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Really everyone!!! REALLY!!!

This is why we cannot have nice things in this franchise!

GAME OVER!

That is beyond wacky to mix Alien with SUPER HERO FILMS!
Hey I know lets mix Alien with the Avengers and a soap opera on TV! That it! This gonna be great too...and then we can mix it with the Transformers too! 

Alien used to be a franchise worth something not anymore.....

BigDave

You r welcome, cheers! :)

>>>Potential for some Dark Sci-Fi

A bold statement! How many Dark Horse comics about Alien have you read? Some comics like F&S/L&D, Destroying Angels, Defiance, Aliens Book One/Two/Three are solid, but >2/3 are at best generic things.

But you must remember about Superman and Batman vs Aliens and Predator, Dredd vs Predator, Green Lantern Versus Aliens. Yes, now it's Marvel. But as if this had not happened before? Endless crossovers with DC!

A rhetorical question - should we keep things in their places for the sake of potential, if they work through time? Or try to find a new way? Isn't that the main wisdom from Ridley? Search for new ways.

MonsterZero

>>>Is this going to include Engineers/Prometheus/AC stuff?

Probably not right away. First they check the market with the help of the classics. But after - more than likely.

I think that it would be useful for many to find out that the only reason for the lack of Prometheus / AC content was FOX. They did not know where the prequels would go and what stories (to avoid contradictions) to write. Plus legal rights - did you know that Alien and Prometheus are two different brands?

Alex White said in one interview about The Cold Forge, something like: the pathogen inside facehuggers is the same Black Goo from Prometheus/Covenant. But he could not use it in the plot of the novel, because he (and probably Titan publishers too) did not have a license for Prometheus.

Of course, in this forum you can find conspiracy theory fans who sincerely believe that comics/books/games based on Prometheus are not created just because writers don’t like Prometheus. xDDDDDDD

@BigDave

Very funny stufffffffff bwhahahhahahahahhaha LOL AWESOME COME BACK BIGDAVE! I can always count on you to lift me out any bad day! 

This is all of us....Disney...and how this entire franchise is going right now! LOL

Well that Question has Changed somewhat with Alien Covenant.

A BIG QUESTION for Alien : Resurrection was WHY would they result to Cloning Ripley to get a Xenomorph?

You would have to ASSUME that there was NO-WHERE that the USM had knowledge of where you could OBTAIN any Xenomorphs or Related.

The Technology/Knowledge that allowed USM to obtain a Xenomorph from Ripley's DNA would surely mean they could Experiment with the Failed Ripley 7 Queen and maybe OBTAIN a more Pure Specimen?

Regardless of the Revelation about the Origins of the Xenomorph and the Derelict Cargo...  WE cant 100% assume the Derelict was the ONLY ship that had Eggs loaded into its Cargo Hold.

So there are Avenues to Obtain the Xenomorph....

To Continue....

Then as far as A.I goes then with David he is a THREAT... with the Engineers Secrets and Technology he becomes more of a THREAT

Once you Create a Superior A.I that becomes Sentient then ONCE that Genie is out the BOX your in Trouble.

Looking at what you mention about the Engineers Quantum Computing.... then INDEED... should David and other Synthetics have Access and Control over such things... then Mankind is well Screwed!  

With such POWER then David/Synthetics could INDEED look to seek out the Engineers for Domination and more Power.

so YES there is Potential to Expand the Franchise... but i think some of the BOLD ideas may be too Bold for what many would want from a ALIEN Franchise.

With Prometheus it opened up the Franchise.. took it out of the BOX.... but with AC it seems they placed it back into the BOX somewhat again.

@TITANPOINTE

I am SORRY this has Totally gone OFF TOPIC

Good Luck with all your Work and Thanks for the Sharing ;)

@BlackAnt

With Respect i can see your a NEW Member and so you have likely NOT came across a lot of what i have discussed over the years ;)

I have been a Strong Advocate for the SCOPE the Engineers Plot can and should Explore.  This PLOT does-not have to be Confined to the BOX that is the Zeta 2 System.   

*The Engineers indeed had Charts/Maps to other Galaxies and so its unlikely they just had them for No Reason.

