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i did choose the place to live thanks to this movie :) every frame touched my soul .... my favourite part ....when hes alone ...in a wet morning ..eating a tangerine ... waiting for the last duel .... and he and us dont know if he will die or not .... great great movie .... surely in my top 3 movies of all time ( wonder who are the other two... )

the other thing is he produced financed directed and shot the duellists all from the profits of years in commercials and tv an incredible debut i think.

i have never seen someone to watch over me the only film of ridleys i have not seen is it any good ?

Someone to watch over me ,,humm i did watch it 20 years ago ...i remember that evening ...i thought it was pretty solid but nothing exceptional ..not a great cast in my opinion

not a recommendation then frantz .

I have to say i dont have a problem with the recent films that are considered by some average at best. I liked body of lies . American gangster was great in my opinion . recently seen a good year which was ok. and robin hood well its not bad but i was shocked to learn ridley was making it at the time because its been made so many times. and Matchstick men was great.

@dawas, welcome to the broads! Interesting theory! I'm sure that David is going to play a pretty significant role in the film but I'm not sure I'm buying him being the SJ. Simply because as an android I wouldn't think he be capable of carrying a chestburster. But I could be work and it could be that he's actually a cyborg which would make him sort of able to carry a chestburster.

Rick, Thanks for your reply. Plausible Deniability: agree. Simple Economics: Hm. It's not good economical thinking to use an unqualified crew with questionable success chances for this task. Calculating it properly means to spent a little more for mercenaries as crew (ship being the same cost) as to reduce the chance of failure and the need to finance another attempt. So either the company totally underestimated the challenge of the mission or made it sure to succeed by having another ship behind the Nostromo to finish the task. And then Ripley unexpectedly beat the Xeno. Damn! ;-) Regards, Aquila

I still think the queen could birth eggs without those appendages... But even if we accept the above theory, it still doesn't explain why the colonists (and all company presence for that matter) had been on the planet for 30 years and not disturbed the Derelict. So either the company is just incompetent or they didn't know. As an aside, the planetoid is only 1200 km IIRC across so how they missed the Derelict consistently for 30 years is a plot hole, I mean wouldn't satellites have mapped the entire surface and spotted the Derelict. But that's another thread.

You see the thing is we are all aware of the conspiracy regards the company wanting to get hold of a Xenomorph specimen, its the underlining sub-story to the entire franchise. But the thing is IMO there is a second conspiracy underlining the first... 1. Why send the Nostromo, and not a science R&D vessel. 2. Why set up Hadleys Hope, and not send a science R&D vessel. 3. Why send the Sulaco, and not a science R&D vessel. 4. Why send a science R&D vessel to Fiorina 161. I have always suspected there is another conspiracy regarding LV-426, that somehow, in someway Weyland-Yutani is prohibited from directly acquiring specimens from the derelict using conventional means, thus they resort to shadowy, underhand means. Only once there was a specimen beyond that system did WY send a science R&D vessel. That is the question that needs answering for me, who or what is not allowing WY to directly acquire xenomorph specimens in a controlled fashion, and more importantly why the prohibition.

[quote]That is the question that needs answering for me, who or what is not allowing WY to directly acquire xenomorph specimens in a controlled fashion, and more importantly why the prohibition.[/quote] Exactly, Snorkelbottom - this would answer my question, too! Cheers, Aquila

Aquila, Yeah I economics would be good I think they were expecting the crew to get killed and then they board the Nostromo with merc's and a science team. Then too late ship goes boom. Starbeast, Simple, when the nostromo blew the coordinates blew with it. They knew about the location of the moon, but not where the ship was at, so they sent a colony, then Burke gets the coordinates from Ripleys escape ship. I am sure once self destruct was initiated the Nostromo core was purged to that ship whe nit left and the coordiantes were in it and Burke sent a survey crew to those coordiantes to check it out. Regards, Rick

Snorks, Thats the whole thing. I say there was one the in each of the movies as a hidden side plot. How else could a science team and a droid be at Fiorina in a couple of days when takes a LONG time to get to Hadley's (Z-R) and Fiorina is right next door? Remember 85 said they'd be here there in a few hours and they were getting responses back from network really really fast. Thats part of the reason I say they had an R&D team at LV-426 to monitor the colony and tail the Sulaco back. Regards, Rick

I get you really feel for this idea Rick but I dont buy it... Why tail the Nostromo/Sulaco, why not just remove them from the equation and send the R&D vessel to LV-426, upon Ripley being found, to gather a shed load of eggs. IMO the R&D vessel in alien 3 arrived quickly because they sent an up to date vessel able to get there quickly as opposed to an old tugboat or aging military vessel.

