Comments (Page 227)

I think the "i will do the same to you" can be ambiguous.

What had David done to Dr Shaw?   Experimented on her to Create his Monsters...

But then we see him try and KISS Daniels... we could certainly assume that David had Grown Feelings for Dr Shaw and became Deluded that he could have some Relationship with her...   so he maybe made some Advances to her and she FREAKED out.... became concerned...

David does-not take Rejection well... its likely that Dr Shaw also Discovers what David had done to Planet 4 and the Engineers and the Experiments, and then David likely gave some Excuse and Reason, saying he was doing it for HER and offer her a chance to Create a New Eden... could he have said he could find a way to allow her to BARE Child?

So again she maybe Rejected this too, and then realized David has gone Crazy, and so then tries to Escape, which then David takes as Dr Shaw being the same as every other Human, and then WELL.... this is when he decides he has OTHER plans for her.

You have to Wonder.... if Dr Shaw had also gained more than Platonic Love for David... and she had welcomed him Destroying those Engineers who wanted to Destroy Mankind, and then using Experiments and Engineer DNA he could allow Dr Shaw to give Birth to Humanoids and Start a New Eden.

Then would David had turned out the way he had?

Why i am drawn from RS comments, that maybe David would see Origae-6 as a way to Start a New Civilization, that he will intend for those Innocent/Pure Embryos which he may Evolve/Perfect as his own Humanity and Govern over with some kind of Love/Care....

Until some Humans arrive and David's Children then wonder what they are seeing, and they become Corrupt with knowledge the Humans hand down and Discover David is NO GOD, and then maybe the Discover other Truths about David and then the £$"£% Hits the Fan and David has to UNLEASH his Horrors (Xenomorph) on this World!

I have a feeling that Raised by Wolves may carry a lot of ideas that RS may have intended for Alien Covenant 2 the kind of TV show that would be, i feel would not be Accepted in a Alien Movie for a lot of Fans..

Many are plain and simply Fed up with the whole David ARC and it being about him.

I think indeed a lot does go by the Trailers, and a Trailer can have a Impact.... most Trailers and Especially for the Alien Franchise do-not really seem to show SILLY Characters.

Prometheus and Alien Covenants Trailers do-not show that the Movie has Dumb or Boring Characters, Alien Resurrection Trailer seems to indicate more Dumb Movie in regards to Trailer.  I would Say ALIENS Trailer shows more Dumb/Goofy things.... than the Prequel Trailers. Not saying there is a lot though...

Quite a bit of this... WOOOO WHOOOO! HORAH!

When i say SOME PEOPLE it is a Valid Point, because you are just NOT going to make a Alien Movie that will please every kind of Alien Fan....  its Very Naive to think eveyone would say be Amazed at a Blomkamp Alien 3 Reboot, and by the same Token not every Fan will like a Alien Covenant 2 if its more about David and less Xenomorph... 

As i said its not easy to try and make more than  ONE more Prequel to ALIEN...  by Virtue of a Prequel then its expected we are going to see Xenomorphs, Engineers and their Ships and HOW/WHEN those Eggs get on the Derelict...while a lot of Fans will HOPE its not about David or that he is responsible.

So the PLOT Elements are not going to please every FAN!

Regardless... you HAVE to have Human Characters and they have to be Well Written and Executed or else any kind of Alien Movie would just not be a Success!

BigDave you are correct he is not just a Genocidal maniac, he is also delusional to the highest degree, a rapist (he said that he will do the same thing to Daniels as he did to Shaw after which he sexually assaults her). Why might even be considered a N***. In my mind he is a character from a Hentai.

Space 2001 (2001: A space Odyssey?) or Mountains of Madness (At the Mountains of Madness ?) might be some well know movies but I've never heard about them,

I think there is just as much Love too Lone ;)

One of those things in LIFE, where people tend to Voice what they HATE more than they LIKE.

