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These look amazing! I hope they will pop up in a sequel to Covenant (if there is one).

By the way, as the picture in the article actually shows, the Alien Covenant xeno actually looks more similar to the bug type xeno's we encounter in Aliens. 

It might very well explain the difference we see between the xeno creature in Alien and Aliens. 

Or...as recent archaeological proof in Israel has shown, modern humans have lived outside of Africa for 200,000 years. Plenty of time to evolve and develop on our own. 

Agreed Brego

I think many people are still on the wrong train of thought. 

@BigDave

The viral videos, the Weyland Corporation webpage which is still somewhat there at https://secure.weylandindustries.com all served as supplements to the movie. 

The either introduce us to plot dynamics, or characters, and they do it in such a way that the movies don't have to deal with that. 
Quiet Eye gave us a bit of backstory on Shaw & Holloway's efforts to find funding for their expedition, and the rigorous psychological profiling that was done by Yutani Corporation in order to understand people's motivations.
Happy Birthday David introduced us to the character of David, and the Peter Weyland TED Speech showed us a pivotal part of Sir Peter Weyland's life and his motivations as a character. It gave us lots of necessary backstory into this world which we otherwise would not have seen. They have been essential within the scope of world building and setting up several plot threads. None of this is actually in the movie, but it is important for the movie nonetheless. 

Clips like Last Supper, Phobos and The Crossing were similar for Alien Covenant. They set up the world and gave us bits of background information not present within the scope of the final movie, but the movie still relied heavily on those elements.  
With your reasoning, one might consider "The Crossing" to be non Canon simply because we don't see certain scenes from that little clip within the final movie of Alien Covenant. 

I think that whenever information is "Official" it can be considered canon.
Why otherwise release it, if it has no meaning?

The Peter Weyland files are part of the official blu ray release of Prometheus, so for me there is no reason at all to consider them non canon. 

With that stated; Prometheus simply doesn't support the storyline that the xeno creature in Alien Covenant is an actual "protomorph" and thus prototype of the creature the Nostromo later encounters. 
The alien signal which comes from the LV-426 derelict was already there prior to the Prometheus leaving for Zeta 2 Reticuli which means the eggs were there as well, since they were in the statisfield contained cargo clusters. 
I'd rather say that the xeno creature in Alien Covenant is yet another strain of creature which came about by David's tinkering with the genetics of the black goo and thus closely resembles something which already was part of the Engineer culture. 

The engineers were well aware of what the black goo was capable of as the murals in Prometheus showed us several familiar elements, like for example an egg held by these webbed hands which look like the hands of a Xenomorph. 

BigDave I can always rely on you for information! haha cheers for the comment. Yes I am regarding aliens who possibly visited earth thousands of years ago according to ancient alien theory- for example a Prometheus engineer. The people/human species would have looked at them like gods because they taught the evolving humans how to create civilization- or the 'promethean god' teaching them to create fire which was a huge element in evolution. If the aliens spread their DNA around earth or physically put it into in homo-erectus/human species- then modern humans would be the outcome of the 'alien and primate' parents.

So yes you are right, they would have to have some sort of human elements, which means they could possibly come from a planet similar to earth.

Over thought and under delivered. The story arch is damaged beyond repair. So many opportunities lost, squandered and ruined. So disappointing that Ridley couldn't simply follow his own cannon. Too many plot holes. Too many departures from Giger. Too many changes from the original (perfect in my eyes) story. Too many over thought tangents. Too many disappointments.  Sorry. Ruined.

More of a mystery is where are all the bodies of the black goo mutated dead creatures which should be littered all over the planet.

This whole explaining the Xenomorph pathos is stupid and disrespectful towards Dan O'Bannon first vision. A rapist android in space might be horrific, but it would not make it Lovecraftian horror, which tellies on the unknown and on the explainable/unknowable. That's why Lovecrafts "gods" are amalgamations of eyes of tentacles because they don't make sense in the real world. Trying to explain how the Xeno can see even if he has no eyes (as comment on an other thread) or why it raped Lambert in the first one (or why it's life cycle has a rape phase) can only degrade the monster and it's effectiveness.

