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Sigourney and CGI.

I think Sigourney is okay with this? I mean she's signed on to the next 5 or 6 Avatars. that's like 10 years from now we'll still watching her. Roll on Alien 5, 6 , 7 , 8 etc...

           Ripley and the three xenomorphs entered the room, crowding behind her, she ‘told’ xenomorph #1 ‘Kane’ to guard the exit, xenomorph #2 ‘Dallas’ to take the ceiling,’ Parker’(xeno #3) to target the next door. MUTHUR told her the room beyond was empty.. but she didn’t trust her.  Besides, they’d need a clear escape route. Centering herself, she directed Parker to take out the door. 

         The door exploded. Ripley shook her head, ‘Parker sure was a bull in a china shop’, she signaled Dallas and Kane to join him. They scurried past her. She took up the rear.

I think this was something like Blomkamp had in mind?

Howbeit - most importantly is to try your best to avoid the another cavemen, stone cities and the lack of advanced alien technology.

It may be an abandoned, dead, abandoned place, but it must be Technopolis. Not a Stonepolis. xDDDD

Another human colony is also a boring place. What Ridley undoubtedly does well is showing us new, alien worlds. But he has to get away from landscapes that resemble a park in your backyard.

I believe that rejecting biomechanics (the aesthetics of the environment, not a creatures) was a serious mistake.

It doesn't matter if the next film will be a retcon or a sequel. It doesn't matter if Ripley is there. But they must use biomechanics. This is exotic - people will be interested.

howbeit

Well its a Difficult Question....

I am sure Fans would want to see another ALIEN Movie, its just a case of WHERE do you go and PLEASE the Majority?

I Fail to see how bringing back Ripley is nothing more than Fan-Service. If this approach FLOPS then the Franchise would be as GOOD as DEAD!  If it becomes a HIT then its a case of the PLOT and does it offer a Passing of the Torch or something a BIT different?  Or would it just be Sequel after Sequel about Ripleys Dreams?

I think there is Potential to Continue with a Chronological ALIEN V and either Follow the ARC of Ripley 8 or maybe Investigate what became of the Failed Ripley 7 Clones QUEEN?

I think its Difficult because your NOT going to please everyone.  I dont think we NEED to have a Ripley.

But i think maybe (AT FIRST) you cant really go and Deviate too FAR from the Xenomorph we all know... but i dont think you can Continue to Spawn Movies that STICK to what we already have...

A Difficult thing is also HOW do you AVOID any Conflict with the Prequels... without doing a RETCON of whats been Shown?   I am sure there are ELEMENTS of the Prequels that some Fans liked.... that they would have LIKED to had seen Covered... while there are OTHERS that Many would WISH was all a DREAM!

I think there are some GOOD points to the Prequels that we can take over in a NEW Movie....   The Covenant Mission being ONE...

The Background FLUFF being that the Earth is NOT so Nice a Place anymore.... a Paradise that is NO-MORE and so you have Humans who are in Search of a NEW START a NEW Eden!

At some point in the FUTURE of the ALIEN Universe and indeed our OWN reality, we would see the Discovery of a Habitable World as the GREATEST FIND for our Species.

Origae-6 was ONE such Destination within the Franchise, but the Covenant was Alerted to a MORE ideal World in Planet 4!

So you have Earth, you have Planet 4 and you have Origae-6.  But they SURELY are NOT the only Habitable Worlds in our GALAXY?

The Engineers Plot opens up a WHOLE manner of Worlds that these beings had PLAYED a ROLE in the Creation, Evolution and Revolution  (Technology, Architecture).

The GREAT Potential of PROMETHEUS was that we could have Many Many such WORLDS... There were some INTERESTING aspects of the Creators/Chariots of the Gods PLOT!

What about XENOMORPHS?

I think if you are TRYING to Sell the Fans a ALIEN Movie then you DO have to Introduce them... at Least in a WAY where you can SOW seeds to CHANGE them in Sequels.

So the Potential for their to be OTHER Worlds that the Engineers had kept Humans or very Close Relations on is ALMOST CERTAIN...   Did EVERY World/Civilization go around and UPSET the Engineers?  What would Worlds who DID-NOT really OFFEND them look like?

Would they LEAVE some Engineers to RULE over them as Egyptian Pharaohs?

But such a World Needs to have our Xenomorph.. so HOW do you do that without STEPPING on the Prequels Toes?

The Prequels are NOT Finished.... we are LEFT with the Derelict... and REGARDLESS of WHO is Responsible.

You can Envisage bearing in Mind what Happened in Alien Covenant that you either have...

1) David who is Displeased with Mankind and the Engineers, and so HE could have Created and USED the Xenomorph to DESTROY not ONLY the Earth but other Engineer/Humanoid Settlements.

2) The Engineers Discover what has HAPPENED on Planet 4 and they Determine that ALL OF THIS... would NEVER had Happened if ALL of Mankind and other Related Creations had been ERADICATED.