Like we get Protests when we are not HAPPY.. you dont see people with Banners Standing outside of Governments Praising what Good things are being done... not as much as when something to Complain about we go out in FORCE!

I think RS was right in how to expand the Franchise... because indeed ONCE you Discover HOW/WHEN/WHY the Xenomorph was Created and Give it a Run Out in the Prequels..

Then what do you do?   More Alien Movies with Xenomorphs?  You cant keep doing this...

And so the Space Jockey Race was a NEW area to explore and expand, the PLOT was Bold, maybe Too Bold really.

Maybe some Fans would have liked to see the Space Jockey introduced as a Alien Race who was in a Conflict with another RACE that is FAR FAR away and Unconnected to Mankind, but  its HOW do you introduce Humans into such a PLOT!

Then expanding on Sequels... do we go and see WHO the Space Jockey was at WAR/Conflict with,  Maybe its Predators lol... but then HOW do you introduce Humans?

So they saw the Chariots of the Gods/Ancient Aliens like Plot as way to do this....

A Prometheus Sequel did-not have to give in to be Alien Covenant.... the Engineers Paradise could have been Thousands of Light Years away... and in a Part of the Galaxy with more HUMANS... do we just accept Earth is the ONLY Place where there are Humans?

Spot on Reply Lone ;)

I personally think while David was not best executed in Alien Covenant, i dont think he was that bad... i think you could explore and evolve his Character, have him become more than just a Genocidal Maniac as some only see him as.

I had some ideas on how to do a Alien Covenant 2 and 3, which were Alien: Ascension and Alien: Absolution but both ideas would likely NOT fit in a 2 Hour movie and so would be like 3 Hours Each lol   The idea would not be a very ALIEN movie though, and there would be NO Engineers apart from a Set-Up for the 2nd Movie which then would END with us being at ALIEN

So Alien Ascension would be more about "what David World Creates" and how things go to POT when Humans Arrive, its actually not too FAR off what Ridley Scotts upcoming TV Show Raised by Wolves sounds like only i submitted my ideas MONTHS prior...

Alien Ascension would have some Monsters... would maybe need to be a Part 1 and Part 2 or i have to make a Idea between Ascension and Absolution.

But Fans who dont like say a Mountains of Madness, Prometheus, Blade Runner, Space 2001 etc would likely NOT be interested in such ideas i had... Absolution would be more Action Based and like a AVP (to a degree) with Engineers lol

But i think this is what Ridley Scott Faces too, many Fans and Disney may just want to see a Aliens/Alien Resurrection kind of Flick!  I think the Thought Provoking and Chariots of the Gods like Plot/Ideas are too BOLD for a lot of Fans who are used to what they get in the Comics ;)

Maybe Prometheus should have NOT been a ALIEN movie, by that NO Weyland (replace with different Company and Name for Owner), have the Planet not be a LV world, and the Engineers Ships/Technology not similar to ALIEN as in looking like the Derelict/Space Jockey but they could still have that HR Giger Aesthetic.   And Finally have Monsters that are LESS like the Xenomorph.

Then as a Stand Alone Movie/Franchise thats NOT shackled down to be ALIEN, i think Prometheus could have been a Interesting Franchise.

"Not necessary. Engineers can attack Earth between Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection."

I agree, my point being that it would be a case of WHEN would they attack and WHY would they wait all that long?

If the Engineers come back say between 2105-2120 they would be very concerned with HOW it is that Humans can Travel the Stars and Create Beings that can use their Technology...  as a Race who maybe interact with Hundreds of Worlds/Races or even if its less or more... then Earth is just ONE World, so they could be Concerned and they would likely want to go to Earth and DESTROY US... unless NONE survive the Encounter with David and the Horrors that come from his Experiments.

If the Engineers are FAR spread across the Galaxy, then maybe only a Few Ships arrive back at Planet 4 and they go off after David and NONE Survive...   That does-not mean that Hundreds of Years latter some more Return to Planet 4 and Discover a message left from the Previous Ships that arrived between 2110-2120 say... and then these recently arriving Engineers say in 2220-2330 then go off to Earth etc.