You guys are all hitting on the core question that is central to ALL the films including Prometheus, which is: How did the company know of the existence of the xenomorph? That is the single most important question that Scott has to answer, and if he doesn't the entire franchise falls apart. It is obvious from the Special Order that the company KNEW the creature was on LV-426, and they knew what the creature could do. Scott must make that bridge or connection from Promethus to Alien. My theory from the beginning of Alien: The Company selects what basically amounts to 6 misfits to run the Nostromo, a commercial vessel that as Parker says this is not in his line of work. Look at your 6 crew members. A captain who is very weak and just wants to go home, he has his moments of authority but really is not strong. A first officer who is to eager to do everything, it is suggested in Aliens from his record that he was a drug user. He leaps without thinking. A navigator who is useless, I love Lambert, but she is useless. Then two misfit engineers. one of which over reacts and is very impulsive and the other who is a couple of IQ points shy of Jonsey. Then you have the only stable crew member who can think clearly..Ripley. Add to that a robot with his own agenda and the company has what it needs to pull this off. Think about it, individually they are a mess...put them together and its a disaster. I honestly do not believe there ever was a signal from the ship. I believe that from Prometheus the company will find out about the creature. Then the derlict is found on LV-426, the same looking derlict from the trailer. Mother fakes a radio signal to the crew, wakes them up and they go investigate. Interesting how after Ripley discovers that it could be a warning, we never hear of the radio signal again. While on the surface of LV-426, Ash does his calculations, all of that data is transmitted back to earth. The company sets up the false colony on Hadley's Hope for a breeding ground for the xenomorphs and you have Aliens. What no one ever brought up was, how far away was the colony from the derlict? How far away was the "outer ring" as the employee said. We all assumed that the ship was destroyed with the colony, but as Bishop said the blast radius of 30 miles may not have been enough to destroy the derlict. Anyway the company knew all along what was going on, Scott needs to let us know, how the company knew it.

well i think the signal was sent by the remaining survivour of prometheus that could be david or shaw before they are destroyed in a chest bursting sequence inside the jockey suit or possibly the blue guy we assume is the engineer/or affected crew member.

