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Yeah that must be it! You solved it! EUREKA!

We must a have a failure in communication here.

They emit that Elephant sound from Aliens. Trunks like an Elephant. 

My original intention was to have the original Xennomorph Aliens in there while at the same time weaving-in Prometheus suggestive content & something new (to a degree) something familiar yet has been far removed from its original form. What could be the "thing" that has the Alien Xenomorph on defense & possibly terrified? Only something that is 180 degrees in the utter opposite from what it is. An infestation infesting the infestors! Try saying THAT when Your sober!

I assure You all I do not want this thing to be parried-up with the likes of Aliens vs Predators. I want to see not only characters evolve into a better fleshed-out version of themselves (i.e: Ripley, Newt, Burke, etc.) Equally, I want to see the Alien be challenged & tested by nature too. What better way than to see the creature have to face "itself" but perhaps the Human factor could have been that face-hugging a virus-ridden Human - lets say - could have began the whole "patient zero" concept for the "puritain" Xenomorphs. I don't know whether-or-not they can sense infected. sickly people & so wouldn't attempt to facehug that particular person to start with.

I would love a ping-ponging back-&-forth story where Our Heroe's & Villains are established as being in danger to the Xenomorph in some capacity/varying capacity, then over the course of a protracted story the threat level is amped-up a gear. Suddenly a larger skin of the onion is revealed & the grim nature of the "new" reality Our Heroes/Villians & Us, the Audience are now fully commited to dealing with. What would be compelling in some way is that many have encountered the Xenomorphs fleeing/fighting/dieing at the enconters with the infected Xeno-Horde menace. those people briefly witness the wall of infected surging into their colonies, smashing through obstacles, swarming structeres & causing things to break down as there are nobody left now to service the technology.

I always wondered if a scene a bit like Hickes peering up into the "attic" moment so-to-speak could begin a story, yes, You would see the brief glimpses of the Xenomorph but then rapid, on-coming destruction caused by the rabid Alien Horde crashing litterally through the superstructure to get at the "living"... in all its abhorent descriptions.

I could run the risk of copying but I am inspired by what I like just as George Lucas & Dave Filoni are paying homage to their favorite things/subject matter/intellectual fan wants & desires throughout the Clone Wars series. That's what motivates Me to want to weave themes together into some suggestion of a nugget but at a very hyper-raw stage, I would (fan likes & feed-back on here permitting) to proceed in futhering the idea now that a few of You jumped onto it with Me & that feels kinda'-cool!

So, if You all out there will indulge Me, I may try & weave this idea with You together, see where it goes-Huh! I kinda'like explosive beginnings to films sometimes. Others, I like the slow-burn-effect where the "event" builds on itself until Mid-Climax the said "event" breaks-out & You spend the second half of the film/movie watching the characters We-All just got to know get slowly wiped-out, developed further & elevated into legendary status & so-on.

I will try & post more things on here about other key scenes that I thought of before & without wanting nor trying to be or sound or come-off sounding repettitive. I would like to pursue some more of this to chit-chat with You all about. That's what's great about fan-service, it's a quiet thought process that is very rewarding when it goes in a welcomed direction. Sometimes its a hit & miss affair, but I'm always on the look-out for cool nugget-of-an-idea to riff-off-of about to someone who'll listen too! :-D !

We try sooooo hard to give you people good ideas and then....we get this back!

Maybe they are giant blenders where they make margaritas for a big dance party!!!! 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NEaWfRxyd4

Or hidden liquor tubes!!!!

!Special Bonus!

PLAY THESE SONGS - WARNING EXTREMELY ADDICTING MUSIC PLAY AT YOUR OWN RISK!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IaTNhUcXY0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NArhMqWkhDU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6S4jV77q7M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXLXervt954

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii-8I1vtSm8

In my opinion the dorsal tubes have no physiological function, they just add some weight to the skinny silhouette, make it look more impressive, like the crown for a king.

I would not be surprised if in the third film we got the Queen, which some scientist will try to stroke. xDDD

Isn't that what the fans of "the most recognizable film in the franchise" (quote BigDave) want?

