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Well, yes, they are unlikely to be able to withstand countless legions of prequel fans;)

Too late for Shaw either.

It looks like the only concern of the producers is to cash in and they imagine they can do so by pleasing the fans of the Ripley quadrilogy or even a smaller faction, the fans of Aliens, but that is a dead end.

Even as a TV series it would not work.

Shaw said that she can't give the life because is infertile and don't producting humans Eggs. 

>>>Xenomorph was considered only a SMALL Part of the Engineers

You said "small" but you mean primary.

Also do not forget that "big things have small beginnings". Ironically, isn't it?

This means that xenomorph is at the center of the civilization of engineers. The source of their power.

>>>I would not say that RS was trying to MILK the Franchise, i think he was looking at a way to EXPAND the Franchise

Expand doesn't mean that you should avoid giving answers to n-sequel.

>>>Then this would be something the Engineers would LOVE to accomplish to Transcend their Soul into Re-Incarnation a Pseudo Eternal Life

Pseudo science? I think the Alien Universe, including Prometheus, is not a theological revelation (oh god, this word again). This is science fiction. SCI-FI. Yes, yes, I know this sounds like a conspiracy of Angry Filthy Alien Fans. But anyway...

We need to be materialists. Soul - it looks like Prometheus (yes this film) showed us that there is no soul, no life after death, and no immortality.

- NOTHIG NOT.

- I KNOW.

Only meat. And yes - synthetic meat is also meat.

This is the main principle of nature. Even the most ardent philosopher will die without blood. The dependence of "consciousness", "personality", "I", "soul" on the body is undeniable.

The engineer’s head has been alive for 2,000 years and the engineer died when the head exploded. Another engineer tore off David's head. Yes, David is more viable than people. But he is not immortal - crush his head and he will die.

Re-Incarnation - it was cloning. Natural-scientific process. Not magical.

They should resurrect Shaw instead!

And what the "mess"? If the film will have a good quality - who give a... cornbread(!) about canon, Ripley or other things? The level of quality is the main thing - ideas are secondary.

The eggs seem to be a good way to keep the facehuggers alive for thousands of years. And when they depend on hosts, waiting time could be extremely long.

In my opinion we still have the 3 options open:

1. With fewer hosts, the eggs should be able to sustain the facehugger indefinitely to ensure the survival of the species, so yes, it can be regarded as an evolutionary adaptation.

2. If they are bioweapons, could be the equivalent of a landmine, so I see more of a defensive purpose at the beginning, but what do you do when the xenomorph starts killing everything around, how do you control that?

3. The xenomorph as David's pet.

I saw that on Alien 1979 the Eggs lies on ground im Black liquid and Eggs Sting Black substance - Black goo ? Interesting

I also like that it keeps the spirit of the Neomorph's organic look and doesn't look bio mechanical.

               Ovomorphs and natural selection

                   By Charles Robert Darwin

If the eggs produced multiple facehuggers and these creatures would race to plant their seed.... The quickest, strongest would pass on their genes.....But it doesn't seem to work that way, or any other. 

I see the egg as a dead end(maybe the point?).

David is an idiot if he thinks this is the way forward.

Thanks BidDave,

The creativity is always in your mind. No one can born with talents. I believe, you can do it. Because you have a imagination. :))

I was thinking with this Topic and looking at Uplifting the Progenitor of the Xenomorph and the LV-223 Experiments, because it seems what we have now is the Xenomorph is Reduced to just a Experiment based off what the Engineers had done or attempted..

So we have to look at WHY would the Engineers had done what they did, and also WHY it is that David has done what he did..  The Xenomorph sadly is just the Fruits of his Labor.

By Uplifting what Preceded LV-223 we more of a Purpose than it just makes a Good Killing Machine which in-turn we can Uplift the Xenomorph by revealing it has more Potential than to just Harvest Eggs to then use the Nasty SOB's inside to KILL stuff.

Jon Spaights Alien 01 Master Narrative seems to suggest that Millions of Years ago the Engineers were very Much like us.

If we look at them as a Race who had Genetically Manipulated their Species for Longer Life... which is what Peter Weyland would have Loved to have gained.

Ultimately they are still MORTAL... when they Eventually Die or are Killed then their Soul is GONE!

If the Engineers encountered a Organism/Species (or even was Enslaved by such) and this Species (STARBEAST) had a Life-Cycle where the END is just the Beginning the END of their Cycle would Contain a Way to Genetically Pass on their SOUL to be Re-Incarnated...

Then this would be something the Engineers would LOVE to accomplish to Transcend their Soul into Re-Incarnation a Pseudo Eternal Life

The Engineers Ultimately could NOT successfully do this, all they could Create was Horrific Beasts.

When we FAST FORWARDS to Alien Resurrection we will see that Ripley 8 and her Creation the Amalgamation of Xenomorph and Human DNA has led to her being a Re-Incarnation of Ripley.

Within Ripley 8 is the Potential to a Superior Humanoid as well as Genetic Memory Transference.

Again Ripley 8 had become a Pseudo Re-Incarnation of Ellen Ripley.

But could their be a Transfer of a Darker Soul.... the Soul of the Starbeast that could begin to take Hold of the Soul of Ripley 8.... and so Ripley 8 could become just as much a Collective of the Starbeasts Souls as her own Human Soul.

