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dk - You're welcome.

dk/Ingeniero - Thank you for your work.

The Adora Files is new for me, thx for sharing it.

Great job guys and gals! Ill feature! :-) 

But they didn't show them where they come from, they directed them to LV-233. And what do you mean "what it is to be dangerous?"

Sometimes I like to think the Engineers' plan was sort of like this. "Let's show them where we come from. If they ever find us, we will know they must know what it is to be dangerous. Then we will know it is time to destroy them." Something along those lines.

Cool idea Chris. The premise of Event Horizon was really interesting and eerie. A ship that had returned from hell. A character and setting in of itself. Top cast that film had too!

Perhaps your idea need not use the Event Horizon itself but utilise its concept. Say instead humanity attempt to iron out the kinks of their gravity drive as a usable means of FTL travel. The Event Horizon confirmed the proof of concept for future tech. However not yet perfected, the risk remains that humanities new and improved gravity drives will spit a ship out in the hellish dimension the Event Horizon encountered. 

Perhaps here and there they return with certain large leathery eggs, or encounter Predator ships using the same tech.

And perhaps the Engineers are aware of this, and like it not one bit. They take it upon themselves to smackdown humans and Yautja using this form of FTL travel.  

Thank you DK!

"Which i can safely assume SM you had to collaborate with FOX regarding extra things added to that..."

Not as such. I add the extra dates and explain the reasoning behind them. Fox is generally okay with that reasoning if they need to reference dates.

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I watched Outland last night.

The cast is great and so is the story. The film really does look like it is set during the time the Nostromo was operating in Alien. This film could be included in the Alien universe because I saw no contradictions with canon that I remember. And it would fit perfectly with the Alien: Covenant Origins novelization because there are no aliens in Outland.

In many cases, a 3rd party company will operate an industrial plant for the owner...so, the company name on everything in Outland could certainly fit within a 3rd party contractor operating the mining operation on the moon Io for Weyland Industries. Also, the bar in Outland reminds me of the bar in Blade Runner (1982).

Thank you again for reminding me of the film Ati.

This is amazing.

Suzi Battersby really did a great job with Lope's face (and everything else I see). Great images Dark Nebula, thank you.

Disney,

I respectfully ask for an Alien: Covenant sequel update in the form of a date that it will be in the theaters? And may we please have a trailer for this film.

Thank you. 

E.T.A. is so great. 

Nice work dk, the topic is bodacious.

One of the female Engineers

Source:

http://www.suzibattersby.com/work/item/alien_covenant

BigDave

So if Shaw waited at least a few month to fix the Psycho, wouldn't that infirm the theory that she was still infected (after removing the sperm monster)? And where the hell is the synth's power supply? I could understand that it has in the head some emergency batteries in his head, but how long can they last.

Furthermore, if David remained alone on Engineer Ship a few month why did he complain the he would be alone again (as he was alone more than 2 years before Prometheus)? And what in the hell did Shaw do for those months awake? She wanted to ask questions but why didn't she study the ship's archive?

But what do I know, I am just ignorant...

The creatures affected by the black goo were really strong, one hammerpede was capable of snapping human arm like a tree stick. The last Engineer was subdued by trilobite's tentacles by surprise because he was targeting Shaw, still, the trilobite had some trouble trying to impregnate the Engineer.

But still, put somebody else in that situation, for example, the Yautja and the results are the same.

This reminded me of an alternate ending of a Toho film from 1965 called Frankenstein vs Baragon. In it, a giant Frankenstein beats the living shit out of Baragon with his bare hands, and he is later defeated by a large octopus. Why? Because he couldn't do jackshit against  8 powerful tentacles.

I am always skeptical of Comic interpretations as they can exaggerate things, but as far as Comic Canon, indeed the Engineers seem to be very powerful for their size.

Prometheus offers us something different though, it appears the Shotgun Blast Wounded the Engineer, or at least Damaged his Bio-Mechanical Suit.   I think from this we could assume that 20-30 rounds from a Pulse Riffle would make short work of a Engineer.

We see there suits can explode from inside, or maybe suffer damage from outside, (Dead Engineers) also the Deacon was able to Tear Itself free from this suit.... unless we assume breaking out is much easier than getting in.