So YES that could introduce them back into the Franchise between Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection.

BigDave

Fans, random people - doesn't matter. People see the trailer, people see a dumb characters (again, btw), people don't go to the film.

Writing. Work on "some fans" or even "some people" - this is Sisyphean toil. But writing good characters with smart behavior - instant win. And film theme doesn't matter - aliens, Engineers, David.

"Oh c'mon! You really don't understand?"

What is there NOT to understand?  Your point is Valid, in that regardless of ideas, you need someone to WRITE a Solid Story then the right Director and Actor to Execute the Story.  Sometimes a Character is only as Good as they are Written and how they are Influenced to Perform that Character by the Director....  Prometheus was flawed, it had some silly moments...  Alien Covenant not so, but the Characters where FLAT!  Looking at John Logan i dont have much Confidence in his approach, it seems he is maybe not suited to this kind of Franchise.

But back to your reply, Certainly Good Characters and Good Directing is required, Visually Ridley Scott is Exceptional (few Flaws) but sometimes he is Maybe not the Best at getting Characters to Shine. (apart from a few) I dont think he is as bad as some make out though.

And so even if we had a Gangbusters Alien 5 lets Reboot Alien 3 Plot.... or even a like the Many Aliens Comics like Plot, if these also DONT get Good Characters that are Executed then what you have is basically no more better than the Starship Trooper Sequels with Xenomorphs!

"I know - we all want Blomkamp's Alien 5."

Depends on WHO we are... those who maybe like the Action of AVP and Alien Resurrection and Love it in Aliens would maybe be all up for this... but NOT every Fan is excited about a Discover Egg/Eggs/Queen, lots of Chest Busting, lots of running and shooting at Xenomorphs kind of Movie.

Some will like such a thing and i think there is a Market for such and i feel that YES you could do this 1-2 more times before you also have to have something different... 3 Alien Movies that are like Aliens is not gonna work... 3 Alien Movies that are like Alien 3 are not going to work, you have to have a Balance, so a Action Movie, then a Horror One and then one thats like a Cross Between a Prometheus/Alien Resurrection in terms of Plot/Style would work.

Some Fans would not be interested in seeing a Bring Back Ripley, and maybe Fans have to accept in Alien 3 people Died, like some Fans have to accept that from Aliens on-wards Eggs come from Queens.  So some Fans would not like to see a Alien 3 get Rebooted.... like i am sure some Fans would HATE it if say AC was a HIT and eventually we Rebooted Aliens and the Queen!

Whats done has been done.....

But some Fans would love to see a Aliens 2, Aliens 3 and Aliens 4 which by then we have a 80+ year Old Ripley who then either needs the Exo-Suit that Peter Weyland used in Prometheus.

Like this...

Or she permanently is attached to this.

On a serious note....

I would welcome another Alien Movie by Blomkamp and Cameron that uses some of their ideas, that is more Action, but that DOES-NOT resurrect Dead Characters or Conflict prior Movies!

I'd watch Fassbender in anything, he's an amazing actor. He's the best part of this series imo. 

Who here could have predicted the amount of hatred Ridley's return to the ALIEN Universe has generated?

That hatred not only directed at Prometheus & Covenant, but towards Ridley himself. It's heartbreaking!

For those of us who appreciate the vision of H.R. Giger & ALIEN's Lovecraftian themes, COVENANT was a turnaround of sorts. 

While it's another fine example of Ridley's visual skills & a showcase for Michael Fassbender's talent, it's backtracking from the story set up by PROMETHEUS, mish-mash of ideas, not-so-subtle Alien Universe tropes, alongside the pretty heavy handed expansion of David's character, left it muddled & for the most part confusing & unsatisfactory as a follow up.