*The Creators Plot in addition to above means we can ONLY imagine the Number of Worlds that have been Visited, Seeded and Manipulated by these beings.

*For a Race that have established Interstellar Travel many Millions of Years ago, then YES we cant even Fathom the Technology and Power these beings Posses.

*Indeed the earlier Concept/Idea had more about the Power these Engineers had gained, how they started to Perceive things beyond what our Senses could Sense. Plus a Agenda to Transcend to something ELSE!

*Our Engineers were also 15ft which when compared to Humans would appear to be Giants.

So with Prometheus then things got TONED down somewhat as FAR as what we saw as HOW powerful our would be GODS are... but THAT does not mean we could NOT explore places where we would FIND the Hierarchy/Elders who Posses Powers Beyond our Comprehension. 

So the Prequels have NOT really tapped into the Potential of those who are at the TOP of the Ladder so to Speak, and also would SUCH beings have to be Located on our Door Step?

Only for Plot Convenience.

There is still the Possibility to show us other Engineer Worlds that are FAR different to Planet 4, to introduce us to Engineers/Elders that are indeed 15-20ft Tall.

Where are these Engineers?  In a Galaxy FAR FAR away?

If this is the Case then in the GRAND Scheme of it all, Earth is but ONE Tiny Dot.... the LV-223 Facility and Outbreak just maybe ONE of many many such Places....  for such a Species they could decide to just Abandon LV-223 and let us to ROT and eventually Destroy Ourselves!

The Engineers are likely Arrogant and Ignorant... so Caught Up in their Achievements that they would THINK that without their HELP then Mankind abandoned Thousands of Years ago would NEVER be able to Reach the Stars!

They would TOTALLY NOT expect us never mind a Synthetic we have Created to be Turning Up at their Worlds...  If they was EVER concerned about the Potential Threat that we could Possess..... then after the EVENTS on Planet 4... then ONCE they discover what has HAPPENED they would soon have to START to have GRAVE Concerns for many of their Creations.. and would Certainly WANT to DESTROY Mankind.

@BlackAnt

Sorry Wrong David..... i think that Hamster has been taking Flute Lessons off David 8 ;)

@Gravity .86

Absolutely not all Kids are into Movies made for Kids, when i was a Kid i enjoyed a Fair Share of Horror and Dark Sci-Fi that was given a Cert 18 UK Certificate... but another point is WHAT would Scare kids or seem to be Inappropriate in the 70's and 80's does not effect kids of nowadays as it would back then.

The point i was making is that Disney would likely want to stick to Movies that are more Similar to Aliens and AVP as far as to feature multiple Xenomorphs and Action, and also i think Disney would TONE the Gore etc Down to PUSH a PG-13 so that means MORE can see the Movie at the Box Office.

There Certainly is a Horrific Story to be Told between when the Jordons Encountered the Xenomorph to the point that Newt was the ONLY Survivor... i just doubt we would ever get this Story shown on the Big Screen.

I think its a Story that would make a GREAT Survival Horror Game.

@BigDave

What makes you believe the elders ever %@#$! things up!

Maybe they are now aware of the power of humans and how far they have come......you ever considered that...they are not sure what information David transmitted back to Weyland Industries about how the black goo really works in context to applying it to really super powerful AI.....the entire thing about Alien BigDave has been this struggle between what is biological and what is machine....computers vs what we can think in our own minds....OBVIOUSLY the Elder 20 foot tall engineers have very powerful computers....however, they cannot violate causality!

OK! so no more nonsense....when things happen they happen for a reason...there is no such thing as causality loops that trap entire universes forever into the same construct over and over...that is nonsense...its always changing at the quantum level for eternity, which by the way is a very big place....you know how big eternity is?

No you dont so you have no idea how powerful an Elder machine is that is at least one million years more advanced or MORE!!!!!!!.....we are stealing fire from the GODS! we are bringing back Peter Weyland.....because the physics does allow for that.......it adds a lot more that we can work with and gets us out of the stupidy of alien 3 and 4....and onto real things that matter...you like things that matter right.....or you want to watch dumb and dumber play out with some contrite scenes with some soap opera takes on David's story line....what a putrid waste that would be. Time is of the essence BigDave make the most of it while you can.

