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"you will NOT get from Alien Covenant to ALIEN in a single Movie.."

The problem with that kind of thinking is why the franchise (and the prequels) got into limbo. This desire to stretch and milk endlessly. Like: "We can make a great standalone film. But no - we will tear it into pieces and feed the public a little". You really don’t see that this is just an attempt to put the viewer on a hook? This is similar to some modern games: you can get a whole great game, but no: you will buy a part + 100 DLC for it.

"you will NOT get from Alien Covenant to ALIEN in a single Movie.."

Yes, you will! Even 2 hours runtime is enough to tell a good prequel. Just throw away the whole philosophy of fingering and give people information - technology, culture, society of Engineers. Show not what David creates, but how he does it. And most importantly, stop trying to milk your viewer. Does Ridley think the audience is stupid? He thinks they don’t recognize the attempt to hook them? He is very mistaken!

Predators had green blood, mistery

BigDave

When you talk about the origin and purpose of the Alien, you forget one small but important detail.

RIDLEY DID NOT CREATE THE ALIEN.This is not his idea or his universe. In fact, he has no more rights to this universe than Cameron, Fincher, or Jean Pierre Jeunet.

Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett create Alien.

I am not talking about this for empty debate. There is two origins of Alien:

Ridley thinks the Alien is a biological weapon.

Cameron thinks the Alien is a natural, wild form of life.

But there is a third way. From the real creators of the monster.

Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett thought the Alien is a civilized being. Which has its own culture and traditions. I think this is the best way.

Maybe Xeno met the Engineers as is or caught primitive people and evolve them into Engineers. Xeno may have died out and donated their life-giving blood to humans/Engineers. Perhaps the Engineers tried to create people or even resurrect Xeno, but they only got bloodthirsty monsters.

The stone head of the Engineer in the pyramid may indicate the pride and achievements of the civilization of Engineers. But behind this head there is a fresco with a crucified xeno, which indicates that all the achievements of the Engineers are possible only thanks to the sacrifice of Xeno.

There are more opportunities, more soil and more interest than with the banal: wild animals, biological weapons, creation against the creators.

Interestingly, Resurrection was doing that but many fans hated it.

Not without reason! I said it before, I will say it again, I will always repeat it - YOU CANNOT CREATE SOMETHING UGLY and then say: "Hey! This is evolution! This is something new! Let's love it without questions. These are not facehuggers or chestbursters. This is a really new way. Don't think - praise! Yay! Yay! Yay!"

I find it quite ironic that smart people are always talking about something new, but absolutely forget about the centuries-old wisdom - "don’t fix what is not broken". If Ridley says that "the beast is cooked" (he, btw, admitted that he was wrong) or you need to explore new ways - it's just the opinion of one person. A man whose last films, let’s say so, have performed rather sluggishly. A man who doesn't respect one of the most iconic monster in world culture.

We need to Evolve the Beast beyond a Egg Laying Space Bug!

Interestingly, Resurrection was doing that but many fans hated it.

Pretty sure one of the cut scenes in Covenant was the conversation between Orem and David where he confesses to find an egg, ad his experiments are for replicating that feral instinctive creature he found, that would explain in a "into the movies verse" the look of many of the main Xenos among all movies, since the whole "Alien/Predator/Prometheus/AVP Verse" was some how connected by so many Easter eggs, sadly from not so well received movies and video games, but also from many good comic books and novels since 1987 to this day, the eggs may represent what makes the creature it self most terrifying, the unknown genesis and the mystery behind the creatures, for example, the royal jelly of the queen has been addressed till the 2000's but Kenner made a toy about a queen dripping ooze in the 90's, and how that jelly/ooze has mutagenic attributes, so instead on the engineers making the xenos from the black goo,  it was backwards, they discovered this species and the advantages it would bring, the black goo could be a derivative pathogen from the royal jelly

Actually, I am fine with the Quadrilogy being self contained and separate from the prequels. That way, the prequels could be explored and fans might see the prequels as just more movies in the over all Alienverse? 

"I would not be Surprised if the Space Jockey would be Revealed to be one of Davids Creations.."

That would be something! Need a short story about this!

 "I do know that I don't want to see sprawling movies that never link up. "

Even if they don't make another movie, I REALLY want to know what RS has in mind....I hope Luke Scott speaks with him daily!

@DK

We have to remember that RS said the Engineers come and go to Planet 4 at certain Intervals and so those who come and go could take Hundreds of Years between Visits.

So those who Return to  Planet 4 could go off after David and Ultimately end up DEAD... there could be other Engineers and Creations in FAR FAR reaches of the Galaxy that would NEVER appear in our Part of the Galaxy... or maybe abandon our Section of Space and Leave us to ROT!

I think if we got a Climax to the Prequels then Yeah we cant have any Engineers left within the Section of the Galaxy that Mankind has Explored in the Franchise... i also think LV-223 would have to be DESTROYED too.