>>>i mean look at the Alien Covenant Poster with Engineers vs Xenomorphs......  WTF they playing at?

Yeah! The poster promised us a mythical massacre. Add to this the footage from the filming with monumental stairs and charred engineers. But in the end - "Cabin in the woods."

>>>The Emphasis on David is maybe too much...

David is alright. Walter too. But other characters are neglected. Given that this is the second film in a row with this attitude to the characters, I would not be surprised if in the third film we got the Queen, which some scientist will try to stroke. xDDD

I forgot to add that Aliens has the most stupid soundtrack.

It should have been released on VHS only.

Alien3 is more of a war movie than Aliens, although it had no fire arms.

Leto

I think David is the most complex character of the franchise and he still has a lot to offer.

And I like a lot the good war movies.

What I don't like and don't want to see again is marines shooting aliens and generally any Cameron style Aliens, no matter how good are the special effects. 

In my humble opinion the best characters were in Alien3, Alien and Alien Covenant. The rest don't matter too much.

On the other hand, killing Newt, Hicks and Ripley in Alien3 was the best decision, like killing Shaw and the Engineers in Alien Covenant. I would have enjoyed, however to have explored more the Engineers' world and myths, but for that you don't need any living Engineer. Ask David.

Enjoy your popcorn!

"Few expected to see xenomorphs in Prometheus. Those who followed the process of making the film knew that there would be no xeno"

I see the Good Point... but we have to remember only a SMALL % of the Box Office takings would be from Fans who would Invest more time into Following the Movies Production and visit SITES like this.

"the film was advertised as "find the answers". It was even a slogan for a stand for Blu-ray discs six months after the release. There were no answers in the film. WTF?"

Have to Totally Agree with this..... they have been Misleading us.... i mean look at the Alien Covenant Poster with Engineers vs Xenomorphs......  WTF they playing at?

Trying to ROPE us into something thats NOT there, which is well NOT NICE of them ;)

"And in the end, the xenomorph is again to blame."

Some may, but i dont think the Xenomorph is to blame for the Pickle we are in NOW....  I also agree the Characters have NOT been too Good...

The Emphasis on David is maybe too much...

"I would never have thought that Aliens-hater himself would explain why people love Aliens so much, but not the adventures of philosopher colonists"

I think thats a Valid Point Leto..

I think the PROBLEM is that Fans have their own Likes/Dislikes, and YES we know ALIENS is maybe the Most Recognizable of the Franchise.

The Prequels was a Attempt to Give some Answers to the Xenomorph Origins and WHO was the Space Jockey, but its PLOT was NOT to be purely Based on Xenomorphs.

We would have had the Prequel as a BRIDGE so that it goes to Indicate more about the Xenomorph and Purpose but then it left it OPEN to go off to STEER AWAY from LV-426 and Xenomorphs.  And to cover the Space Jockey Plot (Engineers).

The Problem with PROMETHEUS was they Toned Down the ALIENY aspect... the Monsters and Clues to the Xenomorph Origins and LV-426... this was DONE too FAR that it Did-Not give enough of a BRIDGE to ALIEN.

So then FOX had felt that you have to Actually go and MAKE a Direct Prequel Series with THOSE Answers...

Thus it has KIND OF made a Sacrifice and Limitation on what a Sequel that STEERED AWAY from the Xenomorph/LV-426 could have been.

While giving a PLOT that has DISAPPOINTED so many (David Creator)

In HINDSIGHT then a Sequel that is Similar to what i Proposed instead of Alien Covenant, and so more of a Alien Engineers Re-Visit to LV-223 could have Provide more Clues/Answers to the Xenomorph, could have given a Action/Horror that was more Action than Alien Covenant and i think Pleased the ALIEN/ALIENS Fans more.

THEN you could have had another Parallel Sequel that goes off with David and Dr Shaw and NOT have to be Shackled to the Answers of LV-223 or LV-426 and Explore the other Themes and Philosophy.

The LV-223 Movie could lead to Special Order 937 but also let the Fans go and WONDER... what other Worlds did the Engineers Attempt to Send those Egg Filled Ships too... or even Black Goo too.

so you then HAVE other Avenues for ALIEN Movies about Xenomorphs or other Horrors that does-not have to Connect to where David and Dr Shaw go Next..