PS. Why would anyone in their right mind built a synth with sexuality? Have they even got sex organs? Did they even program them to feel orgasms? Can this mechanism be hacked to feel it constantly? Can female synth have babies? For me this is very hentai.

PS2. As I said already I don't like the Xenomorph (and don't care where they come from as it does not matter) and I watch AC only because of Prometheus and it's promises at the end.

I think it depends on where they are going with it Critters5, RS had said the next one would be LESS Xenomorph and more AI and with the Engineers Returning, would give us the PLOT Device that would bring the Derelict into play. 

We dont know how TWO Face Huggers can lead to Thousands, but what we have seen in the Franchise is the Sacrificial Goo appeared to be a TOOL that allows for the Obtaining of a Organisms DNA to be used as a Seeding Device to Spread its DNA and Create  Hybrid.     Sacrificial Goo + Wolf and resulting Mutagen applied to a Human = a Werewolf so to speak.

We know the Engineers on LV-223 had experimented on various Organisms related to the Xenomorph in order to obtain the DEACON in the Mural.  LV-223 is close to LV-426 and so at some point a ENGINEER SHIP with DAVIDS EGGS/XENOMORPH has to end up in the LV-223/426 System?

The Big Question is WHY?

If the Engineers discover Davids Xenomorph, even if its a Face Hugger, or Xenomorph and they see this as Potential Perfection and they wish to Perfect it more and Multiply it... Then it would make Logical Sense for these Engineers to take Davids Xenomorph to LV-223 for Experiments.

A way to fix the size could be simple, introduce the Derelict with a slight different design.

Increase the Distance of the Arm Sections between the Central Part of the Ship and just before where they Curve around, as shown in the RED HORIZONTAL ARROWS,  increase the Height of the ship a little but increase the height of the Central Part a bit more as shown with the RED VERTICAL ARROWS then add a Larger Area under the ship, Dome Shaped like the Top of the Central Part but a little different as shown by the GREEN SECTION.

These Mild Changes, and then reveal the Space Jockey Pilot Platform is at the same LEVEL as the YELLOW LINE and all of these i think will make the Cargo Hold more Believable.

PS forgive my Poor Art/Graphic Ability ;)

Not to far off HOX

Getting Brownie Points also is applied to KISSING ASS, in order to get in someones Good Books ;)

Indeed Charza we also had the Weyland Viral site for Prometheus that gave some insight too, however as none of these are in the Theatrical Releases then any extras can be removed from Canon, and changed, i think RS believes having David Create it is far more interesting.

@Thoughts_Dreams

If RS gets his input then i think he will stick with the DAVID creates the Xenomorph Plot, HOWEVER... there is a way to move forwards with this, its a idea i have with my ideas for how i would continue the Franchise and ideas i have with my TWO sequel ideas.

Engineers Obtained the Black Goo, via indirect, accidental or as punishment with something related to the Parasitic Life Form,  The Engineers too a great interest in this (Fresco Creature) and began to Experiment with this Organism that had infected the Engineers (much like David did with maybe the results of the Pathogen on Planet 4) Then the Engineers experimented on this, tinkering with it here and there UNTIL they Achieved the DEACON in the Mural, the Engineers saw this as Perfection and Sacrificed it to make the Substance in the BLACK GOO.

David took this Black Goo, Bombarded the Engineers and from the Results, he also began what those Engineers did on LV-223 and that is to experiment and Cross Hybrid various Experiments UNTIL David reached his own PERFECTION the Xenomorph.