I think there is Potential to Elevate the Story beyond Creating Eggs that bare purely Killing Machines

I suspect in Part that Davids Story would just be a Re-Telling of what those Engineers on LV-223 had done..

It seems that David saw the Engineers had Great Potential in their Tools/Technology but what they had done with them had NOT lived up to the Potential.

He would look at Mankind as a Creation of the Engineers that really is NOT as Superior to the Engineers, and YET in a Ironic Twist these In-Superior Humans had Created a Being that is Superior to its Creator (David).

The Engineers had taken the Eye off the Ball and Failed to be able to Control their In-Superior Creation and so they began to Conduct Experiments on Horrors to Quell/Destroy their Wayward Creations and again the Engineers managed to FAIL with that, in Creating something they could NOT manage to Control.

Call themselves GODS... i think David would be thinking, he maybe learned about their History and Realized that in Thousands and Thousands of Years then Mankind with the Engineers Secrets/Knowledge could have been on PAR with their Creators.

But with such Secrets and Knowledge we see that David feels he can SURPASS both of those Mortal Species.

David would have seen and Experimented and Studied these mere Ancient Humanoids, he would see more Similarities with them to Humans.  He would also know of the Experiments on LV-223 and see the Evolution that could come from the Pathogen, the Beasts/Horrors and the Potential they had.

And he had gone on to PROVE that he could do his own Genetic Engineering and Create a Horror more Superior... his WOLF!

This is the CROSS-ROADS we are at.... does he just Continue to Perfect his Wolf and lay Plans to Unleash it on the Galaxy?

Or having Proved to himself that he could Create something more PERFECT than the Engineers had attempted on LV-223 does he NOW try his hand at seeing if he could PERFECT the Human Form/Creation?

I Suspect he will USE the Embryo's and Create his OWN Version of Humanity, he will attempt to Pass himself off as their Creator/God......

I think that the Discovery of WHO it is that David really is (Created Servant of Mankind) and these Star-Children if you would Discovering their Origins are from Humanity... that the Seeds for Rebellion and Sewn...

David then Faces similar Problems with his Creation as the Engineers did with theirs.... and so David would have to Unleash his Wolf on his Lambs!

The Engineers will Turn up to Origae-6 and Witness what David had Created, both the Star-Children and Davids very own Starbeast... and i think this is the SET-UP for another Sequel where Davids Experiments/Wolf and a Engineer Ship will leave Origae-6 and go back to LV-223...  Where the Final Chapter of the Prequel will Commence....

It will END with Evolved Wolves of David being Stored on the Derelict as it then Begins its Journey... before things go to POT! and the Rest is History.

Would we see such?  I doubt it...  Have it Interpreted the Plans Accurately or completely off Base?  Who knows..

We will ONLY know if RS chooses to SPILL the Beans of what he Planned and i think we would ONLY ever see that... IF the Prequels are CANNED... or if RS is allowed to Continue.

Nice Work ;)

Wish i had such Talent ;) i have the Imagination to Conjure up some Horrific Abominations but Sadly they stay in my Mind as Pen to Paper.. ART wise well lets not go there lol

"I think you should understand two things:"

Certainly, as i have said before that just because he had said the Next One would not be about the Xenomorph does-not mean that the Xenomorph wont make some kind of a Appearance we simply dont know how much of a Appearance but Certainly it WOULD have to make a Appearance at some point over the Next Two Sequels.  I read into the Comment by Ridley Scott that he sees the Emphasis should not be about the Xenomorph which is what Prometheus was also doing.

I think this is where the Problems Start, because a LOT of Fans would have Expected to see the Xenomorph or its Origins Explained in a Prequel, but with Prometheus they felt you NEVER had to really explain or show it... 

FOX seemed to think this was a Mistake in Hindsight and Assumed that the Fans would NEED to get a Movie that would showcase HOW the Xenomorph was MADE and by WHOM.

The Problem we have with the Change of Direction is that ONCE again the Fans are going to Expect that we are on a A-Z Course to SHOW us from where the Xenomorph Came and HOW/WHEN it ended up on the Derelict on LV-426.

In their Defense (Fans) what we have is a Carrot Dangled in Front of them, showing that HERE is where we begin to show the Stages of how A gets to Z and so to Proceed in a way that Deflects from the Xenomorph and put the Emphasis on David and A.I and what else he would Create would seem like going OFF the Rails to the Path that takes us to the Derelict.

It is in Hindsight a Mistake... they (FOX) should have Grown some Balls and Stuck to what RS was trying to do... but in their Defense they are the ONES who are PAYING for the Prequels and they FELT that maybe going the route that RS had intended would NOT have made as much MONEY as opposed to giving us the XENOMORPH ORIGINS..

I would not say that RS was trying to MILK the Franchise, i think he was looking at a way to EXPAND the Franchise, because ONCE you answer that Story about the Chicken or the Egg its a case of WHERE NEXT?

As Eggs, Face Huggers, Chest Bursting and Snarling does-not have so much Millage... not on its OWN,  you would have to TRY and Uplift the Xenomorph, but for a LONG time it sees it was merely seen as a Horrific Organism that can be used to KILL OFF any Species you wish to Unleash it upon.

Its then the WHY would someone WANT to Create something so Horrific that is where you Expand the Story.

Which is where the Engineers as Creators, Chariots of Gods Plot and the Potential of how many other Worlds have they Seeded, how many other Species have they Created, and attempted to Destroy and how many other Horrors have they tried to Create and Use to do this and WHY.

