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BigDave at this stage only David could make Alien great again. With a little help from Ridley Scott.

I hate the idea of a Marvel Alien crossover, I hope they would resist the temptation. They could take the Predator if they really want a new monster, but leave the xenomorph alone.

Now I don't think they could come across  some eggs and xenomophs and pretend David's fingering did not happen.

So in my opinion, they should first fix the things in a sequel to Alien Covenant, to make it clear that David either found the eggs in the basement or created just his own version. We need closure, otherwise every bit of xenomorph I see takes me back to David's workshop.

If you wish to SKIP the Above History....

The Nut Shell is that the Xenomorph was Original, a Enigma it was something NEVER seen before, with Aliens while it may NOT have been how every Fan would have wanted to see the Xenomorph explored it was STILL a Iconic Movie.

The Beast sadly was NOT as well Executed in Future Movies and we have seen it in Games and Comics over and over, that IF your going to show it AGAIN then for some maybe you need to Elevate it beyond what it was in ALIENS, but for some Fans they Value Aliens as the ULTIMATE Incarnation (Certainly the most Recognized).

It seemed for some the more you see it the LESS of a Enigma it becomes (this depend on HOW its shown and Executed).  With Alien and Aliens it was Executed Very Well.

With ALIEN it was a Enigma, with ALIENS it came across as more like a Space Termite... and so you have to try and UPLIFT the Beast!   But with the Revelations of AC then the MYSTERY has gone but also the ENIGMA is Lost.

So we HIT that Cross-Road as to WHAT do we do?

I dont think that we have to go and introduce Ripley again, even if its to Follow Ripley 8... we can leave that a MYSTERY. 

And so i DONT think you have to go and RETCON any Movie in the Franchise be it that Alien 3 and Alien R are Dreams or Aliens is a Dream!

Ripleys Journey is OVER!

I dont think you HAVE to go and REBOOT the Franchise!

What you going to do REMAKE the Whole LOT?  Do you have Miss Weaver back and De-Age her?  Do you CAST someone else as Ripley?   I thin either way you are GOING to be UPSETTING some Fans.

Do you Reboot Characters?  So we have Male Roby replace Female Ripley (as with the Original Drafts) but then if the REST of the Plot is the same then WHAT is the Point?  If you CHANGE the Xenomorph Aesthetic then you will UPSET the Fans.

You can introduce the Xenomorph and New Characters in a NEW Movie that does-not have to be a Remake/Reboot!

Do you REBOOT the Prequels so that you can Regain some that ENIGMA of the ALIEN?  But then some Fans would NOT be pleased as they Like Prometheus.

The MYSTERY and ENIGMA is what made ALIEN Great!

This is NOW in Grave Jeopardy with Alien Covenant!  Do you Reboot that?  Do you CONTINUE with a Sequel and then TRY and Change things to try and regain that Enigma?

You could give another ALIEN Movie where you SIMPLY dont touch on the Prequels.. not Directly.... so the Eggs you come across  you DONT Indicate their Origins and Date... Certainly as far as either indicating they are from after 2093 or even Thousands of Years Prior!

You leave it a Mystery so we DONT know what Happens after Alien Covenant, we can maybe Pretend the Xenomorph is Ancient.... if you want.

I think you have to go back to Introducing the Xenomorph but then you look at a SET-UP to Enhance it and Evolve it!

The PAST?  forget it... time to Move On! Forwards!

Look at Mankind... we came from mere Apes in the Distant Past (well apparently) i think regardless of that.. or by Aliens or by a GOD or Gods.....  its about WHAT can Mankind become?

We DONT live in Caves anymore and thats what Counts ;)

in Context to the Franchise then maybe the Engineers once lived in Caves too?

So what i am saying is that maybe they can MAKE another ALIEN Movie where the Seeds are their to NOT explore their Origins... but to see how we can UPLIFT and EVOLVE them and this does-not have to be so much Aesthetically but surely to LIFT them beyond Advanced Space Termites.