That's a lot to unpack but it brings back the basics of the pathogen discussed if memory serves. It seems it had a dual purpose: creating life as seen in the intro in Prometheus, and destroying life as seen in the Quadrilogy. For the quadrilogy, it points to pure destruction until humans and Ash start tinkering with face huggers and Walmart funds all out cloning. 

@MonsterZero

You make a Good Point...

Indeed we could see David go and Evolve the Human Embryos to create a more Perfect Humanoid than Humans and Engineers.   Then to see his Disappointment when his Creations become more like Himself!

They CANT Procreate!

He would then need to GET more Humans to gain Embryo's to Re-Create more of his New Species... what happens when they Discover him using some Captured and Hidden Humans.... and his Creations Discover that THIS is where they came from and HAD it been that David had left their Embryo's to Grow Naturally as Humans they would have been able to Create instead of being some Abomination Engineered by David.

This is HOW i see the LV-223 Engineers, they are either a Engineered/Cloned Version of Planet 4 Engineers who are Engineered for a Purpose... and CANT procreate... or they are some Engineers who Self Evolved themselves at the Hubris of losing the Ability to Procreate.

Either way they became Frustrated they cant Create... like David and they like David began to find other ways to Create! (Creating Horrors).

I would not be Surprised if the Space Jockey would be Revealed to be one of Davids Creations..

@DK

Indeed that just shows the Pickle we are in now....

Do we Brush under the Carpet what we saw in Alien Covenant regarding David and the Xenomorph?  I think its tricky... you see if we go to just ignore any more Xenomorphs and Davids Destiny does not lead to LV-426 then people are still going to want to know so HOW/WHEN/WHY did the Eggs get onto LV-426 and then some fans would want to know WHAT the Hell was David doing then and WHY has he not carried on with his WOLF?

So its a Pickle they find themselves in!

The Solution/Solutions i have proposed over time could WORK.. but they would require Patience from Fans.. you will NOT get from Alien Covenant to ALIEN in a single Movie... so the Next One would be a SET-UP but then its a case of Fans maybe not wanting to go through a What Kind of World that David Creates... before we get to things going to POT and then another Movie that would then STRING everything together where his Experiments are Evolved and End up on the Derelict.

So you could likely keep such a Set-Up but do a Aftermath Movie which Alien Covenant was basically the Aftermath to Prometheus 1.5 aka The Crossing...  so we have a By-Pass and now go to a "what kind of World do incoming Humans discover that has gone to POT after Davids Paradise becomes a Hell"

I think even if they had David admit he just found a Egg and it was Aggressive and yet he found the Neomorphs to be more Controllable and so he Began to try and make a Amalgamation of them and the Xenomorph to create his Masterpiece we saw in Alien Covenant.

I think for a lot of Fans they would still want a Movie that is a LOT less about David, and they would want to see Vanilla Xenomorphs Return in Engineer Ships!

in Hindsight this is the PICKLE we are in because FOX Caved in to thinking the Fans wanted Xenomorphs and a Direct Prequel Answers... and then the Mistake to decide that its GREAT to show David as the Creator.

David should have Created something more Different, a Ultramorph and have him show how he got to it and this allows us to then assume the Engineers did similar Thousands of Years ago to get the Xenomorph.

Or they should have made a more Alieny Movie that went to LV-223 to investigate Dr Shaws SOS and with this introduce something more Similar to the Xenomorph and show us that one Ship of Eggs had escaped this Place and Ended Up on LV-426...

Thus then allowing another Movie to go with David and Shaw to seek out the Engineers...

What we have now is a Story that has Written itself into a Corner.

MonsterZero I am referring to Scott's wanting to explore the SJ and that's where the prequels went. There could be a big battle as the final prequel movie, but imagining that brings up imagery of Star Wars and such. I really can't think of a good way to link up to Alien directly. I do know that I don't want to see sprawling movies that never link up. 

"focus on the Engineers"

Since there's no mention of the Engineers in Alien 1 - 4....I'd think they need to remove them from the franchise with one big battle? (or did David already do that?)

  "Well before Prometheus landed i did Wonder if we would be seeing a Pinocchio situation with David, where he would become a Real Boy.... of Sorts and what a Hubris if then he could be Infected with a Face Hugger."

Start  AC2 with synthetic David creating a human version himself And unlike the Ripley clones in A:R (mutated) Have the David clones 'born' with slight imperfections.

 David noticed a small blemish over the clone's right shoulder and tired of his clones screaming and pleading, He immediately sliced this ones throat....

  He desired perfection and would continue to destroy until his goal was reached.

Synthetic David: "How do you feel my son?"

Human David (#35), glancing at the pile of David corpses,: "Perfectly fine father" 

I think there are too many problems trying to make a movie that leads directly to Alien. The facehugger exiting the SJ and burning a hole in the floor is still a mystery as is the size discrepancy of the ship we see compared to the "egg silo"- and we know why the scenes were cut that way. The film would likely divide fans even further.

I think the best way forward is to focus on the Engineers and essentially end in a way that fans could possibly piece the connection to Alien for themselves.

