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Bishop was made by hyperdyne and David and Walter were made by Weyland so that could be a reason why it's not alphabetical 

I was thinking that the eggs would be encapsulated by a gel-like anti-gravity solution that helps soften the landing should the eggs be fired out of a cannon-like device. Like that stuff from the Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within

Yeah miss opportunity of expanding upon the neomorph

I hope we see more planets with possibly xenomorphs on them but visiting LV-426 again would be nice

By the looks of it this movie will be set in the same continuity as previous films but with no connection to Ripley

@BigDave

I agree 110%

"Which then limits the scope of how many worlds could have xenomorphs"

I think this Ultimately depends on HOW we go from Davids Input to ALIEN. If there is to be just ONE Ship that ENDS up on LV-426 then YES... but suffice to say as FAR as the Movies and Planned (Alien V that was canned) then the Derelict on LV-426 was the ONLY source of the Xenomorph that was Available.

This does-not have to be the Case, if you have Credible ways to Explain as to WHY they had to Result to Clone Ripley for a Queen in Alien R.. there has to be a LOT of Loose Ends to CLEAR.... (Destroy) but that does not mean there are NO other Ships in the Galaxy with Eggs.

"I personally preferred the Space Bomber origin where the Engineers/Space Jockey would bomb enemy planets with xenomorph eggs"

I just cant see Bouncing Eggs on the Surface of a World as Viable.... especially when  we see how Easy it was for Ripley to Destroy them in ALIENS. I have said before it makes more Sense that the Engineer Ships can Dock onto and Carry a Separate Egg Chamber that they DROP on a World... (as in lower it down).

Then Sections would Peel Back (open up) like say how the Warhammer 50K Space Marine Drop Pods do.

"I would image that the Engineer God Emperor wouldn't dress like a peasant he would resemble more of a Lv-223 Engineer with some awesome biomechanical bling and armor like having a biomechanical crown growing out of his temples. Kind of like a Xenomorph Queen"

We have kind of seen this with some of the Comics.... i think it depends on what kind of Route you would take. Placing the emphasis more on Xeno-Conection, but i think RS was going for the Opposite.  The way it seemed to me would be that our Engineers on Planet 4 have a more Ancient Life-style they Shun Technology and Vices like Amish people do... live a more Basic Life than the Corrupt Life that Modern Man do..... it would appear our LV-223 Engineers are Genetically Altered Super Engineers...  they are say like Engineer Replicants...

@idchlife

Welcome to the Forum.... some of what you have gone on about is similar to HOW i saw it going down which i think is NOT too FAR from what we would have seen... The PROBLEM is its a BIT too Convoluted.....  However RS had said we was 2-3 Movies away from ALIEN... a PLOT like yours would take at least 2 Movies (My Idea also had taken that or 3).

So the Problem is HOW do you engage and keep the Interest from the Fans as you see some may want to know more about the Engineers, and David and some would want to IGNORE our David and give us the Darn Xenomorphs already...

Alien Covenant had left us with a MESS because it tried to keep David as a major PLOT and introduce the Xenomorph and well your going to FIND that Hard to do Justice in ONE MOVIE without Sacrifice of David as a Major Character or without Sacrifice the Xenomorph and so the Creator Plot just kind of WORKED... but NOT without UPSETTING like Most who would have seen it as something ANCIENT.

Prometheus had a BOLD PLOT.... one that would have STEERED AWAY from ALIEN, but some Fans would wanted to KEEP it about the ALIEN and seen our Engineers in the Role the Comic Books had shown....

There are Numerous ways the PLOT could have continued after Prometheus... i think many Overlook what RS had said... Creation, Knowledge, Immortality and just look at us having some Giant (not so) Angry Bald Engineers who Create Humans to be Hosts for the Xenomorph.... but WHY...

No there was a BIGGER PICTURE which sadly we wont see anymore.... the Starting Point to the Engineers/Plot we sadly have NOT got to see... Jon Spaihts like Pitch.... which gives us Numerous Clues... but there has never been a Fully Released Version of it... Alien 01 Master Narrative

"I think now the mystery lies between the timeline of Convent (2104) to Alien (2122) and what really happened during that period. Now the third Alien prequel is scraped (sadly)"

It was a Very Tight kind of Time-Line.... what we can pick up from RS was the Following.

*It would have been about what KIND of a World would David had Created. (which does-not mean it would be about Xenomorphs) he indicated the NEXT MOVIE would be less about them....

*He indicated we are 2-3 Movies from ALIEN and by the TIME he Finishes then you would Reach the BACK DOOR to ALIEN.