Thats NOT me calling them BUGZ.. but more so asking to WHAT IF say Hadleys Hope was NOT Destroyed... or WHAT IF a Xenomorph Infestation has taken over a World and what becomes of them YEARS and not WEEKS latter?

Take Planet of the Apes..... at some point in the VERY distant Past... then Mankind was similar to those Apes... we Evolved over Hundreds of Thousands of Years... could Xenomorphs EVOLVE on a Quicker Scale (i dont mean just Aesthetically)

Back to Planet of the Apes... those Apes were merely Apes before HUMANS began Experiments.. and look at their Evolution!

What if the Xenomorph was Experimented on... could we TRIGGER a Evolution?

So maybe this is what we NEED to look at...

AGAIN this will NOT please EVERYONE!

You simply CANT do that.... and THUS... i dont think ALIEN will ever become GREAT again.... But its Certainly NOT Dead... not YET!

I think the Franchise Theatrically has LOST its GREATNESS.

How you attempt to regain that GREATNESS is a Difficult Task!  I think we Fundamentally have to Look at WHAT was GREAT about the Franchise.

In 1979 the World was introduced to the Franchise with the First Movie.... The Cult Classic ALIEN.  While there had been other Space Monster Movies what really made ALIEN so different was Firstly the Horrific Life-Cycle of the Beast and Secondly the Aesthetically Appearance of the Beast that made it so UNIQUE and NEW.

With Ridley Scott at the Helm this was Visually Stunning for its Time, a Claustrophobic Horror our First Introduction to the Cosmic Horror is surely one of the GREATEST Sci-Fi Horrors in Hollywood History.

Supported by a Small Cast that Portrayed their Characters really well, and interesting Sub-Plot regarding the Weylan-Yutani company and Special Order 937 from the Moment we First saw the Egg right until we saw the Beast Fired out into Space, i am sure MOST of us agree this is a Masterpiece.

In 1986 we was introduced to a Sequel with ALIENS, now it was Highly Likely that a Sequel would go back to LV-426.  While ALIEN had a lot of Mystery Connected to it, the Sequel decided to Concentrate on the Iconic ALIEN Monster Once again.

James Cameron had decided to give us Action Sci-Fi take on the Franchise and Introduced the Queen.  While this may have NOT been what some Fans had in Mind/Hopes for a Sequel i think the Incarnation that we got with ALIENS is the ONE that Most people would Recognize. 

Seeing Multiple Xenomorphs (as they were NOW coined) was a Exciting way to Re-Introduce the Iconic Monster, the revelation of a Egg Laying Queen also will go down as Iconic.   While introducing the Beast as some Species that have a Natural Instinct to Procreate and Act like a Hive, the Space Bugs (or Space Termites as i like to call them) was something that some FANS felt had restricted the Iconic Monster to a Dumb Bug Movie (Actually the Xenomorphs showed a Good Deal of Intelligence in this Movie).  While this is WHERE some Division began because what we got is MAYBE not what some Fans would have expected from ALIEN, it none the Less is the Most Recognized Incarnation of the Franchise and a SOLID Action Sci-Fi, yes its a bit Popcorn but it shows how to Execute a Good Popcorn Action Flick.   With Starship Troopers being a example of a Lesser Quality Popcorn.

It seemed that Ripleys Journey had ENDED... she had LOST her Daughter due to being in Cryo-Sleep for 57 Years, she had to go back to Face her Demons on LV-426 and it seemed the Menace was Finally Over... and that with Newt and Hicks maybe their was some kind of Family Life in store for her!

At this POINT i think while some Fans maybe did-not like to see the Portrayal we got in ALIENS, i would say in General these Movies both made the Franchise GREAT.

NEXT....... is when things Started to Divide Opinion.