I agree that the Marketing for Prometheus was better....

For Alien Covenant it was really just about PUSHING those Posters of the Xenomorph and Egg down our THROATS!  They seemed to think that maybe Prometheus got some Negativity because it NEVER had the Xenomorph or its Origins..

So they was like LOOK! XENOMORPHS!

Then we got THIS.... a Massive Piece of Miss-Information.

I think some Fans would have Expected scenes like this in the Movie!

I do think it was Disappointing the Budget we got for Alien Covenant seemed like FOX maybe never had too much Confidence and played it Safe!  With Inflation the Covenant Budget would have been like Prometheus only getting $100M and that is about what Alien Covenant had ($30M Less than Prometheus) when with Inflation a $130M in 2011 would have been at least $150M in 2016

But even if Alien Covenant had a Extra $50M its a Question of looking at the PLOT the Draft and the Running Time, then its a case of WHAT difference that $50M may have made?

Improved CGI, replace with some High Tech Animatronics etc? 

Replace some of the Actors with more Well Known Actors?

Again all of these would still depend on the Plot all a Bigger Budget would have done is add some Gloss here and there, but the Fundamental Failures and Disappointments may have remained.

I think the Problem after Alien Covenant was that FOX was Surprised that Alien Covenant did so Poor at the Box Office...  Then they are Left with the Critics over the Plot and Especially the Curve-ball....

They have kind of Wrote themselves into a Corner now, with a Backbone Plot that not so many Fans wish to go and see.

I think a Number of Fans would be willing to WAIT and then have it revealed that the Prequels, and Especially with Alien Covenant were just a BAD DREAM.....

I personally think you have to PICK UP where you have SET-UP and try and FIX it as best as you can!  I am not a FAN of Pretending something NEVER happened apart from when its a Spin-Off like the AVP movies.

Yeah they could go and do a Blomkamp.... as in lets just remove Alien 3 and Alien R and bring back Ripley and have it that Alien 3 etc never EXIST!   So what if some Fans are like Whah Whah! Boo Hoo they Killed Off our Hicks and Newt and then Real Ripley.... Whats done is Done!

You just have to Work Around them...

The same applies with a Continuation to Alien Covenant, but i PITY the Guys who have to come up with a PLOT to go and get us to ALIEN and try and Please the Fans..

I think that Crowd Funding could work as far as to get us some Answers and Closure in a Certain way as far as a Novel or Comic...  But for a Movie then Budget really does have a Massive Impact on what you can show... especially with Space Scenes/Ships and Monsters..

Personally i think maybe we should get a Movie that is set 10 years after Alien Covenant and will BY-PASS most of what David does next....

After Prometheus we had a 10 Year Gap where we would Discover what Happens with David and Dr Shaw, until her Death, and what remained on Planet 4 after the Bombardment and his Experiments in more Detail.  It was like there was a STORY there... one that was BY-PASSED.

I think we could maybe do the Same with the Sequel to Alien Covenant and so we SKIP the Sequel.... and arrive at the Next One which would be the After-Math of what Happens when Davids kind of World goes Tits-Up! (goes to POT)

I then think it would be NICE to then get TWO Novels... ONE which would give account to some of the Time between Prometheus and Alien Covenant, and another to cover say some of the 10 Years after Alien Covenant.

I think the Problem stems down from WHAT do you do for a Prequel?

If you go for a Chronological Direct Prequel where in Real Time you would show HOW the Eggs got on the Derelict, then Assuming that the EGGS were NOT placed on the Ship say AFTER it had Landed on LV-426 then what you are left with is a Movie that would have to be either SET in the Distant Past (how do Humans play a Role) or its SET not FAR behind the Time-Line of ALIEN (which means the Space Jockey Remains are not so Ancient).

Once you also have SHOWN the HOW the Eggs get on the Ship in ADDITION to HOW/WHEN/WHERE they was Discovered/Created by the Space Jockey.

Then there really is NOT so much more you can keep doing with the Xenomorph once you have those Answers...

so then it turns to WHO are the Space Jockey Race and WHY would they have such Cargo, if the Eggs are a Engineered Bio-Weapon then its a case of Answering as to WHY would they Create such a thing.... against WHO!

^^^^^ THIS.. is the other Plot/Revelation that they Felt was more Important and would OPEN up a whole New Franchise to Explore....

At this Time however it was NOT going to be a Revelation of the Xenomorph being a Creation by a Human Created Robot, in Hindsight they felt they should KEEP the Origin a Mystery but give us enough to Figure out its Origins are Connected to the Engineers, the LV-223 Facilities are Horrors they was Experimenting with....

In Hindsight it was a mistake to make the Clues too Vague, and NOT really have any Connecting Monster on-screen apart from the Trilobite/Deacon which was sadly NOT a Good Enough Substitute because all we in effect got would be as if ALIEN had Ended at the Kane Chest Busting Shot in Alien.