Ok....there's so much to address here, it's hard to know where to start so I think I'll come at it sideways and hope it sticks.... We're reading way too far into all of this...there's nothing wrong with exercising a little imagination, but we're allowing it to run away with us here.... Snorky asked a question that I think answers, in itself, the conspiratorial mess we're all so curious about....and to your original idea @Rick, I'm sorry, but I can't buy it because it's way too involved and it creates far too many holes to fill itsel;f....back to Snorky; here's what he or she posted: "That is the question that needs answering for me, who or what is not allowing WY to directly acquire xenomorph specimens in a controlled fashion, and more importantly why the prohibition?" Now I'll answer Snorky's question with Rick's own words: "There is no way you can go in front of the Interstellar Commerce Commission and your Insurance company in Aliens and say yeah we sent them there to get a specimen and we sent an Android in to protect it. Man the ramifications would be endless." This is all a bit simpler than we're making it out to be. 1 - The Interstellar Commerce Commission's rules and regulations would force the company to approach aquiring any thing like the xeno in a less than straight forward manner. Its Customs regulations would prohibit the trafficing of a hostile organism like that. Having the tug Nostromo investigate rather than an R&D vessel would allow them the chance to "bring back lifeform", as the order suggests, under the radar; smuggled by Ash. Sending an R&D vessel complicates things for the Company with the ICC. Besides, the Nostromo is on its return journey to Earth. Why send a ghost vessel to go all the way out and back with the Nostromo or have it wait for them there at Zeta II Reticuli? They could just land and investigate themselves anyway. And what about the Nostromo is cheap or expendable? That massive vessel, plus the 20,000,000 tons of payload that could be lost? 2 - Whatever happens in 'Prometheus', the Company knows something is out there. Whatever that something is, they're not exactly sure where it is or they would have sent another ship to investigate in the years between 'Prometheus' and 'Alien'. 10 months from Zeta II Reticuli to Earth is a short enough period to warrant something happening between films IF THEY KNEW the exact location....it follows that they don't know an exact location, but it's possible they know a general location or quadrant of space in which the events of 'Prometheus' take place. 3 - Why insert the corporate spy Ash at the last second?....very curious....In 'Aliens', Burke states that "we always have a synthetic on board". It's possible that the insertion of Ash is a covert, company wide roll out of this policy and without the knowledge of its crews; synthetics on every ship to protect company interests, whatever they may be. Also, having a general knowledge of where to look would justify the placement of Ash with the understanding that were any contact made with a '"signal" or evidence of an exact location, Ash would be in a position to act. This also suggests that the clause in the contract, forcing them to investigate "any signals of possible intelligent origin", exists with the Company's assumption that they will eventually be in a position to "hear or pick up" something, a signal...anything at all. 4 - If they did know exactly where to look, then the colonists of Hadley's Hope would have been sent to investigate a Hell of a lot sooner than 30 years in a terraforming project. And if they knew exactly where to look, it certainly doesn't make sense that it would have happened right after Ripley's discovered, right after she gives her depostion and is swept under the rug. It follows that Burke is aware of the corporate secret of "Special Order 937", and now that he knows exactly where to look, thanks to Ripley, he has the colonists look at that particular grid referrence, because he sees $ signs. And also, why would they set up a colony, that massive atmospheric processor and the whole rest of the place just to have it be a rat maze for the infestation of xenos? It's illogical and financially irresponsible. Besides, Burke freaks out when they suggest nuking the site, and not just because of the "new species", but because of the "substantial dollar value" of that piece of machinery; which is the first point he leads with in his objection. 5 - Bishop as spy doesn't track either. If it did, he never would have come back for Ripley and the rest of them once he had the drop ship. He has in his memory, plenty of information about what happened and what he examined in the lab; and knowing that the place is going to blow, there's no reason to go back for anyone, especially the one person in the universe Hell bent on wiping out the xenos that has the balls to stand up to the Company. As to the time alotment he gives himself to bring down the drop ship...Let's see you crawl 140 yards in a pipe that size in under an hour....the 5 minutes to link up?....It's called movie magic or in this case, elapsed time? the 2.5 hours as whole only happens in less than half an hour screen time. It's a pointless nit-pick to suggest he's shaving time on his estimation for sinister reasons. And outside of all of that...with everything he does and everything he says, betrayal is totally out of character for Bishop in this film and would be the greatest covert portrayal in cinema, if it were true. 6 - The marines are not Company agents themselves. They're there as a response by ICC to the loss of communication with the colony having occured chronologically with Ripley's rescue and warning about the xeno. Let's not forget, her deposition is not solely in front of Company suits...you have Company suits, of course, but also ICC agents, insurance reps. and reps. from the Colonial Administration. In light of the timing, they sent marines in to check it out. The Company would be beyond stupid to send a second vessel behind the Sulaco, a government vessel on joint goverment/company/ICC mission. ------------ At the end of the day, if the Company knew exactly where to look, all of the details you refer to, then 'Alien' and, to a much greater extent, 'Aliens' would be so full of plot holes that I think it would be depressingly diffuclt to salvage either in any respectable, reasonable way. All suspension of disbelief in terms plot viability is gone...they would both come off as ridiculous stories.

Also....with such an involved comapny conspiracy...as you've laid out here...why would they ever invite Ripley to come along? That makes absolutely no sense....AT ALL.

I'm watching Aliens right now! Loving it.

Another cool idea RC8, when you do Alien Rez's be sure to include the footage of Weaver making 'that' shot.

i respect Ridley Scott as a director an awful lot, at the same time, it just irritates me as to why he'd replace the original bizarre derelict warning with the generic sounding one that he did when he released ALIEN: The Directors Cut back in 2003 i think the original signal's audio as heard in the first link you posted is genuinely fitting of what we ended up seeing minutes later when the away team enters the derelict the initial audio effects that Ben Burtt did form that particular deleted scene really struck a chord in me when i first saw that scene in the ALIEN Deluxe Laser Disc set i bought back in 1992 i had seen ALIEN dozens and dozens of times on VHS up to that point, and to see and experience all of these fantastic deleted scenes via laser disc was just really great i just wish that Ridley had left the original audio for that deleted signal scene, i think it truly captures the essence of what was to come in regards to the Nostromo's crew, and their awful fate once they left that planetoid but, what's done is done. at least i can enjoy on Youtube thanx for posting these links, they bring back great memories, and help to galvanize just what a truly dynamic film ALIEN is

In my opinion all these deleted scenes make the movie slow, and that s what s the best feature of alien that it s fast development its a long movie but yet it doesn t feel that way.. the only scene i wouldn t delete its the distress signal i prefer it much more than the one they put afterwards

"Stop yer grinin' and drop yer linen! This is for any of y'all who might of missed my Theron/Vickers transformation into a Giger-esque Lady-Alien...or Bio-mechanoi-Diva. Via photoshop composite and airbrush. Hope you likey! ~Neurion [IMG]http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb381/jmichinock/PROMETHEUScharlize-theron-directors-chair.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb381/jmichinock/PROMGIGERTHERON1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb381/jmichinock/PROMETHEUSTHERONBLK15.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb381/jmichinock/PROMETHEUSTHERONFACEHEAD5.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb381/jmichinock/PROMETHEUSTHERONFACEHEAD13.jpg[/IMG]

I love it!!

hey neurion your not allowed to give me a hard on great work very nice.