The Engineer appeared to struggle with the Trilobite and so we have to assume a Queen would prove to be more of a tougher opponents...  HOWEVER... we have to assume the Engineer suffered some wounds from the Crash (theatrical cut) and so he may not have been at 100% when faced with and overpowered by the Trilobite.

The Engineer was able to Toss/Push around the Humans it attacked in Prometheus as easy as a 180lb man would a 12-16b animal/baby.

When looking at the Time-Line to when the Covenant will arrive (should) at Origae-6 then it should get there around April 2112 leaving us 10 years off the events of ALIEN

I will assume the Covenant is much further than LV-426, we cant say how much because we dont have the Distance of Origae-6 only that its Total Journey would appear to be in the 8-8.5 year mark

We simply cant tell how far it is though.... if we assume the journey would have been 8 years 4 months then at the Speed of the Prometheus this would make Origae-6 in the 160-170 Light Year Ball Park and thus over 4X further than LV-223/426.  

If we consider the Covenant is as fast as the Nostromo then we are looking at a 390 Light Year Ball Park and thus 10X Further than LV-223/426.... HOWEVER we dont know how fast the Covenant is, it appears its Newer Tech than the Nostromo but thats prior to the Nostromo Improvements...  I think we can only assume the Covenant maybe at least as fast as the Prometheus, and maybe it could be as fast as the Refitted Nostromo or more likely some speed between and so a 20-50 Light Year per Year Speeds...  but this is only a ASSUMPTION  which maybe could lead us to Estimate that Origae-6 has to be 4-10X further than LV-223/426

I am not sure David would take the Covenant to Origae-6 and then to LV-223, i think its likely the direction is David arrives on Origae-6 in 2112.... likely help to set up the Colony.

I think a Engineer Ship that arrives to Planet 4, will then be on a course to Origae-6 but due to speeds of the Juggernaught i would assume that David would at least be on Origae-6 before any Engineers return to Planet 4.

I think its likely a Engineer Ship that arrives at Origae-6 after 2112 will set up part of the events that lead to this ship ending up in the LV-223/426 system at some point latter.

The Company will receive Davids Message i believe about 1.5 years after it was sent.   We dont know how fast and what urgency a Weyland Yutani Ship would then be off to Origae-6 and we dont know how fast those ships are... but we can ASSUME they will not arrive until David has been there for some time.

Having Studied Dr Shaws Hair from Prometheus and the Crossing, it appears (hard to gauge 100% due to her hair not being straight) that her Hair is 4-6" Longer towards the front as far as be the sides of her head (not Fringe) and 6-8" at the back of her head.

I looked at Photos of her from Summer 2016 and movies she had shot around the time prior to AC finished shooting and next project after.    And compared to shots of her in 2011 at time of Prometheus.

And her Hair Difference is between 6-8"

I we assume her Hair Growth to be a conservative 6"  and the Average Growth of a Female Caucasian is 5-7" per year.

So i think we can assume for Noomi Rappace to grow her Hair Naturally from the Length in Prometheus to the Crossing, it would be about a year.

This can not be used as any FACT to how long Dr Shaw had remained out of Cry-sleep before she put David back together, but only if we assume this is not a Oversight... then Dr Shaw's Hair Growth would be about a year give or take.

I think this fits with Ridley Scotts comments of she will slowly put him back together, and his warnings and caution about how Dr Shaw would have to be very careful because once his head goes on he is Dangerous... but he is Persuasive.

I find it Plausible that they spent many many months, before Dr Shaw had built the trust to a point where she felt SAFE to put David back together and for her to enter Cryo-sleep.

But alas it could be a oversight.... Rappace was maybe Cast for the Crossing between working on TWO Projects or During, where she had to have the longer hair she had.

But as is the case... any potential clue, can be used to make a debate... and i do think it logically makes sense that Dr Shaw took her time to rebuild David for good reason...

This also ties up any queries about what David did in that time and how long it took, because if think its more Logical if Dr Shaw finally went into Cryo-sleep and David to then spend up to 2 months to get to Planet 4, rather than assume it would take the Juggernaught 10-12 months.