In Hindsight.... after Prometheus they should have made a Sequel that would have SENT in a recovery Mission to LV-223 where it would be a more Alieny kind of Movie with some Monsters more like the Xenomorph and more Clues to HOW/WHEN they was Created.

Then they could have CLOSED the Door to ALIEN and Fans could have got more Understanding of the Types of Horrors the Engineers were creating and then maybe be saying "WOW they was Cool i would love to see more of the Horrors the Engineers had Created"

Then another Sequel that would FOLLOW where David and Dr Shaw were going and Uncover more about the Engineers and other Mystery of Prometheus, and then indeed they could have the David Arc as he Creates his OWN version of the Monsters.

This route would have KEPT the Xenomorph Ancient and would NOT have had to give us Vanilla Xenomorphs to Answer the Questions.  It would then also had allowed RS to explore the Engineers, and Themes of Prometheus of which DAVID was always going to be a BIG part.

But ALAS we got Alien Covenant and NOW we have to go to Damage Control.... its going to be Hard to Continue with David and it be about him a lot, and to then Give Xenomorphs and Answers as far as LV-426 which some Fans want and are Hopeful they would be revealed as NOT having anything to do with David.

So you have to incorporate David's Role... but then try and have his role as far as the Final Product reduced.. as i mentioned in previous Posts... he becomes the MIDDLE MAN.

But thats not going to please some Fans... but then if we have it were Humans turn up to Origae-6 and Discover that David is Dead the Colonist turned into KNOCK OFF versions of the Xenomorph... and as the Humans come to Terms with this.. the Engineers Rock Up and Unleash the Original Xenomorphs.

For some Fans this would be GREAT... for those who liked what Prometheus was doing it would just be another lets Cook the Beast again Movie.

Did they test it on a Real Jonesy first ;)

Well I don't agree in the slightest. Prometheus and Covenant are excellent movies. I wouldn't mind ten more movies just like this.

The fact that RS got 2 movies out and people are still feeling meh about these films says it all.

I remember walking out of the theater after ALien3..Thinking: What the hell was that!? ...then Walking out of Alien:Resurrection..Also thinking: What the hell was that!? Pretty much everone was in agreement: Both films sucked and the next Alien movie would too.

I don't think there's any magical director or super plot that's going to satisfy the new or old fan base.

Outstanding!!! very fine work indeed! Please more!

 I just feel without trying we will never know how large of a dedicated paying fan base is out there to crowd fund new Alien shows and movies....I know that crowd funding works. I also know there are more than few million people that enjoy all these movies! I have loved them for 40 years and still enjoy watching them several times a year...just watched Alien on 4k two weeks ago and the detail is amazing! You have not seen Alien until you have watched it in 4k.

I would also like to share this bit of interesting trivia...we watched one of the most successful advertising campaigns put onto the internet over several months to get Prometheus to gross over a half billion dollars...BigDave will attest to the fact that Ridley's budget was cut and we got the move we got; however, I digress. The point is our strategy moving forward with any project is to raise capital. This was Ridley's strategy too and it paid off big time the way they did all the internet promotional crowd participation activities....you all remember the Weyland video? I do !!!! of we all do and the corporate website for Weyland-Yutani....these were all part of Ridley's strategy to garner interest in the movie before it was released.

We need a similar strategy but not based on vignettes or anything Disney would come after us for because they own the copy wright to this franchise.....I say no we are their boss we are the fans and right now I believe there are a few million fans that want this content....we just have to show Disney we mean business! Disney operates and understands money. 

So NO we are not giving up on this yet!!! NO WE ARE NOT!

I have another mechanism already in place! A top secret one. So down the rabbit hole we all go right now! Huddle round my friends....you are about to see history in the making.

We do the internet thing and raise awareness....I have a server and bandwidth for what we need....this is the funnel! Once inside the server each visitor will pledge a digital amount of cash....that cash is not even real money....it will be in small denominations 10, 25, 50 dollars. Some people have more some people have less....we need the price of at least the admission of one movie ticket....now get this they do not put any real cash in the "Till" only pledge a virtual ammount they will pay contingent Disney gets started and goes into production....we want Disney's respect we don't care what they want to produce or not....the only way to get them to do what we want is to show enough support....that is where 25 million people world wide will pledge digital support....they pay nothing until Disney goes into production....Disney cannot back out either because once they say yes those emails and IM's go out and they click on those phones all that cash....Disney gets nothing until we see commitment....look ladies and gentlemen we are getting nothing from Disney any way for years.....they see this kind of money they cannot say no to it!!!! They will do ask we say....essentially we make ourselves the treasury indirectly....we can raise as much fake cash up front as we want.....but when the time comes and Disney is ready to go into production we better make sure our fans are ready with price of least one ticket....ten dollars each! 

The show must go on and it will! We are not giving up anything we hold are the keys to kingdom! We are Disney's boss they just dont know it yet....we are gonna tell them in the right way though! 

hox

Thanks for the Ripley-related facts.

It looks really good! It would look even better if it looke a little wet or saw some slime drippimg off of it.

