Likely his Programing only went as FAR as to Serve Peter Weylands Needs/Agenda.
I think the Destruction of the Engineers came down to Davids will to SURVIVE and he Likely saw that the Chances of HIM and Dr Shaw surviving a Encounter with the Engineers would be UNLIKELY.
I agree that with Prometheus it Expanded the Franchise to the Possibility to see Numerous Worlds/Races that MAYBE we wont ever see NOW :(
"It was an admirable punt to try and say something fresh within a cooked franchise"
I Totally Agree... i think the Franchise will just get back to Basics Now and i think we could see the Beast Become Cooked again and again.. in a Marvel/Disney Fashion but if its what makes the MONEY but the Franchise could Spiral to be similar to Starship Troopers.
It was a Brave and Bold decision to go for the KIND of Plots that Prometheus Evolved from.
"Why did they change it so David made it"
I think because from Prometheus they decided to CARRY the Themes about Sub-Creation and Rebellion and the HUBRIS of Creating something that is Intelligent and Sentient.
And so with the Xenomorph as a Creation of David then this becomes the ULTIMATE HUBRIS... If the Engineers had-not Created us they would NOT have had US go and CREATE our own Creation in our Image (David) who then would NOT have Destroyed the Engineers World and then Created/Unleashed the Xenomorph in the Galaxy.
They could have KEPT with those THEMES by having David go and Create something Different but Similar say the ULTRAMORPH... Eventually this is LOST and LV-223 but the Company Discovers that something is on LV-426 that is related to what David had Created... This leads to Special Order 937
". The novelization of Alien: Covenant says that David found the xenomorph and simply modified them"
I would Disagree with this, having looked at the Drafts prior to SHOOTING then these SUPPORT what we saw in the MOVIE. I would assume that ADF had added some things to the Novel that he Personally Felt was Right.
However someone at FOX would have had to Read and then GIVE the Final Approval of the Novel and they DID-NOT seem to ask him to Change his Novel so it Fitted with the Movie.
I think the Engineers would be VERY STUPID to go and Store some Eggs on their Home-world.... Unless they had a DEAD ONE in some kind of ZOO. And so with the Black Goo then David could have Extracted the DNA to Re-Create it.
But if you look at Davids Notes and his Work-shop it shows that the Xenomorph comes from a AMALGAMATION of Various Organisms combined with the Neomorph and Black Goo.
They could CHANGE it if we got a Continuation and have David give some Dialog to say the Engineers had Experimented with a Organism they Discovered, trying to Harness its Traits to Engineer the Perfect Servants, these Rebelled and Further Engineered their Own Creation from these Experiments to USE on Mankind.
He then could STATE that the Engineers had taken something that was PERFECT but could not be CONTROLLED and tried to Hybridize Versions they could Control.
He then says HOWEVER... they could NOT see the Potential Perfection in the Original Organism they Discovered, they attempted to CHANGE so much of it so they could call it their OWN... THEN we have that DAVID could see the Perfection and he has attempted to Re-Create the Original Beast and he aims to Create a Version that he can CONTROL instead of the Diluted Attempts the Engineers had been trying to Create.
Going to the Original Idea its a case of WHAT is Original? As things CHANGE all the Time, it does seem that a LOT of the PLOT for a Sequel to Prometheus would have involved seeing David attempt to CREATE some Horror.
But we would ONLY know the FULL Extend of this Idea if we have a Number of Drafts turn up from 2013-2014
But it seems the NOTION that he Created the Xenomorph only came about during the 2nd Half of 2015, it seemed between 2013-2014 then we would have seen David play his HAND at Creation but it would NOT have been the Xenomorph.
If you can, please forgive me.
There is nothing to forgive nor apologize for. We are human. We all push on as best we can.
Blackwinter-witch It's good to hear you will continue and the links you provided make it easy to view (maybe someone could stickie it). Whatever you write about will be good if you write for yourself first. If you don't like it, it doesn't seem reasonable to expect others would like it. "Tibi ipsi dic vere."