David pulled a fast one with that Juggernaut that is it end of story...you think he Killed every Engineer on every single planet they inhabit....these things exist all over the Galaxy and other galaxies MAN!

As far as being kid friendly I took my kids to see Prometheus when it came out. They loved every second of it. Disney kids they hardly are. 

@BigDave......

Is that a picture of you sucking on that tube.......realy BigDave!!!!

Are there any xenomorphs left after Alien : Resurrection?!

Was the Auriga their only supply? All their eggs in one basket so to speak?

To me this is where the sequel needs to start: where does the new supply of ovomorphs come from?

Guess I don't care.

the movies will always be number one on my list...(for the soundtrack alone!)

1. movies

2. novels

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3. comic books / video games.

Wouldn't mind some alternate universe stuff.....

Is this going to include Engineers/Prometheus/AC stuff?

Indeed LETO we have some Continuations to that Story (Amanda Ripley) that are being told in Comics, i think its Interesting to give her a Story, one that should STAY within the Confines of Comics and Games.

A Interesting thing after i saw ALIENS quite a number of Times is i kinda NEVER brought the Story that Burke had fed Ripley about her Daughter.... i felt something could be FISHY!

And so with the Isolation Series then indeed it could be made to TIE-IN that Amanda's Life and Death are NOT what the Company have informed her about....

I will add that i think with Dark Horse at least their was the Potential for some Dark Sci-Fi within the Franchise with a more Serious Tone... not too Often though!

But with Marvel Comics.... even if we get Stand Alone Comics for ALIEN and PREDATOR i think they will be very PG-Popcorn Related.

@Hadar

I applaud you ;)

Certainly i think its the WAY to go as far as IF they want to bring Miss Weaver back ;)

I have quite a Number of Times brought up a FEW ideas to HOW you could do that and GET OVER... a Excessive use of CGI to De-Age our Ripley 8

Its also interesting you bring up the Failed Ripley 7 Queen.

Where did that GET TO?

I had a idea for where that got taken to as a Parallel Movie to Alien Resurrection (Happens around the same Time-Period)

"A film that brings money into this franchise for a long time and it is not about LV-426 and the alien family story....we know it is not that film"

Unfortunately i DOUBT such a Film would Exist.... because you WONT be able to Please everyone!

More likely that Disney would give us near Carbon Copy of something similar to Aliens and AVP.... but maybe they would EXPLORE whats Beyond the Xenomorph and then Change the Engineers but it would be something maybe more like Marvels Thanos.

At least we will FINALLY see the ULTRA ULTRAMORPH!

"I’ve seen every movie they’ve ever been in, and I cannot wait to see them wreaking havoc in the Marvel Universe"

Told a Friend about this and well he is VERY EXCITED!

But he LOVES...... Power Rangers enough said! and ALIENS and AVP are his Favorite Alien Movies... Prometheus and Alien 3 ones he DONT LIKE!

To be fair if its just Non-Canon Popcorn Comics then i Guess if its FUN for some and makes MONEY then so be it.

I think it GIVES those a Disney more Control/Direction over HOW they want to Portray the Franchise....

IF they are Planning to TAKE such Cross Overs beyond Comics then they may as well KILL the Franchise DEAD!

As this would surely CREMATE the Beast and well make The Predator seem actually Quite a Serious Sci-Fi

"If you read about the power the engineers really have they are almost between flesh and taking on a presence in higher dimensions as god like beings...time is no longer a barrier to them.....how much more simple can I make this."

Well its interesting to Speculate and indeed the Alien 01 The Master Narrative was indicating HOW FAR the Engineers seemed to have come compared to say what we saw in Prometheus and also that they FELT they was on the Verge of a Great Break-though to Transcend past a Physical Body and Existence.

And so YES we could apply such a Plot in Future.

With the Scale i was merely pointing out that our Space Jockey CHAIR would accommodate a 12-15ft being.