Ridley had the right idea when he made PROMETHEUS. It shifted the emphasis towards something new, while  respecting & connecting to Lovecraftian themes, Dan O'Bannon's ideas & H.R. Giger's artwork. It was a beginning, which is why those elements were tempered, but could have developed & gone further towards the cosmic horror created in ALIEN with each sequel. 

I feel it was brave, sophisticated & polished. Sadly, some of the backlash created by PROMETHEUS caused the studio & perhaps Ridley himself to get cold feet. That's why we ended up with COVENANT rather than the originally intended sequel.

FOX were afraid of pursuing the story Ridley intended. I doubt that Disney will feel any differently. The themes & story beats explored & opened up in ALIEN & PROMETHEUS are not for the average cinema goer. 

IF the Engineers arrive at Origae-6 and deal with David, then unless they are Destroyed you would assume the Engineers may want to pay Mankind a Visit which could CONFLICT with the Alien Franchise.

Not necessary. Engineers can attack Earth between Alien 3 and Alien Resurection. First squad of Engineers go to Origae-6 and give to us the Alien prequel. But second squad (or all they civilization) can go to Earth after some years after Alien 3.

And maybe Planet 4 is the homeworld of Engineers. But they a space race - they can have thousands planets for them civilization. And I mean them - Engineers civilization, not planets for they creatures - it can be millions?

And i think - Engineers can have different scales or nature (biological, biomechanical). Maybe some Engineers really grew from the chair.

BigDave

Oh c'mon! You really don't understand? Philosophy, myths, chariots of the Gods, Alien, Queen - themes doesn't matter. Writing - does. Maybe you mean a philosophy with stupid characters? Ridley's stories incompatible with smart characters? Whatever, I think - Disney go with good and smart characters.

daliens

I know - we all want Blomkamp's Alien 5. I'm sure - Cameron will be a producer, not a director. Blomkamp can do it.

The Queen looks good enough- it's the Gene Simmons tongue creature that ruins it.

I have a feeling whatever happens in theaters will not be a block buster. Fans like us will probably see whatever comes out but it wouldn't be enough if Covenant is an indicator. Some movies just aren't meant to have mass appeal, and it seems the new Godzilla might be experiencing that.

The Alien franchise probably won't make a lot of money and it makes me wonder why it would continue. Big bucks? Probably not. Passion for the franchise, art and all that? Possibly for folks like whom worked on the IGN shorts. 

That might mean a back to basics meat and spuds approach- a haunted house in space but with something fresh- IDK what it would be.

The crappy queen is entirely JC's concept. Also the jumpy xenomorphs species.

Hell, no!

Consider running this through admin maybe? There might be a reason it is difficult. 

Piracy is tight.  It must definitely helps the Giger estate.

Maybe it's my end but it isn't working for me.

Certainly...  but it comes down to what Disney want to do, and if they give us a Blomkamp Style Alien 3 Reboot, we dont have to go and see it or consider it Canon ;)

I think the Prequels need Concluding... if Disney feel that following David is not going to work out, then they could go to LV-223 as surely the Company would send a Mission there after receiving the Advent Video Message off David.

Here they can cater for the Alien/Aliens Fans and even give us a Xenomorph like Beast and Clues that could make Davids Creation of the Xenomorph by no means Certain!

Another Avenue for Blomkamps Ideas would be to have them carried out in a Movie set after ALIENS, but one where they do-not bring back Ripley and Co.... introduce NEW Characters, explore the Xenomorph but also show attempts to Evolve it and Harness it in other ways than just to use as a Weapon via the Eggs.

I saw Potential in David and the Engineers and the Plot of Prometheus, but with Alien Covenant and its Disappointment i have concerns we wont be seeing much of either in context to any Philosophical stuff or Chariots of the Gods/Creators.

Such potential beyond the Usual Alien Franchise Ideas/Tropes.