OK, the next movie is 10 years on after a rescue mission finds David dissected on Origae-6.  Done with the AI theme.  Investigate the Engineers and the background of the Xenomorphs.  Go for the big theme and explain the LV-426 ship and eggs.  Also, explain the intention of the Engineers.  When I hear RS talk he's already changing his focus and its back to the Xenomorphs now.  I give up.  Give this thing to Dennis V and let him run w/ it.  I believe the Mouse Kingdom wants to go forward but if they know what they are doing give it to someone else.  The Prometheus and AC went off the rails.  Have RS be director of photography and give the big seat to Dennis and wrap this up now.  I do not want to see another robot movie or about characters no one cares about.  I'm sorry but my patience is finite.  The fact that RS got 2 movies out and people are still feeling meh about these films says it all.

From what we knew after Alien Covenant it seemed that RS was 2-3 Movies away from ALIEN.

Therefor his Next Movie would have been where David goes next and what he gets up to (World he Creates) before the Climax where £"$£"% hits the FAN!  This Movie he claimed would NOT be about the Xenomorph but A.I and what KIND of a World that David would Create.

It seems Likely that this World would be Origae-6 which we can Safely Assume is NOT near LV-223. However it seems that the Events of Davids Actions will lead to LV-426 by the Time the Prequels are Finished.

so the Sequel will likely take place on Origae-6 and will be set in Part 7.5+ Years after Alien Covenant, it will NOT had Focused on the Xenomorph, but would have had 1-2 more Sequels that would then lead us to ALIEN.

To arrive at ALIEN then Davids Creation has some Evolving to go and would have to be ON a Engineer Ship that ends up Crash Landing on LV-426 and so we have to come to HOW does a Engineer Ship come into Play and WHY would it be near LV-426

Ridley Scott had said the Engineers would return to Planet 4 and discover the Destruction and would be after the Culprit...

So some Engineers will return and go to Origae-6 this could be where the DERELICT would come from...

I would assume that before we get to ALIEN what we would see is that the DERELICT is either.

1) Carrying Eggs to LV-223 to be Experimented on but the Ship has to be Forced to land on near by LV-426

2) The Ship goes to LV-223 to Evolve the Eggs and then attempts to leave LV-223 but is then Forced to land on LV-426

I would assume Option 2

So indeed this is HOW i interpreted what RS was going to do with the Alien Covenant Sequel

I'm wondering how RS intends to tie in with the original A L I E N ?

Nice Work... thanks for  Sharing ;)

"How would everyone feel about a flesh and blood David?"

Well before Prometheus landed i did Wonder if we would be seeing a Pinocchio situation with David, where he would become a Real Boy.... of Sorts and what a Hubris if then he could be Infected with a Face Hugger.

We have to Remember the Themes are about Evolution, Perfection and Creation!  And Walter is a Perfection of David as far as Aesthetically... but he lacks the Knowledge and Free-will of David...  but i think we can GUARANTEE that David will end up in a Walter Body (Covenant bound to have Spares to Build One)

It seems a Walter could be a Synthetic Construct... and so part Organic... and i would NOT be Surprised if this was Intended to play some Eventual Role in the Journey to the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph.

 So yeah i would not be surprised if David would look to Perfect his Body or Find a Perfect Host for his SOUL.

BigDave

Especially those who see the Xenomorph as being something that NO-ONE had Created.

Yeah, that's a tough one.

I don't think The xeno evolving from a small bug over the eons, is anything special to write home about(or make a movie about)

I'd MUCH rather the xeno's originate from something evil.

"I think the evolution of the Alien himself is nearly over, but what I was trying to do was transcend and move to another story, which would be taken over by A.I.’s. The world that the AI might create as a leader if he finds himself on a new planet. We have actually quite a big layout for the next one"

Certainly Chris this seemed to be what RS intentions was.

So David wants to be a Creator still, what kind of a WORLD would he Create? It depends on his Agenda!

We see David had Created his Xenomorph... if his PLANS are to merely Create a ARMY of Xenomorphs then surely he would just take as Many Female Colonist down to Planet 4 and Continue with them as he did with Dr Shaw!

He could then take Many Eggs back to the Covenant and SET-OFF to Planet 4 to again MASS PRODUCE more. OR he could just attempt to MASS PRODUCE the Eggs from Female Colonist on the Covenant... i would assume the Face Huggers would NOT do as he would need some Black Goo (but he could have got some).

HOWEVER..... this is a VERY much XENOMORPH Flick... and RS said the NEXT movie would NOT be about the Xenomorph (does not mean it wont have any) but it would be about A.I

So does this mean its gonna be about ONE very MAD Robot?  Are there Spares to Walter so he could build more Walters and Transfer his Soul into them?

Something we are Overlooking is that when RS talks about A.I he refers to the Replicants in Blade Runner as being a A.I

Something else is that David had said to Daniels that he will TUCK IN the Children... His Face Huggers are his Children.... but we also have the Human Embryo's

"The world that the AI might create as a leader "

How can David be a Leader?  He is a Servant to Humans, are the Colonist going to Accept David?  They may think he is Walter and are they going to just accept a ROBOT as King?