Thanx Clone 8! ~N P.S. Just between you and me...I think you were the most attractive of all your clones...HA! Some of your sisters...were real dogs. HA!

Why Thank you Neurion lol. Your GIF has got me turned on LOL. Just thought I'd throw that out there. People tend to tell me how hot Clone 7 was. [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111220154128/avp/images/d/d7/Ripley_7.jpg[/img]

@Alteredstate Hey...whatever happens biologically...or physiologically...is not my affair! Whooah! I just like to pass the ideas along... Thanx, ~N P.S. Crackin' me up!

@Ripley Clone 8 That's bullshit Number 8...don't you believe it! Number 7 was a Ragged-ass Baboon...with a terrible figure...bad skin...and fucked up teeth! Don't even trip Baby...you are the Prime "Jonesy" from the Auriga. LOL ~N

That means a lot Neurion lol. Glad someone notices me on this damn ship. My sister clones steal all the opportunity.

GF, You know I'm seeing the referential curve to the derelict in the upper right of the pic. a xeno head in the upper left in the background, numerous egg references through out the painting, the tendrils are very reminiscent of the facehugger fingers, and the what looks like torso's coming up out of the center so remind me of Ripley 1-7 in A:R Regards, Rick

I've always imagined this instrumental by Depeche Mode at the start of an Alien (or not quite an Alien) film. Feels very melancolic and brooding.. Imagine the slow-burn opening credits, emerging stars, planets, titles ship slowly hoving into view etc... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFKzRQ9ayL4

LOL this guy also looks like Pinocchio, except that he wanted to be a real monster [img]http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x368/bipolarestancia/beardyman2.png[/img] [img]http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x368/bipolarestancia/beardyman3.png[/img] [img]http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x368/bipolarestancia/beardyman1.png[/img]

I was just wandering whether it has been suggested / discussed that the head of the mutant guy (jumping off the vehicle) is splitting and under the skin is........... [img]http://www.alienwallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Alien-891x1024.jpg[/img]

I think it has been suggested that the dome is already starting to form at the top of the mutant guys head. To me his face appears to be growing out / or being pushed off by what is growing under the human face .....

That whole article sounds like BS just like these two below are full of. [img]http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s320x320/271124_10150251338453678_533148677_7368173_6895301_n.jpg[/img] OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony

jesus, allah, ronald mcdonald where do these idiots come from.

Do not forget the Flying Spaghetti Monster lol

For a start blade runner is a warner bros owned production recently the rights have been purchased to allow for a sequel but regardless the warner bros company own distribution and they wont allow fox to march on their territory when ridleys already penciled in to make the sequel. This is nonsense i figured most on these forums had more sense apparently not. use your common sense people dont start paying lip service to banal rumours spread on the friggin internet its a hub of disinformation when will you learn anyone connected with any film these days are contracted and sworn by secrecy to keep quiet plot details, you can lose your job, reputation, and get sued in the process and never work in the industry again, so its without doubt utter bs get a grip until its official dont let your imagination run away with you .

@Shambala [i]but are only rumours, in fact so says it this thread in its title and whose only mistake IMHO was to place the words big spoiler…[/i] In my experience some of the rumors may or may not make it into the film, but if some of it actually end up in the movie, I guess it is not wrong to include Spoiler warning. Just being forum-friendly, Jesus! @alteredstate [i]For a start [b]blade runner is a warner bros owned production[/b]...use your common sense people dont start paying lip service to banal rumours spread on the friggin internet its a hub of disinformation[/i] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUPHktx30-c]Damon Lindelof: "...ALIEN/BLADE RUNNER mash-up..." at 0:36[/url]. Not my words, Damon's words, you know, the screenwriter. Also, big companies sanction leaks, rumors, real & fake, to create buzz, hello? Apple does this all the time. Remember the lost iPhone prototype? They lost it ....twice! Get some news coverage, instant sale boost. The stock gained 70 points during 4th quarter 2011. It is the second largest US company by market cap after Exxon. Just an example what a big company would do for a buzz. And c'mon Jesus, this is a fan forum, furGadsake, not journalism, lol!! I love reading speculations, wild ideas, as long as it is ALIEN related. Make me dream about the kind of movies not thought up yet.