This places us at the end of ALIEN COVENANT and so next i would have the Engineers or related Race Turn up and Discover Davids Xenomorph and see this as being MORE PERFECT than what they had Worshiped/Created on LV-223.   These BEINGS take Davids Xenomorph to LV-223 to begin to EVOLVE/PERFECT it even more and the Result is the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph, but the Engineers/Space Jockey suffer a GREAT Hubris for Attempting to Perfect and Control Davids Creation.

So we have LV-223 Engineers either Punished, or suffer a Punishment/Hubris for experimenting with the Black Goo on a Parasite they encountered, the end Result the Mural and Black Goo, David plays the MIDDLE MAN in Evolving the Engineers work to get to his Xenomorph and the SPACE JOCKEY then Evolve this further leading to those Eggs on the Derelict.

THIS ^^^^ is the route i would go, with a few Twists, and i HOPE its the route they take.

Without David there would be NO Xenomorph, without the Engineers there would be NO Black Goo that David uses to Create his Xenomorph but WITHOUT the Space Jockey there would be NO Evolution to Davids Xenomorph to get to the Bio-Mechanical Version, which the Space Jockey uses David, or David has to Sacrifice/Lose something important to him  (A Synthetic Construct) to be the Final Piece of the Jigsaw.

To me the ADF novel of Alien Covenant, together with the amazing art of Khang Le, seems like the way to go from here, as they have so much potential. 
I still don't think David is the ultimate creator of the xx121 Xenomorph species.
His tinkering resulted in some strain of the creature, and his knowledge could definitely be key to Weyland Yutani knowing of creatures like this out there, but it still is a different thing. 
Similar, but different, just like the Neomorph and the Deacon.  

Even within the movie releases and supplemental materials there are still a lot of clues that things can not be brought down to just David. 

1. On the blu ray release of Prometheus there are "The Peter Weyland Files". These files consist of the promotional clips that were made to be part of the Prometheus experience. Each clip has its own log entry written by Peter Weyland himself. 
In this case the "Quiet Eye" entry is very interesting as Peter Weyland writes this and I quote: 

"As fate would have it, Shaw and Holloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptible signal emanating from one of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of Shaw and Holloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of origin could actually be the moon LV-426."

This ladies and gentlemen confirms that the derelict signal was already there prior to the Prometheus mission, and as we know, that derelict on LV-426 had cargo spaces full of eggs which lay dormant under a special stasis field. 

2. David is known to be incorrect in several occasions, and he is also known to lie. He mistakenly identifies the Ozymandias poem as written by Byron, while it was written by Shelley. He also lies about Shaw and her fate and his role in the downfall of the engineer city.
He is not the ultimate creator, it simply isn't supported by Prometheus. 

3. The ending suggests that David was somehow in touch with Weyland Yutani all along. Why would he still have a special access code which grants him special clearance if he was truly presumed to be a lost asset by the company. That just doesn't make sense. 

I agree. I think we just need to suspend belief unless they end up saying its a silo to avoid David needing to make thousands of eggs from 2 huggers. 

@Thoughts_Dreams, you're not far off. The Oxford English Dictionary says that a Brownie point is probably a development of 'brown-nose'. Yuk.

Having used a few images from Alien, and in particular this one.

Which shows the Opening External Size is about 3.5X Height of the Space Suited Humans, and so a 20ft Estimate is Approximately the External (Vulva) size but it could be between 20-22ft mark, but i can now use this to roughly scale the descending Kane in the Egg Chamber Image to the Openings on the Derelict Prop where i will allow for Kane Height to be between 3-3.5X Less.

And we end up with this image below as a Approximate Guess, which shows the Egg Chamber Height is actually near enough the Entire Derelict Height, which adds up with the Space Jockey Pilot Room Set which only covers about Half the Height of the Pilot Chamber.  Up to the Blue Line as they used the same Set.

When looking at the image above, and noticing how the Egg Chamber Curves around, i cant help but think of a Internal Layout as Bellow.