David wanted to Create a New Eden with Dr Shaw but she Rejected him!  If she did-not would they had Created just Horrific Xenomorphs?

Dr Shaw could not Create.. not in the Traditional Sense, so maybe David could have offered to TRY and see if he could HELP her to Create a HUMANOID?

But ALAS all that become of her was to be used to Create the Xenomorph and so David has shown he can Perfect a Monster the Engineers had attempted to Create!

Could he maybe be Tempted to see if he could Create his OWN Civilization of Humanoids?

I think we have to remember another Quote from David to Daniels when she asked WHAT KIND of a World they could Build... he replies to her "if we are KIND it will be a KIND World"

I think we also have to look at the Nature Boy Song for the Trailer to Alien Covenant the Lyrics to seem to FIT with David and so lets look at this Part

Then we spoke of many things: Fools and kings
Then he said to me "The greatest thing you'll ever learn Is to love and be loved in return"

We see with David he was Mistreated by Mankind, had he been made to Feel Loved would he had Turned out Different?

So all things considered i would ASSUME that David could be looking to EVOLVE those Embryo's and Create his OWN version of Humanity.

If David has a Colony Infrastructure Set Up, and he then Raises these Evolved Embryo's into Children who have NO CONTACT with anyone else... ONLY with David.

Then he would NOT only be their Leader, but he could proclaim to be their GOD and Creator!

But dont forget that 3-4 Parties will be incoming to where David is going.... One are the Engineers.... it is likely another will be at LEAST another Human Colony...  they would maybe be Expecting something DIFFERENT to what they Discover..

A World of Hybrid Humans being ruled by a Android... what would the Hybrid Humans think when incoming Humans inform them that David is NOT a God... when they are Faced with a Walter and they Discover they are actually HUMANS who have become the Experiments to a Twisted Android wanna be GOD who wishes to turn his Creators into his Creations!

The $£"% would HIT the Fan!

For a Wanna be GOD when your Creations become Corrupted then you would have to be Resorted to Cleansing..... which is where the Xenomorphs would have to be Unleashed!

What is the Result of a Face Hugger on a Hybrid Superior Human another Evolution of the Xenomorph?

So indeed this is HOW i interpreted what RS was going to do with the Alien Covenant Sequel

Leto

So... David must defeat humanity, get his woman and build the Giger World... The Happy End.

Lol! Absolutely.

David is probably closing in on ways to clone himself...Becoming human(using peter Weylands DNA)!

How would everyone feel about a flesh and blood David?

I think the DAMAGE is done... you have to TRY and see how we can FIX this...

You are NOT going to please all the Fans.... and so i think to Continue is a Poisoned Chalice...

A lot of what Prometheus had SET-UP has been brushed away, what remains does come down to David and the Experiments the Desire to Create....  you can bring the Engineers back into it.... the SCOPE of them is HUGE.. surely for a Race who have Star-Maps to other Galaxies and are Millions of Years old they would NOT all be Found to just STICK AROUND the Zeta 2 System.

We need to look at WHY the Engineers had been Messing about with all that CRAP on LV-223, surely if they wanted to KILL OFF the Population of Earth then they just do what DAVID had done to the Engineers... 

ALIEN EGGS are a Dumb Ass Weapon!

If you intent is ONLY to Destroy a Potential Foe!

The ALIEN is one Sinister, Disturbing Creature a HORROR... Once you get those Eggs onto a Planet and they GET out of CONTROL.... your left with a Massive Hive World of Nasty, Aggressive Invasive Parasitic Killing Machines.

Whoever would Create such a thing must have some Pretty Much Disturbed/Sinister thinking.

So you have to think of more to Creating something like that than purely as a WEAPON!

I think you need to look at more of a Reason for the Engineers Experiments than just to Create something to KILL off any THREATS... unless they are Sadistic.... then we have to go and Discover WHY they are so Wicked.

So i think we need to look at what the Engineers were doing... if we ASSUME that they DID-NOT create the Xenomorph, they Certainly was Experimenting on similar things.

You see if these beings are just CREATORS then we have to wonder WHY do they Create?  Do they really just go around and Seed Worlds and Visit them to Create Humanoids to then just KILL for the sake of it?

If they only do so when a Creation gets out of Hand or does-not behave the way they intend... then DROPPING DOWN on them URNS filled with the Sacrificial Goo will be the ULTIMATE  Reset Button!

So there has to be more to the Experiments some Engineers were conducting....

So what we have with David is that he has seen what the Black Goo can do and he has been Experimenting, and Cross-Hybridizing and what we see he has done is CREATE something that is more SUPERIOR than the Neomorph, than the Deacon that came from Dr Shaws Fetus, and maybe David has Perfected what the Engineers had attempted!

So when the Engineers come and Discover that DAVID has Created his Masterpiece.... HOW would the Engineers view this Creation?  They maybe would be Impressed but also their Ego would be Dented?