Indeed the Intention was 27ft Tall, but in Reality the First Shot would have appeared to be about 21ft... close up 13-15ft.

I know your talking about CHANGE and that you can Expand the Franchise with NEW things and so YES.. you could introduce another RACE that are above the Engineers who are indeed 20ft Tall.  A Species who DONT even have to be Humanoid and Possess so much POWER they would appear as GODLIKE.

Regarding the Engineers in Context to "taking on a presence in higher dimensions as god like beings" then YES i think you could still go for this PLOT but then you have to Wonder to WHAT is the Relation to the Planet 4 Engineers and HOW did such a Godlike Race go and $£%$^ things up for themselves.

@BigDave

CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT!!!!!!!! 

We keep going back and forth with this idea of metrics....you are correct the space jockey in the seat of the juggernaut is about the size we see in Prometheus...very good assessment.....

Seriously though BigDave you believe the new film is predicated on some soap opera affairs that have in-depth shots of a few new clever scenes with David's arch and the rest of that nonsense.....wrap it all up in a neat bow and move on to bigger an better things....reread what I wrote....that is the next film! because it is infinitely possible for anything.....it allows for the introduction of literally anything....and gives these new never before seen 20 foot tall ruling Aliens over the Engineers something they have to make sure they fight to the very end to stop.

I mean BigDave I know you read a lot of posts but really. You don't think computers that powerful are what they are!

I will say it again...we figure out from the black goo how to really have the power of it through another sub atomic field......We take fire from the GODS!!!!! and the 20 foot tall ruling elite don't like that!!!!!!

That is a lot of power! You could take a movie franchise in almost any direction because of the power it gives anyone that has it....that is the point of these movies....it has to be teased out correctly....with the sets, actors, and special effects....I SAID THINGS WE HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE IN FILM.....WE WANT SOMETHING NEW WITH SUBSTANCE!!!

Weyland Industries building better universes....not just better worlds. 

Weyland comes back with power like this....he never dies! 

If you read about the power the engineers really have they are almost between flesh and taking on a presence in higher dimensions as god like beings...time is no longer a barrier to them.....how much more simple can I make this.

@Gravity .86

Hey welcome back!

About that bridge idea....for the love of God why is everyone persisting with crazy ideas, Why??????????? 

This franchise is in a complicated mess.....do the wrong film and it is gone for good.

Why? why take any sucky idea and just say ahhhh let's go with that film....see this little guy he wants to see the that story too.

I mean at least try and think of some better ideas....case in point. We all know there is much stronger film to be made. A film that brings money into this franchise for a long time and it is not about LV-426 and the alien family story....we know it is not that film....but what film could it be....that is the real question.

the alien and predator franchise is now dead to me

I'm excited.

Dark Horse has created legendary comics that are forever in our hearts. But the hearts must also be open to the new blood.

I think Bob Chapek is going to really shake things up & go ALL-IN on key franchises, giving Us fans truley what We want & have wanted for ages: THE DIVINITIVE VERSION/S & CONTENT OF FILMS THE WAY THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE. The cheese factor taken out of them & restoring film narratives to how the originals that spawned them came about in the first place.

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Well eff me? Of course someone had thought this up. 

Ant Man and Wasp should fight against Predator, on the Xenomorph side.

It's a bug thing.

Ant Man and Wasp versus the Black Goo.

They shrink down and battle the pathogen on it's own terms!

That sounds like River of Pain.

https://www.amazon.com/Alien-River-Pain-Novel-3-ebook/dp/B00KPBBTS6?ie=UTF8&redirect=true&ref_=series_dp_rw_ca_3

Not sure if Disney wants to deal with children (and their horrific deaths) in movies?

You can't really market the franchise as kid friendly? 

Still, it's always possible fans will see some sort of Alien vs. Predator vs. Avengers crossover down the road. (IGN).

THE END.

It's David Finch, not Fincher. So Marvel will do the comics then the films after the comics.

I can't afford any high hopes for the moment.

Not a Marvel / Disney fan.

Hi,

I did not read the whole discussion, sorry, so I may repeat some arguments, but still I want add my two cents.

