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Honestly I don't care that much about any of them. Ridley's movie would probably be some David crap unless some change is miraculously done which could happen but I doubt it and Blomkamp's would be like another Ripley movie, something that they should have stopped after Alien 3. Ignoring it is a big reason for me to not want Blomkamp's movie since Alien 3 is my favorite in the franchise and a good conclusion to the Ripley saga despite what Sigourney might say. Maybe it is time to let both Alien and Star Wars die (franchises where the recent movie in respective franchise was a failure). This is unfortunate that I got to say it since I like a lot of things in the franchises but they are not doing very well at the moment as far as quality is concerned. Of course they can be saved but then some drastic changes got to be done.
Blomkamp's movie would probably repeat a lot of things (Ripley, Xenos, guns, marines or something close to it etcetera). Some people might like that repetition but I think that it is time to move forward but keep a closer connection to the Xeno and get characters that we care for. Let me add that having Xenos don't make a movie good, we have AC and AR to prove that. The mental image of a Ripley in her 80's with a power-loader for retired people makes me LMAO.
Scott had an interesting idea about the Engineers but got it totally wrong when he went on the AI track. He has some interesting ideas but he doesn't seem to be able to write scripts. To me AC is almost at the same level as AR which I am sorry to say but that is how I look at it.
I don't care for another David movie and Ripley is over. The Engineers are interesting but they got to get them right and I also like the idea of the black goo. No way, I will not accept that David created the Xeno, that is so lame so I don't know what to say other than maybe F that.
The Xeno should have a bigger connection to the Engineers since they look more like the SJ compared to David. Unfortunately I guess that it will be bad as long as they let Scott affect the story.
IRaptus is right about the Deacon as a fan-service but I liked it since it made Prometheus having a clearer connection to the other Alien movies. The Neomorph could be interesting, I think that could be better than the Xeno which we have seen 100 times anyways. One thing that the prequels have done right this far is the new monsters but unfortunately the bad things have a bigger impact on me than the good parts (lame characters and too much about the robots). When important parts are handled in a bad way then the less important things even though they are more and handled better become less interesting so the movie falls apart.
More of the Engineers, less of David please. He had a huge role in Alien Covenant so to reduce his role from that level wouldn't be too difficult. Keep him in the background but let him have an important part of the story if possible but don't feature him in almost every scene.
Michelle is right in her three point list and yes both Prometheus and AC have weak characters so they made the same mistake again.
Perhaps if they would have had better Xeno connections in Prometheus they wouldn't have needed to do that David thing.
Joylitt: He didn't mention anything about an interesting story of characters either. It seemed to be mostly about the money. Maybe he mentioned that but that they didn't print it in the article. What's the point of coming under budget if the story is crap? Who would be interested in watching it then?
Michelle: It wasn't satisfying at all, it was about robots and a mad robot that wants to rule the galaxy sort of. To me it was just another disappointing Alien movie like AVP and AR. Only Oram was written alright among the humans. Yeah the Xeno was only thrown in there because the studio eventually told him to do so. Scott only cared about the robots but I don't care about them. Keep the robots in the background and focus on getting well-written human characters that carry the story for the audience, that would make it interesting. Frankly speaking the direction that the franchise is taking now is shit. My reason for not watching BR 2049 was that it was:
1. Too long (about 2,5 – 3 hours I believe?)
2. About androids and I got so tired of that after watching AC so I thought “well if that is the case then F it, I won't support that movie”
3. A boring topic combined with a run-time that is too long is hardly a recipe for a movie that is a hit so I can see why it flopped. Like I said before I hope that Scott will learn something from it and from AC as well about giving too much space to the androids but he seems too stubborn. If the next movie will be an AI movie disguised as an alien movie, well there are always other ones that I can watch.
Nope, keep it about the human psyche or else I won't bother to watch it.
I will now Tackle Ridley Scott...
I think we cant leave the Franchise in Limbo, they have to carry on with what happens after Alien Covenant, this does not mean we have to directly have a Sequel, it could BY-PASS a 10-15 year period after Alien Covenant, it could even Show us the AFTERMATH and Show that DAVID does not Create the Original Xenomorph, but when looking at how David Re-Created his own Version we have more clues to show us maybe what happened to the Derelict/Space Jockey.
What i mean is we CANT leave it as it is... where we have to ponder, OK so somehow Davids Creation gets Evolved and ends up on LV-426 or Ponder, OK i guess with no more prequels we cant Guarantee David created the Xenomorph from ALIEN nope.... THEY HAVE TO give us a movie set prior to ALIEN that shows the Outcome of Davids Trip with the Covenant Ship and then provide us with enough Clues to either, SHOW/ALLOW us to Determine if Davids Creation becomes the Cargo on the Derelict or NOT
Ridley Scotts comments about Star Wars the Last Jedi do not HELP his situation because Disney could see this as a sign of RS being Egotistical and being a Obstacle to any Plans/Changes that Disney may have... RS is basically saying HE WANTS TO MAKE HIS MOVIES the Way he wants and wont give TWO Hoots what Disney want.