As opposed to "so we have Eggs, Face Huggers, Chest Poppers and then a Bad Ass Killing Machine" for some Fans the Franchise is about the XENOMORPH and it seems that RS sees more USE for them but you have to Change/Evolve them a bit, as i think going for Eggs, Face Huggers, Chest Busters and Big Chap.. and Queen is something that you would STRUGGLE to go back to OVER and OVER.  By that i mean as far as the Beast!

You could UPLIFT the Beast if you give more to it than it merely being a Created Bio-Weapon that just KILLS.

I think some Fans are NOT pleased with the Lack of Emphasis on the Xenomorph, i am sure MOST would agree that having it Created by David is a SILLY MOVE.

I think that a Revelation that the Space Jockey are Engineers who have Experimented and either Deliberately Created the Xenomorph or it was a Unintentional Result of their Bio-Logical Weapons Program would be a Bitter Pill that they could SWALLOW.

But Certainly the Origins we have are not going down too well.

We could try and look at other Back Story for the Xenomorph such as its some Natural Organism that behave in a way similar to how Bee's, Ants and Termites would in that they Build Hives and are about Survival and Protection of their Queen and by Virtue of HOW they Procreate and HOW they can be used as a Invasive Species means they would be USEFUL to Eradicate other Species.

Or we could look at the Xenomorph as being more like the Starbeast and that Given Time then LV-426 could have become a Great Hive where the Xenomorphs would then go on to Construct more than just Basic Hives and would FORM some kind of Civilization and maybe Space Travel.

Sadly with Alien Covenant it seems that for those TWO options the SHIP has already SAILED..

But we can go back to a Organism that Predates the Xenomorph from which without their would be NO LV-223 Experiments and Nothing for David to Create his Horror from.. and from THIS other Progenitor we can Evolve a Story beyond Eggs that Carry a Face Hugger that lead to a Invasive Space Bug Killing Machine.

Looking at the Set Up (Prometheus) it would seem the Xenomorph was considered only a SMALL Part of the Engineers, and so the Franchise would have led to a Spin-Off and Steer Away from the Xenomorph.

Now we are on a Path to Steer Towards the Xenomorph on LV-426 i think the Choices they made have proved to be a BANE to the Prequels..(The Creator of the Iconic Beast). 

I will say it again i think the WHOLE Plot of the Engineers/Prometheus was maybe TOO Bold, and in Hindsight maybe they should have had it that the Xenomorph was some Native Horror that the Space Jockey had either attempted to take to Study (for their Bio-Weapons Division, or was Taking them to be used on some FOE and we know how either Scenario Ended.

For me i think there was more to it than that by Virtue of HOW the Derelict and Eggs seemed to be Aesthetically Connected, and i FEEL that they should have looked at what HR Giger thought about the WHOLE situation and Merge his Thoughts with some of the Starbreast Plot..

But ALAS!

Thanks all! :)

Thanks! :)

@BigDave

I think you should understand two things:
1) The film is not about xenomorph - doesn't mean the absence of xenomorph or its evolution. This means that something else will be put at the forefront. The covenant, too, was not about xenomorph.

2) Let's look at things real and be honest. This is not about the plot. The probability of getting 2 more prequels, I'm not talking about 5-6 - is simply unrealistic. As Miss Vickers would say: "if it were your money". If Ridley funded the prequels from his wallet - I'm sure the studio would have agreed. But why would the studio give money for projects that are not profitable?

I hope that Ridley understands this and instead of the next half-word, the next intermediate part and a new start, he will complete all the storylines that he started.

Of course, we can dream of a whole epic from Ridley, why not? But I also dream of a new director who will give the franchise a new breath. And he will do this without sending good scripts to the bin and introducing strange metaphors instead, and also without a greedy desire to catch the viewer on the hook with questions that have no answers and try to milk for decades.

it dawned on me. Maybe david has not been turned off. You can see that
David was damaged in the back by Walter and could not move. He could
convince Walter to his side and also gave him the access code to David
and gave him embryos. David continued his experiments. Maybe he didn't
fly at Origae 6, he just told the company. Maybe the engineers
returned to planet 4, saw what David did, took the eggs on the
croissant and decided to lay them on LV 426 in a safe place. Or the
eggs were not the only face hunters got onto the ship. Space Jockey
could have been a very old engineer, a few who survived the race. He
was very old, he had no legs anymore, so he had to exist glued to the
chair and be a biomechanical being. When traveling to LV426 or to
Earth, we do not know whether it was enough for him to kill David or
revenge on humanity, david also cared about it, so they could come to
a covenant and bring eggs or pathogen to the ground together, but on
board was a hunter of the face, attacked the old an engineer, he
defended himself, killed himself and acid blood gnawed the deck up to
the hold. The second hunter of the face impregnated Jockey and the
queen was born from her breast, who laid eggs in the hold. Space
jockey died but before that he managed to sound the warning signal.
David escaped, and decided to send a signal to the Yutani company that
he found an interesting life form. It could also be that David or
Walter somehow hacked the computer system and adnroids. He unpacked
Asch and told him to bring an alien to the ground.

I like it! The carapace and mouth sans inner mouth looks much better than the bobble headed/no mouth Neomorph. Nice work!