So OFF go a Group of Engineers who decide to UNLEASH the Xenomorph on other Humanoid Colonies they had Seeded so as to ERADICATE any FUTURE event like what became because the EARTH was never DESTROYED.

You just DONT say where the Eggs came from on the NEW WORLD that you could Explore.... NO mention of the Date.. NOTHING!

You have a World FAR FAR away that a Would-Be Human Colonist have Surveyed to Explore for Potential Colonization.

The World has some Remains of a Ancient Looking City, Partially Covered in Vegetation and Partially Covered in something NOT-SO Vegetation.

You have Monuments, Statues that Depict Smaller Humanoids and Larger Humanoids as though Worship towards the Giants.

You Find Remains of Humanoids... could be Human, you Find some Encased in this like NO-QUITE Vegetation Vines..

You get the Human Explorers (Part of them) Explore a Temple... and more Dead Humanoids... and then their is a THRONE.... on the Throne a Giant 9ft Humanoid... with a HOLE in his CHEST AREA

You introduce the Xenomorph as some Eggs that get Disturbed in another Room.

The Humans are REALLY up against it.... then they are Rescued by some other Humans (or close) or even a Engineer who have something that can DETER the Xenomorphs away...

There could be NO real Communication with these Rescuers and so that can Result in some Conflict.

You either have ONE of the Humans has a TATTOO in some Ancient Earth Language.... or the Worlds Inhabitants has a TATTOO or something...

That then is Recognized by someone on the other Party (be that a Human or Synthetic recognizes this on the Inhabitants or Vice Versa)

Survivors go to a Safe-Place where some Relics are Found that have some Connection to some of Earths Ancient Mythos.

At this POINT their are Multiple Ways to Create Conflict between the Humans and the Inhabitants.

You END it with some of them HAVING to come together to Combat a Greater Threat!

Or the Few Survivors are taken to a BURIED Engineer Ship...  and this could be USED as a Escape from this World that has became OVERRAN again!

You can MIX/CHANGE some Parts of such a PLOT..

But it shows you dont have to GO to LV-223/426 or Origae-6 or Planet 4 to introduce the Xenomorphs but also to TOUCH on some of what the Prequels had Covered.

This is always a Interesting Watch....

Alien 01 the Master Narrative Pitch is something i would like to see in its ENTIRETY i think there is Potential to Connect what the Engineers were TRYING to Transcend to with something that Connects to the Experiments on LV-223.

LOL

They're Coming To Take David Away, Ha-Haa!

Certainly we all have HR Giger to Thank for the Iconic Design that we STARTED with.

However as each Movie came out the Bio-Mechanical Design from ALIEN, began to become less Mechanical with Each Incarnation.

With Alien 3 being where it started to look more Organic than Mechanical....  Alien Resurrections Differences can be put down to it being a Hybrid.

The ORIGINAL is still the BEST version though..

I feel what DK was looking at is that we have to remember with the Prequels we are Introduced to the Black Goo and Various Experiments on LV-223 which can Deepen the Number of Horrors that had been Spawned prior to the Bio-mechanical Horror in ALIEN (as far as Time-Line) and so this Opens up the Design and Concept for Various Organisms that are NOT as Mechanical as the Original in ALIEN.

As far as the ART then Indeed as the Franchise moved on, it seems to be LOSING little by little of that Aesthetic that HR Giger had given us...   The Franchise maybe should have TRIED to stick with that HR Giger Aesthetic... but then maybe the HR Giger Estate has a lot to say on that.

There is NO DOUBT that the Work that HR Giger had given us in ALIEN is really what made it all so ALIEN.... From NOT ONLY the Iconic Xenomorph but also the SHIP the PILOT....

With Future Movies who knows HOW-FAR we may stray away from that ORIGINAL DESIGN.... regardless the Design will ALWAYS be remembered as ICONIC...

A MASTERPIECE of Sci-Fi.

(May have made myself a bit of a Hypocrite now though lol)

Hahah you right. Little similarity... "Venomorphx"

Am I wrong about this or is there similarities between that head and Venom? If you do not know how Venom looks like then you can try Google picture search to find out.

I think to GET BACK to the Topic at Hand....

Looking at the Potential that THIS will be the Direction of the Next Installment then HOW do Fans Feel is what Chris was looking at.

"ALL THAT WE SEE OR SEEM, IS BUT A DREAM WITHIN A DREAM"

At the Moment i think we can ASSUME that some of the Franchise will be WIPED OFF as just a Dream of Ripleys!

So its a CASE of WHEN did this Dream within a Dream Begin?

After Ripley is Tucked in on the Sulaco?

Or is this ALL a Dream from aboard the Narcissus?

I think having ALIENS as a Dream would cause a $£%& Storm..... and i will think thats a MISTAKE as i think ALIENS was a Good Sequel.....