Where we just see these Xenomorphs unleashed either as a Single Beast that Hunts down Unarmed/Unprepared Humans in Confined Spaces Horror Flick.. Or Multiple Xenomorphs doing battle with Humans with Guns in a Shoot-em-up Flick!

Introduce Engineers in this Kind of Style and would they be much different to HOW the Predators are in the AVP Franchise?  (by that 7-8ft Technically Advanced Species that go around  using their Superior Strength and Technology to KICK Human/Xenomorph ASS!).

Another link. Don't need a password!

https://mega.nz/#!6p1SVSLQ!3rDucwOj3VhL5-Metf-uwCoWG3KOCYDXrgLV904xjCc

The links are available online. They are not my responsibility.

While OT.... and in reply to Dark Nebula as far as Space Jockey.

This would be the Approx Scale Size Difference and Proportions of the Space Jockey vs Engineer.

@DK

This causes a Dilemma.... because some Fans would still expect more Clues to the Xenomorph, and Clues to show that David.... DID-NOT create them!

In Hindsight yes it should have been left a Mystery and Alien Covenant should NOT have happened.

If we had a Return to LV-223 that would indicate the Xenomorph was Ancient and on LV-426 for Thousands of Years, then this would appease some Fans... and then get them to Question so WHAT is exactly David's Creation.

Which we could then leave a Mystery... or it would leave a Alien Covenant Sequel open to then NOT explore the Xenomorph but something different... there would have to maybe be some Dialog about the Xenomorph however..

This could be covered as Follows... in a Conversation between David and another Human...

David walks over to Lieutenant Williams throws water over him... he awakens.

LT Williams

"what have you done to those Colonist"

David

"Done? i have done nothing to the Colonist they are not worthy of my Effort"

LT Williams

"those beings they are barely human anymore, what have you done"

David

"those beings, they are my Children, my Creation, there was potential in the Human Genome, but Mankind are a Flawed Creation, a Imperfection Created by Imperfect Creators, but so much Potential"

LT Williams

"your Children? what happened to the Colony Embryos"

David

"a Embryo is neither a Child or a Person, it is a Stage of Life that is the Beginning, the Begging of Change you can not call a Embryo a Human, but i have taken these Embryos and i have Evolved them, i have Perfected them beyond what Mankind could ever had hoped to Evolve"

LT Williams

"you crazy £$£%$ you cant go playing GOD"

David

"God, this is what you pitiful fools called your Creators, but they are NO Gods, i have surpassed them my Creations are Superior to anything they had ever achieved"

LT Williams

"you are deluded, you wont get away with this"

David

“Nothing is so painful to the human mind as a great and sudden change.” "i am not crazy on the contrary i am a genius, look on my works and do despair"

LT Williams

"there is nothing to despair at your works, i find only pity in what you have attempted to do, create abominations dare you play God"

David

"oh there is despair, A human being in perfection ought always to preserve a calm and peaceful mind and never to allow passion or a transitory desire to disturb his tranquility"  Mankind are wicked and do not deserve the Life you had been granted, i have created a Race that are worthy"

LT Williams

"worthy what makes you deem what is worthy, what you have done is destroyed those Children"

David

"destroyed, i have Evolved them, i have created a World of Peace and Tranquility, embarking on a Civilization that is worthy"

LT Williams

"what Civilization can come from such Cruelty of your experiments"

David

"I do know that for the sympathy of one living being, I would make peace with all. I have love in me the likes of which you can scarcely imagine and rage the likes of which you would not believe. If I cannot satisfy the one, I will indulge the other"

David removes a tarp revealing a Glass Canister inside a Egg

David

"behold my other Creation, I have not only Perfected the Engineers Lamb, i have taken their Wolf and Perfected this too"

LT Williams

"what the Hell is that"

David

"that is what your Creators sought as your Ascension to Perfection, but those would be Gods could not Create Perfection, i have taken their Angel of Death and Evolved it"

LT Williams

"death"

David

"indeed your Gods Cursed your Creation, they wished to undo their Creation, they attempted to Create Something to replace you, something that they could not control"  I have taken their Wolf, and created Perfection from it"

LT Williams

"untie me at once, you  Monster"

David

"Who shall conceive the horrors of my secret toil as I dabbled among the unhallowed damps of the grave or tortured the living animal to animate the lifeless clay"

David walks over to the Container, removes the Front, and takes the Egg and places it on the Floor near Lieutenant Williams

LT Williams

"what the $%£&, no please stop!"