Also having trouble envisioning a return to a forested planet like Origae 6....Back to back movies with the exact same planet? Would just seem odd.

Maybe have some nearby gas giant in the sky or the star creates a different sky. Still.....Planet 4 and Origae 6 sound the same?

 "Queen Burst Out.."

Still wondering what RS's view is on the queen?

"....the Sequel would STILL had been more about David.."

I think David is very easy to write for?..he wants to visit alien graveyards, wants to create space monsters.

Humans? (Ripley, et al.) You have to conjure up a cliche reason they are continually walking into the monsters house.

Why did Ripley return to LV-426? The story demanded it! The David character has no such problem?...the audience would buy into just about anything.

Ridley Scott seemed to imply that David had killed Walter and taken his Clothes and then Cut his Hand Off...

This is how i saw it too....

I will add though that i expect that David would Transfer Himself into a Walter Body on the Covenant (surely they have Spare Parts) or at Least we see David would be able to attach a Walter Hand to his own Body.

It is likely that Walters Body is on Planet 4 and that THIS is the way the Engineers would Discover where the Covenant Ship is heading.

But we cant 100% Rule out that David is on Planet 4 and we have a Walter with Davids Soul on the Covenant, we then in effect have TWO Davids ;)

I had discussed this Alternative Idea a few Years ago but i had today put it in Reply to Thoughts_Dreams Comment on another Topic.

"Instead of David returning to LV426 or LV223...How about he starts finding derelict Juggernauts on his way to Origae?"

I think Discovering a Floating Engineer Ship would work as a Avenue to make another ALIEN movie... it beats going back over and over to the Derelict ;)

Regarding the Covenant becoming some kind of Alien Hive that could be a Potential i had discussed a PLOT like this Years Ago, where David had Conducted Experiments and they GOT out of Hand and he Quarantined Parts of the Ship before he was Attacked and Disabled...

Years pass by and the Covenant arrives in the Orbit of Origae-6 and the Covenant Begins to Open up some of the Colonist Cryo-Pods... the Few Colonist awaken and discover the Ship is Lockdown and Override Controls to OPEN up to the Quarantined Parts of the Ship where they Discover a Hive Nest and then the £"%^ Hits the Fan

They Discover Walter and he gets them to Repair him, unaware he is David and he Helps them to Gain Control and they together discover either Daniels or someone else, that David then Rescues and the Survivors then Escape in the Loader while the Covenant is Destroyed.

The Lander gets down to Origae-6

The Survivors stumble out to the Surface and Admire the Paradise they were meant to Colonize, Short in Numbers, Walter (David) tells them that they can Re-build, and they have a Advantage over Cave Men in that they have Knowledge.

David tells them that he will Quarantine Daniels for 48 Hours on the Lander, while the Colonist begin to Set-Up Tents as they will start to Plan how to Start from Scratch with Limited Tools.

Daniels awakens and sees David and he says Welcome Home Danny, i told you we will Find Paradise, she looks out to the Surface of Origae-6 and she Screams... this Alerts a Colonist who goes to inspect and asks Walter whats up, Daniels Screams its NOT Walter... David goes after the Colonist and kills him, then goes to Daniels and says it wont be Long Now, my Queen...

Then other Colonist turn up and Manage to KILL David..

We end up with some of the Survivors Comforting Daniels.. before she STARTS to go into Shock..... she then Chest Bursts and we see a Queen Burst Out..

The Credits Roll!

This was a Alternative Sequel idea i Proposed a Few Years back for those who would NOT like to go to Origae-6 and see what kind of a World that David would Create.

"Instead of David returning to LV426 or LV223...How about he starts finding derelict Juggernauts on his way to Origae?"

With Respect the OT was to ask for what other Purpose could the Eggs or their Origins have apart from being either the Remnants of a Species of Space Ants or a Engineered Bio-weapon to KILL.

so your reply is maybe more fitting for the Threads about WHERE we could go Next in the Franchise ;)

But i dont mind Discussing such things on here ;)

I think Discovering a Floating Engineer Ship would work as a Avenue to make another ALIEN movie... it beats going back over and over to the Derelict ;)

Regarding the Covenant becoming some kind of Alien Hive that could be a Potential i had discussed a PLOT like this Years Ago, where David had Conducted Experiments and they GOT out of Hand and he Quarantined Parts of the Ship before he was Attacked and Disabled...

Years pass by and the Covenant arrives in the Orbit of Origae-6 and the Covenant Begins to Open up some of the Colonist Cryo-Pods... the Few Colonist awaken and discover the Ship is Lockdown and Override Controls to OPEN up to the Quarantined Parts of the Ship where they Discover a Hive Nest and then the £"%^ Hits the Fan

They Discover Walter and he gets them to Repair him, unaware he is David and he Helps them to Gain Control and they together discover either Daniels or someone else, that David then Rescues and the Survivors then Escape in the Loader while the Covenant is Destroyed.

The Lander gets down to Origae-6

The Survivors stumble out to the Surface and Admire the Paradise they were meant to Colonize, Short in Numbers, Walter (David) tells them that they can Re-build, and they have a Advantage over Cave Men in that they have Knowledge.

David tells them that he will Quarantine Daniels for 48 Hours on the Lander, while the Colonist begin to Set-Up Tents as they will start to Plan how to Start from Scratch with Limited Tools.