At this point i would assume maybe indeed Dr Shaw had spend a long time before she puts David together and so David departed for Planet 4 i would say 2-4 weeks... prior to the Bombardment.  But again this is just a assumption taking into account Hair Growth that would take a conservative estimate of 10-12 months.

I think she had witnessed what harm came from 10's maybe even hundred odd leaking Urns, and then having seen the Juggernaught had Thousands.

She made a Assumption of the Damage that could be done, if this Pathogen got to Earth....  We cant be sure how much damage would be caused....

But its hinted that this stuff would spread though the air and water and it would have a huge effect, we cant say it would mutate/destroy all Life... but that a large portion would be infected and that would also likely result in the spread of destruction from Organisms created from the Black Goo.

It appears the Ships have at least TWO such Cargo Holds, it could have up to FOUR

Between comments by RS, the Weyland File on the Black Goo, and Alien Covenant it is implied indeed a Full Load of these Urns would in effect wipe out most if not all life on a Planet.

Dr Shaw merely made a Assumption... but we need to remember with Prometheus many of the crews comments are actually Narrations to explain what is going on...  

From Dr Shaws, Ebola reference when she says shes seen something like this before (Pathogenic/Viral Outbreak). To Janeks talks about the Weapons Facility etc.

If someone was to work on Ebola... find a way to increase its infection to also be transmitted via same methods as FLU and if it also can spread just like FLU and Ebola so we have a Hybrid Virus that combines both of these....  with NO CURE

If the infected Fluids so the Hybrid Virus was Produced in Large Quantities so that infected substance had the same volume as we see the Black Goo Urns in Prometheus would leak.

And a Country loaded this Virus into similar Canisters in their Thousands and then Bombarded a continent like the Americas or Europe then you be sure a Epidemic would happen and Millions and Millions would die within weeks/months.  Potentially leading to Billions if infected people or fluids managed to travel to other continents.

We can safely assume the Black Goo effects are much more serious.

Well we have to remember that FOX have the Final Say...

I think RS had a lot of interest in the Ancient Aliens/Gods links to explain the Space Jockey,  and the Creation Mythos, and touching upon Creation and Rebellion and Hubris of Creation themes.

Some have wondered if RS had made some flaws with AC as a big F-U to those who pressured the Prometheus sequel to be about the Xenomorph, but i dont think RS would be so stupid to give us the changes we saw in the xenomorph just for a F-U Fanboys reaction.

I think having a interest in Creation/Sub Creation Arc, was going to lead to David attempting to Create his own Xenomorph DNA Monster anyway.....  I think RS had then thought you know what, having David create IT rather than Re-Create something similar was more interesting and fitting with the over all Creation/Hubris Arc.

Its interesting for sure... but they should know its something that WILL Split the Fanbase... and something that offer a conflict to clues in previous movies and mean a lot of Tidy up work to make this fit with what we saw in ALIEN.

The Ancient Aliens Plot, Fantastic, Engineers Great idea, as a Stand Alone movie... not connected to the Derelict/Space Jockey..  By going the route they did it made the Enigma of the Space Jockey and Alien/Derelict less Alieny, more too connected to Humanity.

Then the route that they took with David creating the Xenomorph, has made even this Organism now less Alieny too.

I think introducing some other Party that has a sinister motive and fits more in tone with the Giger-esque Aesthetic and  Visions of that great Artist is whats needed.

I think RS needs some input, but they do need to look at something more Alien....  i dont think Cameron should be involved if they are going to make it about the Xenomorph and Queens...

RS is only as good as the Script...  and FOX did make some changes too and i think the Scripts have been not strong enough, they all needed a bit of tinkering with.

Indeed had a quick look, and some is sourced from what we know about movies, some from DVD Extras...  some from other material such as the Weyland-Yutani Report.

Which i can safely assume SM you had to collaborate with FOX regarding extra things added to that...

I think its tricky to get a TRUE timeline with all the changes that keep happening, and the case of whats Canon/Not Canon as far as some expanded universe books and games..

The Weyland Industries Website offered some good back ground, as well as some extras for Prometheus... but it kind of appears that with Alien Covenant they have been Re-writing a bit of History.

Hopefully with the supposed ALIEN Rulebook as  a refference for the Franchise, we can see down the line another Book like the Yutani Report... one that once the Prequels are done i am sure we can finally get a comprehensive versions.. not saying yours is bad...  but only so much that can be done while FOX working on extra material that would be released after the Yutani Report went into Production.