In 1992 we was Once Again given a Alien Movie.... and i WONT go into too much Detail with regards to ALIEN 3 because it did have a Problematic Production.  I think there was Elements that had Displeased the Fans.

*Xenomorph was NOT as Good as what we had seen before, but it was trying something a BIT Different.  Visually it was not as SOLID as we seen before. But i still think the Runner was still a Formidable Threat.

*Change of Direction in regards to this being more closer to ALIEN than a ALIENS and so NO Multiple Xenomorphs, no Guns etc..  I think this may have Disappointed Some, for others it was a Welcome Change.  Again i dont think the TYPE of Plot was a Problem.  I think Alien 3 is a little Underrated but certainly not to the Standard Set prior.

*End of a Era.... this Movie saw the eventual Death of the ALIENS Cast, and i think THIS really did UPSET a Fair Few Fans.  Should Ripley have had the Happy Ending?  Nope this is ALIEN and its a Cruel Universe.  You could NOT have brought back Carrie Henn as Newt and her Death adds some Gravity/Loss to Ripley. 

However... i would say that maybe KILLING of Hicks was not Needed.... with regard to Ripley well it brought some Closure to her Story with a Worthy Sacrifice..

But that was IT... Ripley was Dead... the Xenomorph seemed Dead... and END OF A ERA!

In 1997 we Finally had another ALIEN Venture when they Resurrected the Alien and Ripley with Alien Resurrection

It seemed the Studio had concluded that if you needed a ALIEN Movie then you needed Ripley back and so the Clone Plot was introduced.... For some the Character of Ripley 8 was just not our Beloved Ripley. 

While the Clone Plot was Flawed/Odd it did offer some Glimpses to something NEW, our Xenomorphs a little Different.  Ripley was back even more BAD-ASS and the Plot was more Action again.  But Execution  was NOT that Good.

While the Queen was not shown much, and was Killed by its own Birthed Off Spring the Newborn... i think on One-Hand this was something NEW the Idea of Hybrids its Interesting but the Execution/Portrayal of the New Born was NOT everyone's Cup of Tea... also including its Interaction with Ripley 8

But i applaud the Movie for TRYING to do something Different and i see the Potential with Ripley 8 and i also think the AUTON subplot was something that could be Explored.... but what we would be GETTING TOO is something that would Deter/Change too much from what Fans saw in ALIEN/ALIENS.

I think CHANGE is something that Some Fans are NOT that Comfortable with.... and maybe trying to STEER AWAY from what made ALIEN/ALIENS so Iconic is something thats a RISK.

I wont TRY and Discus the AVP Franchise much... just that Visually the First Movie was Decent, it was Popcorn Action and when Considering it as NONE-CANON then i think actually it was NOT bad...

But it was again a Movie (especially with AVPR) that kind of Degraded the Xenomorph compared to its Original Incarnation in ALIEN.

It had been a NUMBER of Years... before the Prequels.. and again i WONT go much into Detail with them...

Originally then YES we was going to get Xenomorphs, and some Answers/Clues to LV-426 but then Prometheus was Born which was to NOT be a ALIEN Movie and was to STEER AWAY from the ALIEN Franchise.

But at THIS POINT the Xenomorph was a Mystery.. the LV-426 Derelict a Mystery.

For Some Fans they were Missing the Xenomorph, there was a LOT of Interest in Blomkamps Alien 5

Then we GET to Alien Covenant which is WHERE things seem to have taken a Wrong-Turn!

Without trying to GO into Detail.... i think when we are looking at HOW do you Introduce and Resurrect the Xenomorph after Alien Resurrection

Then to Introduce it as Part of the Plot in Alien Covenant and thus indicating the Origin was NOT that ALIEN or Ancient... but the Creation of a Bored and Psychotic Robot....  is something that had Degraded the Xenomorph.

So in Context to MAKING ALIEN GREAT....