You have then BRANCHED the Franchise into Expanding a ALIEN Franchise while you STILL have the Philosophical/Creators Spin Off that is NOT about ALIEN.

But what is DONE is DONE...

BigDave

>>>I still felt the BEST way to give those Answers would have been another Return to LV-223, you think the Company are just going to NOT want to Discover what Happened

You should try to look from the point of view of an regular viewer. And then two uncomfortable questions arise:

1) Why should I again go to the film about the dead and desert (synonymous with “boring)" stone in space? Contrary to all expectations, xenomorphs will not lure the public.

2) Uh, oh, doesn't that look like working on bugs, an attempt to make the "right" Prometheus? It does not look like an attempt to give answers. Because in the minds of the viewer, the LV-223 is an unanswered trap.

Here's why:

>>>I would assume some of the STUFF they held back they do so, so that the First Movie has Questions

Questions.

Few expected to see xenomorphs in Prometheus. Those who followed the process of making the film knew that there would be no xeno. Check.

Reluctantly, some people have accepted the humanoid Space Jockeys / Engineers.They also appeared in early interviews and teasers. Check.
The behavior of the characters has become the main source of parodies. No one expected this. But at least it was pretty fun, right? Check.

And now the main thing - questions. If you lived on Earth in 2012 in our dimension, then you know that even after removing the xenomorphs, the film was advertised as "find the answers". It was even a slogan for a stand for Blu-ray discs six months after the release. There were no answers in the film. WTF?

People came to the film for answers, but received questions. And people were not mistaken - because everyone including FOX, director and writers talked about the answers. It's funny enough that Covenant once again did what Prometheus had to do.

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Returning to the characters. Funny enough, Ridley again gave the characters strange behavior. I think we should ask - how elaborate will the characters in the third sequel be? And in the fourth?

Will all the forces of the maestro again be directed to the android? And the rest of the characters will take off spacesuits in space and try to stroke the monster?

And in the end, the xenomorph is again to blame.

daliens

Yes, they eat and so what? Theater is fun.

But more importantly, it explains why people prefer complex characters instead of deep meaning.

"Yes. This. It was a mistake. Use the planned trilogy approach for essentially separate films"

I think the majority of the Franchise was SET to NOT require a Sequel....  With ALIEN then i think that was OPEN to a Sequel, with ALIENS and ALIEN 3 i think they Ended in a way to Not Require any....  ALIEN R likewise.

Prometheus kind of DID leave it as to Wondering where David and Dr Shaw go Next (same with prior Drafts). I think RS saw the Potential to open up a Expanded Spin Off but he knew it was Dependent on the Success of the First Prequel.   I would assume some of the STUFF they held back they do so, so that the First Movie has Questions, which Fans will Speculate on, which could Generate a Interest to then Continue with some Answers.... 

The ambiguity of Prometheus and what potentially it could SET-UP has led to many Debates and Questions, much like ALIEN had too (Space Jockey, Eggs) so i would say that YES to a degree some STUFF is left out as a Carrot to want Fans to see a Sequel to get  Answers.

If NO sequel is made then it leaves it a Mystery which some Fans are ok with and other prefer to have Answers.  I wonder how many Fans in HINDSIGHT.. would wish that a Sequel (AC) had not attempted to give any Answers to the Eggs Origins?  And would RATHER have NO Answers than what we seem to be getting?

With Alien Covenant we are informed that THIS is now a Series of Prequels that WILL lead us to the Back Door of ALIEN, so the SET UP is that we are MORE than a Single Movie from getting to ALIEN... at the Time RS had indicated it would take maybe 2 more Movies before we get to ALIEN.  So in affect he was Planning for a Trilogy from Alien Covenant.   But its a Trilogy where you have to Question IF they have the Next Two Movies Planned out?

The Pitfall we have is that with AC not doing well and not getting Rave Reviews... then it becomes a Prequel in LIMBO..

"Alien Covenant was a MISTAKE!"