Firstly I am against ignoring any Alien films (except AvP) it would be disrespectful for those films, actors, crew members and fans. But I would be more than open to creating BluRay/Disney+ re-editions of Prometheus, Alien: Covenant, Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection that would fixed problems an inconsistencies and would be new canon and Alien 5 would be sequel for the new cannon.

Saying that I would love to see direct sequel to Alien Resurrection. And it is only option for seeing Sigourney Weaver without de-ageing fighting Xenomorphs due to her Xeno DNA. Just imagine that Queen in Alien Resurrection was taken from Ripley 7 and that from Ripley 8 was transported on to another military base. United Systems Military would learn from the epic disaster of USM Auriga and would be far better prepared for potential Xenomorph escape. I have some cool ideas to be included in script (e.g.  Annalee Call's religiosity and can she even be a Christian, especially that she follows ultra conservative branch of Catholics like SSPX), but I still don't have ideas for the main action parts (I imagine that USM would like to take advantage of that Xenomorphs would treat Ripley 8 as part to the hive.

@BlackAnt

Scale is always a Funny thing to Gauge ;)

Above is what a 20ft Engineer would look like compared to a Human and a 13ft Engineer (which is my Estimate for the Space Jockey Size).  I think even if we introduce something to NEW to be the Space Jockey then the 20ft Scale would be RIGHT if we look at the Shot from when the Nostromo Crew Enter the Pilot Chamber... but the Illusion is ruined at Close Shots where the Space Jockey Prop was 16ft in Length.

I think introducing the Space Jockey to be 10-12ft that has Grown out of the Chair would be Sufficient ;)

It is a Shame that with Prometheus we never used Digital Effects to give us at least 10ft Tall Engineers.

The WAR OF THE WORLDS comment comes across as Tongue in Cheek...

I think RS intends to have Continued the Prequels to Connect to ALIEN (another TWO) but then he would think the PLOT would leave it OPEN to then go about with a War of the Worlds...

A War of the Worlds Plot would Conflict with the Franchise unless.

1) It is SET after ALIENS so in the Time-Line of 2180+

2) RS intended to RETCON the Franchise after ALIEN.

3) The WAR takes place in a FAR part of the Galaxy away from Mankind on Earth.

Certainly for Weyland-Yutani their would be more Interesting things to had gained from the Engineers than the Bio-Weapon and Never mind the Xenomorph.

Well i think the IDEA does offer some Interesting ways to Evolve the Story.

1) If this Virus/Infection is Engineered by Humans or Engineers to RID of the Xenomorph Plague you would be WISE to have a KILL SWITCH or something with the resulting Zombie-Morphs where they would Eventually DIE-OUT.

If you Fail to do so... or they Mutate to continue to Procreate then the Creator of the Virus would have just replaced ONE threat with a Greater One.

2) If NOT option (1) then maybe the ONLY way to Combat the Zomie-morphs would be to Experiment and Engineer the Xenomorphs to gain some Immunity to the Virus and THUS you can then USE them to Extinguish the Threat.

But we know that Experimenting with stuff can OFTEN lead to a HUBRIS.

So Actually the PLOT does have some Options to Expand into NEW Territory ;)

Welcome Back

I think that Certainly there is a Horrific Story that preceded Aliens,  the Fall of Hadleys Hope.

I am not so sure Theatrically it would be a GREEN LIGHT though, because we kind of KNOW what Happened from Aliens.

A Novel or Comic adaption however would be Interesting.

Maybe more so... a Survival Horror Game!  but this is something that Someone who posts on here has been working on for a Number of Years.

ALIEN: HOPE FOR THE FUTURE

Well i think its STILL one of the Mysteries with the Xenomorph.  There are some Interesting Explanations on here and some FAR OUT wild ones lol

But at the END of the Day they are just Carried over from the HR Giger Necronom 4 Art and so maybe ONLY he had the Real Purpose and this could merely be to look Aesthetically Alien and Different with NO Purpose.

If we are trying to Logically come up with a Reason for them, we have to maybe consider what would Conflict what we think about them.

