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@BigDave
I think this concept work for the Engineers was exactly what they should have done from the start in Prometheus.
This concept is great too I just wish they would have scaled it to at least 20 feet.
Also BigDave I think you have the right idea that we are seeing just many different kinds of Engineers. You got it correct when you said we never saw the Elder Engineers on LV-223....they cut those scenes....so the Elder Engineers could look exactly like the ones depicted as 20 foot tall.
This is a crucial part of the entire plot detail for the franchise moving forward.
I say this because think about it....the bigger, stronger, more complex your enemy is the greater the fight....you can take a movie franchise and expand upon it any way you want!
But first there must be a TV show on Disney + about Weyland Industries where we have a juggernaut, we have Xenos, we have David's two timing robot locked in a quantum entangled QUBIT computer we are in control of, unlocking all his research to manipulate the black goo and finally weaponize it for a larger set of surgical strikes against the real elder Engineers that are 20 foot tall.
BigDave I have the interview where the exact words come right out of RS own mouth about a bigger confrontation with the Engineers in a huge space battle OK! So this is where RS wanted to take the franchise.
Look at this interview with RS!
Time index: 4:08.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo30bZc10D0
Interviewer, "Is that where you are going?"
RS, "Alien franchise should be into WAR OF THE WORLDS NOW, that is where I am going.....they don't know but that is what we are doing."
Now you understand everything!
So this leaves us with a few more tricks to play before its all been done and seen....and I read all your posts and you read mine so we both know how this all really works for future films. You want to open the door to the Engineers being threatened by us...maybe not being wiped out but we are a real threat to them - Prometheus is DAVID BigDave fire taken from the GODS!!!!!!!!!!...and maybe many more other hostile aliens don't like the Engineers as well.....then we can expand this franchise and take it anywhere we want.
You want a Higgs Field computer right....well lets see a TV show first about Weyland Industries where they are making one just about 75 years before Alien....right BigDave.
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Leto most people want to see characters and landscapes they can relate with, even if sci fi films, easily digestible. Later, looking at some scenery, they could say, look, this reminds me of the opening scene in Prometheus. How many people posting here don't want to see the continuation of the David's arc because they cannot relate to a robot? People want to see human characters, super heroes they can identify themselves with.
Show them some different form of life and they are unable to recognize intelligence in it if it is not humanoid. How many people agreed with the representation of the aliens in Denis Villeneuve's Arrival?
Why do you think that a biomechanical landscape, which I suppose would be quite expensive, would interest the general audience and subsequently their $$$$$$? Wouldn't that rather make them uncomfortable?
I honestly believe that the best solution in this moment is to let Ridley Scott do the sequel to Alien Covenant and evolve the beast somehow. Otherwise we have the space bugs running around and some heavily armed marines shooting around, some women and children to fake some screams, just to make it for all ages. This is the frame, you can't fit a good script in it.
I will say it could leave it OPEN to introduce another Species above the Engineers, and to had revealed these to be a Not-So Human looking 15ft Bio-Mechanical Race.
So as Example the 2nd Image we see in GREEN the Chair... and what if the Space Jockey is either Bio-Mechanical or its Suit is as such but it has NO HELMET... instead we have a being with a Elongated Head that the Chair Connects to the Head and then to the Suit with a Breathing Apparatus that then Connects from the Suit to the Face?
So our TRUE Space Jockey without the Suit could look more like some of the Unused Fifield Concepts.
I would Love to see someone with the Talents of TITANPOINTE come up with a Space Jockey ;)
BigDave,
I think they are all interrelated specifically by the black goo...what ever the Engineers constructed on the sub atomic scale to make the physics change I can only begin to try and extrapolate it into anything meaningful or relative.
In all honesty anything a million years more advanced than we are would be some "place else" meaning they would not exist in a way would could even detect them for hundreds of thousands of years.
Nor would such an advanced race of beings have any need to mess with anything on a scale of 13.8 billion light years after a big bang.....they are busy doing other things on a much much larger scale of interaction...they have computers and then they have really really big computers!
I believe the Engineers should not have in any way been depicted as being a million years more advanced. They would have only needed to be 5000 years more advanced and still they would have god like powers compared to what we can do right now with our best tech.
BigDave I know you like good Sci-Fi and this is just a private side note....why are we not all posting brilliant stuff about TENET....I digress though where were we....oh yeah advanced Alien Engineers.
You remember that Star Trek film where Spock has the Red Matter.....its presumably a new form of matter contained by some complicated energy bonds and then just a drop is gravitationaly as powerful as black hole and yet somehow its stable enough to be around it until it comes directly in contact with matter.
Try and imagine these Engineers with Technologies just a few thousand years more advanced than the red matter....so anything they do with a sub atomic field would negate the need for Xenomorph anything. We have to have those plot devices though for obvious reasons.