When i mention this, i understand the Developmental Problems as they could NOT really come up with a Story they was Pleased with Until 2015

I think it was a Mistake in that i feel you NEVER had to Force a Continuation of Davids Arc to LINK to the Origins of the Xenomorph.

I still felt the BEST way to give those Answers would have been another Return to LV-223, you think the Company are just going to NOT want to Discover what Happened.. and when we Eventually got Special Order 937 its a case of where did this come from and WHY would they bypass LV-223.

So a Return to LV-223 would give some Closure to ALIEN as you can Uncover more about LV-426 from this (Prometheus they barely Scratched the Surface of those 5 Complexes). So you can give a more Action and Alieny Flick with Monsters similar to the Xenomorph, where you can give more Clues/Answers to WHAT the Engineers where doing on LV-223 and WHAT had gone down to Cause the Outbreak.... and indicate that a Remnants of the Experiments is on LV-426.

Door to ALIEN is then CLOSED..

A Prometheus Sequel with David and Dr Shaw would then NOT be Restrained to Answer what Happened on LV-223 or the Xenomorph, and have more Freedom to Explore other things.... which still could Eventually be the Unleashing of a Horror.

Prometheus had OPENED up a Pandora's Box of Horrors and Potential...  with Alien Covenant it kind of PUT the Franchise BACK into the BOX.

A Franchise that is inside a BOX its a case of how many Eggs can you FIT into that Box ;)  (we have had 4 so FAR)

Leto

That explains why people eat popcorn in the theaters. 

The tubes are a bimechanical air jetpack. Xeno draws air in them. Then it pumps internal pressure and warms up. After all shoots out of them with compressed air at high speed. This allows xeno to make giant leaps and move quickly.

If xeno picks up air in advance, and then finds itself in a vacuum in space, it will be able to maneuver, releasing air in portions.

Isolation has a novel.

TITANPOINTE

>>>This game deserves to be tv series.

Yes, but there is an uncomfortable moment here - spoilers. I don’t think the video game is lower than a book or movie. This is the same type of art.

And an attempt to recreate it on the screen leads to the thought - "Ah, I already saw it. Moreover, I myself participated. Why should I watch it?"

A great idea would be to create a continuation of Isolation on the screen. But we already have a mobile game and some comic sequels.

The best thing would be to make a retcon or make such big changes so that the movie diverges from the game in the most significant events and outcomes.

daliens

You write total BS.

>>>most people want to see characters and landscapes they can relate with

>>>some heavily armed marines shooting around

LMAO. I would never have thought that Aliens-hater himself would explain why people love Aliens so much, but not the adventures of philosopher colonists.

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my first thought was when I saw these tubes, they were chimneys for discharging by-products of metabolism, metabolism of the nuclear reactor. the creation seemed to have some sort of energy production system. the stranger from Prometheus had fewer cables on his body. in the original alien he already had a biomechanical body as if David had further modified it or somehow connected himself to this creature and then he could have been able to survive in space and the poisonous environment and became a perfect being able to survive in all conditions. Ash said "His perfection in construction matches his innate savage"  or something like that

@daliens

That is probably the best scene in the entire film.

The tubes could be many things. They may be used to filter things out to make many different conditions breathable. They may be for communications, sending out signals to sense things further out in the environment. They could be also being used to make food for the alien. This is a Bio-Mechanical machine and it most likely can convert light into energy like a plant but faster and more efficent.

The tubes could also store liquids to drink or chill the air to provide condensation to get water and then break the bonds of water into hydrogen to make energy from the hydrogen.

The tubes could be used to excrete poisons convert it. It may be how the Alien goes to the bathroom....but when it does it processes so many different things that has to eliminate them through different tubes rapidly...chemistry produces reactions that happen fast but they might be able to use that energy in the reaction to convert materials in the environment into the hives we see them secrete.

The tubes could make many different chemicals from other things collected in the environment. 

The tubes could also be some type of storage for power.

The tubes could also be for some other type of field that gets controlled through them...I see these Xenos scale walls and crawl on the ceiling upside down....the tubes may affect gravity some how making the Xeno very light weight but then when it attacks it has a lot of weight.....