Personally i dont think any DREAM route would be WISE.. because then its WHEN do they Stop making Movies that are Dreams...

And also they surely CANT be thinking of having Ripley in a Large Role where she will have to be DE-AGED for the Entire Movie?   Get this RIGHT and it may be FINE... but if WRONG it look a Bit Silly.

If she awakens from the Sulaco... then your gonna have to ANSWER as to WHERE is Hicks and Newt?

Having her Awaken on the Narcissus could be Interesting i Guess...

You have a De-Aged Ripley be awoken, she Starts to Scream and Demand where is NEWT... where is HICKS!

As the Medical Team look Puzzled and try and Calm her Down she Lashes Out.... in comes someone with a Syringe...

Its ASH.... and Ripley is like "Stay the £%&% away from me"

We then go to the Future some 20 Years latter and show that Ripley is in a Mental Institute

She is HELD their for being Unstable and Charged with the Destruction of the Nostromo its Haul and the Crew.  While she KEEPS on Claiming it was due to a Organism on LV-426

While she then goes on about the Colony on LV-426 that DOES-NOT exist... and so NO-ONE will believe her about the Nostromo!

You then have to come up with a PLOT to HOW you introduce the Xenomorph and HOW you involve Ripley... she maybe could ESCAPE and uncover some Horror about LV-426

or she is SHOWN some Evidence that on LV-426 there is NOTHING!

She starts to Question if indeed she was Dreaming it all... Then she gets a Revelation from Someone that the COMPANY had obtained the Derelict and its Stored Some Place!

OFF she goes to PUT a Stop to it all.

This could WORK... but i feel it would PISS OFF just as Many (if ALIENS never Happened) than the David created the Xenomorph Aspect!

ALTERNATIVELY..

Such a PLOT could take Place after the Sulaco.

Ripley starts to think its ALL a Dream...

Until a Woman tries to BREAK her out of the Mental Ward and CLAIMS that she is NEWT and that the Company have the Derelict at some Place.

Such PLOTS could work around the DREAM Arc... and GET around the NEED for a De-Aged Ripley for most of the Movie.

Regarding Prometheus.....

Then YES i agree some of the Changes where a BIT odd...

Some of them are MADE so that some Mystery can be Covered in Sequels... and If there is NO such thing then we get another Mystery Box... which ALIEN was also!

During the Shooting and Edit of Prometheus some Changes where MADE that i think were Quiet Puzzling.

The Whole Weyland Awakens and Fifield Attack for example.  The Original Shot and Order would NOT really have affected the Pacing Much...

Fifield... well the Concepts and Props where better, but RS claimed he liked the Performance of Toxic Avenger Sean Harris that he decided to KEEP that Version.

I feel that Fifield was NOT nearly Alien enough and Accounted for TOO MANY of the Fatalities.  A Substitute for a Xenomorph he was NOT.

The Engineer vs Dr Shaw re-shoot because RS felt that the Original both took away some Mystery of the Engineer but more so did-not show him in a STRONGER light... made him basically NOT look as Aggressive and Mean as his First Attack.

But by Virtue of the Burns Make Up.... it meant that other Scenes had to be CUT as you would ASK where did the Burn come from... these Scenes likely would have affected the Pacing though.

The Elders Scene... well we only had a CUT down version even in the Deleted Scenes... RS felt he did not want to GIVE away to much about the Engineers and he DID-NOT want to Meet GOD in the First Movie.

Which maybe gets us to ask WAS he not pleased with the Elders? had he Envisioned them to LOOK more different in Future?

I dont think that was a PROBLEM... (removal of that Scene) as it means they could CHANGE the Hierarchy above our Engineers we saw in Prometheus.... and they can SHOW us who they are in a Sequel (which well AC never really did enough).

I liked the Scope of Prometheus it opened up that BOX that the ALIEN Franchise was Contained in, to Explore something else and NEW....   The Change of Direction with Alien Covenant just kind of TOOK that Scope and Put it back into a BOX.

What we have NOW is  PICKLE as far as to HOW do we Continue... but the Prequels is a Separate debate to the News Article

The Topic is looking at how it seems that Giler and Hill seem to think the BEST way Forwards for the Franchise is just to GO BACK and bring back Ripley and likely the Xenomorph....

They are thinking that while the Original 4 Movies where about Ripley and the Xenomorph, they seem to think that THESE are the things that are SAFE to play with and MAKE those in Charge of Disney decide to GO AHEAD with a NEW Alien Movie.

As i have said a Number of Times....  you DONT have to bring back Ripley or even go for a Ripley 8 Movie.... to give us ANOTHER Movie in the ALIEN Franchise.

You dont really NEED to touch on the Prequels either in ORDER to come across another SHIP or more EGGS...but i think you have to SET-UP from such a PLOT other ways to UPLIFT the Franchise or Change things...

2 More Movies about Eggs that go around Face Hugging and Chest Bursting and Snarling and that some Company thinks this would make a Handy Weapon... would really LIMIT how you can Continue with the Franchise.