Daniels awakens and sees David and he says Welcome Home Danny, i told you we will Find Paradise, she looks out to the Surface of Origae-6 and she Screams... this Alerts a Colonist who goes to inspect and asks Walter whats up, Daniels Screams its NOT Walter... David goes after the Colonist and kills him, then goes to Daniels and says it wont be Long Now, my Queen...

Then other Colonist turn up and Manage to KILL David..

We end up with some of the Survivors Comforting Daniels.. before she STARTS to go into Shock..... she then Chest Bursts and we see a Queen Burst Out..

The Credits Roll!

This was a Alternative Sequel idea i Proposed a Few Years back for those who would NOT like to go to Origae-6 and see what kind of a World that David would Create.

"David said he had one more thing to perfect, his queen"

Absolutely when you Consider that RS also said the NEXT Movie would NOT be about the Xenomorphs then its a Puzzle.  I think some Fans will expect that we would be going to the Creation of a QUEEN.. but i feel they would be Disappointed... I dont think RS was going to give us the Traditional Queen.   I would not be surprised if he would have Re-Visited the Egg Morph.  He had said a few times that you can go back to the Xenomorph but you have to Explore other ways of Procreation.

I think we have to look at HOW those Eggs on Planet 4 came to be and the Indication is Engineered from Dr Shaws very own Reproductive System.... Dr Shaw was in essence his FIRST QUEEN.

We see in AC that David seemed Upset at Oram for Killing the Neomorph, as David was attempting to Communicate with the Neomorph, we can Safely Assume that this is NOT the First Time that he had encountered Similar.

But the Neomorph was NOT his Creation it came from the Black Goo, we see that David had spent Years trying to Perfect a Creation of his Own, and so he would feel very proud of his Accomplishment.  He had proven to himself he could Surpass the Engineers in Creating a Monster.

But it seems he would likely want to find a way that he could Procreate his Creation more Efficient than what ever he had done with Dr Shaw.

As for how the Eggs go to the Derelict... maybe if you are a Synthetic or a Suited Engineer then you could Transport them but it seems a Painstaking Long Task. One that is NOT really Fail Safe as the Space Jockey Discovered.

So maybe the Eggs are Grown?  We see in AC some Small Eggs.  Maybe the Concepts from 2014 can give us some Insight?

"I thought the eggs were on board the derelict because there weren't enough money to make the pyramid from the original script"

Certainly a lot had Changed from Inception.

The Starbeast Idea was indeed that the World the Eggs/Spores were found on, was ONCE part of a Lost Civilization of Alien Beings, the Pyramid was their Birthing Temple, a Nursery of Sorts.

There was NO real Space Jockey as per say, what there was is some Giant Alien Species had Discovered this World and out of Curiosity had Wondered to the Temple to Collect the Eggs/Spores to Study.... before they became Infected and Died but ONE of them Managed to set of a WARNING to STAY AWAY...

This kind of PLOT could be Explored as far as the Origin of the Engineers Experiments as in they had Discovered the Starbeast and they saw Potential in trying to USE the Eggs/Spores.

What happened with ALIEN was the Space Jockey was born as a Race that are Connected to the Eggs, and a Indication they would use these Eggs as a Bio-Weapon... at this point we could Conclude that either.

1) The Space Jockey Race had Discovered the Eggs and saw the Potential to use them for KILLING OFF other Species they saw as a Threat or Wanted to Eradicate.

2) The Space Jockey Race had Engineered/Created the Eggs for same Purpose as (1) to KILL.

What we do see is a Aesthetic that is Shared between the Ship and Xenomorph, the Space Jockey to a degree also.. so this could then give us a Option (3)

3) The Space Jockey are Enslaved to Carry the Xenomorph Eggs around to Worlds to allow the Xenomorph to Procreate around the Galaxy.... what Benefit does the Space Jockey have in this?

The Problem is that RS sees the Eggs as a Biological Weapon that was USED by the Space Jockey and so he saw the Space Jockey as being the Hierarchy of that Pecking Order the Xenomorph is merely a Tool of Destruction.

This is off course prior to the PREQUELS...

With the Prequels they could have had it that Option 3 was what the Engineers Ancestors Roles was before they Rebelled and Defeated their Masters and then set out to use the Masters Technology and Knowledge to their Own Gain and Experiments.

The Prequels began and instead introduced us to the GOO (Nano Scarabs in early Drafts) a Creation Tool and so if we tried to Connect the Xenomorph at this point we was left with these Options.

a) The Engineers used their Creation Tool to Experiment and Eventually Create many Horrors that the Xenomorph became ONE of these (whether by Design or Unintentional).

b) The Engineers came across a Organism that is Connected to the Xenomorph, and they used their Creation Tools to Re-Engineer Horrors from this of which the Xenomorph was a Eventual Outcome.

^^^This seems to be what Alien Engineers had shown.

c) The Engineers came across the Xenomorph and they had Experimented on them to Create the Horrors on LV-223 and maybe the GOO..

^^^This Option seemed Less Likely but seemed to be what a lot of Fans Wanted... RS had confirmed at this point the Xenomorph would have been via similar to Option a/b.

At this point we have to ASK what was the Eggs for and the Answer would seem they are either just the Starting Stage/Deployment of their Bio-Weapon or a Unintended Evolution of their Bio-Weapon.