You come up with some ideas now too!

If the tubes were for breathing, all the xenos should have them, but it's not the case.

I think I read somewhere they are used to secret some resin to build the nest.

Don't know what Giger thought of it.

BigDave might know better.

The destruction of a colony/hive was also discussed here but in a different way:

https://www.scified.com/topic/49670

To the OP, there is a lot going on and it  sounds really good. It might also be interesting to add a real world aspect like cordyceps. Just a thought.

That would be a way to destroy an alien colony, by infecting them with some virus and let them kill each other.

However, I don't think I want to see it in a film, maybe like a flashback scene only.

Anything going the AVP direction no good.

Alien 01 is very interesting. It seems like it would be best explored episodically instead of theatrically considering budgets and audience as well as the scope of the story. This would be great to see as a Netflix or other series service.

Isolation is an outstanding game. The Joes were worse than the Xenomorph imo. Creative Assembly nailed it.

Nice screen shots for that level. It was probably the only level you didn't have to worry about being killed.

Isolation deserves a canonical movie or streaming series imo.

Thank You DK, that's GREAT of You... Great that You're here, participating. Thank You very much...

Hmm........interesting.

Hello BlackAnt, You kow You're a real cool person, thank You for You're great response, I really think You are a good inspiration to chat with, it's good to know that You read it so thank You very much for considering My proposal. If, for the fact that individuals like yourselves took the time to read it is such a cool thing to know so thanks! Thank You kindly. I am going deep into other peoples threads too so be expecting My responses to appear any-time-soon upon Your posts & proposals too! You Are All GREAT!!

@The Film Theory Of Everything

Hey interesting ideas for sure....I like your enthusiasm....hummm where is the rest of the Alien franchise fans with great ideas like this!....

That's the spirt! and I mean that keep up the good work because this is exactly how it is done in the real movie industry! We bounce these ideas around and see what sticks....this is not how I would go with things but we have to test it right! So great job! and keep the ideas coming! Never stop that is the key to success! You always keep at it no matter what!

AWESOME!

BigDave! What's Happening Dogg! I always welcome feed-back from yourself Good-Sir. I hear what Your saying & appriciate Your taking the time to get involved with My idea. It is great to be interacting with the likes of yourself & others again after a long hiatus away so thank You again Good-Fella'! Looking forward to more to come!

MonsterZero I'm loving your enthusiasm for My proposal & it's true that I have to iron out many things but it's a nugget that could be potentially built upon & I would love to see something of similar ilk.

I appiciate any-&-all who interact with Me & My ideas on here, there can be challenges too but it is fun when nuggets of ideas catch fire & tha's cool to discuss with You. I look forward to more conversations with Yourself too MonsterZero. Thank You kindly!

BlackAnt

Prometheus has a cool designs not bad. But until the mask of. 
The engineers face is so simple. And how they know engieers have a mask or suit. Maybe the original Space Jockey is exactly as it was. In addition, where they come from?
Only reasonable original answers died with our master Giger.

@BigDave

I think this concept work for the Engineers was exactly what they should have done from the start in Prometheus.

This concept is great too I just wish they would have scaled it to at least 20 feet.

Also BigDave I think you have the right idea that we are seeing just many different kinds of Engineers. You got it correct when you said we never saw the Elder Engineers on LV-223....they cut those scenes....so the Elder Engineers could look exactly like the ones depicted as 20 foot tall.

This is a crucial part of the entire plot detail for the franchise moving forward. 

I say this because think about it....the bigger, stronger, more complex your enemy is the greater the fight....you can take a movie franchise and expand upon it any way you want!

But first there must be a TV show on Disney + about Weyland Industries where we have a juggernaut, we have Xenos, we have David's two timing robot locked in a quantum entangled QUBIT computer we are in control of, unlocking all his research to manipulate the black goo and finally weaponize it for a larger set of surgical strikes against the real elder Engineers that are 20 foot tall.

BigDave I have the interview where the exact words come right out of RS own mouth about a bigger confrontation with the Engineers in a huge space battle OK! So this is where RS wanted to take the franchise.

Look at this interview with RS! 