IF the Cargo Hold is part of the Ship, i feel its likely set out like this, where maybe the BLUE Cargo Hold would Curve more to fit the U Shape of the Derelict, i think this could show that IF the Derelict was TWICE the size or HEIGHT then the Egg Chamber would FIT.... even if it was 50% Larger (Derelict) i think it would FIT, but looking at how they Entered the Derelict and the Pilot Chamber we can assume the Cargo Hold would start about Level with the Vaginal Openings, or at very Most the 3 Markings that are above them and thus would not FIT how it does in the MOVIE.

The pictures in themselves look good but they are not very Xeno-like (for example Dogs 2).

They saved the idea of the goo affecting the environment, which was totally fine by me.

Big Dave:

Alright I get it, thanks for the explanation. To me it still sounds like something sarcastic that you give to someone who really has screwed up.

Alright, let us see where this will go.

The mural in Prometheus makes it interesting, it is logical that the Xeno existed before David made his version (the mural in Prometheus). Eventually it will make more sense in the timeline if we look at the Engineers being dissatisfied with the human ways and trying to upgrade things now and then so they make the Xeno to cleanse worlds like mankind on earth. My suggestion is that they have made that version sometimes before David made his version (in the year 2000 +) or where ever AC is supposed to take place.

I would not mind if the Engineers find David’s egg and try to evolve it so an Engineer is the SJ in the 1979 movie. To me this would hurt less than having David responsible for the 1979 version. Engineers are bigger than David but smaller than the SJ so they are closer to the SJ in size hence it if more logical to let the SJ being an Engineer.

This is what I think could happen if we look at it logically:

"The only Logical Explanation would be a incoming Engineer or related Race Ship, encounters Davids Xenomorphs, and then attempts to take them to LV-223 to EVOLVE and then leaves LV-223 but ends up only as far as LV-426."

The difference is that David’s monsters have not been born yet so there is only eggs.

“… from the Deacons appearance in Prometheus and the murals seen inside one of the domes on LV-223 that David did not create the Xenomorph...”

Maybe David was not involved in the Deacon but in the Xeno so that mural might be something that they encountered before? There are many possibilities that can be from that thing but I hope that you are right that the Xenois is older than David’s creation

“I think that RS has lost interest in the franchise...“

That might be the case but I am not looking forward to an eventual Alien 5.

I think that the idea that David did the original Xenos is a disaster, Scott is totally wrong about that. At least the Engineers played a role by making the goo so they are indirectly responsible for the Xeno but I hope that hey make it so David re-created this which is a better thing.

“… the Alien thus became a reflection of its creator: a physical embodiment of David’s depraved, repressed sexuality...”

Which is to reduce the interesting thing about it because now it is humans making a robot, which makes a deadly weapon. I would rather have the Engineers making the Xeno but at least they made the goo if Ridley does not change his mind about it.

“The creature is the final result of the deranged android’s hybridisation experiments.”

Which is boring, I hope that they change that, they got to in my mind at least.

Big Dave: It is nice from an aesthetic point of view but it is just dumb looking at the context of the alien saga as a whole. Unfortunately it came off as embarrassing. Alright it is one thing if David does that version but I would rather have it that the Xeno would have attacked David which would show its pure survival instinct (no conscience, morality, and what ever Ash said).

Cheesy? That is to describe it too nicely, totally ridiculous is what I would say. I understand that it was to show that David was the creator but it could have been shown in a better way that would not come off as dumb. Unfortunately this is one of the things that just adds to the list of silly or bad things in Alien Covenant.

"Ridley Scott was touching on the Themes of Creation in General."

Alright but he gave David and Walter too much time in the movie at the expense of the human characters. I still do not like that it seems like David created the Xeno. Maybe it is an interesting idea but the result this far is very bad. I do not care about the themes if I can not feel something for the characters.

"But what could be more Dangerous is if True artificial intelligence, Evolves so that AI then goes about replacing every Organic Creature with Synthetic Versions that can be Manipulated and Programmed, rather than use Natural Instincts."

I understand that idea but do not use the Alien franchise for that since it has never been about that.

Steer away from the Alien franchise, no way. One of the reasons why I watch this is because it is connected to the Alien not despite of it.

”… then RS could have carried on with his plans.”

Let him do so if that is what he wants but I would not care a bit. If that was the intent then why connect it to alien at all? Either connect it to alien or don’t but don’t be ambiguous about it.

Yes they need to have the Xeno as a part of the prequels since they have started on that track, I agree. Sure they do not need to overdo the Xenos but I do not want an android in every scene either. I would rather have many Xeno scenes in it and well done human characters than androids for 60-70 % of the movie if I would be forced to choose. My main interest is the human characters, if they get them right then I would not care if we get many Xenos or some more David scenes. Human characters first, then the rest after that – that is my list of priorities. The Engineers are more interesting than AI, that is at least the way I look at it. Give the Engineers more space and less David. To me the android thing is what I find the less interesting when I think about it, mainly became they overdid it in Alien Covenant.

The novelization reference is far from confirmation BigDave. I like to reference the novelization because it shows the thinking behind the scenes (sometimes).

Thank you dk.

"They put Ash on board to monitor things for them and to make sure we followed something Mother calls Special Order 937."

Ripley from the Alien novelization, page 233.

The meeting was a formality for the record so they could collect insurance money for the lost Nostromo and it appears that the Company knew all along what to expect on LV-426 when steering the Nostromo towards the planet.

Stellar find Ati. Thank you so much.

I believe Dark Nebula nailed it with the puffball fungi. Great job.

I agree that Alien 5 should resurrected if it reconciles to Prometheus. The avenues to explore explained above are fertile ground. I really like the idea of following the evolution of the Queen shown in Aliens. I wasn't really excited about the queen until David said he found his at the end of Alien: Covenant.

I think a lot of Novels are based of earlier ideas, that get changed during the Final Production and so i think ADF may not be making stuff up, well adding stuff thats not there, he does with some but with some parts you have to consider it was based on what Actual Plans had been at the time he was given the Material to base his Novelizations off.

Hence the Cave References by Kane, and likewise the David suggesting he found the Egg as it was.

It is kind of hard to work out the sizes of the Cave as we get Multiple Reference Points where Scale is off, the Decent to the Egg Chamber shot is a Matt Painting and so its Scale is off compared to actual interactions on the Built Set....    Even the Built Set we get different Scales due to the use of Child 4ft Actors as they first enter the Pilot Chamber.

So its hard to get a conclusive size...  I will next do what is a likely accurate one though regarding the Derelict where i will simply scale the Derelict to match the size of Kane in descending the Egg Chamber, with the Crew entering the Vaginal Openings to Gage the correct scale.

Few have the credibility to construct a legitimate rating system for the morph organisms we have seen so far. I can't imagine that anyone else could do a better job in this arena than you BigDave. Thank you.

Growth Rate; Lope and Oram's protomorph gestation is hard to reconcile because we don't know how long Oram was out but it certainly seemed like Oram had more time to make it to the Covenant after running across the surface of Planet 4 shortly after making his way out of the temple. Kane had much more time.

I believe that STEALTH was one of the most significant differences seen between XM and PM and shown to explain the variance in the organisms.

The protomorph was washed with Tennessee's jet engines and could be a little mad from that and it could be why we saw such a "wild" morph fighting Daniels on the drop ship.

We now know that the xenomorph is at the very least a product of radical AI and the xenomorph showed an advanced intuition towards stalking prey. And displayed patience in killing prey slowly once cornered (Parker and Lambert).

The xenomorph from Alien either could sense the Nostromo internal systems all funneling towards the Narcissus ship (above) and it's escape pod ability or it smelled where the crew collected for long periods of time and went and hid there. None of this behavior is expected from the protomorph after witnessing it hunt in Alien: Covenant.

I think this is the BIG Question, who knows what Aliens look like, i am sure they exist, the Universe never mind Multi-Verses offer the potential of Intelligent Aliens to be great, i think a lot of the appearance will depend on factors like where they came from, what is their world like, and where do they come from now?

If the International Space Station was to grow in size to be like those Mega Stations we have seen in Star Trek and Star Wars, but there still is no Gravity, and Humans Live on these Stations only, and for thousands of years, you can bet we could Evolve to some degree to be suited to that environment.

If you are talking only regarding those that have VISITED Earth in the Ancient Past, it depends if we go the route of does Ancient Religion/Cultures depictions of Gods, actually based on interactions with Alien Species?  If so then it appears they are very Human Looking.   But other Cultures have depicted drawings that look kind of like the Grey Aliens/Fire in the Sky Aliens.

But also Serpentine, and Insect like Ancient beings/gods too.

Excellent reference Batchpool with "When in Rome." regarding the lavender.

Yes, David paid a little too much attention to his hair and we would suspect that he would not be covered in filth after so much pampering on the way to LV-223. Building on that, David may have used the lavender-like balm himself as to soften the ammonia smell but certainly to prep anyone he could convince to follow him to the egg room on Planet 4.

Also, thank you the 2011 concept art. Amazing artwork and I agree with Ati regarding the relationship to Prometheus' original destination being LV-426.

Thank you for concentrating on the potential underground system on LV-426 chli. I'm leaning toward a cave system setup on LV-426. Especially after the concept work for Prometheus had a similar construction before the switch to a LV-223 and the limitations steering Alien's filming described earlier. We have seen underground systems on both LV-223 and Planet 4. So, if Ripley is incorrect and the ship wasn't derelict then LV-426 is another installation.

Thank you BigDave for tackling this, below.

"I will first tackle the Origins of the Cargo Hold, when working on the earlier drafts to Alien, there was supposed to be a separate Pyramid and Derelict Ship and the Cargo of Eggs was inside the Pyramid, during Production HR Giger had came in to design the Derelict and Pyramid which HR Giger now replaced with a Giant Egg Silo.  Due to budget restraints they had to combine the work done on the Egg Silo and make it appear as if it was part of the Derelict Ships Cargo."

Great stuff. The pilot's chair shown in the LV-223 juggernaut escapes from a recess and rises in an erect position (opposed to folded/compressed start position) from below the orrery. 

This recess below certainly reconciles with the dimensions cited above for the derelict ship on LV-426 and tends toward an external system outside the ship.

Alien Novelization

In the Alien novelization, page 79, Kane's decent is described in detail "Holding himself motionless, he switched on his light-bar, pointed it down. It showed him ten meters of dull-colored metal before dissolving into nothingness."

"Out of breath again he paused in his descent to run a check of his suit instrumentation. 'Interesting,' he said into his pickup. 'I'm below ground level.'"

Alien novelization, page 80.

Yea that would be cool. 

Good job, BigDave. I think that we can all agree on the "cave" being too big to fit in a juggernaut? I would love a flashback scene (if ever there will be another movie) where we are transported back in time to the outbreak on LV-223, and have a glimpse of what happened in the other facilities there . . .

Some folks who played the Engineers on AC shared their photos on some FB group. I decided to make something out of them. Might as well share them on my other topic.

Many thanks to Steve Dibble Doyle for these 2 photos (especially the second one).

My first reaction when I heard the rumour about AC 2's cancellation.

"The more organic quality (Alien Design) was explained by the crew as part of a story point of this creation essentially being a prototype of the original Alien. Johansen said: “those biomechanical elements are sort of what makes it the xenomorph, but due to the storyline, this Alien predates that. Ours is almost like a flayed body — it has impossibly thin limbs, with the musculature and ribs on the outside. It was a daunting task, because it’s such a legacy to live up to. We are creature effects guys, and the xenomorph is the creature.” In the Monster Legacy interview, he also remarked: “the designs of the creatures were to be more animalistic, more raw or primal and far less refined than the biomechanical xenomorph we know from Alien.”

Called it!

Ridley sure likes his sexually repressed androids... First Ash, now David. lol

Thanks for the Share Chris...

I know this is going to BUG some fans, but it appears its the way RS is intending to go, HOWEVER with Disney now owning the Franchise Rights, anything can be changed, but i am not sure they will completely dis-credit what the Prequels have set up.

We have to WONDER if RS was allowed to Continue as he wishes, if the differences we now have will ever be addressed, from what ALIEN showed.

*Egg Chamber Size in Relation to Derelict (if its part of the Cargo)

*Space Jockey Size in Relation to the Engineers.

*Atheistic differences of the Derelict and Juggernaughts

*More Organic Less Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph.

Or if we would just have to suspend belief and just accept these as OVERSIGHTS

But who knows what Disney will do and what direction they will take and even IF David created the Xenomorph Origins, i hope they go some way to EVOLVE the Aesthetic to get to HR Giger Bio-Mechanical Big Chap, and introduce a different Race who are Taller, and their Ships more Aesthetically different to MATCH with what is Different in ALIEN compared to ALIEN: Covenant (Engineer/Space Jockey, Derelict/Juggernaught and Xenomorph).

Really like that Proto-Face Hugger, and indeed it looks like the Super-Face Hugger in that photo, thanks for the share ;)

I have used various other images to try and gauge the size of the Egg Chamber components which has lead me to a Width of the 3 Sections within each part thats broken up to be Between 50-60 Feet Wide, and looking at other images i have estimated the Height to be 80-100 Feet (Internal Height) These are rough Guess work though.

But i would safely assume the Height from Pilot Chair Floor to Bottom of the Derelict has to be 100-125 Feet, the other dimensions are hard to Gauge but the distance Wall to Wall has to be 150-200ft?  And from what we can see the distance from where Kane Lands to as far as the Eye can see has to be at least 300ft but could be up to 450ft? which means the Cameras Total Shot is a good 400-500Ft  and we have to assume the Total Length of the Cargo Hold has to be at least 2-3X this.

The Derelict is not 1000-1500 Feet Long at Widest Point, and depends on the Layout of the Egg Chamber, because if this is  Circular kind of Chamber then the Derelict would have to be 1500-2000ft to incorporate it and then, the Wall to Wall Width would also be way to deep for the Derelict.   Then we have the Height, the Cargo Hold is at least as tall as the Derelict, and looking at the Space Bellow the Pilot Chair its about 100ft too short at least.

I have used various other images to try and gauge the size of the Egg Chamber components which has lead me to a Width of the 3 Sections within each part thats broken up to be Between 50-60 Feet Wide, and looking at other images i have estimated the Height to be 80-100 Feet (Internal Height) These are rough Guess work though.

But i would safely assume the Height from Pilot Chair Floor to Bottom of the Derelict has to be 100-125 Feet, the other dimensions are hard to Gauge but the distance Wall to Wall has to be 150-200ft?  And from what we can see the distance from where Kane Lands to as far as the Eye can see has to be at least 300ft but could be up to 450ft? which means the Cameras Total Shot is a good 400-500Ft  and we have to assume the Total Length of the Cargo Hold has to be at least 2-3X this.

The Derelict is not 1000-1500 Feet Long at Widest Point, and depends on the Layout of the Egg Chamber, because if this is  Circular kind of Chamber then the Derelict would have to be 1500-2000ft to incorporate it and then, the Wall to Wall Width would also be way to deep for the Derelict.   Then we have the Height, the Cargo Hold is at least as tall as the Derelict, and looking at the Space Bellow the Pilot Chair its about 100ft too short at least.