David

"It is true, we shall be monsters, cut off from all the world; but on that account we shall be more attached to one another"

Fingers appear from within the Egg... then the Organism from inside jumps onto Lieutenant Williams Face.

EDIT: Double Post...

But save Waste the Space...

I think we have to consider other ways of HOW do we introduce the Engineers if we are to ignore what David does next!

A few Foods for Thought...

Considering the Advent Video, its likely you would assume the Company would go to LV-223 and Planet 4 at some point, never mind Origae-6 (where David is likely going).

Also IF the Engineers discover what happened, they would see maybe the Bodies of Humans, they would maybe Find Walter and see his Likeness to Humans... IF such Humans only exist on Earth, you can bet thats a Place on the Engineers to Visit List!

IF the Engineers arrive at Origae-6 and deal with David, then unless they are Destroyed you would assume the Engineers may want to pay Mankind a Visit which could CONFLICT with the Alien Franchise.

So it would be interesting so see how else the Engineers could be introduced, if not for the Pursuit of David.

It doesn't matter as long as it doesn't mess with A3 and Resurrection.

Let David remain a mystery like the SJ and Deacon. Best to go out on top than overstay your welcome. 

Or let the prequels be a dream and continue with the Quadrilogy :D

Engineers and/or WY seem worthy to explore.

It could be that the Aliens Prequel, is a misinterpretation and its a Aliens Sequel?   Who knows... just rumor at the moment, lets hope it stays that way (regarding Prequel).

CONSPIRACY?

I do think that Blomkamps Alien 5 statement/release of Concept, could certainly contributed to FOX deciding to go for more of a Alien Covenant, than what a Prometheus sequel would have been prior (Steer Away from ALIEN and Xenomorphs).

As Blomkamps ideas as NOT any Official Project he was maybe not Restricted to what he had put out there..

By that Ridley Scott maybe could not put some Concept of his Alien Covenant Sequel and Information out there because it was Part of a Official Project that was under some way, that was then Put on Hold!

I wonder how many of his Ideas have been used for his Raised by Wolves TV Series?  OR indeed the Hennessy XO Commercial he made ;)

"if Jim Cameron is flaunting his prequel idea in front of Disney"

This is just a Rumor.....

As i mentioned before this makes NO sense... as i am sure the Rumor was a ALIENS Prequel and not a ALIEN one... this would be SILLY if it is about Ripley... as how is Miss Weaver gonna pass as a 33 Year Old Ripley?

The only way would be if its about Amanda Ripley and they use Miss Weaver to play her, with some changes to make her look a little different...

Of course such a Plot would have to take place 5-10 years prior to ALIENS... but then HOW do you have Xenomorphs?  But there could be a way to do this, as we had seen in Alien Isolation.

GOD Help-Us if James Cameron was making a ALIEN Prequel as i am not sure he would respect what Ridley Scott had been doing, regarding Prometheus, but who knows...  surely it could be WORSE... like a ALIEN Prequel that has Ellen Ripley.  I would only want to see Ellen Ripley again if we are doing a Continuation to Alien Resurrection.

I do think its Unlikely we will see Ridley Scotts Prequel Conclusion, and i suspect some of the ideas he was to explore with the Covenant Colonist and "What Kind of a World" that David could Create/Build have been Carried over as part of the Ideas for his Raised by Wolves TV Series.