Time index: 4:08. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo30bZc10D0

Interviewer, "Is that where you are going?"

RS, "Alien franchise should be into WAR OF THE WORLDS NOW, that is where I am going.....they don't know but that is what we are doing."

Now you understand everything!

So this leaves us with a few more tricks to play before its all been done and seen....and I read all your posts and you read mine so we both know how this all really works for future films. You want to open the door to the Engineers being threatened by us...maybe not being wiped out but we are a real threat to them - Prometheus is DAVID BigDave fire taken from the GODS!!!!!!!!!!...and maybe many more other hostile aliens don't like the Engineers as well.....then we can expand this franchise and take it anywhere we want.

You want a Higgs Field computer right....well lets see a TV show first about Weyland Industries where they are making one just about 75 years before Alien....right BigDave.

Prometheus power taken from the GODS! Power TAKEN FROM GOD!

Where have you been look at this logo! join the revolution today!

Weyland Industries is not building better worlds we are building better universes BigDave.....

Weyland Industries building better universes through Higgs Field quantum entangled computers! Join us and share in an infinite universe of possibilities!

Leto most people want to see characters and landscapes they can relate with, even if sci fi films, easily digestible. Later, looking at some scenery, they could say, look, this reminds me of the opening scene in Prometheus. How many people posting here don't want to see the continuation of the David's arc because they cannot relate to a robot? People want to see human characters, super heroes they can identify themselves with.

Show them some different form of life and they are unable to recognize intelligence in it if it is not humanoid. How many people agreed with the representation of the aliens in Denis Villeneuve's Arrival?

Why do you think that a biomechanical landscape, which I suppose would be quite expensive, would interest the general audience and subsequently their $$$$$$? Wouldn't that rather make them uncomfortable?

I honestly believe that the best solution in this moment is to let Ridley Scott do the sequel to Alien Covenant and evolve the beast somehow. Otherwise we have the space bugs running around and some heavily armed marines shooting around, some women and children to fake some screams, just to make it for all ages. This is the frame, you can't fit a good script in it.

Hehe thanks Big Dave. I'm also scientific researcher-writer I am working on my own nuclear energy projects. I don't have so much time for... But I have a one project want to create. :)

For now, I would like to share Space Jockey level in Alien Isolation game. 

>>>even when ONE would Disappoint like The Last Jedi, the 3rd was Guaranteed to be made because it was to be a Planned Trilogy.

>>>With the ALIEN Franchise this was NOT the case.. each Movie indeed was not LEFT to Guarantee a Sequel.

>>>With Prometheus we saw RS take a similar approach....

Yes. This. It was a mistake. Use the planned trilogy approach for essentially separate films.

>>>Alien Covenant was a MISTAKE!

Like Alien 3. Like Alien 3... This is not the continuation that people wanted to get, but rather a product of development hell. And constant rewriting and and changes of the mind. But there are people who like Alien 3. But there are people who like Covenant.

And here is an interesting thought - it seems to me that we must support retcons. After all, if the Alien 3 retcon works, then the AC retcon can also work!

>>>In Hindsight you could have had a Mission to LV-223 a more Military/Science Mission...

It does not sound inspiring. LV-426 was used twice, because at that time no one really thought about exploring other places. But now returning to LV-426, LV-223, Planet 4 is like stagnation.
This will work well in short cameos/memories. Or for example, the final act of Alien Awakening, where Derelict will crash on LV-426 at the end of the film. It can works. But the main place should be new. Not visited... by the viewer before. 

I will say it could leave it OPEN to introduce another Species above the Engineers, and to had revealed these to be a Not-So Human looking 15ft Bio-Mechanical Race.

So as Example the 2nd Image we see in GREEN the Chair... and what if the Space Jockey is either Bio-Mechanical or its Suit is as such but it has NO HELMET... instead we have a being with a Elongated Head that the Chair Connects to the Head and then to the Suit with a Breathing Apparatus that then Connects from the Suit to the Face?

So our TRUE Space Jockey without the Suit could look more like some of the Unused Fifield Concepts.

I would Love to see someone with the Talents of TITANPOINTE come up with a Space Jockey ;)