Ridley Scott in the same Interview has shown how he feels he can get Movies Shot Fast.. and i feel here lies a Problem that we have seen in his Movies with the odd lapse that effects certain things due to simply RUSHING something... taking a Quick Route... One of these for Example was the Engineers in Prometheus not appearing as the 10ft beings intended. And maybe attributing to the look of the Planet 4 Engineers.
So i worry RS has shot himself in the FOOT a bit... and with the Craze that we seem to get from Fanboys regarding Blomkamps Alien 5 i think its more likely we could see a ALIEN 5 with Ripley and Queens and i bet if Cameron works on the Project too, it would attract the Fans in masses and potentially make Disney a decent Return.
Before reply to other comments, i can reflect on my RANT lol
To be fair with Blomkamp its hard to say how good is idea would be, there is not much Original about it, because its basically looking like a COMPANY get its hands on a Engineers Ship (maybe the DERELICT) the Ship either has some different and similar Cargo or they experiment on the Cargo to give us a slightly different Xenomorph (which is a bit DIFFERENT) then looks like RIPLEY and HICKS return to SAVE the Day
It would be the same Tropes as we have seen in ALIENS and will be a Fanboy Fan Service, and while the idea of her MERGING with the SPACE JOCKEY Suit is something a bit more ORIGINAL i think this will only be used to basically REPLACE the POWERLOADER from Aliens in a Space Jockey Ripley VS Xenomorph Queen Finally.
This does not mean that the Movie would be bad, just the Plot is not too Original, but if we look at Aliens what have we got? Ripley is rescued floating in Space 50+ years after the Events of Alien and is informed the Company have had a Colony on LV-426 that they lost contact with, Ripley and Marines go to the Colony and find only ONE Survivor and a Load of Xenomorphs and Queens.
Looking at the Plot like that, does not tell the Full Story that actually makes a Good Popcorn Action Flick, Executed very well, Aliens is one of the best Action Flicks you can see.
My Problem with a ALIEN 5 is apart from a Variant of Xenomorph and Space Jockey Tech, what we are looking at is not to different to ALIEN Resurrection. And also i am not sure we should be MESSING with CANON, while it could give us a Alternative Sequel to Aliens and it could work... ONCE and especially with DISNEY they offer a Ret-con to a Aliens Sequel, its a case of where do they STOP? Once we Open that PANDORA'S BOX and offer some Fans a Alternative Sequel to ALIENS what happens if DISNEY think they can then offer ALTERNATIVE PREQUELS
My other Concern is Miss Weaver, as it appears Blomkamps Alien 5 did not directly replace Alien 3 at all, and there was NO Ripley... until he discussed it with Miss Weaver, you can be sure SHE would want a BIG say in how her Character is Portrayed, and No doubt would ask for Quite a Large Pay Cheque it concerned me when she mentioned that she felt Ripleys Ending was not done well in Alien 3 and how she deserved a Happy Ending, despite being the ONE to ask for her Character to be KILLED off in a Alien 3
And so this is the Concern, DISNEY will notice this movie could please FANBOYS and make $$$$ and in Disney Tradition could turn this into a very PG13 Popcorn Flick thats all about RIPLEY and Happy Endings. Thus i think we would get a DISNEY version of a ALIEN Resurrection rather than something more Serious like ALIEN and ALIEN 3
IF Blomkamps Movie is made and it makes a very good $$$$ Return then you can bet we will see a ALIEN 6 and ALIEN 7 etc would Ripley Pass the Torch?
it would be more interesting to see what Blomkamp had in mind before he discussed it with Miss Weaver!
Give us a Movie set after Alien 3 where the Company or another Company go back to LV-426 and Unearth the Derelict, conduct Experiments and give us 1-2 more ALIENY movies that DONT effect Canon, but ultimately at the End would explain why the USM corp in Alien Resurrection have decided to Clone Ripley as the only Source of the Xenomorph.
Happy New Years!
The room lights up immediately (above) upon Michael Bishop's arrival during the Bishop APs review of the connection to the Company archives. Michael Bishop takes a seat beyond the two Bishop APs, closer to the holographic screens displaying the newly declassified material related to his task at hand.
Still shots from the film are seen below.
Waking the Engineer on LV-223 (above).
Bloomkamp's concept art is just fine to me except for the queen pic. The queen looks good but the palm tree, ferns and footbridge look out of place- not alien-y at all.