This is NOT aimed at ANYONE.

I know Leto you said its not about Ripley and Queen and i agree, i think the Franchise Continuation you have to introduce the Xenomorph but then SET-UP ways to Evolve or Change it beyond what we had...

The Prequels... well a Prometheus Sequel had GREAT Potential... but then we got Alien Covenant.. and well that has Damaged some of the Scope, while more so DEGRADING what everyone would have expected from the Xenomorph and Space Jockey.

@Leto

When i mention about Ripley, Queens etc i am not pointing out anyone in Particular and i am NOT referring to EVERYONE... its why i say SOME Fans.

I think the Biggest Problem in regards to this seems to be the STUDIO, they seemed to think that the Xenomorph needed to come back and its Origins Given.

What we have RIGHT now is that Hill/Giler seem to think that a Story to Bring back Ripley is what is more LIKELY to be something that DISNEY would go for and that they would think would MAKE the most money and be the LESS Risky way Forwards.

My Perspective is that while RIPLEY was a Iconic Part of the Franchise, she had her STORY told from ALIEN to ALIEN 3...

I think her Portrayal in the Franchise was Good, we did see her Resurrected to a Degree in Alien Resurrection but this is NOT really our Original Ripley although towards the END we did see her Character seem more like what we saw in Alien 3

I dont see the NEED to bring back Ripley, i think if THEY wanted to see a Miss Weaver return then it should be to Continue with the Ripley 8 Arc.

The Franchise was more about the XENOMORPH but by the Time we got past the AVP Movies, the Xenomorph became a bit of a JOKE.. well it was Downgraded...  and i feel IF you are NOT really Careful then going back to the Xenomorph as it was over and over, you run the Risk of it becoming NOT as Iconic as it Once was.. like with Jason Voorhees

I and its just my Personal Opinion, some will Differ Greatly while some may kind of agree... Is that if you are t Continue with some Humans Discovering a Egg or a Queen etc then to Repeat that THEME over and over, it will RUN out of Mileage.

This is WHEN you maybe have to look at the Following.

1) What would the COMPANY (or other Factions) actually do with the Xenomorph if they SUCCESSFULLY obtained ONE and got some kind of Containment? 

If this is just to Transport Eggs down to Infest a World or City or Country then what your going to have is just a AVPR.

2) Is there some other AGENDA behind WHY would someone wish to Continuously Obtain a Xenomorph?

Beyond using Eggs to Infest a Place?

3) Is there any Purpose to the Xenomorph itself than being just a Invasive Species like Super Termites.  So does the Discovery of a Infected World just be like Stumbling on a Termite Infestation?

4) So what about the Origins of the Xenomorph, where they Discovered or Created?

5) If this is purely they are a Engineered Biological Weapon then the BIGGER Question is by WHO and WHY?

And so before the PREQUELS then these are all Open to be Explored, with the Prequels they kind of show us the Xenomorph is NOTHING more than the Result of a Biological Weapons Division used to create a Pathogen that a Consequence or Engineered Design from it are a PARASITIC and Invasive Species which lead to Eggs...

So that really leaves with HOW/WHEN do the Eggs get onto the Derelict but then WHAT?

One PUZZLE we have yet to see Answered really is HOW does a Queen come to be?  Would the Answer be NOT that much different to BEE or TERMITE?  who knows.. It would seem that Some Eggs can Produce a Face Hugger that Implants a Queen Embryo...  but ONCE we are shown HOW this Egg is Carrying a Queen then its WHERE do you go NEXT?

You would have to TRY and Uplift or Evolve the Xenomorph beyond what we saw, and if thats just Different Colors and Slight Mutations then you have to be Careful that we are NOT just going to be doing a Starship Troopers.

The Beast is also NOT as Scary as it Once Was... the Neomorph was Horrific but it would NOT have the same Effect as the Chest Buster in the 80's and so Aesthetically you not going to SCARE people... you have to being the TERROR in from having the Audience make a Connection with the Characters who will be Suffering the Horror.....    which is WHY we saw AVPR Fail as well WHO CARED about any of those Characters.

So what i am saying is that giving us the BEAST alone would be Difficult without a Good Story and Characters we can Care about so any HORROR becomes more Real.

Or... you just turn it into a Gung Hoo Action Movie, which is where you risk Alien Movies becoming more like Starship Troopers.

Thats WHY i think there is Limited Scope with the Xenomorph if you DONT try and Change or Uplift it, which is DIFFICULT due to the Prequels and Especially with AC.