The Ambiguity of Prometheus however allows us to Speculate if there was MORE to it than just to Engineer a Weapon for the Engineers, Certainly those Engineers on LV-223 had at some point become Interested in WHAT the Genetics of the Organisms they Experimented with HAD.... but this is a bit of a RABBIT HOLE. But one that maybe Mimics what David had done... with AC maybe they just Changed the Same Concept from Genetically Engineered Engineers to Synthetically Engineered David... but the Process/Reasons could be the Same.

By that maybe the intended LV-223 Engineers Agenda/Plot was just Passed onto to become Davids Agenda/Plot.

What i was proposing was to EXPAND and Deepen a Reason for the Engineers to be Messing About with what they was doing on LV-223 as purely for a Race of Creators who then Wanted a Reset Switch and Pest Control when a Creation gets out of hand..

Then BOMBING a World with Sacrificial Goo is all they would need... PERFECT Tool to Reset a World and KILL OFF the Inhabitants....

In that Context there was Little Point in the Horrors they Created on LV-223 or the Xenomorph... unless those who Dabbled in this had another Agenda and a Sadistic Mindset! 

Which with David we can see how this makes Sense...

But i think we should look Beyond this and look at WHY would Engineers experiment with something that Predates the Xenomorph, that eventually we see in AR had allowed for Ripley to be Reincarnated in Effect in Ripley 8.

Such a idea i propose does FIT with the Alien 01 Master Narrative Plot of the Engineers not being Content with Living for Thousands and Thousands of Years, they wanted to Transcend their Soul!  something which is touched upon in the David/Weyland Prologue when Weyland goes on about all the Achievements, Things you own/create are NOTHING if you cant LIVE or Appreciate them for ETERNITY.

With some Franchises you can Churn Out Sequels because you can introduce New Characters/Hero's this applies with the DC and Marvel Universes, with other Franchises like Star Wars and Star Trek their is the Scope to keep Expanding due to the Various Races and Size of the Galaxy that the Franchise Occupies.

Back to the ALIEN Franchise, then RS had said that he felt the Franchise had the Potential to be like a Star Wars and Star Trek, a Very BOLD Statement.... This would actually be UNLIKELY if we stuck to Earth/Humans and the Weyland-Yutani Company and Xenomorph Eggs.

which is where the Vision he had for the Prequels via the Introduction of the Engineers would have OPENED up many Possibilities... but again CHANGE is something that some Fans are not Happy with.

In the Fans defense there was something Special About the Cosmic Horror that was the ALIEN Franchise that maybe STICKING to what we got works...  but then your Limited to HOW MANY times you can Repeat the Plot of the Quadrilogy Over and Over before you RUN OUT of Ideas.

This is where EXPANDING on who the Space Jockey could have Broadened the Franchise, the Creator Angle does this but at a Cost that Humanoids from Space is maybe NOT as ALIEN as the Franchise Deserved.

while this TOPIC was about Movie Ideas in General.. i am merely saying that some Franchises have a Advantage in how they can Churn out Movie after Movie that can Differ quite a bit between them.

Sometimes you get a Unique Idea something Fresh that then is BEST to be kept to a Stand Alone or a Run of a Few Movies.  Maybe in Hindsight the Quadilogy should have been LEFT as it was and what preceded a MYSTERY.

David overpowered Walter and took over his body. he transported his soul to Walter and fled with him. and left his old body or duplicated that there are two David's and Walter's software has replaced his or simply turned it off. he had the same wounds on his face as Walter and a severed hand. he had to somehow take over his body and everyone on the ship thought it was Walter. took Walter's body because it was perfected. I wonder what about David who was on the planet 4. turned off or there will be two of them and they will create stories together.

It's true that there are too many sequels out there in theaters- but the paying audience seems to love them too, so there you go. Streaming services have made serious inroads. There are very good series and one offs out there. It seems this is where one has to go to find decent original content. The theater experience seems to be where a lot of sequels are and they will likely continue as long as they make enough for the bean counters.

.Thoughts_Dreams, you forgot to mention Avatar.

Those films have their fans in large supply and it seems they are easier to please, because of their age  they have to be accompanied at the theaters, so the studios smelled the easy money.

Otherwise, we are no so different, we do ask for more sequels, prequels, even tv series, except we are difficult to please and overly pretentious and quick to criticize.

It's hard to make us all happy, it takes time. And it takes a director with a vision and little concern for what the fans want, to deliver something original.

Instead of David returning to LV426 or LV223...How about he starts finding derelict Juggernauts on his way to Origae?

He locates wrecked juggernauts(and other Engineers type starships)orbiting gas giants or the stars .....Boarding them, he finds more burst Space Jockeys, the cryo chambers store Engineers that have also been burst.

Many of the derelicts have ampules that David retrieves.

They also have different types of ovomorphs....4 chamber ones, .......Ones that contain a dozen facehuggers!

He takes them back to the Covenant.(to test them on the crew)

He also finds flatish ovomorphs ...that when disturbed...Spew thousands of spider like insects, they swarm him...He casually removes them from around his eyes, not wishing to harm the little babies....he lets many of them remain clinging to his 'skin' as he returns them to the Covenant, he returns with a empty space suit to collect the rest of the spiders.

David fills Daniels cryochamber with the spiders and wakes her..that'd be fun!

Or have David discover the spiders excrete a polymer and they are soon transforming the interior of the Covenant to something similar to a Juggernauts. 