I would love to see some books down the line where we get Schematics to various Ships too...

Regarding the Events in Question, having not read the Origins book and so not knowing what date that was set in, did mean i could not conclude the events of the Covenant... i felt a while back and prior to that book, that the Covenant had to at least have set off from Earth for about a year... and no way longer than 5 years due to the Merger...  I estimated prior to the book the Covenant would likely had set off 1-3 years prior.

But taking the information about the Missions Final Preparations in December 2103, and other clues in AC as Clara had done, then i cant argue against the estimates as far as Re-Charge Cycles... which would mean a 11-12 Month Ball Park and thus a December 2103-January 2104 departure date.

I cant find any proof for the date of the Juggernauts arrival on Planet 4 however... or departure from the LV-223 System, David claims he has been there for 10 years...  which would indicate since around December 2094 but then when someone says 10 years it really could be within the Ball Park of +/- a few months too.

Evidence only suggests Dr Shaw made the Transmission on January 1st 2094....  the movie is a bit ambiguous but if we assume that events are chronological i.e David and Shaw set off in the Juggernaught prior to the Deacon, and Dr Shaws SOS was made during her Final Trip to the Engineer Ship.

Then this means the Deacon had a 5-6 day Gestation at very least...  which gives Dr Shaw plenty of time to gather supplies...  She does not know what the Deacon or Trilobite are... all she witnessed was a Giant Tentacled Beast Grab the Engineer. If she had gone to investigate she may have spotted what looked like a Dead Engineer and Dead Trilobite and so maybe felt a bit safer to quickly gather supplies.

A lot of Problems do arise from a lack of attention to things in these movies though...

But i still think its likely that David was not Re-built until at least 4-5 Months minimum maybe even 9-10 months after the events of Prometheus.

Interesting find....  will have to try and check it out.

sounds like a Star Beast, meets Event Horizon and Hellraiser kind of Plot lol

Visually it looks interesting and i cant help but wonder did they take some Atheistic ideas from Star Beast?   That Pyramid Straight up looks just like what HR Giger would have done if instead of ALIEN they decided to keep the Plot more closer to Star Beast.

I think a lot of us would have been hoping to discover similar looking Pyramids on the Engineers Home-world... but ALAS

Now DK thats just plain Stupid and Overkill lol

Imagine that... Black Goo + The Thing Organic Virus... Oh dear...

Mind you The Thing on its own has to be hands down the most deadly kind of Bio-Weapon you could employ

But yeah that would be interesting,  especially seeing how Predators would deal with that....

The Thing could add some interest.

Watched the video on youtube and it was enough to get an idea. Even if it was made 2 years after Alien this movie Galaxy of Terror seems like a terrible waste of time. James Cameron is brilliant at maggots' electrocution and marines' shoot out.

Let's admit how lucky we were for Alien with Ridley Scott at the helm.

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Clara has used large chunks of my timeline which she links to at the top of her page.  She's also made some estimates of her own with things like Advent (which from memory is not dated).  Other dates she has referenced regarding Covenant refer to an earlier version of my timeline which had since been updated.

 I think that question was answered in Covenant. Also, I think Shaw saw and experienced enough of what the goo did and rightly figured it would not be good to reach Earth.

Yet another movie for the watch list. Thanks Ati. I was (am) always a fan of the sets and effects from the pre CGI era. 

Brego, unfortunately, you nailed it. My only hope lies with Disney to reign in Ridley Scott and his meddling in the script & story for which he has no expertise. If he could just focus only on directing through cinematography w excellent sets + sound. It's gonna take fresh eyes and clean hands to salvage the mess(story) of Alien Covenant.

The Engineer had his nose ripped off and got the queen's tail through the back and out the chest but was still able to overwhelm her. Pretty tough chap. Great captures Dark Nebula.

Certainly do ;)

The Advent Video does seem to show us that David has indeed been sending over Information of his findings,  it all depends if those behind the Viral have done their homework and looked at the clues and to not contradict anything.

The only logical explanation is David is able to record all memories he has into System Files he can Upload to a computer and edit and then Transmit.