I wish RS would have just scaled them up more and made them 20 feet tall. We would have had a better suspension of disbelief and a more interesting visually striking movie than what ever that script writer he used to make the engineers shorter....dont even get me started on some of those useless executives for the budget and not really going with these much taller exotic Engineers....we got some small potatoes stuff in Prometheus...However every frame of the film is great except the script. The Fifield scene was not scary at all and needed some other treatment.
If the Engineers were supposed to be a million years more advanced, when David opens the container and puts a drop on his finger tip and looks at it....the drop would have instantly converted him and everything around him instantaneously sorta like the scene in Alien Covenant when the black goo is aerosolized above the Engineers but only trillions of times faster and with a lot more power as it converts the mass into even nastier stuff.....stuff you should never mess with ever.
We need to get that section up for TENET...all roads lead to back to TENET......To be continued if we can get a new Blog started for it...please do what you can.
@BigDave
Wrong! not even close old chap! Not even close....good try though I will give you some extra credit for trying to make some common sense out of this biomechanical stuff; however, it is important not to look superficially at things only skin deep.
I refute your claims that the other xenos, in later films, are more organic. Outwardly the appearance of the more organic look appealed to more audience members and was a marketing gimmick not in line with H.R. Giger's original idea about organics mixed with machines.
It is time to take you to school BigDave!
First of all art in many forms imitates the time period from which it comes from. For example you do not see abstraction play a larger role in art work until the early 19th century because physicists had not introduced ideas about extra dimensions and bending space until the early 19th century....then we get artists like Picasso and Salvador Dali bending things all over the place in paintings.
More to the point of 
what we are talking about, in reference to this symbiosis in Giger's work in the early 70's.
There is a physicist, one of the most famous ones of all, Richard Feynman. We still build every processor in the world today based on the nano composite structures of doped silicon based on "the Feynman diagrams."....In fact the Feynman diagrams are so important to all CPU designs you cannot build a CPU without them.
Please refer to this picture and read the Feynman quote.
So you see we build CPU's at the atomic scale atom by atom or in layman's terms nano technology.
Now lets not forget that the Engineers depicted in these Alien movies have science that is 1,000,000 million years more advanced than our "Nano-Technology."
So no BigDave they are not necessarily more organic....they may look organic but they are highly advanced machines mixed with organic elements if you want to follow RS and Giger precisely.
Which brings us to the final conclusion in all of this biomechanical business. When we describe things in the periodic table we do so by looking at how many electrons an element has....the electron, proton, and neutron are made of smaller particles called quarks.
Quarks are made out of Higgs bosons spinning in a larger infinite field that permeates the entire universe. So just like an electron spinning around the nucleolus of an atom..deeper inside that atom you have the Higgs bosons spinning in a larger field of them giving rise to everything above them and everything you see around you.
Now just suppose for a moment that we take away these archaic notions and distinctions of how many electrons an element has and just go with what happens when we more fully understand and control a portion of the Higgs field itself.....Well you just might end up with these tiny machines like the black goo right...many new physical laws that completely rival the four fundamental forces we understand today in every way that matters most to all life.
Here is another interesting notion that Feynman discusses. He states how we might use spin state field mechanics to build quantum computers that do not use electrons to go from the source to the drain and into the bucket to complete the circuit....basic stuff right. So now we are getting somewhere.
H.R. Giger comes along and thinks things through in his contemplations through his art work and so we get this evolution of much smaller things at the atomic scale mixed with the organic elements....not too much of a stretch of the imagination for artists in the 60s, 70s, and all other decades forward.
You see the world around you today such as it is from these advancements in field mechanics, what we call spin state electronics - solid state physics....the way we have just begun to master the electron....the devices, the way the entire planet, our species is so dependent on the technology in a way that makes it essential to everything.
If you looked at an ANT, which would be us right now using these electron voltage regulated machines that yield us quantum Qubit computers in the next decade.
We are no where close to mastering the Higgs field yet; however, just imagine a future in say a 100 years from now and we have a society based on larger advanced Qubit computers tapping into a small portion of the Higgs field for computing.
A Higgs Field computer the size of a few dozen cell phones would have the computing power of the entire 13.8 billion and then multiply and expand that space a few trillion times more. It would be like filling that entire space with integrated circuits - just like the ones we put in modern cpu's today, the only thing is every transistor, in all the space is connected by quantum entanglement down to every last one of the spinning Higgs themselves and then everything above them all connected at once....well you would have a Higgs Field computer many trillions of times the size of the known universe, in computing power, folding space efficiently...something you could hold in your two hands.....what happens when we build a real big one....something the size of a building, all connected through quantum entanglement....a hyper dimensional crystal all connected all at once. What could you do with something like that BigDave.
You see BigDave what you think about these fictional Engineers being 1 million years past solid state physics, these movies, the art, the science, the real physics it is all based on...you might be lacking some rather important details.
Richard Feynman, "There's plenty of room at the bottom."
That is a lot of power at the bottom right BigDave.