Also many of the ovomorphs he finds are fossilized(no longer living/active)

chli, thanks for mentioning Félicette. I pasted below some info from Wikipedia, Félicette was not as lucky as Jonesy:

"Félicette was the first cat launched into space, on 18 October 1963 as part of the France space program. Félicette was one of 14 female cats trained for spaceflight. The cats had electrodes implanted onto their skulls so their neurological activity could be monitored throughout the flight. Electrical impulses were applied to the brain and a leg during the flight to stimulate responses. The capsule was recovered 13 minutes after the rocket was ignited. Most of the data from the mission was of good quality, and Félicette survived the flight, the only cat to have survived spaceflight. A second feline was launched on 24 October, but the mission resulted in a fatality.

Félicette was euthanized two months after the launch so that scientists could perform a necropsy to examine her brain."

RIP Félicette.

I thought the eggs were on board the derelict because there weren't enough money to make the pyramid from the original script. There was also the theory that the ship was producing the eggs (the egg sylo by Giger).

Now, after the prequels, it seems impossible to go back to the original ideas, since the eggs have been replaced by black goo urns and David had nothing better to do while marooned on planet 4 than to experiment on the local fauna until he created the xenomorph. So we should ask David what's the purpose of eggs, other than for his sadistic amusement. I think the engineers have no part in this.

What was the purpose of the vehicle and what was the purpose of the eggs? That’s the thing to question — who, why, and for what purpose is the next idea, I think.

I would also ask, how did the eggs got on board? I have difficulties imagining somebody carrying them one by one, so there must have been a queen on board. David said he had one more thing to perfect, his queen. Let's say he succeded, but how did the queen ended up on a Juggernaut? And who is the Space Jockey? 

If whoever will direct the next alien film wants to forget that David created the xenomorph, the easiest way would be to show the Deacon from Prometheus evolve into a queen, laying eggs on a Juggernaut from LV223, then the last surviving engineer taking off to find David and Shaw, unaware of the deadly cargo that eventually would lead to the crash landing on LV426.

I have missed some Replies on here, i think i will PASS on replying to them (as the comments i would like to reply to are by Posters who MAY-NOT be back to respond).

So i will reply to you Michart

First Welcome aboard ;)

Those Engineers do look more like a Hybrid of Human and Engineers, you could be Mistaken to think they had taken Humans to Interbreed with, that Certainly would FIT.  As would if the Engineers could not PROCREATE and so our Creation/Evolution was to allow them to be able to Procreate again (if they Ran out of Females).

What it could be is that the Prometheus Engineers are to those Planet 4 Engineers as the Replicants in Blade Runner are to Humans ;)

Regarding the Black Goo... well with the Revelation its a Form of Radical A.I it becomes a McGuffin that can be MOLDED to do what ever they see FIT for a Plot Convenience.

It could be the Ship did something to those URNS that would Cause a Different Reaction to the Pathogen... Think of this like the Arming and Activation of a Atomic Bomb!

Where as the Fallen/Leaked Urns on the Crashed Ship, and those in Prometheus are like a Nuclear Weapon in Storage that Suffers a Radioactive Leak!

I think the Prometheus connections are Multiple, such as other Mythos that is Connected to the Movie.

Overall the Context of a Prometheus, such as a Satan or God is to NOT be placed down to a Single Entity as with the actual Mythos/Religion but it maybe is to Connect to a Group.

It was kept Very Ambiguous as to HOW the Mythos could Connect, but the MAIN ELEMENT at Play is Forbidden Knowledge and HOW it is that Knowledge is a Powerful Tool.

The other MAIN ASPECT is about Going against the Wishes/Intentions of the Hierarchy/Leader/Gods and the Fear they have about Losing Control and the Punishment they are willing to INFLICT to Maintain this Control or upon those who have BROKEN the Rules.

To TRY and Connect HOW/WHO is the Figure of Prometheus in the Franchise is Tricky as with the Ambiguity we could look at many Possible Explanations.

The Closest Indication we have is RS saying the Big Head Statue is Prometheus.  But is this in Context to a Single Engineer, is it the Engineers in General or a Faction?

Yep Original Ideas seem in Short Supply ;)

You get the ODD decent Movie that offers a Different take on something, but to TRULY find something thats NEVER been done before is Unfortunately RARE

Sometimes Churning Out sequel, after Sequel is what Makes Money, sometimes Fans do-not like Change too Much!  Once we have Done that Over and Over...  If its not Broke dont Fix It just COOK IT!

A lot of stuff is done for Nostalgia, and sometimes it works but sometimes for some Fans they dont like people MESSING with their Beloved Franchises.

When they cant figure out a Sequel they sometimes go the whole Reboot where again Nostalgia sometimes SETS them up for a FAIL.. despite how NOT BAD the Reboot may be, its always going to be Compared to the LOVED Original and Destined to Fail!

Do you do a Sequel and Carbon Copy the previous Movies.. i mean how many more Times we gonna get to see Jason Voorhees before he is any Different, and will he EVER be as Scary as the First Few Times we saw HIM?

You could try and Change his Story a Bit... but then some Fans will not be HAPPY...

Take Nightmare on Elm Street 2010 i never thought it was that Bad... it tried to be a bit more Darker and Serious with the Background Plot... kinda like the Dark Knight Series of Batman compared to the more COMIC BOOK Franchise of the 90's

Was it really as Bad as some of the Later Freddy Movies?

