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Good point Biomechanic. I know that the Alien SJ was the jumping off point for Prometheus but I wonder if Ridley wound up taking the story in a different direction. Also, I don't think the SJ ship in the trailer necessarily crashes--I personally think it smashes the human craft purposely and then lands on the planet--it appears undamaged after destroying the relatively human ship.

I noticed that too. You can see fire streaming off of it just after the impact, but after impacting the ground and starting to roll, it looks completely intact. Smashing your hull directly into the ground would be a weird way of landing, that's for sure.

if its the alien ship smashing the "prometheus" then the face of cpt janek is explained :p

[quote]Biomechanic › Posted 12/28/2011 That is weird. If you put "Ridley Scott promises "nasty" Alien prequel in 3D" in a google search it will be the first one.[/quote] I just saw what you wrote BIO and thank you for doing that for me, however when I just tried it I got the same message, if it costs nothing or very little to subscribe I might do it but I did not check, do you know if it does or not? TX for any info, wanna read it.

gotcha, thanks man

To go from the geology depicted in the trailer to the geology of the LV-426 we are familiar with in [i]Alien[/i] in a period of thirty years is a non-starter. IMO, there are three possibilities: [list=1] [*] They are different worlds with different spacecraft of the same class/model. [*] It is indeed the same spacecraft but crashes twice on two different worlds. [*] It is the same spacecraft, but as one plot-line suggested, by means of time-travel, it crashes aeons before [i]Alien[/i], thereby allowing geological processes to sculpt the landscape we are more accustomed to. [/list] Personally, I hate all three, but dismissing each and every one of them leaves only ineptitude on the part of Ridley, which is an impossibility. I'm basking in the intrigue this uncertainty creates!

To go from the geology depicted in the trailer to the geology of the LV-426 we are familiar with in [i]Alien[/i] in a period of thirty years is a non-starter. IMO, there are three possibilities: [list=1] [*] They are different worlds with different spacecraft of the same class/model. [*] It is indeed the same spacecraft but crashes twice on two different worlds. [*] It is the same spacecraft, but as one plot-line suggested, by means of time-travel, it crashes aeons before [i]Alien[/i], thereby allowing geological processes to sculpt the landscape we are more accustomed to. [/list] Personally, I hate all three, but dismissing each and every one of them leaves only ineptitude on the part of Ridley, which is an impossibility. I'm basking in the intrigue this uncertainty creates! An afterthought is: what if the trailer itself is misleading (deliberately or otherwise)? Remember the [i]Predators[/i] trailer where we see the depiction of Adrien Brody's character being tagged by multiple Predator shoulder-cannon crosshairs - I missed that in the movie! Bad sport but it does happen.

If I had to make a guess... 1) I think the eggs are cargo/payload of the ship. I don't believe they are the product of whatever came out of the Jockey. The blue laser mist is obviously technology based. Even though it was added "because it looked cool at a concert", you can't ignore it when coming up with a theory. 2) The acid burn in the floor is difficult to explain. I almost wish they had not done that, and instead found a hatch. But, I'm sure it's there as a bit of forshadowing for what's coming down the pipe. So my theory (trying to make it fit into the observable data). 1) There were three members of the jockey crew. 2) One was infected and released a chest burster who hid out (maybe consumed his host) to grow. 3) Xeno then attacked Jockey #2 and transformed him into an Egg. 4) Egg opened and face hugged Jockey #3 5) Jockey #3 crawled into his biomechanical suit and lifted off in derelict to try and complete his mission, but was chest bursted and caused him to crash the ship. 6) Chest burster left ship or went somewhere else in the ship after the crash in search for food. eventually died off becase the planet is dead. Somewhere between step 3 and 5, Jockey #3 killed the original Xeno causing the acid burn down into the cargo hold. clear as mud!