*He had indicated that the Engineers would Return to Planet 4 and see what David had done and would want REVENGE and be after him.

*He had indicated the Xenomorph has some EVOLVING before we get to ALIEN.

And so it would seem the Xenomorph would have came more into PLAY and Evolved in Part 4 of the Prequels....

The Best solution to this would have been for the Engineers to Discover the Eggs and take them to LV-223 to Re-Engineer them and USE them on Davids world and then maybe Earth..... with ONE of the Engineers Ships only making it as FAR as LV-426.  This way the Engineers go and Perfect the Creation of David which he had Created with the Engineers Bio-Weapon...... David thus becomes the MIDDLE MAN and it Retains him some Dignity in the Plot, yet makes the Ultimate Xenomorph the Polished Creation of the Engineers.

Such a PLOT would have NESTED in between Alien Covenant and ALIEN without any Conflict, because if the Xenomorph on LV-426 has its Origins on the Covenant Ship and David gets to Origae-6 then we are nearly 10 Years before ALIEN....... so then you have Origae-6 and Shenanigans and a Engineer Ship which arrives that then TAKES those Eggs to LV-223 but ONLY get as FAR as LV-426..  within 10 Years!

Instead having the Engineers Return, take Eggs to LV-223 to Re-Engineer then off goes a Ship to find David, and then another prepares for Earth but ONLY gets to LV-426...... which could give us say the LV-426 Space Jockey some 10-15yrs before ALIEN.... but you can make this Hundreds or Thousands of Years with the Destruction of LV-223/Tear in Space and Time.... but ALAS!

I Dread what we have NOW.... Xenomorphs running around a Major City on Earth like within 5 Years of Prometheus is a Recipe for Disaster.

Especially of the Xenomorph is introduced after like 2hrs into the TV Show.

"Scott is one of the reasons why the mystery took some bruises in Covenant"

To be FAIR it seems ALIEN COVENANT is NOT what RS had wanted it was a Response by those in CHARGE to BRING back the Xenomorph in a Knee-Jerk reaction to the ALIEN V that got some Fans Excited and Powers that be then FELT the Franchise... NEEDS the Xenomorph... (YES) but RS was trying to take us away from that as a Separate Franchise/Path.... but ALAS.

When we look at the Background Arc of the Prequels... (ignoring trying to make Connection to ALIEN) then actually having David as the Creator just makes PERFECT SENSE.... it makes it Sinister, and a Ultimate Hubris of Creation.

But this was a RISK as there are a LOT of Purest out there be this that the Xenomorph as a Engineer Creation, a Organism laid by Queens etc... having David be the Creator does FIT with the ARC/STORY of the Prequels but it is BOUND to UPSET and Blindside like 90% of the Fanbase.

Tge END thus does-not Justify the Means...

The Story Arc/Plot of David could have worked if he had Created something Similar but much Different.

LIKE THESE ALIEN COVENANT CONCEPTS (by Rob Bliss)

But then you would have some Fans thinking THESE are NOT the Xenomorph, we want to see the Xenomorph and so Alien Covenant was born out of the STUDIO wanting to bring in the Xenomorph but then HOW do they do that and yet keep David as Main Part of the Plot.... and Hence we got the Plot we had.

For me i think Alien Covenant should NOT have Happened... we should have been given a FILLER ALIEN Movie, be that a Return to LV-223 or a Movie set between ALIEN and ALIENS..... (But NO RIPLEY)..... then RS could have gone and made a Prometheus Sequel that is NOT SHACKLED to the Xenomorph or ALIEN. But ALAS!

"I had to think about what it was about the movie that inspired originally and would I be able to create that for an audience"

I think as they Summed it up.... we have seen the Xenomorph over and over it does-not have that SAME effect as the First Time you ever saw it (regardless of which Movie you saw First). I still think the Xenomorph had a LOT of MYSTERY to it all the way UNTIL we got ALIEN COVENANT.

If we could RE-WRITE the History and Prometheus had NEVER HAPPENED and we had a ALIEN V, 6 and 7!.... what can you REALLY do with each Movie if the Xenomorph is kept how it is.... it would have its Mystery but eventually you would have to EXPLORE this as something that has NOT been done... so the MYSTERY would eventually be Answered and in a way i dont think your going to Please everyone.

"What’s interesting to me is to try to remystify the franchise. The creature, the story, for a modern audience in the way that my 15-year-old won’t think is slow, is the requirement"

THIS ^^^ is a Concern..... in addition to the Time-Line and Setting i am Expecting this TV Series to SUCK! Its gonna be a Teen Friendly Pop-corn Fest!

Hope its not a Power Rangers vs ALIEN.......