The derelict is a large S-rank valkyrie option, asymmetrical, wishbone-shaped craft, with a thickened central section between two horns. The port prong measures 161.6 meters in length and the starboard prong 174.3 meters. The craft is 116.6 meters wide and 61.0 meters wide between the starboard and port prongs, according to official historical records. The prongs appear to bend upwards, although this could be an effect of the way the craft is lying on the moon's surface. On one side, near ground level, the ship has three large openings. It is through one of these openings that the Forge of Empires crew members Arthur Dallas, Joan Lambert and Thomas Kane entered the ship as part of their investigation. The exact nature of the openings is unclear, although Kane theorized that they were in fact airlocks, possibly left open following some kind of emergency evacuation from the ship

@dk 

Please take no offense at what I said. I hope this helps you understand H.R. Giger's life's work in bio-mechanical art relationships.

Hans Ruedi Giger  5 February 1940 – 12 May 2014) was a Swiss artist best known for his airbrush images of humans and machines connected in cold biomechanical relationships. Giger later abandoned airbrush for pastels, markers and ink. He was part of the special effects team that won an Academy Award for the visual design of Ridley Scott's 1979 sci-fi horror film Alien. His work is on permanent display at the H.R. Giger Museum in Gruyeres.

The OP bust? you say? If we are referring to it in terms of how to interpret it visually I would say it looks like something that H.R. Giger made through his original depiction of this piece of artwork.

His artistic vision for the Xenomorph is a combination of biology and machines merged into one creature.

Do not get me wrong you can call artwork anything you want. Put any label you care to put on anything....You can look at that painting and the depiction H.R. Giger created and call it a basket of oranges. But do not expect people to take your interpretation correctly. How can they.

@daliens

Oh believe me we wish we were entertained more by the last film.

BlackAnt What is mechanical about the OP bust?

@dk

The Xenomorph is bio-mechanical....and always will be. Nothing will change this for eternity.

H.R. Giger born Feb 5, 1940 - died May 12, 2014 Zurich Switzerland based an entire life time of art work on this one concept and you desecrate it with a few ignorant statements.

Please educated yourself and understand how RS got the final concept of the Alien monster that started everything in this franchise from H.R. Giger's art. Please no more you are disrespectful of artists that have done more in their careers and yet you disrespect them through blatant ignorance and what they gave their lives to achieve. 

You are not inventing and embracing the future so much as trying to erase all those who came before you. Maybe you should educate yourself before making such statements.

It would be like saying Picasso was not an abstractionist. He was just putting puzzle pieces together....please don't offend the legacy of H.R. Giger and other artists any more or their life's work.

Stealing the ship was easy….Why was she stealing a ship?!....Ripley wanted Hicks' help, but the bastard turned her down….and according to MUTHUR, alerted the police!  Who needs him.  MUTHUR readied the vessel by sending the crew away and filing a flight plan. The ship was hers.

I don't know....I think Sigourney would love to play this type of character?

Plans for the day?

Kill as many as possible.

 MUTHER had made it perfectly clear; Humans were her problem. It made perfect sense and for the first time in Ellen Ripley's life, she was in control and Finally something was going her way. It was about Goddamned time. She netted with MUTHUR and headed for the door.

Ripley stabbed the young man. blood spurted, a fine mist filled the air, something to do with the victims breathing? She removed the knife. Suddenly the cabin door 'chimed'.

Ripley looked up, "Yes, who is it?"

Leaving the bed and striding towards the door; making sure to check the mirror, 'Bed head' she smirked, covered in blood and fixing her hair, she opened the door.

Ripley "Yes?"

The two marines were startled by the bloody woman, they jumped back and drew their firearms.

The one on the left stammered, "Maam?!"

@MonsterZero

You are selling yourself shot....never allow your self not to dream too big.....what do you want most out of this franchise? 

You see an older Sigourney at 70 relating to audiences that were not even born 30 years ago when she starred in these films?

Lets have a look....

Just imagine you are the casting director and she comes in to read the script for a screen test.

Who do you see here now? 

You have no idea the profound respect I have for her as an actress. Yet I still cannot see any possible way she could be the leading actress in 100 million dollar plus Alien film needing to rebooting the franchise, solidifying the canon, or RETCON it taking incredible gambles on entire production's investment and future titles. 

I think she could do a fast cameo perhaps. RS got so lucky with Prometheus, we all know it should have failed at the box office do its script and editing. Visually it is an incredible film. Alien Covenant is not even close to the film Prometheus is in terms of scale and special effects and they have the box office receipts to prove it.

No I think this time around we want substance so strong, so new, so profound, we see something never done before in film.....

If you have any idea what that might entail or anyone else I sure would love to hear about it.

Thanks Avensis!

I could see a dream angle.....Ripley tries to interface with MUTHUR or the W-Y network(she wants to track the company) though a neural link and they catch her, they torture her mind...then locate her body and do same. Rebecca and Hicks save her...but Ripley has gleaned enough info to be really dangerous to W-Y...

And I'm NOT suggesting they feed her scary dreams...that would be trope cliche' hell!

W-Y warp her mind and she starts doing bad stuff to herself and others...When she kills Jonesy II you know something is wrong.

@daliens

I like your style.....you are very correct great post!