Then Prior to Alien R what made it Great was in Part the Story of Ripley, but her Journey Ended and you DONT have to have a Ripley to make a ALIEN Movie.  But what the First 3 Movies did well was Better Use and Execution of Characters.

The Next thing that made it GREAT was the BEAST and How Iconic it was.... while its a bit Divisive between Fans of the Big Chap vs Camerons Aliens... i think Aesthetically its what Fans liked, i dont think MANY of the Fans would LIKE to see things Changed too FAR... Aesthetically.

I think you then have to look at HOW Often can you Keep Repeating the same Ideas and Aesthetic before it gets Stale for some though... this is where some Division remains.  The First Time we saw the Beast it was Original and a Enigma.... with Aliens it became Cool but in all Mediums we have seen the Aliens Version shown more, which is Cool, but i think you had to TRY and Elevate the Beast somewhat (which some Comics/Books tried).

But i think WHAT made the ALIEN so GREAT was....

It was a ENIGMA and the MYSTERY and Eventually then YEAH maybe when Ideas have RAN OUT you may have to ANSWER that Mystery and Enigma.

With the Prequels and Especially with Alien Covenant then the BEAST is NO LONGER that ENIGMA.

I will comment on this!!! Have no fear! It's coming Alien fans and you know it......

Aliens & Predators existing within the MCU, the two seem to jar with one-another... It's like crossing Star Wars with Die Hard... I mean, John McClane within the Jedi Temple thats been taken over by Clone "terrorists" & Anakin no, correction, by this time, He's been Ordained: Darth Vader is now doubling as Hans Gruber. Darth Gruber... Hans Vader & McClane has to battle His way out of the besiged Temple while recuing the Jedi Younglings from certain slaughter. Well, if they put the Star Wars twist on it & had fun with it & incorperated Nakatomi Plaza as one of the many tall skyscrapers within Couracants tall skiline then You could play with the idea as long as McClanes & Grubers names were different. Hans works but not John...

I'm wondering if this is a BIG, strategic move by Disney, through Marvel by Kevin Fiege to consolidate & streamline content control directly through Him as He has been doing with the MCU content as "Content Overlord" now but with the added caviat in overseeing multiple franchise threads of pure content. This can be a window into the many film to comics/graphic novels & comics/graphic novels to film that are poyentially coming down the pike.

We may get better Predator films, Planet Of The Apes, Star Wars (one-hopes) Aliens, X-Men, Avengers (& MCU-related /connected stuff/tie-ins), Aliens vs Predators, etc.

It does not have to please the Alien fans as long as the money flows.

True. Marvel could bring something new for a younger demographic. Let them run with it and see what they can do. The geezers will complain no matter what.

Even though a reboot of Star Trek was successful, I doubt it would work for Alien. Even if it was a good movie, a large part of the fan base would probably pick it apart and pan it.

A movie based on the time line between Aliens and A3 might work and there have been a couple ways discussed on how that could go. The problem is that a younger audience who weren't even alive during that golden age might not buy into it.

Everybody knows a new movie will not please everybody else. Hate to say it, but maybe it's time for Marvel to forge ahead to appeal to a younger demographic and let them enjoy their own experience like we have with the Quadrilogy and prequels. We can always participate. Who knows- we might actually like it.

BigDave, that is exactly the direction a movie would take if that pleases the Marvel fans. It does not have to please the Alien fans as long as the money flows.

The Alien fanbase is divided and no film will ever unite it, so Disney could not count on these fans, no matter what they'd do. But they know they can count on Marvel fans, so it comes to my mind that a crossover will be the next film featuring a xenomorph and even Ripley. From Avatar to Avengers it's only a small step Mrs. Weaver would be willing to  take if money is good.

Do you think Hill and Giller would say no?

Glad you like that image. My favorite. Found it on deviantart website. Hope someone who is working on the franchise finds it and uses it for inspiration and evolution.

Sure.

I think it'd take an A-list actor though, and that would eat up a good chunk of the budget.