The remystify the franchise to me sounds like its going to get us to Re-Think that the Xenomorph came from LV-223, Planet 4... Certainly 100% as FAR as David having anything to do with it....

Prior to the TV-show we had...

*The Space Jockey had Created it.

*The Space Jockey had Found it.

*The Engineers had Created it (maybe Accidentally)

*The Engineers had Found it (unlikely).

*David had Engineered it.

I think it could be a RISK if Noah Hawley wants to throw a Spanner into the Works to get us to Question that ALL of the Above are maybe Incorrect.

I think this has some Potential.... it would be INTERESTING to see HOW this DOES-NOT go and Ignore the Prequels.

I think this must mean that a Weyland-Yutani Ship has been to either.

*LV-426 (2125-2150) maybe.

*LV-223

*Origae-6

But there could be other Avenues to the Eggs, as we have a Time Line of between say 2122-2178, i just hope some Thought has gone into it rather than a LAZY ROUTE.  Hopefully the Movie does-not go and cause a lot of Contradiction or Conflict..... which the TV Series is BOUND to Cause.

"Not everyone will agree with everything. Someone will agree about X and other one will agree about Y, and so on. Just look at the alien-franchise since at least Alien 3, no one can agree about everything if you look at the fan-base"

Well this has been Happening even since ALIENS as some was NOT a Fan of this and it was NOT say how RS would have continued. But ALIENS is a Solid Addition to the Franchise, but after that they all become Dis-Connected to a degree well Conflicting. With quite LAME Plot to Shoe-Horn in Ripley and the Xenomorph without giving any Consideration to Contradiction.

Lets hope that we do-not get any Ripley Connections in this Movie.

Indeed that is from Alien-Resurrection.

Regarding the Xenomorphs in the TV Series, it appears they could be closer to those from AVP (Antarctic Pyramid), personally i am NOT looking too much forwards to the TV Series due to its Time-Line a 2097-2102 ish Time-Line is a Mistake..... a 2180-2200 would NOT have been a Issue.

To me its just a Lazy attempt by Noah to Re-Write what Alien Covenant had set out to do.

Well thats good news. I was fearing it was going to be a reboot of some sorts

Ummmm, I said the Planet 4 Engineers were probably the peasants of Engineer society.

I would image that the Engineer God Emperor wouldn't dress like a peasant he would resemble more of a Lv-223 Engineer with some awesome biomechanical bling and armor like having a biomechanical crown growing out of his temples. Kind of like a Xenomorph Queen.

Yes, I actually thought about that possibility - that humanity is to be hosts for xenomorphs. Did you see some theory on Youtube where speaker notices that Covenant basically === Engineers ship with eggs?

In video it's said that Engineers were created artificially to spread the dying species genome, to help species evolve and exist. Dying species were precursors of modern day Xenomorph.

David merely reverse engineered stuff.

Interesting stuff. It means that there is almost mirrored situation. Engineers = artificial species that transport embryos of their masters, like Walter was overseeing Covenant and human colonists and human embryos.

About God Emperor... I think he was... Killed on Planet-4? The guy in a white robe pointing finger at a ship like "what the hell is this thing doing here?"

If they were humble enough for Emperor to bee a just a next guy, slightly bigger that the others, and not some kind of powerful entity.

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Actually I think I like to think of the Engineers having a futuristic medieval society. It kind of fits them. Perhaps the Engineer God Emperor saw humanity as a failure either genetically or culturally? Alternatively, humanity was breed to be hosts for their xenomorphs. 

With this I assume the soldiers are like the loyal Knights or Praetorians to their Emperor's will and carry out his orders without question. With military bases, especially weapons facilities are supposed to be hidden by design. Unless of coarse we consider an alternative were the Lv-223 Engineers are a rebel/rogue force of Engineers that wish to hurt the Emperor's favored creation?

I was just saying the cliché of the military branch being independent and counterproductive to its ruling class doesn't make any sense.

We can speculate which ways to sunday on Engineer culture and how they run their governments. We just don't know too much about them. Perhaps they are a heavily scientific/religious society where the military is the ruling caste or even the nobility while the planet 4 engineers are either their version of the Amish or their the peasants.

Perhaps the go further up in their society they genetically engineer themselves into a stronger form.

My problem with Covenant was because David was sole creator of the xenomorphs, it made the xenomorphs into a younger species. Which then limits the scope of how many worlds could have xenomorphs.

I personally preferred the Space Bomber origin where the Engineers/Space Jockey would bomb enemy planets with xenomorph eggs.