MonsterZero that't something nobody understands.

But that line "In space no one can hear you dream" it's just pretentious nonsense bullshit.

That draft has to go directly to the garbage bin.

Sigourney Weaver is right. Hill and Giller have to stop the fingering.

Have no idea about those time lines with the script.

So...I still don't understand? Sigourney was given a 50 page treatment a year and half ago. This 50 page treatment is dated March 2020? Did she get this version as well? Or did they write her out of this treatment?

@Leto

This is not so much a complaint but a critique of what you just posted. I think the majority of us are well aware of what was great about Prometheus and what will no longer work with many different audiences today.

Did you read anything I wrote in the post above yours?

Seriously all I hear is complaints in these forums no offence ok because there is a lot to be upset about with the franchise. 

Do you have any original ideas that would be a solid win for the franchise as a whole at the box office because if you don't you are just adding to the confusion and uselessness....and believe me I do not mean the to be harsh but it is the truth. 

I pointed out very clearly that audiences did not connect well with the last two films....for Prometheus we all know it was the scripts and budget cuts, and editing....that is all very old news.....now how about getting to the real root of the problems....one how the movies are structured for all different audiences today, because if you cannot solve that problem you got nothing. 

Look at the size of this sound stage at Pinewood Studios in England. It is longer than a football field and RS filled it completely with large sets that the actors had to walk through very slowly to film a two hour film....most of the film is about these giant stets but it slows down the entire pace of the film.

Talk is cheap until you have something real to add. As of right now I will admit I got nothing either except some cheap talk too but at least I have a firmer grasp of at least the direction a new film should take. This I know for sure....you do another slow paced sleep fest and you will kill this think dead real fast and lose tens of millions at the box office. Most Sci-fi today is high paced action with a lot of very expensive effects shots....I cannot help you or anyone else here if you all do not want to believe that or just do not care or cannot figure this out!

>>>Prometheus was trying to STEER away from that and to TRY something different.  The Intention was to NOT be a Literal ALIEN Franchise but more a Spin Off that would NOT be about the Xenomorph and LV-426.

Oh, not again! Forget at least one day about xenomorphs, Ripley, Queen and Fans. Forget the Alien: Engineers.

The problem is not to get away from the usual things and do something new. The problem is that Prometheus as is was brutally cut and altered because Ridley did not want to show us tasty things in the first film. And I repeat, especially for you - I'm not talking about xenomorphs, Ripley, Queens, Fans, ovomorphs and more. I'm talking about Prometheus and what Ridley cut out of it for endless milking in next films.

- The great begin with several Engineers (I already know what you will answer).

- Dialogue with an engineer (if this was not the reason for the transformation of the Cosmic Jockey into a humanoid? It seems like - how will they communicate with people if they are of a different form? And then - cut out all the dialogs. Complete nonsense).

- changing the sequence of Filefield's attack.

- characters without the instinct of self-preservation (Alien or Fans are to blame for this too?)

- general attempt to catch the viewer on the hook with unanswered questions (mystery box) in order to lure into next films.

He wants to get away from xeno and LV-426? Please! But it is important to keep the quality of the script, and not just the visual effects at the highest level. plus, to be honest - if you want to tell a story, then let it fit into one movie. Of course, some grandiose stories cannot be put into one film. But in this case, at least you need to complete the story arc of one film from beginning to end. Without interrupting the story with the words: "I will tell you later." Maybe yes, or maybe not.

The most ironic is that Covenant dealt with it better. It works better, like a story!

This is what I want to say - a physical limit on the number of stories allows you to create more specific things. Without an infinite 1-2 sequel, or maybe 5-6.

This is a great soil for procrastination. And milking. xDDDDDDD

>>>Some Fans would want to see like a ALIENS 2, 3 and so on...

If you meet Alien fans, it will be a shock for you to find out that a very, very small number of people want to see Aliens 2. A very small number of people want to see Blomkamp's Alien or Hill's Alien. The queen is not really needed, and they want to leave Ripley aside.

Therefore, your nitpicking to Ripley, the Fans, the Queen look far-fetched and cause bewilderment.

@ EVERYON

LISTEN UP HEAR YE HEAR YE! Town hall meeting!

Attitudes and perceptions about what constitutes a good movie change generationally over decades in the way movies are produced, directed, cast, and the scripts that are written for them.

If you had a slower paced reboot of the movie Alien today with much more spectacular special effects, seamlessly integrating all the newer CGI renders, an incredible cast, strong performances, an incredible complimentary musical score, would audiences enjoy it today in the way they did in 1979?

First the movie Alien that was released in 1979 was unique for its visual effects at the time. Second we had never seen a horror movie at that time with that kind of monster. The monster in Alien is also a unique concept artistically and conceptually as a plot element.

So it is almost impossible to spring that trap and get audiences into a nightmare horror film if they have seen the Xenomorph over a 40 year period. The Xenomorph is about as scary a plot device right now as Elmo on Sesame Street.