Ati - I agree with concept art comment. At first I liked it because I like everything alien but then I thought about it and I didn’t like any of it. Juggernaut was too small in scale Ripley and Hicks will be too old ( just as actors alone ) and queen alien looks like she’s running similar to alien versus predator movies. In those movies I always thought the queen was just a little bit to agile. I definitely enjoyed the queen in aliens movement better when it was a real life model and it looked more like Kareem Abdul Jabbar -lanky but very athletic and actually real not a computer. The only concept art I really liked was the new pic of the alien in the ductwork. All of these movies need more / deeper connection with the characters including aliens in the ductwork.
What I don’t get is everyone having a go at Blomkamp’s approach to the film/it’s story and how it would interact with 3 and AR. Literally no-one aside from the people who worked on it know ANYTHING about it - it’s not like the 25 page draft has ever been leaked!!!!
Ati, I don't think it was intended, but after you mentioned it, I could actually see Sir Ridley cutting Blomkamp's head off with it!
Is that a lasersword in Ridley's hand? :)
ScorpioStar - Ha, thanks! :) Such a beautiful start for the new year!
Why can't we enjoy more movies from more directors?
I like Fincher's works very much. It would be fantastic to see his own Alien movie.
You're always welcome, Ati :)
IRaptus - They have so much money! They could give everything... Anything!
However, I should admit I do not like the concept art shared by Blomkamp. I don't like it at all.
ScorpioStar - Nice! :)
Meanwhile, in Disneyland...
No Bush logic here since I am not from the US, my being outside the usual box is far elsewhere, red0guy.
And where is your counter-petition to that?
Don't use George W Bush logic on me. I don't want to see Aliens 2 neither Resident Fassbender.
I knew Scott would have benn the producer (until may at least) not Cameron, and I will require a link to what you say.
And if Blomkamp will ignore Fincher's work, well, Fincher won't mind as he DISOWNED Alien 3.
Blomkampk wants to ignore Fincher's work, by the way...
Red0guy... don't you read the news?
Who's the so called producer for Blomkamp's "Alien5"?
Oh, you just read the headlines, but not the industry news... Got it.
Ridley Scott said he wants no aliens and no horror for the next film. So no bloodbath.
Here is a link for you if you support Blomkamp:
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/neill-blomkamp-for-alien5
Everything that does not end in a bloodbath and is not nihilistic is puerile? I don't think he can bring anything new to the table but neither does Sir Scott with his infatuation with Fassbender, and nothing new will be explained about the engineers, they will only fight David and that's it.
You do realize however that Cameron movies make a lot of money and Scott's prequels suffer from diminishing returns. "Blomkamp is a Cameron turned younger ... and are together", so this a conspiracy now? And the story of Alien 3 has nothing to do with Fincher and he even disowns that movie.
But as many people stated above, it might be a good idea if Sir Ridley stepped aside and let the clowns do what they do best: be the clowns they are, Disney branded, while the rest of us sing, "It's the end of the world as we know it!"
As I am a Sir Ridley person, I'll stick to my guns. If I am to blame my Sir, it would only be because he left enough road to a certain James Cameron to come with his Terminator Alien Style and spoil the whole thing with a useless bug hunt.
David Fincher tried to fix things up, but then "Boo-hoo! He killed them!!! Where are my beloved Ripley/Hicks/Newt?" sort of thing.
Blomkamp is a Cameron turned younger, both of them are predictable - and are together, for Cameron is a Disney favorite. And, guess what! Now their dreams will come true, for Disney is in charge and the guys at Disney LOVE family predictable dreams...
Ridley Scott said the engineers will return, Daniels and Tennessee will live to see Origae 6. Davis is in control of the Covenant with 2 facehugger embryos. I would really want to know what happens next. I am not at all interested in Blomkamp's puerile story.
Why don't blame Scott himself for not sticking to that ending where the Xenomorph kills Ripley and contacts the Company? If commitment to Ripley, Hicks, newt is bad why is not to David (or any other Android played by Fassbender)?
I don't like Aliens (I like the shots from the extend version with the derelict and the silent Sulaco), but to consider that only a mindless bug hunt is a bit silly. It is a critique of gun ho attitudes (as all those marines are idiots, excepting Hicks) and corporate greed (same as the first one). Yes it is horror and in someways bombastic, and a more a more intelligent movie in the same vein is Verhoeven's Starship Troopers.
And in defence of Chappie, it more realistic for a brand new Artifical entity to behave like a toddler than a fully conscious entity whose first interaction with his creator is about death and servitude (claimming he is immortal? how does that work when in the previous movie he was decapitated and without repair he most definitely would have gone offline?).
And repeat myself for you either path (David's reign and fall or Aliens 2) is equally unimpressive for me. the most interesting thing to me would have been to explore a civilization (Engineers) in which individuals willingly sacrificed themselves to create Xenomorphs (explored already in 6 movies, some good, some bad) (as BigDave pointed regarding the discarded Giger artwork).