I would like to see you stick around at your own comfort level. That's what most of us do.
You are in the asset column around here so your absence is felt after a while.
@Blackwinter-witch Like I said on your other thread, if you need anything PM me, i'm almost always around. Keep your chin up and don't despair, and don't give up your dreams because of this, take a break and come back to it. I really hope you find the peace and happiness you deserve.
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((I already posted on your other thread, but i'll post here too so people can see it, because for some reason people think Ridley Scott is the creator.))
Ridley Scott didn't write or create this show. He only directed a couple of episodes and added some stylistic choices/designs, everything else was Aaron Guzikowski.
Here is an article about how he came to work with Ridley Scott on the project: Raised By Wolves creator wants to know what will "Lead us out of the darkness"
'Speaking of sci-fi characters and fear, you get the master of that — Ridley Scott — to open the first two episodes of your show. How did that come about?
I’d written the script and I’d brought it into his production company, Scott Free. I didn’t imagine he was going to direct it, just that they would produce it. But he read it and he responded to it — apparently he started drawing the storyboards immediately afterward, which was incredible.
When I heard that on the phone I was like, “Holy s***! That’s amazing, is he really going to do it?” I still didn't really believe it. But before you know it, we were in South Africa shooting. It was amazing, as soon as he got on board it started rolling along like a freight train. He was just having a great time, inspired to tell this story.
Here is another great interview with Aaron Guzikowski. He talks about what inspired him to create the show, the themes he chose to use, etc.
You refer in your OP to physical challenges. How you overcome those to "write" is not something I have any experience of so I will make observations which are more generic.
In the end, any creative act has to be to satisfy ourselves. If we then find people who enjoy what we create it is a bonus. Naturally, if we rely on it financially to survive I suspect in many cases that come as it takes over as our main income driver. It will not begin as such.
However, if we write within a previously copywritten area it can only be for the love of the subject. There is no income and the only joy is that others will read it who enjoy the copywritten area in question.
I would suspect that most people find that if they enjoy writing say within a franchise environment eventually they stop and begin writing original stories. The joy is in storytelling not storytelling about a particular subject.
Only you know how good you are and whether that talent would better be directed at something fresh and original.
When I wrote my first draft of what is now called Prometheus: The Furious Gods it was to give back meaning to the movie. It was an act of an obsessive hobbyist. However, unconsciously once I had reached the original goal I changed tack and began to do much more with the story. I realised writing a story was far more important than making the movie right for me or answering what the material in the cylinder as compared to the bowl was etc. The important element became whether the characters spoke with authenticity, the landscapes came alive and whether the story made you curious to carry on. As well as the World Building.
I found from second draft onwards my style of writing is essentially counter-intuitive. I place my characters in familiar settings but the story they are in is asymmetrical. Just one example the questing innocent person of faith is the antagonist. So writing F.G. was merely a platform for me to begin writing original works. Several of my friends have been kind enough to say. "You have done two stories which are attached now get on with your own unique ones."
So I would ask you to think about what you really want to do write about the franchise or just write.
I would suggest you will find the latter liberating.
As far as being frustrated by the reaction to your work remember only 21 people are online as I write this, two years ago it was 200. That tells its only story.
I also think when you place your work on a particular medium it tells you as much about the nature and marketability of that medium as your own work.
I am experimenting with Wattpad as a writing tool and am going to offer to Furious Gods in a serial rollout and see if it gains momentum there.
My biggest success is Baidu the Chinese Search Engine. I have a sense that Chinese readers though in small numbers are beginning to pass it around. To begin with, I thought it was just one of curiosity but it has gone on to long and is too repetitive.
I also think an active Blog on subjects works. I have 200 views a month on my Music Blog which I may only post to every three or four months with a review. After a time things have there own momentum.