I'd like to see Chris Evans play a colonial marine...(He could even play Hicks). 

@Leto

Certainly Good Points... I was merely suggesting that these could be Explored as a Option but in all Likeliness there would have been seen as NO point because of Ripley 8 and her Queen.

Going back to a ALIEN V that does-not try and REBOOT/RETCON anything, then with Ripley 8 i guess you could TRY and obtain her Xenomorph DNA to again try and Obtain a Pure Specimen.... but i feel that from the Perspective of WHY they would want a QUEEN.. then surely Ripley 8 is the better Prospect for Biological Weapons Research.

I think you made a Good Point about Lazy Writing... and so INDEED i think IF we ever get another ALIEN Movie then that does not mean they would TRY and make it FIT with what have seen...

They could just NOT bother with Details or HOW this and THAT came to be...... 

ALIEN 3 being a Prime Example in Regards to the Eggs.

@NTFS

Love that Last Image ;)  Would like to see a New Race that would be similar introduced to the Franchise.

I think we have to look at this from the Comic Perspective and that Disney would have known the Franchises have Potential to make MONEY from other avenues than just Movies.

So its just a bit of FUN and Popcorn and its NOT like they Expecting us to take it Serious, as its Fun to read such things NOW and again.  There is a MARKET for it.

I think as far as us getting this kind of Cross-Over in a Movie is something i DOUBT we would see. 

@Leto

I have to check out MAX studio

I think as long as Disney does Respect that the ALIEN Franchise is suited to a Mature Audience their is SCOPE for it to be done Justice.....   The Punisher is a Good Example.

I think regardless of the Medium then you can cater for Stories that are more Action Packed/Popcorn while also do some with a more Serious/Horror/Thriller kind of Plot.

If a Avengers vs Aliens Comic would NOT be someones Cup of Tea then those people DONT have to Read them ;)

So i dont think we should PANIC and think this is the Direction that a Movie would take ;)

Hope to see plethora of dangerous creatures in future films and series in the Alien franchise. Some of these creatures will likely be at animal level of development. Looking forward to see super-intelligent alien life forms as well.

I’ve got a bad feeling about this drop.

daliens

David in the armor of Iron Man. Not talking about the film. But I would definitely read such a comic!

And biomechanical Thanos as a renegade-engineer.

MonsterZero

Marvel/Disney said they would not throw away any previous assets. That is, they will not refuse either prequels or other projects. Appearance is certainly another matter. But I do not think that the issue price will be high.

Can they get the rights for David(fassbender)? or Ripley(Weaver)? Marvel/Disney may have deep pockets, but I doubt they're gonna pay for their likeness.

Lawyers and rights attorneys are gonna kill most of this series before it starts. 

Doesn't look like David either. Could be a clone from Star Wars?

I am afraid - this is Iron Man - android. Look - wires and metal instead of the spine.

Leto

Ironman will die by the hand of Predator, please see spoiler photo:

Just imagine: the Black Widow descends into the sewer and sees Thor in the process of egg morphing.
Thor:
- Please ... Kill ... Me ...

daliens

Просто представь: Чёрная Вдова спускается в канализацию и видит Тора в процессе egg morphing.
Тор:
- Please... Kill... Me...

Or the Hulk, who breaks the Queen’s neck, and then turns into an normal human. Suddenly he begins to cough up blood and chestburster tears his chest.

Or Ironman who is piloting a juggernaut and suddenly killed by a chestburster. Juggernaut falls on LV-426, and then ... Alien. Perfect prequel!

Second thoughts. If Alien and Predator would eliminate all the Marvel super heroes, it's not such a bad move. Then, when there's no one left to fight, we could hope for a return to the Alien and Predator universe. Respectively.

BigDave

>>>A BIG QUESTION for Alien : Resurrection was WHY would they result to Cloning Ripley to get a Xenomorph?