And what if Scott dies while Blomkamp films his film and fails what kind of victory would that be? For whom would be that good?
And if there's no way around it and Blomkamp is to have the final word due to his connections with James Cameron (who is more than happy with the Disney/Fox deal), I would strongly suggest a brand new approach to the Alien franchise: raising Sergio Leone from the dead to direct its reboot:
I blame James Cameron and his infantile bug hunt, which seems to be so appealing to some, for all this mess. And Bloomkamp is nothing but an opportunist from my point of view. Chappie ("Mommy, mommy!") is a good example of what to expect if he ever manages to direct an Alien movie. Not to mention that bringing all that Ripley/Newt/Hicks stuff back would also require loads of CGI and three strong pairs of crutches.
At this point I would advise Ridley Scott to let Blomkamp do his own film. It would be a sweet revenge for Scott but a waste of time for us all. Blomkamp's film cannot be any better than Alien Resurrection. That's my honest opinion.
daliens Yes. Like you said: no aliens, no horror, no Ripley. Everything should be about a big fat check... I don't think so, daliens. These guys I follow on you youtube said in their review of "All the money in the world" that they felt the movie was directed by someone who is "going to work". That's how I felt about Alien Covenant...
I didn't like Aliens so I would not care about Blomkamp's sequel to Aliens. He can wait...forever.
Let Ridley Scott continue what he started. And please don't give in to fanboys, Ridley. Do it like you said: no aliens, no horror. No Ripley.
Very wise of you to agree with me ... haha.
Goodness knows to your question but here is the thing if you make a cottage industry movie and its huge hit everyone smiles. Then in the next one you throw dollars at it and your whole modus operandi changes. The dollar tale wags the artistic dog. Hey guys we want to make a movie about the origins of mankind. Cool do not put those penis head things in their cooked. Then Neil offers his "really helpful" story boards and half the fanbase start drooling at the mouth. Hey maybe we were about hasty on the penis head so we get AC.
Thats why a very dry financial brain might say lets chill out and come up with something really fresh which is much more genuinely violent and unsympathetic. The kind of difference between the tailors dummy of Roger Moore as JB and the Jason Bourne Bond of Daniel. I hear that Amazon are gonna reboot the Tolkien franchise its odds on that the same will happen to the Alien Universe.
Completely agree w/ Capt Torgo. I walked away from Covenant feeling the movie went nowhere. I do like the suggestion that a follow on/sequel movie ten years in the future and finding David's head on Origae-6 and having him tell what happened would be a good take but honestly the train has jumped the tracks. Its time to move on. I don't want an android movie and I think this is what he is bought into. The Alien universe has been established and there are good and interested directors and writers that can create stories for it. I'm still baffled that you can end Prometheus with the expectation of seeing the Engineers world or something related to them, have it bombed and wait five years for this. I don't like thinking about it since it just makes me upset. And really flute lessons, WTF!
Michelle Johnston I agree on all your points.
I guess the big question is: Just who is in charge?!? Is Fox(a division of Disney)or Disney? Does the old guard still call the shots, with permission from Disney, or are they all reassigned (fired/retired)?
A reboot would be cool...They enter the derelict walking on the ceiling and they have to look up to see the Space Jockey! See it hanging from the ceiling/floor 40 meters above Dallas and crews heads....They might have to climb up to get a better look........*WHAM*...... Facehugged!
No quite, most likely in real life it would have disintegrated on impact, or at least damaged. But judging how the physics work around the ship as seen in Prometheus, anything goes.
joylitt- All the article really says to me is "Get off my lawn".
I'm okay with this.
Questions for 2018:
IF the derelict on LV426 crashed....Why was it laying perfectly flat? It had a 50% chance of being upside down....Or at least at some odd angle. If I was set designer and wanted to show a 'crashed' space ship, I would show the set at a slant, making it obvious to the audience that the ship crash landed. Making it hard for the explorers to navigate the Juggernaut.....(obvious this was 1979 and they were just building a set on the floor of warehouse and weren't thinking about such things)
Why was Ash kept a secret from the crew of the Nostromo?!
I’d like both but if pushed to choose, it would be Blomkamp. He clearly has a passion for the series and the fact he is a ‘fan’ shouldn’t be seen as a negative - it means he is more likely to create a film which will appeal.
As for folk slating Blomkamps resume, each of his three films pulled in good returns in respect of their budget - something Covenant with an established brand couldn’t do. And further more, both District 9 and Elysium were top notch in my opinion. Chappie is the weakest of the three however it’s not a bad film. And in fact, it had the effect on me when watching of sadness that humanity would corrupt and abuse the technology/gift the way they did to Chappie.