I suspect that not a civil war, but more like "each institution does its thing but the main principle - do not hurt the engineers, do not hurt themselves". Main ruling institution was sad, but OK with the fact that space jesus was killed. Or space jesus was a special "guest" from more aggressive part of engineers, he was sent to proof that humanity is "bad".

And typical arrogance, "I know how to do this better" thing happened.

Or, you are right and there was a civil war indeed. Engineers on LV-223 could be just simply bombed from the outside. As simple as that. Rogue mission was destroyed by their own kind, different, more official battalion or something.

I mean at this point I assume that engineers are just like humans. Angry, sad, scared, arrogant, etc.

The fact that location was not even checked/cleaned up/investigated by other engineers points me in direction of thinking it was either secret military operation, or they were destroyed.

Rewatching Prometheus again I learned about some new stuff and asked myself about it.

In my fan fiction there is problem with Planet-4. It seems that species that lived in the city on Planet-4 could be actually engineers. With the changing that "David destroyed their own kind, maybe senate, advisory circle, democratic leaders, etc" we can assume that engineers on ship that discovered massacre would be still angry. It doesn't change the rest of fan fiction much, though.

Well, and probably there should be several engineer ships arriving at Planet-4. Management-like one (Egg-like ship from the beginning of Prometheus) and several Juggernaut ships. One of them was sent to Origae-6.

Also re-reading forum topics and stuff I learn that there a LOT of speculation about different parts of the movies. If one would take speculation about murals, visual appearance of engineers on Planet 4, visual appearance of Shaw in Covenant, his pictures etc - my fan fiction can be too blunt.

But I'm glad I wrote it this way, because I took the main somewhat blockbuster-sque approach of those movies and wrote big parts where mysteries were uncovered in blatant way, like in Prometheus (hey space jockey is not a mystery it's blue joe) and Covenant (hey xenomorph is not a mystery it's androids creation). And this script could be filled with a variety details that can leave complementary mystery feelings.

I actually think a real third prequel could introduce us to such level of mystery uncovering nobody asked for (like in existing 2) that we may witness something like "Xenomorphs derived from ancient civilization Engineers are worshipping like Gods" or something like that.

Cool, sorry for the two day late response. I welcome more ALIEN based fanfictions here on this website and welcome to SCIFIED but I have one minor complaint regarding how militaries function.

Militaries often do not go against the orders of their leaders. Also were not sure how Engineer/Space Jockey/Mala'kak civilization work.

What if the Lv-223 Engineers are military scientists as in scientist soldiers? Now I'm not saying they're can't be rogue elements in their military but their entire military can't disloyal to their superiors otherwise the Engineers would be in a civil war.

But other than that cool fanfiction.

Ughhh why does everything have to be fast paced! Fast pacedness kills horror and tension!

I think now the mystery lies between the timeline of Convent (2104) to Alien (2122) and what really happened during that period. Now the third Alien prequel is scraped (sadly), maybe this would actually be a good thing since the Space Jockey in LV426 will always be mysteried.

I still love the David character though, and now his whereabouts is yet another mystery lol.  

In defense of Scott, technically David did not create the Xenomorph as we know it, but a version of it. Imitation rather than invention. Xenomorph origins could still easily be explored without David's influence.

Unfortunately, Scott is one of the reasons why the mystery took some bruises in Covenant. There could be a way to bring back what made Alien good by introducing other things.

As for being fast-paced, I hope that it's not at a ridiculous speed. You got to spend some time at things so people know what goes on, at the same time you can't spend half an hour at a detail.

“Ridley Scott acts as executive producer on the series, so we expect his influence may keep his original intentions for the Xenomorph's origins intact.”

Oh f u c k, please don't let David be the creator of the monster. This makes me worried

Starting to get a little bit exited I have to admit

The JP velociraptors and the xenomorph were always the scariest creatures in movies for me as a kid! Very fun to see a mashup like this.

80's and 90's anime was the best era for Anime, I wished 20th Century Fox had out sourced to a Japanese anime production back in those decades.

Fuck man I'd kill for a series in this style.

That looks like a Resurrection-style xenomorph

Some parts are a little too raptor-like in the body portions for my liking since the human and dog spawned xenomorphs were more subtle with their host parent's traits but other than that its pretty cool looking

Really nice.

Kind of makes me wish there was an Alien animated anthology series like the Animatrix, and star wars visions. 

If only we had an Official ALIEN anime but unfortunately Disney is in charge of the ALIEN franchise

I saw this on ALIEN day

cool, I want to see more bizzare xenomorph forms in a future alien movie

Kind of late with the cast reveal?

I'm working on part 2. Cheers. 

Well done, stick around. It's good to see some new people around here.

Keep up the good work, I would like to see more Alien fan films.