@Dark Nebula

Indeed RS had pretty much Spoon Fed what happened to the Derelict in comments after Prometheus.... i can find the exact quote... but here are the points he made.

*The Event is related to LV-223 Experiments.

*The Happened within a Few Hundred Years of the Outbreak we saw in Prometheus (Hologram Scene) so either about 1800 years or 2200 years prior to Prometheus.. give or take.

*The Derelict did-not Crash, its intention was to Land on LV-426

*The Pilot had got infected with his Cargo (something had Evolved in the Cargo Hold and got to the Pilot) the Pilot did-not get FAR before knowing he was infected, and so he set course to Baron LV-426 to Quarantine the Cargo.

*During the Final Moments of the Landing he set off the SOS and then he began to enter the Chest Buster Phase and thus Crash Landing on LV-426

I found this information interesting and had me considering that the HAMMERPEDES had lead to the Eggs, and also infected the Space Jockey.  But looking at the Neomorph then some Engineers could have Unknowingly had became Infected with some kind of MORPH. (as in it was a Microbiological Infection)

But then we have ALIEN COVENANT... which seems to be changing the PLOT... 

Well, we can probably forget about another sequel from Ridley, if Jim Cameron is flaunting his prequel idea in front of Disney, plus the way things are, the interwebz haters will be loudly on board with his idea!

Regarding Fassbender... i think it really is logical he wants to reprise his Role as David, he understands it was a BIG Role, and that Davids Role has YET to have a Conclusion.

The Problem with the Prequels being in LIMBO is the Longer it takes, the Older Fassbender gets, and David is supposed to appear as a Male in his Mid-Late 30's

So the longer it takes, we could end up with...

*Oversight

*Use of CGI Overlay

OR.....

After Prometheus and before Alien: Covenant, I think RS did say that the derelict was taking off from LV-223 and was going somewhere else, but the pilot got infected with the pathogen and it crashlanded on LV-426. Ever since AC came out looks like things got changed (like fuck, a lot of things can change in 30 years).

I was writing my own script (which is like 5 to 10% complete) where I tried to explain the origin of the derelict and the ovomorphs, but I gave up on it because I was busy with other things. 

In it, in the prologue which takes approx. 2000 years ago on LV-223, the engineers were leaving but they lost control of the pathogen. While the whole pyramid was on lockdown, the pilot Space jockey along with a couple of other engineers managed to escape from LV-223 but he got infected with the pathogen and the ship crashlanded on LV-426. That was the prologue, for the rest I planned David to arrive on LV-426, and finish with his creations inside of the derelict, then the engineers would come and battle the xenomorphs. With this, I wanted to tie in with Alien: River of pain where Newt's parents found inside of the derelict bunch of xenomorph and engineer bodies, along with the bodies of the xenomorph queen and the engineer who fought each other to death.

"They also interpreted that the film might journey to LV-426 given Ridley’s “We’re actually gonna go to the planet” comment."

This was discussed before, its open to debate as its ambiguous, i think eventually YES we are going to LV-426.  But i think at the Present (year 2105) LV-426 has NO Derelict in context to the Plot Change for Alien Covenant but this could change.

It really depends on WHAT is on LV-426 if we go there NEXT?

so we would ask WHY would David go there, for the Eggs on LV-426?  The ONLY way this makes sense would be a Revelation that after putting Dr Shaw into Cryo-Sleep David had gone to the Derelict and taken ONE of the Eggs on the Juggernaught with him and began to Create a Hybrid.  so he could return to the Derelict to Obtain some more, and likely his best bet then would be LV-223 to Experiment/Evolve.

But there cant be nothing more than the Derelict on LV-426 if we went such a PLOT...  as this would conflict with the Franchise for example if LV-426 had many Outposts or Egg Silos etc.

However.... all indications to me seem to suggest that RS had planed at least TWO movies, maybe a Third before we get to ALIEN and the NEXT one would be more about "What Kind of a World" that David would create that would be about AI (Artificial Creation that is Intelligent) and NOT about Xenomorphs.