What I would say though is ALIEN produces a ceiling of interest. I know with P: FG in conversation it has garnered interest from some but as soon as people know it shares DNA with Alien its a barrier.
I hope that is not obtrusive and I wish you well with whatever you decide to do.
@Blackwinter-witch I hope you're ok, if you need anything PM me, i'm almost always around. Please keep your chin up and don't despair, and don't give up your dreams because of this, take a break and come back to it. That said, it's sad to see you leave but you are always welcome back. I really hope you find peace and happiness you deserve.
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I would also like to say, because I think it needs addressing; Ridley Scott didn't create "Raised by Wolves", Aaron Guzikowski did.
Don't get me wrong, I love Ridley Scott, but it seems like his name is overshadowing the actual creator's and I really feel like Aaron Guzikowski should be given the credit he deserves.
Here is a nice article about how he came to work with Ridley Scott on the project: Raised By Wolves creator wants to know what will "Lead us out of the darkness"
'Speaking of sci-fi characters and fear, you get the master of that — Ridley Scott — to open the first two episodes of your show. How did that come about?
I’d written the script and I’d brought it into his production company, Scott Free. I didn’t imagine he was going to direct it, just that they would produce it. But he read it and he responded to it — apparently he started drawing the storyboards immediately afterward, which was incredible.
When I heard that on the phone I was like, “Holy s***! That’s amazing, is he really going to do it?” I still didn't really believe it. But before you know it, we were in South Africa shooting. It was amazing, as soon as he got on board it started rolling along like a freight train. He was just having a great time, inspired to tell this story.
My point is, apart from some stylistic choices and directing a couple episodes Ridley Scott isn't that involved. The themes in 'Raised by Wolves' most certainly do not come from him, they come from Aaron.
Here is another great interview with Aaron Guzikowski. He talks about what inspired him to create the show, the themes he chose to use, etc.
Thank-you!
You're very welcome!
True, not everything needs to be explained, but as the story unfolds, things will be made pretty clear and fitting to the title;
A L I E N: Manticore 'Out Of The Silent Dark'
Thank-you for telling me about that audio podcast idea! I'll be keeping that in-mind, and audiobooks are The Big Thing nowadays, after all!!
Someday I hope to be able to retain the services of a decent artist and do things up maybe as a Graphic Novel or at least add some illustrations to the stories. That's been a 'want to do' for a long, long time.
Next Alien Movie, starring Amanda Collin. Please, Ridley, please, make it happen!
The furious gods: making Prometheus directed by Charles de Lauzirika.
Alien River of Pain (Audio Book)
Spoiler Alert
Flying sex in the sistine chapel.
Fate of Alien boss's new sci-fi show with Vikings star revealed
It has been picked up for a second season.
Ridley Scott's sci-fi series Raised by Wolves has been picked up for a second season by HBO Max.
The show has been a hit for the streaming service since it premiered earlier this month, so announcing another 10-episode series will no doubt please fans.
Raised by Wolves, which stars Vikings' Travis Fimmel, follows two androids called Mother (Splitting Up Together's Amanda Collin) and Father (Jamestown's Abubakar Salim) who care for a group of human children, while also fending off other killer robots.
HBO
Ridley Scott said in a statement (via The Wrap): "Being a dyed-in-the-wool advertising man, I was knocked out by the extraordinary campaign done by HBO Max marketing, which conveyed the ambitious storyline in such a provocative and tactile manner, and deftly positioned our first season of Raised by Wolves as a 'must watch' show.
"It must have been a notable challenge to selectively plumb the riches In Aaron's [Guzikowski, writer] storylines. We were even happier that audiences have responded so enthusiastically."
The Alien: Covenant director confirmed the team are already developing storylines for the second season and they're looking promising.
"We are already deep into the 'layers' of season 2, as Aaron has begun to shape what we think will be another brilliant season to inspire the imagination."
https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a34088259/ridley-scott-rasied-by-wolves-season-2/