How would the Engineers feel about David... and see that he is SUPERIOR to Humans, and the Engineers see that Humans have Sub-Created something that is more Superior to the Engineers Creations (Humans) again they could be Impressed but also their Ego could be Dented.

The Engineers are Creators..... they would be starring at a Superior Creation (David/Walter) that came from their own Creations (Mankind) who has Created a Horror that is maybe more Superior to the Engineers Attempts..

David has Perfected the Art of Creating Horrific Monsters from the Engineers Secrets.

HOWEVER.......

We are NOT yet at ALIEN, we are NOT quite at the Bio-Mechanical Horror of ALIEN... so Davids Beast needs more Evolving!

I think we need to have the Engineers come back and Attempt to Combine David and his Creation and MAKE the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph... and this is HOW the Xenomorph is Born!

This means David has taken what the Engineers had Started, he has Created his own Near Perfection, and then the Engineers come and FINISH off what David had Started.... and the Space Jockey pays the ULTIMATE Hubris in trying to think that Restarting Experiments instead of Abandoning them is a Good Idea!

David is thus the Middle Man who took the Engineers Secrets to Create the Protomorph, which the Engineers then EVOLVE into the Xenomorph from the Franchise.

Again this would LIKELY not Please all the Fans.... you can try and involve David and the Engineers, even introduce the Space Jockey as another Race...  but it WONT please everyone...

Especially those who see the Xenomorph as being something that NO-ONE had Created.

While Ridley Scott feels you can continue the Alien Franchise, and it has more MILES left to it... i do suspect the Next Movie we would see would be in 2026 to celebrate 40 Years of ALIENS with a Aliens Sequel.

I feel maybe Disney could put the Prequels as a Forgotten Memory.

I think the Prequels have seemed to be about David too much for MOST fans liking....

The Problems began with some Fans thinking and expecting that Prometheus would be Connected to ALIEN more than it was and that to connect to ALIEN, you need the ALIEN or at least something that is CLOSE to it.   You would also expect that a Prequel would show us WHERE the Xenomorph came from and HOW it got onto the Derelict on LV-426

However another purpose for doing a Prequel of Sorts would be to Explore who the Space Jockey was.

In Hindsight they decided that you actually dont need the Xenomorph as we have seen them Over and Over, and you could be Ambiguous with the Origins so that some Mystery is retained.

So the Connection was not enough for Fans, for others it was clear to see some Connection, but it was left open to Interpretation.

WHAT they decided that meant more was HOW do you expand on the Franchise, they had at this Point Decided the Xenomorph was either a Engineered Bio-Weapon or something that Spawned from a Engineered Bio-Weapon. So their thinking was ONCE you had shown the Xenomorph was Created this way and was Created for this Purpose, its then WHAT do you do Next?

The other Part of the Plot was to explore the Space Jockey Race as a Humanoid Species of wanna be Gods, Creators and that they had played a Part in the Creation and Evolution of Mankind as well as potentially Countless other Worlds.

They felt that this kind of Story was something they could EXPAND on to give us something New/Different rather than Return to Eggs, Face Huggers and Rampaging Monsters.  So if these Beasts were Created or intended to be used as Biological Warfare then the BIGGER question is WHY, by WHOM.

This is where Alien Engineers then Evolved into Prometheus by dropping the Need for the Xenomorph and Spoon Fed Origins... they wanted to SET-UP a Potential Spin Off Franchise about the Space Jockey Creators and their Agenda, showing us that at some point these GUYS had been playing about and Experimenting with something that can get out of HAND and lead to Monstrous Results... which the Deacon showed us at the END.... and do enough to get us to then Assume that messing about with all that Black Goo and Stuff in the Past had LIKELY led to those Eggs on LV-426 but it was kept Ambiguous to retain Mystery.

A Sequel would have gone to STEER AWAY from the Xenomorph in ALIEN and LIKELY to expand more on the Creation Themes, Rebellion Themes, the COST of Free-will, the Pursuit of Perfection and Immortality.

It was HIGHLY LIKELY we would have seen more of the Engineers, and Dr Shaw and i think at some-point then YES we could see some HORRORS that are related to the Black Goo but they would NOT lead to ALIEN or be close to the Xenomorph.

HOWEVER........ Powers that be had Determined that actually you are better off to BRING the Xenomorph back and to go on a Journey to show us HOW/WHEN/WHERE and WHY and WHO created the Xenomorph that Eventually Ended up on LV-426

Dr Shaw and the Engineers were SACRIFICED to give us the Plot for Alien Covenant, the David Arc could continue the Themes of Prometheus....

And Alien Covenant did bring forwards a lot of those Themes, just they felt you could touch upon them with David and Walter.   The CURVE-BALL that David had Created the Xenomorph does fit PERFECTLY with the Themes of Prometheus, and the Monster we saw in ALIEN and the Android Influence on the Franchise.