I don’t think you need to suffer from overthinking every time you come across lazy writing.

>>>Its also interesting you bring up the Failed Ripley 7 Queen.

It would be most rational to think that Queen 7 repeated the fate of Queens 1-6. That is - it was dead/degraded. And it was not suitable for any experiments, except for an autopsy.

Given the fact that scientists aboard Auriga were a kind of perfectionist fanatics, we can assume that Queen 7 was a useless abomination for them.

In addition, experiments on Auriga have not been approved by the USM. I do not think that there was a second base/ship for additional experiments.

ignorantGuy

Alien is Jonesy's nightmare.

Jonesy's existence is the Last Engineer's nightmare.

The Last Engineers and Prometheus is the Shaw's nightmare.

Shaw's existence is Dr. Watts' nightmare.

Dr. Watts existence is Roby's nightmare.

Roby's existence is Star Beast's nightmare.

Star Beast is a nightmare of the Cosmos.

>>>I just think with more Serious Stories that are aimed at the more Over 15 Year Olds is something that in Comic Form we would see LESS of from Marvel as opposed to Dark Horse.

Marvel has a MAX studio for cruel products. Sometimes they show such brutality that you will never find in DH.

BlackAnt  Easy. Disney doesn't know how to handle its aquisition but knows there is a large fan base and possible profits. It hands it over to Marvel to see what they can do with it. If Disney likes it and thinks it could make a few bucks, the project could be green lit. There is no need to make it complicated.

Svanya Thank you. Considering only the Quadrilogy, it seems that the tubes could function as both "spinnerets" for creating resin as well as a way to breathe. That would be consistent with Alien, Aliens and sort of Resurrection. The Runner in A3 didn't require those attributes for that movie and so it makes sense they were left out. It is difficult to say for Resurrection since there was a hive with resin, Xenomorphs effortlessly functioning underwater and apparent exhalation observed in the OP video. I suppose I would let it ride with the idea that they were genetically engineered/mutant Xenomorphs.

@dk

Seriously dk seriously!!! LOL Disney owns MARVEL...lock stock and two smoking barrels! How will anything be different when Disney is writing all the checks....HOW?
You do understand how corporations work right......

I can't take it any more BigDave take them to school!

Take these people to school!!!!! 

There used to be a really wonderful blog that explained these things in depth,sadly I can't find it anymore. I also can't find the old post I made about the tubes way back when based on what this blog said. (There were Giger images to support the theory).

Anyways, the dorsal tubes were used to secrete the resin that made the hive walls/coocoons. Like a spider's spinnerets. The Alien was positioned upside down while spinning the resin. 

Here is another source that talks about it: Xeno Dorsal Spines

For Ripley: Continue with her and CGI treatment after Resurrection or just give her some voice overs (ala Paul) or silhouetted cameo shots if after Alien/Aliens. Easy peasy. But as a main character? Nah, let her rest.

@BigDave

"How would you feel if this IDEA of Hill/Giler throws us a CURVE-BALL."????

Ohhh BigDave how could you! how could you!

I think this is how we might feel watching that kind of movie in the first place!!!! 

A hundred posts later and I thought we all agree the Alien Ripley story is a horrrrrrrrible idea!!! HORRRIDDDABLE!!!

This narrative just get classier and classier by each post....

I like the idea of showing the story of Hadley's Hope. There was a decent chunk in Aliens' DC explained. I ran into another independent piece that could help flesh out your story as well. Alien Supremacy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpAD0kI4fm8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpAD0kI4fm8

The Quadrilogy will always be near and dear to me.

As for the future of the franchise, I would rather see it in Marvel's hands than Disney's- and those are the choices we have.

I am on record for enjoying AvP (but hate AvPR), and enjoy it for what it is. I think Marvel could make a decent movie as long as it doesn't get too campy and bring in unrelated characters like The Hulk and such. Bring it on and let's see what you've got, Marvel!