So its like if David saw a Engineer Statue with a Inscription on it, then he has a Photo-Graphic Memory and all Memories and Images he has seen can be uploaded.

This means all those drawings he had done, would not need to be taken from Planet 4, but the Fact David has seen them while working on them we have to assume his AI Brain can take Photos of his visual memory that can be uploaded.

The spider concept is similar to the mutated ants on LV-223 from the Prometheus: Fire and Stone 1 comic, above. There are quite a few concepts found in the comics that made their way into Alien: Covenant.

The Spider Alien looks interesting, but what purpose would this be?

I can only think of it being similar to the Trilobite and by that some kind of Face Hugger type Organism and showing the Black Goo leads to a Face Hugger Type Organism... which means the Spider Face Hugger has to then INFECT a Host?

If this was the idea, no wonder they canned it simply maybe because it added another Cycle to the Life Cycle and they felt a Infection that leads directly to a Chest Buster type Organism (Chest Buster) would be more interesting.

Saying that Jon Spaights Holloway infection appeared as some kind of Trilobite like Creature to a degree, well with a Head and so like a Tentacles version of this Spider Alien... and Spaights Chest Buster evolved into something that looked different to its more Trilobite like Chest Buster Stage (did not act as a Face Hugger).

"Into what though? It could be improved but it could get worse. "

Your follow up to this is exactly what i meant.. Disney can change things as nothing is set in STONE yet!

There is not 100% undeniable evidence in the Movies that David Created the Xenomorph, and the Derelict has not been there for Thousands of years... it appears it is hinting that the Derelict would be a Recent Event, POST 2105 for Certain and that without David there would be NO Xenomorph...

But there is nothing concrete that any U-Turn would not conflict against.

The Same goes for the Space Jockey and Derelict, while the clues show the Engineers and Juggernaught are connected there is NO concrete Proof they are 100% the same, and so they could be explained as something different... 

At the moment it appears they are the same, but we have some Aesthetically and size differences, this means a Element of Doubt and Contradicting Evidence.. so these can be changed.

Thats not to say they will be though.

Yeah dk. What is "David"?

...it's not our android...see below.

Ok having looked at that site, and taking what is put down as Factual.. as far as what i CANT disprove (due to not having the Origins Book)   It appears they give the Sabotage Date of the Covenant as December 01 2103

I have not read it so i cant say this is incorrect..

Looking at what they say next, indeed the Date of the Covenant Neutrino Burst Disaster is December 5th 2104 and Walter does say about 7 Re-Charges until Origae-6 which would take 7 years and 4 Months so Origae-6 Arrival Date is Estimated as Early April 2112.

Now 7 Recharges we cant be sure when they take place... the remaining Journey Time had the Re-Charge Been Successful would have been 88 Months,  Divided by 7 is 12.57 Months... but this does not mean that per charge.... as the last Charge could be months prior, what this shows is the Covenant has to Charge at least ONCE per Year.

If the Sabotage was December 2103 we have to assume (again i have not read the Origins Book)  that the Covenant Departs between December 2103 and End of January  2104 but i dont think we have any conclusive exact dates...

But the Ball Park for the Covenants Departure would have to be December 2103-March 2104 latest.

Looking at the sites analysis....  i think that January 2104 for the Covenants Departure Date seems a Fair and very Plausible Assessment,  taking the information given in the Origins Book, i would have concluded a likely Launch of December/January

I do like the sites assessments, i will have to look at other stuff so THANKS for the Share..

I still find no Proof for the Departure of the Juggernaught or Arrival to Planet 4, until further Proof or Study i would have to assume the Travel would have been WEEKS to up to 6 Months.

I would assume David placed Dr Shaw in Cryo-sleep April 2104-October 2104 and Arrived on Planet 4 between October 2104-April 2105

But alas this is only a Guess... i can only assume that a departure date of April 2104-October 2104 is likely

I have checked that site out, and the source they claim is The Crossing however the Crossing does not give any dates at all,  only about 2093 and the Prometheus mission.

So the January 1st 2094 has to be a rather large assumption, i will need someone who has read the Alien Covenant Origin Novel to confirm any dates as i have not read or have this book.