The Problem is that MOST of the Fans always saw the Xenomorph as ANCIENT... be it discovered by the Space Jockey, Created by the Space Jockey or any other Origin.

Fans just was NOT prepared for a Curve-ball that it was a more recent Creation and also ONE by a MAD ROBOT!

The Xenomorph is a DELICATE subject, a ICON for Fans and Sadly not many would agree the AC Plot was a Good Idea!

In Hindsight David should have Created something more Different.... yet more similar to the Xenomorph than the Deacon was...

If he had Created the Neomorph that then would Egg Morph a Host to Produce how they Procreated and so then Neomorph like Monsters would break from the Egg Cocoons (be bit more like Gremlins).

And have him say that the Engineers had attempted to Create some Monstrous Creations from the Black Goo that they could NOT control... but he has attempted to Create his own and Perfect what they did.

We then see David have another Experiment that he uses maybe Dr Shaw for were we see INFECTED Human Egg Cells produce Eggs that contain a Type of Face Hugger... we could carry on to Create a Ultra-morph that would look like a Cross between a Xenomorph and Neomorph.

Basically David did-not have to be shown to Create the Xenomorph, he could have created something NEW and referenced the Engineers attempts they failed with.  The David-Arc would be IN TACT the Xenomorph still a Mystery but NOW we kind of know more about HOW it could have been Created...

Problem Solved!

But instead we got Alien Covenant and now its a case of HOW do you FIX that?

ignorantGuy

What I can see Garland did the screenplay for 28 Days Later but he also did a movie about AI. He can write a screenplay but it should not be about AI but like the survival-ism of 28 Days Later. It probably depends on if he stays within the horror genre and focus on the human adventure like 28 Days Later was or if he fucks up and focuses on AI. Option 1 is alright, option 2 sucks.

"I feel maybe Disney could put the Prequels as a Forgotten Memory."

BD, I would rather have that than another David movie.

@BlackAnt

As this is a News Post, then for some reason Unfortunately you cant EDIT your posts Once you have hit the post Button, unlike what you can do with Forum Posts.

I admire the idea of a Fan Funded Project, but am i not really sure that Sufficient Numbers would be willing to give say $25, i am also not sure that Disney has much plans for the Franchise at the Moment.

They own the Rights to the Franchise and so will make Money from Merchandise, Comics, Books, Games and Toys etc.  I dont think they are in any rush to go and make anything as far as a TV Series, never mind a Movie.

While Ridley Scott feels you can continue the Alien Franchise, and it has more MILES left to it... i do suspect the Next Movie we would see would be in 2026 to celebrate 40 Years of ALIENS with a Aliens Sequel.

I feel maybe Disney could put the Prequels as a Forgotten Memory.

"Originally the Prometheus story arc would have seen David create an Alien race of his own which would come to a head with the vengeful Engineer species once they discovered the tragedy David unleashed on Paradise." Was this true already in 2012? Have you got some evidence?

"It looks like Scott has learned not to listen to the angry fan boy mobs who refuse to give up their ideological views of this franchise and venture off into unknown, more thought provoking territory." Probably he learned to ignore also those like me who like much Prom and hated Covenant. Not because of what an Alien should be in my mind but the fact that the "more thought provoking territory" is a sum of cliche and everything is just nihilistic non-sense. The heroes don't matter and the villain ultimately will be killed by his own Creation. Great.

@BlackAnt I highly doubt that there are millions of fans who would give that RS money to make his movie to be shown on Disney+. Do you know that currently there are about 20 countries where it is available? Why I as a Eastern European would give him money without being able to see it legally? And I never heard about crowd-funding in blind....

@Thoughts_Dreams The director of 28 Days Later was not written by the director Danny Boyle but by Alex Garland who is also responsible for Ex Machina and Devs, both tackling your favorite subject matter AI. 

Big Dave

That is an interesting comment about the Amish people and that might be a part of the answer. I am not sure about the rest even though I understand what you are saying about common people not having thrones and so on. Yes there could be a way that it could be the case in the Engineer society, I just wish that it would look more space-y and odd instead of what they went with but they could handle that in a better way if we will get another movie. Sure this could have been done in Alien Covenant, wouldn't you say so? Perhaps they thought by the reaction that people did not like the Engineers so maybe they did not think that it was worth it to have more than that. Hopefully we will see more of the LV223 Engineers in the next movie and not as much of those in Alien Covenant even though they could be a part of it.

Keep him away from the story and let him build the worlds, environment. Whenever he touches the story we will get disappointments like that android shit. No one can be good at everything so he should stick to what he is good at, that is my opinion. I almost do not have any trust in him left. Get another director maybe? The director of 28 Days Later did a good job, maybe let him try it. Even though David Fincher is unlikely to return I would like to see what he could do without the studio messing it up for him. Clive Barker could maybe work as a director, he directed Hellraiser for those that do not know. John Carpenter could work, he was involved in doing Dark Star with O'Bannon by the way.

Scott could be a producer but he interferes too much with the story he has got to go. Hopefully Disney understands this and does something about it.