The Robocop Reboot likewise... it was not as Good as the First, but it was on Par with Robocop 2 and lets not talk about the REST lol

So to Continue with Franchises you have to be Careful, you do Risk the Chance of More Harm than Good.. (The Predator)

when Faced with some Franchises that have NOT been MILKED you Face some Tough Choices... lets take BACK TO THE FUTURE for a Example.

*Do you leave it as it was... where NO HARM can come to it or do you MILK it and Run the Risk of Damaging the Original or making a New Series thats a JOKE!

Your then left with the Following.

1) Make a Sequel... but some Nostalgic Fans would expect Marty McFly if you made a New Franchise that does-not connect with Doc Brown or Marty then some Fans would be PISSED OFF... for Instance if some Unconnected Guy ends up Rescuing the Delorean from the Scrap Yard.

It would work better if some Family Member inherits the Car, and we have a Cameo from Marty McFly (like Pass the Torch/Keys).  But you are always going to have to Compete with the Original Movie and when the Torch is Passed would Fans be Interested in BTF Pt5, Pt6 etc.?

2) Make a Reboot!  Now this would be much HARDER to Pull Off, as the Nostalgia Brigade would be out in Force... and well it would take something SPECIAL to Replace the Originals and so this Option is BOUND to Failure.

Sometimes a Sequel and Reboot can Work However...

The Newer Planet of the Apes series is a TESTAMENT to getting it RIGHT.

I would ASSUME if we went back to 2013 and they Decided you know what we DONT need to Answer LV-426, we DONT need to show the Xenomorph, lets keep the MYSTERY.

Then i would Suspect that the Sequel would STILL had been more about David i would still think by the climax of a Sequel that Dr Shaw would have been Curtains.. either by Self Sacrifice, at the Hands of the Engineers (in which Case David would seek Revenge) or David would become the Antagonist and be responsible for Dr Shaws Death.

I think we would have go more Answers about LV-223 that could make us Conclude more about LV-426, as well as more insight to the Engineers, i dont think Dr Shaw would have got the Answers she Hoped for...  and that David would have Unleashed/Created HELL!   its a Question of would this had been as a Savior or a Slayer.  It is likely he would have still eventually wanted to become a King/God.

I think Fans would have rather seen Prometheus 2 go Steer Away from giving us Xenomorphs and Answers to LV-426 as intended than to U-Turn with a Plot and Set-Up that the Path to the Xenomorph on LV-426 is via the Hands of David.

Quite a Pickle we Find ourselves in now.

"Yes, before the Covenant, this was never the story about David"

I would say they was BOTH going to be on a Journey, it appeared that RS interest was about David... There is a lot of Philosophy at Play and it seemed at the time (Prometheus) they felt  that there are more Important things to Expand on than to give us Xenomorphs and LV-426 Answers as these after-all would just have been that the Xenomorph Eggs on LV-426 are either.

*Merely One of a Number of Horrors Created on LV-223 to be used as PEST CONTROL

*They are a Unintended Result of a contamination of their PESTICIDE.

The Xenomorph being No More to the Engineers as say a Predator Drone is to the US Military.  Or so it seems, as it does look like those Engineers did take some PRIDE in what they Created. 

The Prequel Expansion seemed to be more about Themes like Creation, and to Sub-Create, and then what Effect that Free-Will and Knowledge has on a Creation as far as Control and seeing their Creator as Superior/The Boss!  It was about How Playing God and messing with Stuff can lead to Trouble.  A Tale of Hubris on Multiple Layers.

They all Connect down the Ladder to David as a Sub-Creation who is Superior to his Creators, who is Given Free-will and so can gain Knowledge, who becomes Rebellious and feels he is Mistreated and Not Respected as a Superior Being... who then One Day discovers his own Creators Creator... The Engineers and sees them as Not Much different to Humans, they are Separated only by Eons of Passed down Knowledge, Technology and Tools...    MORTAL AFTER ALL... 

And so with David giving the keys to the Engineers Tool-Shed, he could then become a Creator in his own Right, there is MUCH more to it than that.

But ALAS.. it puts the Emphasis on David too much where a lot of people just see him as a Robot and Not a Main Character.

The Plot is Bold... its Thought Provoking, it does touch on a bit of Blade Runner and Space 2001 but when the ALIEN Franchise came to a PAUSE... i am sure these are NOT the Things that Most Fans would have expected a Prequel to Prioritize on.

In Hindsight maybe such a PLOT should have been a Stand Alone Franchise, inc the Engineers, we just Change the Aesthetic of their Ships/Suits, Change the Weyland Company and it could have been its OWN kind of Franchise.

When Fans back say prior to 2000 thought about the Derelict and the Eggs Origins i dont think many would have even Conceived a Direction of the Prequels.

They would have Expected the Space Jockey to be more ALIEN, and to not be Super Humans who where FOOLS or that a Synthetic Android with Daddy Issues and a Dislike for Humans would be in effect DESTROYING the Space Jockey and then taking their Horrific Creation Tool to go and play Doctor Moreau/Frankenstien and Create the Iconic Monster.

It's all about the money. Big studios play safe, and you can't get safer than another instalment of Avengers. Whatever they dream up for the next Alien movie, it will be with popcorn in mind, and it won't be too challenging for the audience. Think that studio interference on Alien 3 was bad? You ain't seen nothin' yet.