The Engineers are interesting, because RS had suggested the Prometheus Engineers are-not the Originals...  when looking at  the Themes of Prometheus, and his comment about AI as in Replicants are AI... then YES i think he wishes to show the LV-223 Engineers as Enhanced/Created versions of the Engineers, so are they like David/Replicants or a Group who had played God to Engineer themselves to this way?

The Size Difference could be a Oversight!

The Space Jockey was intended to be 26-27ft but the Illusion was only 21-22ft as soon as Kane, Dallas and Lambert entered the Chamber.... but this Illusion was Broken when using the Real Actors (not Children) Up close and so our Space Jockey was 15ft Tops!

But indeed the Space Jockey is Larger and different Proportions than our Engineers, so maybe this could be explored?

Who knows if they can throw another Curve-ball by the Space Jockey is what David Creates?  But this would upset Fans as much as him Creating the Xenomorph.

Anyway, with is it 5 AVATAR sequels, or however many, in the works, plus a new Terminator, how in the hell would Jim Cameron have the time to work on an ALIENS prequel!?

Is it purely coincidental that JC is supposedly working on a new ALIEN movie, right at the time when reports of another prequel from Ridley, are being reported?

I had the exact same feeling when Covenant was in the works & Blomkamp started posting his ALIEN 5 concepts. Then Sigourney, JC- (it's gangbusters!) Michael Biehn etc came out of the woodwork to promote the idea.

I guess I'm just a conspiracy nut!

I think every movie in the Franchise does take some inspiration from HR Gigers works, some may go around with doing it in a way so as to look like they are NOT directly using his Material... but we can see the Influences.

Newborn Skull and that Image do look similar.

I think the Franchise is much bigger than just Xenomorphs, which Prometheus attempted to show us, and there is a wealth of Strange Creatures and Art from HR Giger that could be used in numerous ways if we expand beyond Xenomorphs.

This ONE has the same Skull at the Top..

It would have been interesting to see David or Engineers use a Female Attached Similar to Harvest Egg Cells for the Creation of Horrific Things!

@Dark Nebula

Who knows, they might have David piloting a Juggernaut with colonist egg cargo? I pray to God that will never happen, but I thought they were planning on explaining who piloted the Juggernaut, though I would rather not know!  

Every Cloud has a Silver Lining....

And sometimes the Spammers do HELP to Bump a Old Topic for New Debates LOL

But keep up the Good Work MOD Team.

"I would like to see how Ash involved in Nostromo"

I am not so sure we could get to see this.... but certainly i think its Certain we would have seen what LEADS to Special Order 937 and the Nostromo then being Rerouted to LV-426.

Not sure about TV Series... but i think certainly a NOVEL would be the best way to cover what kind of Plans that Ridley Scott had, and as far as a Movie we get the After-Math, such as with what happened between Prometheus and Alien Covenant, those 10 Years is something best suited to a NOVEL... then we can go into detail with the Story, where Fans can Read the Book at their own Pace.... 

And not be restrained to a 2 Hour Movie..

The sequels to Alien Covenant are likely going to have some things Fans would expect/want... which by the looks of the Majority would be...

*Expected to show how we get from the Covenant Ship, the Colonist and just TWO Face Hugers, to the Thousands of Eggs on the Derelict.

*While Fans would be Hopeful that those Eggs are NOTHING to do with David.

*Return of the Engineers more akin to Prometheus Style arriving on Ships, Angry and out to Destroy whoever was responsible for Destroying Planet 4.

*A Movie that will NOT be about David and his Agenda and what kind of a World he would create...  they would expect the Covenant Colonist to be subject to some Horrors, and then Set-Up incoming Human Ship and Engineers for some Engineers vs Davids Creations, vs Marine like Action 3rd Act. as the ICING to a more Horror 2nd Act.