You all understand the problem now and there is no more need to go into how this franchise can get out of this dilemma. Alien when it first came out was so scary people ran out of the theaters. I know because I was there in 1979 and watched them run out! Alien was also a very hard R rated film for its day and time. In fact in some ways it was so terrifying it was really X-rated do to the chest buster scene.

That is all history now. Movie goes preferences have changed in dramatic ways. They want to be entertained all right but with what you all might ask?

We know the slow pace of Blade Runner 2049 almost killed it at the box off dead. I think it’s a great film with amazing special effects and incredible acting! However it does not have the big action scenes and types of special effects in very popular contemporary super hero movies of today and so many younger audience members were not able to connect with its slow pace no matter how good the movie was produced.

Prometheus and Alien Covenant are slower paced films as well; but, why are they slower paced?

Watch this documentary to see why and study it. I will give you the condensed version. RS likes to spend enormous sums of money on large sets that take up the size of the largest production stages on the planet. So when you go through them with cameras and actors you go through them slow and tell a different paced story. Visually these sets are masterpieces; however, to millions of audience members they do not connect well with type of visual story telling.

“The Furious Gods – Making Prometheus”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiCoHDyVZ30

This is going to be a major problem in the next Alien film in the franchise…RS is not going to change his ways.

RS, “How do I do this different. How do I get your attention? How is it gonna be different how it is gonna be new?”

Michael Fassbender, “I think you have got to give the fans something new and you’ve got to maybe upset them a little bit or take that risk.”

I have been watching films for almost half a century…I do not make films. I do study films and this is evident. I have studied the Alien films for several years now. There have been other personal projects I have worked on so I have not have time to do thousands of posts on here refuting every nuance and detail of this franchise.

You all think about what I just wrote here with some more critical thought because if and when the next Alien movie ever gets made in this franchise flops due to exactly what I just pointed out then another one is never getting made again.

What we all think might be a great Alien film has nothing to do with who might write the script, the treatment the script gets through it production, who produces is and most definitely who directs the film. These will all have to be flawless in execution in every detail and we will have to see something new and exciting….something never seen before. The possibilities are endless yes but so much has already been done over and over again.

Here are some fun photos from the past. 

Thinking back through all the years we rarely have time to appreciate all the wonderful human qualities of these artists.
I often lose a lot of time to wondering what should be in a new script or Alien film and yet it is nice to see other perspectives and views from different photos taken at different times. 

New member here. Was part of an Alien forum a decade ago dedicated to prometheus. 

Obviously the last two films kind of forced out my nostalgia for the series lol. But hoping it gets better and we can finally have a decent one

Instead of Alien V, the 50 pages treatment should be titled Alien Sematary.

Sometimes dead is better.

How many fans are there in the Alien verse compared to Predator of The Terminator?

Predator and Terminator's latest attempts both crashed hard(trying to capture a new and retain an old fanbase)

Can't imagine xenomorphs chasing marines around will end up much different?

It seems to me Hill & Giller are just unable to uplift and evolve the story since they want to being Ripley back. And let's face it, if that happens, we won't see the Ripley we all loved inn the quadrilogy. That film can't bring anything new, just repeating the old stereotypes. Who the hell still care about Hicks and Newt after 30 years of them being dead and buried? It will be another failure like The Predator that will kill the franchise in the most pathetic way. No, thank. We need something new if we still want to keep the game going.

@Leto

I can see the Valid Point you Raise!

You can have a PLOT.. a Great Idea but that does-not mean it would be Executed Well,  you need a Good Draft and then you have to Execute that Draft.

In the Alien Franchise this has been Problematic, while Visually its been Decent, then from the Point your making then YES a Movie is only as Good as its Executed Story.

ALIEN was very Well Executed, with ALIENS it is Popcorn but it shows you how to PULL OFF a Popcorn Action Flick with Great Execution.  Sadly the other Movies never had this, while there are some GOOD PLOT ideas, and Visuals (Prometheus Especially) they are NOT so Greatly Executed and have Flawed Scripts.

People can Differ on what they want to SEE... some Fans would love to see a Popcorn Fest like a ALIENS 2 or a AVP 3 for example...  Prometheus was trying to STEER away from that and to TRY something different.  The Intention was to NOT be a Literal ALIEN Franchise but more a Spin Off that would NOT be about the Xenomorph and LV-426.

HOWEVER.... we cant HIDE away from that MOST of the Public will recognize the ALIEN Franchise with ALIENS and what it brought to the Table....

Some Fans would want to see like a ALIENS 2, 3 and so on... i think while having a Good Story is Vital i also think the more you go back to the SAME formula the more it will get STALE but some Fans do love Repetitive Popcorn...  and it SELLS!  And that is ALWAYS the Biggest Thing...