The only thing we have really is that the ending of Prometheus we have Dr Shaw heading off with David in Two Pieces on the ATV Buggy heading towards another Temple Complex for another Juggernaught where she relays a SOS to Warn People that only Death is there now... the date of the recording is January 1st 2094, but we dont know if this recording was taken prior to the Buggy Scene, or after or during.

The next Clues we have is the Arrival of the Covenant Ship... which indicate 5th December 2104 as when the Covenant Crew are awoken due to the Neutrino Blast.

I have not read the Origins Book... i will have to dig it up, unless someone can confirm information....  So all i had to go on was that in relation to the OT is that there simply is NO Dates of when the Juggernaught Arrived at Planet 4, as far as i am aware.

Regarding Dr Shaw, and the wait... you would indeed assume she would want to get the HELL away as fast as she can, and not risk going back to the Lifeboat.

It appears a big question for Dr Shaw is TRUST regarding David, she knows she would be taking a HUGE risk in putting him back together...  Ridley Scott even mentions this when disusing potential Prometheus sequel...   He further explains that David can be very confining and that Dr Shaw SLOWLY puts him back together.

The Prologue The Crossing shows us that David started to grow fond of Dr Shaw, something he confirms to Walter in Alien  Covenant but he could be lying.... but lets look at the Dates.. the events of Prometheus ended with the date of December 26th, December 27th  2093 Maximum as far as when Dr Shaw recovers Davids Body...

Yet the SOS message was sent January 1st 2094 and so this was sent 5-6 days after she recovered Davids Body, we have to ask what was she doing for 4-6 days, how did she manage to send a SOS?  The Prometheus is destroyed....  was it via the Juggernaught they found either on the 1st of January or after this date?   Communications Equipment in the wreckage of the Prometheus?  Or from the Life Boat... or the ATV Buggy had Communications it could send out the SOS?

I dont think it would take 5-6 days for Dr Shaw to get Davids Body on the ATV and head to a Juggernaut

The Crossing shows that Dr Shaw has some kind of Nutrition she has been taking, is this on the Engineers ship? if not then enough of this on the ATV?  Found in the wreckage of Prometheus? or from the Life Boat?

We also see Dr Shaw has managed to get some Tools to Repair David, a Bed, recovered a Photo of her and Holloway (shown in AC) did this come from the Wreckage? what are the chances of this?  or the Lifeboat?

We also see Dr Shaw plotting a Course using a what appears to be a Physical Star Chart, surely David could Navigate using the Juggernaughts Controls/Navigation System... This Chart seems odd for Engineer Technology, and so if its Human Star Chart then where would it come from?  

i think all of the above shows that Dr Shaw must have gone back to the Lifeboat to Salvage stuff, this explains the 5-6 Day delay.. a Question is what about the Deacon... but Dr Shaw is not aware of this and i am not sure David would be either, and so Dr Shaw just left a Engineer and Trilobite struggling.

Dr Shaws Hair has grown at least 4-6 inches (yep i measured the difference a few times before lol) that was being conservative, and a Woman would grow 4 inches in 4-6 Months it depends person to person..  if her hair had grown 6 inches then thats 6-9 Months... i will have to double check again... work out the hair growth and average for growth again.

But when doing it when studying The Crossing viral when it came out, i came to conclude we are looking at 6 Months plus. But actually i think that Hair Growth means anything within the 5-12 Month Ball Park.....

Unless its a oversight...

Looking at it Logically.... Dr Shaw needs to Trust David, and David needs to gain her Trust, Dr Shaw would be wise to take her time and so its likely she spent 4-6 days recovering from the Prometheus Wreckage and Lifeboat all the Equipment she had in The Crossing maybe even finding communications there to send the SOS....   She likely then got David into some kind of Agreement to take the Ship to Out of Space... or left in Hanger.

Before Spending i would assume 6-9 months interacting with David before she felt confident to put him back together and in this time David had Fallen for her...

Hence why i feel that Dr Shaw and David had not Set Off (regarding her in Cryo-Sleep) towards Planet 4 until at least April 2094, maybe even as far as October 2094 (i think i need to redo a in depth analysis)

My pleasure, Ingeniero, I'm happy you find it interesting.

I wouldn't like to claim anything about the storyline, but the production design is outstanding. The pyramid looks awesome: