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Superficially, it reminds me a bit of Bicentennial Man just a bit and that is a good thing. I imagine this might explore what it is to be human and perhaps the AI demonstrating more humanity than people? Just a guess. 

It also reminds me to check out Black Mirror.

joylitt

Yes but this looks similar to that episode from season 2 of Black Mirror.

dk There is a scene between Tim Robbins and Jon Hamm that stood out. I kinda imagine what the Alien Covenant introduction would have been if it was Walter and not David interacting with Weyland. And this is not a scary depiction of the AI, we don't get that cliche here. Acting was top notch with no exceptions, and the score was so beautiful. I don't understand why this movie is not getting some Oscar buzz. The director previously made a documentary about Hampton Fancher, writer of both Blade Runner movies, so there is that connection too.

This looks really good. It appears to be on Amazon- no Netflix. Looks to be worth $4.00 though.

I agree that the independent films can be great in that they can take chances without the shackles of profit minded movie studios.

joylitt

And let me guess at least will star MF and something to direct for Luke (not the Skywalker one!).

IndyFront I hope there is not too much AI in your story :-)

red0guy Yep, and that's not the only King Arthur-related flick he is interested in.

Really? He wants now to direct something without an end, longer than Harry Potter? Exactly as soulless ?

I used the Lifeboat as the setting for Michael Bishop because the lifespan of the product make it the most feasible way for Michael Bishop to travel aboard a military vessel and still maintain his secure connection with the Company.

I didn't expand too much beyond what we've seen in the movies and books but I thought we all assumed that the elders visited Paradise/Planet 4, below.

This image above is close to when David's camera feed was separated from the same view seen from his eyes. The image below is my attempt to show a holographic screen like the one shown when Dr. Shaw received her last rose.

This image below with Dr. Shaw is what I wanted to depict happening with Michael Bishop above.

Thank you Ati.

Yes, I've been working on it for a while and will break up the content across trailers, supplemental material, and the final two act film. The actual two acts together should be around twenty minutes with a few smaller films (secret: Fifield's trip back to the Prometheus with black goo hangover) that tie into the newly declassified material for prima donna Michael Bishop.

I really do appreciate that above Dark Nebula. I haven't seen so much from you often...so the above applause really means something to me. Thank you so much for that. Sincerely, it's motivational. 

I'm constructing a lot from a green poster paper background and Photoshop, a cell phone camera, and my NECA figures. I have run each of the sequences that include the NECA figures clearly through the Cartoon filter but it dumbs down the detail of the figures..especially the dog xenomorph (below).

I cut out the xenomorph in the background with zoom. I don't think I'm going to stick with the Cartoon filter because it takes away from the NECA detail. Below, to me, the two Bishops look like A Scanner Darkly. I loved that film but I don't like taking away so much of the figure detail.

This image below is the original before the Cartoon filter. 

Time for an alternative approach. Covenant has already laid the groundwork for it.

Out of curiosity, I searched 'Xenophobia Alien' on Google and guess what came up on the first page...

@ Big Dave

But then again i feel we can explore other Alien sequels that play Parallel to Ripleys Saga but do not have Ripley or cast Miss Weaver in any shape or form.

I certainly feel that this is one way to go.

What to do and where to go, do seem the big questions. So,

One of the things mentioned in Alien was that the company probably wanted the creature for its bio-weapons division. What if we were to carry on with that in mind. OK, so Alien R tried this to a certain extent but what if we can put in a twist to this.

One of the big questions to be answered is how much did the company know about the xeno. Was there an incident that involved another crew discovering something related to the creature, and to all intents and purposes their mission was actually a success leading to the company WY thinking it would be no problem getting hold of another specimen of what they got originally. Did WY actually achieve something ?

Did the bioweapons division have something in mind that obtaining the xeno, or something related would accomplish. Maybe the company had come across a dead facehugger somewhere and thought that was all there was to it. We have seen very little of the workings of WY and I think that could prove an interesting avenue to explore.

Was there a series of events that made WY think the xeno was something completely different? Had any other ships disappeared off the WY radar to reappear somewhere unexpected? And is the coffee the only good thing on any of WY’s ships?

I think there are lots of other avenues available to explore, but it would have to be careful not to become an alternative Star Trek.

Fantastic... thanks for the share

Indeed The Thing 2011 and Alien Covenant both tried to rush and not give more time and money to improve the Effects... The Thing 2011 Effects could have worked with some CGI Gloss over... but the replacement to CGI just did not look good enough..  especially the later scenes.

The Thing Ending as far as Kate surviving... sucked

It however would leave it open for a Sequel to the 1982 The Thing to take care of, because well Kurt Russell is old now and he can only return if they set the Sequel many years latter....

But a more direct sequel could work, if we are shown or hinted that they recover McReady and Childs, and then they also discover Kate, Frozen and infected.

I think we need to look at the Franchise prior to the Polarizing Prequels...  What made the FRANCHISE what it was?

And the Answer may seem....  Xenomorph Eggs, Queens and Human's faced with these Threats... and RIPLEY...

But looking at the gap between Alien 3, and Alien R compared to the Prequels.. its been over 20 years since Miss Weaver played Ripley in any form.... 

*Does a Ripley 8 Clone Age?  What benefit does the Xeno DNA thus have?  I allowed her to Regenerate, but what it cant stop her from aging?

*Do we do a Blomkamp and Ret-con all Aliens Sequels... set a movie 20-25 years after ALIENS where Alien 3 on-wards did not happen..  But what Fresh can this bring to the Table?

Miss Weavers Age is a Problem.. RS said we can De-Age her but that requires Expensive CGI that costs a lot of Money to do any justice.

The only viable Options are..

1) Do a Blomkamp Aliens Sequel, but then where do we go from this? a Blomkamp Alien 4, and 5 (Aliens 6, and 7) would another 2-3 Ripely vs Xenomorph movies not get STALE? Once we start to De-canon Alien 3 and Alien R and they do well, do we then see Disney De-Canon the Prequels and make it a more Alieny Prequels and connect the Ripley Family?

2) Do a Alien Resurrection sequel, where Ripley is going through some changes, she is changing and evolving as the Xeno DNA overwrites her Human DNA.... thus some make up, and different skin tone can hide that Miss Weaver is 20 years older than in Alien Resurrection.

3) Do some Alien Isolation Sequel, set some 25-35 years latter as far as a Movie, that will then allow the Game to be tied in, and allow Miss Weaver with some slight make up changes to play a 50-60 year old Amanda Ripley.

But then again i feel we can explore other Alien sequels that play Parallel to Ripleys Saga but do not have Ripley or cast Miss Weaver in any shape or form.

Its hard to do though... especially if the route RS is taking is that if it was not for the events of Prometheus and Alien Covenant regarding David, and his experiments then there would be NO Derelict or Eggs in ALIEN

If RS wishes to go this route.... then..

We have to explain/show how Davids Creation get Evolved more, and end up on a Engineer Ship that just happens to have ended up on the Door Step to LV-223 which we can assume is NO-WHERE near Origae-6

So we have to see Xenomorphs, but we need to be careful how they are introduced, they cant be IGNORED and they cant be Overdone Popcorn Style.

We cant make this too much about DAVID but we cant brush his role under the Carpet.

We have to introduce the Engineers, but then does this open up other movies to explore them and in what context?   Far away from our System?  A different Time to the Alien Time-line?  Or bring them in close to the Alien Time-line and close to Earth, but then not contradict the events after ALIEN, unless RS had planned to Ignore ALIENS?

"I think BigDave and myself could do just that if we collaborated"

I would be interested in pitching some ideas, the problem is there are so many different ones to explore..  I dont think a Direct Prequel to ALIEN was required, because if people had listened to RS comments on the Space Jockey then watched Prometheus, looked at the unused concept work and read Alien Engineers, then we have enough clues.

*The Space Jockey had obtained/was carrying the Eggs, Crash Landed on LV-426 and then Engineers latter decided to Experiment on the Cargo and this lead to all the Experiments on LV-223 and Black Goo.   A EVENT some 100-200 years prior to the Outbreak on LV-223

*The Space Jockey's Cargo was something that Evolved from the Experiments and Black Goo on LV-223 and his EVENT happened 100-200 years after the Outbreak on LV-223

But with the change since Alien Covenant, its a tricky one.. its a case of NOW will we go the route that Davids Creations, get Evolved and end up on a Engineer Ship that by more than Coincidence ends up on the Door Step to LV-223.  OR do they give us clues to suggest the Engineers had created similar thousands of years prior and thus David just Re-Created it.

Looking at Ridley Scott, he intends to follow through with the Fact that if it was not for David and the Prometheus Mission then there would be NO Derelict on LV-426...  This does not mean that David plays the Final Part in how the Alien Covenant Xenomorphs become those in ALIEN the answer to this could be with the Engineers or who ever are above them... especially if we ask what was the Fascination with the Black Goo and the Mural in Prometheus for the Engineers.

This is very true Gavin, we get back ground information and then things get changed that contradict the previous information...   it appears the writers are not massive Alien Fans and dont really have much coherent knowledge of what is laid down prior.... or they dont care.

I would love to see what this supposed 20 Page ALIEN Bible contains as far as a Guide Book that was worked on during Alien Covenant that no doubt is Ridley Scott setting down a A-Z about what is going on within the Franchise so that Future movies can use this information to work off and not end up contradicting each other.

As far as the whole in-continuity about the Engineers in the Alien Timeline, this is because they was never considered by no one else after ALIEN but the Prequels show indeed Mankind and the Company knew of the Engineers, Xenomorph and LV-223 etc prior to ALIEN

We just have to hope some Movie is released that clears up why it appears they are not known or explored in the ALIEN Franchise... The only Logical way is a CONSPIRACY and COVER UP but the Engineers is the Big One, unless the Engineers are based on Planet 4 and they only have a Few Ships that are away on Business and these say 3-5 ships or less, get eradicated by the time of ALIEN

But then those Engineers could also be out and about in far reaches of Space, Thousands of Light Years away that they have NO knowledge of the events of Prometheus and Alien Covenant.  Only the odd ship that returns after Alien Covenant finds out... and they can signal the other Engineers but who knows how long any signal would reach the others or where they are....

If the Engineers are set up on other Worlds or Galaxies many Thousands of Light years away, they could just take care of Planet 4, LV-223 and Origae-6 and Clean these Places up and then abandon our Quadrant of the Galaxy.

I think these kinds of things have to be addressed as they dont add up to the ALIEN timeline, especially with Ridley Scotts War of the Worlds Comment....  UNLESS we find out Ridley Scott would have intended to do his prequels and get to ALIEN and then do more movies that would remove ALIENS from Canon... because by doing a Blomkamp with ALIENS would allow for Engineers etc to become part of the Time-Line after ALIEN

Regarding the Mystery...

I think they have to give us a Prequel that leaves the Ending a bit Open... so Fans can either think... "oh so that Engineer and his Ship with those Eggs, is now going to LV-426" (well ends there)  but also leave it open that some fans can go "so that Engineer and those Eggs leaves but maybe its going some place else and not LV-426"

We maybe thus dont need a Spoon Fed Space Jockey Event, were we see the Crash etc...  if enough is shown in the next few movies, Fans will be able to see HOW a XENOMORPH can be CREATED while leaving it open as far as us NOT having 100% Proof Davids Xenomorphs are on the Derelict or not.

I think Prometheus tried to give us the answers, just vaguely and RS then commented to actually give some back ground to what Prometheus was doing as far as connecting to ALIEN and told us the Space Jockey Event but kept the Time-Frame Ambiguous so that it was a few hundred years prior or after the Outbreak.

I think Prometheus 2 was to show us HOW the Xenomorph could be created with out actually creating the Xenomorph from ALIEN or showing us the event..  Once you see how something is Re-created then you get enough answers to know how the Original may have been created.

The Source i had appeared to hint towards this.... but alas the backlash for Prometheus, had Forced them to Actually have to Spoon Feed HOW the Xenomorph on LV-426 had been Created, which by doing so meant the Time-Line of this event would have to be changed... which then allowed RS to then think.... ok  WHAT IF David creates the Xenomorph then?

Prometheus had the Clues....   Dr Shaw ===> Deacon was enough to show HOW a Xenomorph type Organism could be Created, but it was not good enough....  so it appeared IF the Source was correct that by Re-creating something similar to the Xenomorph that was closer to it than the Deacon yet not the Original Xenomorph, then maybe Fans would get the Answers....  To then having to SPOON FEED a actual Xenomorph and still some fans dont get it at all.

I have seen some Fans Puzzled about HOW those Eggs got in the Cave in Alien Covenant, some fans who feel those Eggs must have been there for many years..

Because simply Prometheus showing us that this LV-223 place had either been experimenting on and creating the Black Goo from the Xenomorph, or the Xenomorph came from the Black Goo... or both come from some other Ancestor...  But this still did not do.... as FOX felt FANS needed to see exactly how the XENOMORPH in Alien was created/where it came from... WHEN/HOW and it appears during the work on Alien Covenant, it was decided to showcase the WHEN/HOW took place after the Events of Prometheus instead.

When in reality it appears indeed Female Biology was required to arrive at a Ovomorph perhaps, rather than the kind of infection like a Neomorph...... well i think its inferred maybe a Female is needed to obtain a Face Hugger type Organism.

I think the Problem with the Franchise is each movie, the new directors and production added something a bit different, the whole Franchise has suffered from not sticking to any kind of coherent continuity.

Ridley Scott may well be arrogant, he does consider Alien as his Baby and you have to wonder what kind of plans he had for the Franchise after Alien, and how much of this had evolved over the time until work began on the Prequels.

I think the Xenomorph is cooked a bit, you need to be careful and its hard to draw the line to where you can take the BEAST you cant really have your cake and eat it, and so you have to either try and handle it well like we saw in Alien and Alien  3 or give it the Popcorn treatment like in Aliens and Alien R

I think deep down RS had other plans, and while his Prometheus 2 was changed to Alien Covenant and introduced us back to the Xenomorph it was reduced to just Fan Service and a Plot Device, where the Bigger Picture was about WHY would such a thing be created.

I think while Prometheus was very interesting, maybe the Plot behind the Prequels in Hindsight is not the right path they should have taken, but i also think going Gung Hoo Xenomorphs would indeed just Waterdown the Beast even more than the AVP movies did.

I checked out the poll a few weeks ago mind then it was 55% for AC over Prometheus.

I think indeed its a very split fanbase, and i think its one reason what ever kind of Alien movie is done next will not please all the fans, i think regardless of which route they take it would be lucky to please no more than a 3rd of us due to how different the fanbase is.

I way more love prometheus and covenant than any of the other alien films, i love the direction its taken. Ridley schould get complete creative freedom from disney and fox.

I don’t think RS has ruined the franchise, and would rather wag my judgemental finger in the direction of Neill Blomkamp. This may appear to be quite a strong statement to make and no doubt appear unfair and harsh. But there is a difference between being judged guilty and actually being guilty.

So Neill says he is moving on from doing an Alien V movie. Oh dear, what a shame, never mind. But what exactly is he moving on from?

Considering that he hijacked the momentum gained by RS who was breathing some new life into the franchise and imposed his own ideas indirectly into another director’s project which was still work in progress. (Would Neill have liked someone to do that to him?) I think there are a number of other issues that Neill has felt the need to move on from.

Let’s take a closer look at that concept work that had fans drooling and what was contained therein, because it was certainly not just Xenos.

There are quite a number of things to observe from what Neill decided to publish, on his account and under his name. Of course it was no surprise to see pictures of Xenos, and to state the obvious, pictures of xeno’s which Neill would like to make a film about. Having an Alien movie made by Neill Blomkamp does sound like an exciting prospect, but the excitement does’nt just end there. We see a derelict in a hanger, which could suggest that the seed for his idea has come from a storyline that involves someone called Turk who was killed instead of Hicks. Sure enough we see a picture of Hicks included in his plans. So now we are looking at an Aliens part 2, but the piece de resistance that puts the icing on the cake for the whole proposal is the inclusion of Ripley played by the one and only Sigourney Weaver. Well bugger me sideways with a fish knife if that does’nt look like one hell of a proposal.

The moment Neill decided to share his vision with the world was met with a shockwave of interest, which is hardly surprising. The interest generated was in the kind of numbers that demand people sit up and take notice. Enough for someone in the accounts department at Fox no doubt.

Now this does raise an issue of data interpretation. Were the nods of approval at Neill’s proposal just a nod to say fans wanted to see the xeno? Fans do revere the xeno and as such the xeno demands to be handled with respect. Just throwing a xeno into a movie for a quick cash grab does not guarantee success.

Were the nods of approval validate fans approval at Neill wanting to make an Alien movie. I would say there was an element of that, but could Neill be considered something of a household name to justify that level of reaction? Hmmm?

Were the nods of approval fans voicing their feelings about wanting a James Cameron style action movie with lots of xenos because Prometheus did not feature any, and it looked like a way of voicing disapproval against RS ? possibly, maybe.

Or were the nods of approval about fans wanting to see a household name like Sigourney Weaver revive her role as Ripley because she became synonymous with the Alien franchise and everything else looks great on paper? That sounds more like it I think.

I think up to now we have about one and a half movies of what RS had initially intended. As for what is responsible is clearly a mixture of different elements. I would have to admit that it would be unjust to single out one individual , but I don’t think Neill should be let off the hook completely Scott free and immune from criticism either.

With regards to Neill saying he is moving on from Alien V, I think he now knows that silence is golden. I would not rule out the possibility of him doing an Alien movie, just not the one he was intending.

this it s what i like!!!

awesome! you got a product name or does anyone know the person who did the hair styles in alien covenant?

If one wants to see where I think we should go with the franchise (compiled loosely from what I've seen uttered in forums across the web), refer to this.

Don't give up, Blomkamp! True fans of Alien franchise with you!

Remember: the king has his reign and then he get retcon. L0L.

This is the destiny of Alien3 - a movie that never shouldn't have filmed.

Gavin

Well to be fully correct Scott had already directed ads also and Fincher music videos; in Cameron case Xenogenesys is a short codirected, and Piranha 2... thats a joke too.

But did Cameron obtained really obtain 200 mil for Rodriguez's Alita Battle Angel from Fox? And if that is successful as an AI movie, man, Scott will probably be even more pissed.

I'm gonna play the devils advocate here,

Let's look at the filmography (as director) of each Alien movie director thus far, before they made their installment in the franchise:

Ridley Scott - The Duelists

James Cameron - Xenogenesis, Pirahna 2: The Spawning, The Terminator

David Fincher - N/A

Jean-Pierre Jeunet - Delicatessen, The City of Lost Children

Paul W S Anderson - Shopping, Mortal Kombat, Event Horizon, Soldier, The sight

Strause Brothers - N/A

...

Neill Blomkamp - District 9, Elysium, Chappie

On paper Ridley Scott is damn lucky he got the job of directing Alien, with the most "qualified" in the list being James Cameron, Paul W S Anderson, and Blomkamp himself. For the purists who prefer the first three films of the franchise, Blomkamp "now" is more qualified than Scott and Fincher were when they made their installments.

And yet, lets be honest here, Ridley Scott is acting like he owns the Alien franchise. He didn't add anything of value to the script of Alien and was only offered the job of directing Alien because all of Fox's preferred directors had turned it down. The script was written by O'Bannon, who also brought Giger on board, Ash's addition to the script was because of Giler. Hell, Ridley wanted the Alien to kill Ripley and "phone home". Ridleys constant to-ing and fro-ing with his comments worries me

While I wasn't too happy with some of the retconning in Prometheus, there was enough of interest if it was explored further, but A:C, for me is one of the worst movies I have seen, and the reason behind why it was made (reaction to social media comments) is reason enough IMO that Ridley should step down. Fassbender may be the movies best performer but his uber-villain distracts the movie's narrative away from what it should be about - the Engineers and the Xenomorphs. Ridley claims the Alien is cooked. I don't feel the Alien is cooked, because I feel it hasn't been used effectively yet.

In all honesty, I feel Blomkamp is a better visual effects artist than a director. That said though I feel a Blomkamp Aliens 2 would be a much more enjoyable movie than watching David fight some Engineers. Blomkamp's Alien movie may not be the Alien movie we all want, were its realized as the terror we all infer it to be, but it will be a better alien movie that Ridleys which he has said won't even feature the Alien.

Fox's deal was that if A:C underperformed Blomkamp would get his chance, time Fox put their money where their mouth is IMO.

Rant over.

First pages of the screenplay

 “XENOPHOBIA”



FADE IN:



EXT. ROLLING HILLS AND PLAINS - daWN

The first rays of sunlight permeate the cloud cover.


As the plains reveal a SMALL HOUSE by a LAKE, a larger structure is seen on the horizon, a COLONY and ATMOSPHERE PROCESSOR.

ext. lakeside

WILLIAM VIDMAR sits at the lake side, deep in thought. TIGHT ON his hand as it cups the sand.


VIDMAR

(Voice Over)

I wish I could stay there forever, in stasis. But we all have dreams…


FLASH CUT


A WOMAN looks frantically around in a padded room.


VIDMAR

(V.O.)

We all have nightmares.


VIDMAR closes his eyes and inhales through his nose.


The WOMAN thrashes, BEATING the walls.


VIDMAR opens his hand and the sand slips through.