Do they release Pheromones, Particles that Effect the Environment?  Do they regulate Temperature, do they play a Role in the Xenomorphs Metabolism or Digestive System (Xenomorph Fart Flutes) who knows!

I think we have to look at WHO/WHAT does-not have them...

The Queen lacks them so Unless the Queen is much Different from a Biological Standpoint then for each Reason we can think of for them we have to look at the Queen.. Breathing Pipes?  Then WHY does the Queen not have them etc.

Then you have to look at WHY the Runner in Alien 3 does-not have them? Although it was Intended to have them but then Fincher at Shooting said NAH! leave them OFF.

When looking at the Movies then i think the Most Logical Explanations is they have something to do with the Cocooning/Hive Wall Construction.   But if you IGNORE the Deleted Scene in ALIEN we cant tell if the Drone can encase a Host in that Residue etc.

The Queen does-not have them because its the JOB of the None Queens to establish the Hive.

The ONLY Problem with this is SHOULD the Runner had NOT also had the Dorsal Pipes?  It was Intended but we have to look at WHAT we got.

So THEN we have to maybe look at it being something that is in Relation to the Human or Humanoid Genome.

Biologically there is NOT a lot of Difference between Land Mammals...  Bone Structure is somewhat different, we lack a Full Tail, Intelligence wise we are Superior, our Hands and Feet are different to Paws... but NONE of these should explain WHY the Dorsal Tubes are NOT on the Runner.

So then we are MAYBE left with ONLY a single Answer.

They are a Engineered/Encoded Mutation that is Programed to ONLY appear in Humans or other Humanoids.

Then we are back to Square ONE as to ask WHY?

Is it something to AID with the Procreation of the Species, do the Creators NOT want other Organisms gain the Tubes for some Specific Reason?

But if its a Designed Creature intended to KILL and Procreate to KILL more and the Dorsal Tubes are a Necessary to allow for a Hive/Cocoon Hosts, then would NOT a Infection of other Organisms to make Deadly Morphs be just as Efficient to go and KILL?

So we really have to ASK to WHY only Human Born Morphs have those Dorsal Tubes... (for Example the Predator Born Morph has only the Spines) but we see its Procreation is Rapid and so No Need for a Host to be Cocooned) and so maybe this Points to the Purpose of it being to Cocoon a Host.

But then WHY does the Runner not have this and so we have to ASK as to IF and HOW does a Runner Procreate?

Maybe as it Detected a Queen then it does-not NEED to play a role in Procreation, but then surely would it NOT have the Dorsal Tubes so it can Cocoon Hosts for the Queens Eggs?

So YES this could be a MYSTERY.

IF and i think thats a BIG if we got a 3rd Prequel then who knows.....

I dont think that the Perfecting of Davids Queen would have meant we get to the Aliens Queen... i am not sure that RS would go and introduce the Cameron's Queen as a Money Shot for his Prequel Series.....

But with DISNEY in Control this could be something they would FORCE upon the Prequels.. but i cant see Disney being interesting in any kind of Continuation.

Back to the OT

I have already said that i DONT think you have to and that its WISE to just go and bring back Ellen Ripley.  If they want to see Miss Weaver make a Return then i think they have to WORK with a Continuation of Ripley 8 or leave the Ripley Saga alone......

There are other Avenues to do a ALIEN V and as i have said i think you would have to STICK really close to the Xenomorph Aesthetic we have seen for this Reintroduction to the Franchise... at least in the FIRST Movie.

I think you lay some SEEDS down towards the Engineers so that this OPENS up something to go back to with a Sequel, but does-not Necessarily mean that has to be the case.

I think i may have to agree with LETO as far as HOW you END a New ALIEN Movie, by that we cant WRITE a Story that is Expecting Sequels in-case you simply WONT get any.

so you can leave some things that mean something could be OPEN to explore IF we got a Sequel.... and by that if you look at LV-223 after Prometheus, or LV-426 after Alien then they are left open to Explore....

Rather than a ENDING where it would indicate their is something NEXT.... such as the Prometheus Ending...

Yeah that must be it! You solved it! EUREKA!

We must a have a failure in communication here.

They emit that Elephant sound from Aliens. Trunks like an Elephant.