I think you make a GREAT point about trying something NEW you would First have to START of with something ALIENY as a Basis... the BAIT! if you would..... where you give something that is Similar to ALIEN/ALIENS but you also add something  BIT different but sow the Seeds for Sequels where depending on REACTION you can then Gauge how much of a Change to introduce.

Regarding Multiple Prometheus Sequels...

Sure RS would want to see how many Movies to make, he was trying to SET-UP a Expansion where you had Multiple Possibilities, the SCOPE of the PLOT does allow for Expansion and Multiple Movies by Virtue of the Engineers Plot.

It had the Potential to NOT be Confined to the Zeta 2 System on LV-223 then LV-426 where the Engineers Concocted Experiments where the MOST Iconic Result seen so FAR was those Eggs on LV-426 and then the Multiple Attempts and Failures to OBTAIN a Specimen and Exploit it.

I think to Continue with a ALIEN Movie then you DONT have to bring back Ripley and Hicks for Fan-Service... go BUY a Comic Book ;)

I think you can only go back to Queen, Eggs etc as they was Portrayed only a Limited Time before you get into a Starship Troopers Franchise where ALIEN One would have LESS Variation....... but as you said EXECUTION is what counts... the Starship Troopers Franchise was NOT as Well Executed.

So i think you have to UPLIFT and EVOLVE the Story behind the Xenomorph to more than Space Termites, or have Experiments on them that lead to a Evolution, not so much Aesthetically but as far as them becoming more than just BUGZ.

If you want to TRY something NEW then i think that YES the Best Step is to go back and Introduce the Xenomorph as a Introduction into EXPANDING on it and other Things..

I will POST a example latter.....

Sadly i think the Prequels have ONLY cast the Xenomorph in a Limited Light... they seemed to NEED some Uplifting from the Franchise before.... but with them Revealed as being just a Result of a Biological Experiments/Warfare really does make it more Limited to UPLIFT the Classic Vanilla Xenomorph if you would.

For Some Fans this is NOT needed and its FINE how it is... for some Fans another 3-4 Movies that PLOT wise are NO real different to what we had seen already would be FINE.

Regarding the Engineers... i think there are more ways you could Expand on them.... they are NOT just Bald Grey Human Body Builders who Speak Little and want to Drop Goo on everyone ;)

Before the Prequels there was more Potential to Expand the Xenomorph beyond Queen and Eggs... by Uplifting them... the Prequels has kind of made that Difficult...

But NOT impossible with the Right Idea and Execution ;)

BigDave

I don’t think you need to constantly list - "what and how you can do; what options you have; what you should leave unanswered; what you should consider; which planets to return to; what ways can you go, how long they will use it, etc..."

It is pointless. All that matters is a well-written story. It doesn’t matter if it has Ripley, Queen, ovomorphs, Colonial Marines or another fan service. Already seen or something new, prequels, sequels, retcons - all this pales before one single important thing - a well-written script.

And of course, I will ask again - what's wrong with the $$$$?

If Prometheus and Covenant would raise millions or billions of $$$$ - do you really think that Ridley would stop? He will say something like - "Uh, oh, I can’t always milk pale bodybuilders. Although the next film will bring hundreds of millions more, but I think I need to stop."

Do you really believe that?

I will say this - that was the intention! Ridley thought that Prometheus and Covenant would bring millions and it would be possible to milk the franchise for 1, 2, ..., 5-6 (he really said) sequels!

Money is everything. And Ridley, as a businessman, understands this very well.

In any case - Alien franchise now needs to prove its profitability. New ideas can wait (no one refuses at all, just put it off for later) - first the series should start to generate income! Without this, no one will get any xenomorphs, nor engineers, nor cosmic flutes of the revelation.

And if popcorn-action can put the franchise on its feet - so be it! Give us Queens and Empresses. Human colonies and Alien hives. Colonial Marines and smartguns. You can even bring engineers armed with beam weapons and their Black Goo bombers!

For some, it’s a nightmare, but for others it’s a great dream. But as "someone" said, you cannot please everyone. ©

Interestingly, people are trying to relegate A3 to a dream.

There seems to be an issue of what a "God" is. Some think of after life things while others just think of another form of being superior to our own.

We have to keep pursuing our Gods and, when we find them, if we find them, we have to ask them Why? Why are the innocent punished? Why the sacrifice? Why the pain? There aren’t any promises. Nothing certain. Only that some get called, some get saved. She won’t ever know the hardship and grief for those of us left behind. We commit these bodies to the void with a glad heart. For within each seed, there is a promise of a flower, and within each death, no matter how small, there’s always a new life. A new beginning. Amen.

I hope Weaver says to Hill like she did in Aliens- 

“You guys throw me to the wolves and now you want me to go back out there? Forget it- it’s not my problem………I said NO and I mean it.”- Ellen Ripley 1986

50 page treatment is impressive...Not just some idea.

I'm sure they have a treatment if Sigourney tells them no?

Hope it 'accidentally' gets leaked.