The WOMAN screams, grabbing her head with her hands.


CUT TO:

INT. starship corridors

His EYES flicker open. 


VIDMAR

And you've always gotta wake up and face the music.



An ambience fills the SHIP.

There is no gravity, objects float freely among the wreckage and catastrophe. An event of absolute chaos occurred here at some point in the past.


In different parts of the ship, eerie ambient sounds snake through the ear, and VIDMAR narrates his surreal final thoughts …as his inevitable demise draws near.


VIDMAR

(V.O.)

It all came back to me, slowly, in the back of my head, along with the pain. The rest of the crew, those that had survived …we had a job to do, and eventually, we'd have to face it.


VIDMAR floats haplessly in the darkness.


VIDMAR

(V.O.)

It will never stop. The only thing we can hope is that somehow we can beat it… and we still don’t even understand what we’re dealing with.


BLACK


A backdrop of stars, a planet's horizon comes into view, GATEWAY STATION in the fg.


SUPERIMPOSE: GATEWAY - JULY 30, 2179 A.D.

INT. GATEWAY R & D, Laboratories - Corridors

A MAN in a suit makes his way down a corridor, the back of his head blocks anything that can be seen directly in front of him as he greets fellow company men and scientists. 


The scientists observe a tube, obscuring its contents. As they break the spell-like hold this marvel had over them earlier, the vessel is sealed in a metal container.


PAN TO – Gateway Station, MARINE DROPSHIPS fly by inbound for the station's cargo bay, escorting a much LARGER SHIP.

Ati,

I think BigDave and myself could do just that if we collaborated - but with BD would be willing is unsure. The problem with things like the Weyland Files, the technical manual and some "information" sites is that they add extra information we do not see in the movies, which are THE canon, imo. The infographic about the Black Pathogen is a perfect example, because its data is now mute because of A:C.

Finally some good news.

Good riddance, Neill Blomkamp.

I like it! Splendid work

Can't wait to see it.

In a way, Alien Covenant is truly a work of art. It doesn't do the Xenomorph justice, sidelining it in favor of focusing on David, but it's a great movie. I'd love to see a film focusing on David, and separating the prequel series from the canon of the original films, while leaving it open to being in the same universe like AVP's situation (except with Blade Runner in place of Predator). The Alien series is unique in that way, it is so versatile that it can augment just about any fiction in a science-fiction setting (look at the countless crossovers in Comic-dom featuring Aliens/Xenos as guest stars). 

Wow! It looks promising! :)

If I'm not mistaken it is being made by you.

We need this - we have to survive the months before the official Disney announcement.

Happy New Years, Ingeniero!

Ah, Jesus, so many versions, so many opinions, so many canons, so many explanations...

Everybody is right, and nobody is right!

I've had enough! :)

I hope Scott and Disney see the problem and they will find the way of making an awesome final Alien prequel which will explain and show everything!

I don't want mystery and ambiguity anymore!

dk - I know and like The Thing 1982 as well. I ove its OST! I like both of them. Perhaps it is a scandal but I like the 2011 movie better. The scene before the burning of the creature (which is before the ship scene at the end) is brutal. However, they should have applied the original soundtrack of The Thing 1982 in the prequel. Not only at the end of it...

I wanted to add the piece of info about the effects team and Harbinger but BigDave was faster. :)

Dave writes:

Well it was the Effects team who worked on The Thing 2011, what these guys did was a lot of work for that movie that got replaced by some dodgy CGI, so they set out to make a movie thats similar where they can basically show people...   "look you can make effects like that 100% Practical"

The whole situation is funny in my opinion:

The makers of The Thing 2011 wanted to include practical effects in the movie but they were not satisfied with the result, the effects looked terrible, so they decided to use CGI. But they did not have much time, so they had to work fast. However, I think the important scenes look OK.

Then the rejected effects team wanted to show how talented they are and the movie Harbinger... was created. But it looks horrible in my opinion, so I think it was a clever decision to replace the effects of The Thing 2011.

BigDave is right, the two movie might have suffered the same problem: the practical effect does not work, so they choose the CGI version, but they do not have enough time, so the result is not satisfactory...

Damn...

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My recommendation. An Alice in wonderland / Wizard of Oz style film, with minimal actors set in a Necromicon style greyscale world full of imaginative sets and creepy as hell. If David has to be involved then make him the wizard, but creep us out FFS.