I'll give you my best guess--keeping in mind the evidence we see in ALIEN and how Prometheus could tie into it. 1) I don't think the eggs in the derelict are a product of whatever came out of the Space Jockey. They are too neatly arranged and the blue laser mist is technology based. Even though the mist was added because "it looked cool at a concert", I can't ignore it. I think the eggs are definately cargo/payload based. 2) The acid burn tunnel from the Jockey room down to the egg chamber is really difficult to explain. I wish they had just found a hatch, but I'm guessing they were trying to do some forshadowing of things to come. So here is my theory in all it's crazy glory. The derelict type ship is a living organism and has a three engineer crew. The pilot wears the jockey suit as it provides an interface to the ships controls. 1) Engineer #1 becomes infected with a face hugger and gets chest bursted. Chest burster consumes host to grow. 2) New Xeno captures Engineer #2 and starts convirting him into an egg. The ship is huge so I'm assumng this stuff is being down in out of the way places. 3) Engineer#3 goes looking for Engineer#2 and find the egg. He gets a face hugger kiss. 4) Engineer#3 wakes up after hugger drops off and either attempts to crash the ship in an out of the way planetoid (nice guy jockey theory), or complete the bombing run mission he was initially planning (not so nice guy jockey theory). 5) Engineer#3 crawls into his jockey suit and starts piloting the ship. He also sets off the beacon before getting chest bursted. Now.. Sometime between step 3 and 5, Engineer#3 blast/kills the original Xeno and causes the acid tunnel down into the egg chamber. 6) Chest burst either wanders off onto the planetoid, or somewhere else in the ship and dies.

I'll give you my best guess--keeping in mind the evidence we see in ALIEN and how Prometheus could tie into it. 1) I don't think the eggs in the derelict are a product of whatever came out of the Space Jockey. They are too neatly arranged and the blue laser mist is technology based. Even though the mist was added because "it looked cool at a concert", I can't ignore it. I think the eggs are definately cargo/payload based. 2) The acid burn tunnel from the Jockey room down to the egg chamber is really difficult to explain. I wish they had just found a hatch, but I'm guessing they were trying to do some forshadowing of things to come. So here is my theory in all it's crazy glory. The derelict type ship is a living organism and has a three engineer crew. The pilot wears the jockey suit as it provides an interface to the ships controls. 1) Engineer #1 becomes infected with a face hugger and gets chest bursted. Chest burster consumes host to grow. 2) New Xeno captures Engineer #2 and starts convirting him into an egg. The ship is huge so I'm assumng this stuff is being down in out of the way places. 3) Engineer#3 goes looking for Engineer#2 and find the egg. He gets a face hugger kiss. 4) Engineer#3 wakes up after hugger drops off and either attempts to crash the ship in an out of the way planetoid (nice guy jockey theory), or complete the bombing run mission he was initially planning (not so nice guy jockey theory). 5) Engineer#3 crawls into his jockey suit and starts piloting the ship. He also sets off the beacon before getting chest bursted. Now.. Sometime between step 3 and 5, Engineer#3 blast/kills the original Xeno and causes the acid tunnel down into the egg chamber. 6) Chest burst either wanders off onto the planetoid, or somewhere else in the ship and dies.

@ Jeffomorph u got a very funny nick....i dunno why but it makes me laugh..... Anyway i my opinion the laser mist was just a cool look back in the seventies when disco came out....i don't c it bearing any kind of significance to the plot....seriously! But i don't mind if I am proven wrong!

thinking out of the (egg) box, (i) Maybe the Xenomorph ("super-male" world colonizer) is the real force behind the transport, (ii) the pilot really is just that... a biomechanoid chauffeur/bus-driver; see the "Battlestar Galactia" Hybrids. (iii) like awakening from stasis, a xeno just happens to get to chest burst it's driver as a matter of course "thanks!" it could be a generation ship too. After having seen so many decades with the "Xeno-biological-weapon-bomber-and-weapon-backfired" theory, it would be nice if the answer was far stranger :) see my other thread , "interstellar travel and evolution". and recall.. we're being told there is a 3rd force in the film , neither Spacejockey, nor Xeno, at play. (my guess is: the species-corrupting DNA itself will be what makes SJ,Alien, and possibly humans too - from that quote and from the quote that we'll "see the xeno but we won't recognize it") I think we all agree if Prometheus is merely a film contrived to end up with a derelict-crashing-with-eggs-and-chestburst-pilot (like star-wars prequel trilogy , thing prequel etc) we'll be disappointed. a tangential-connecting movie rather than pure prequel , we're being promised..

If there is no queen in the RS universe how did the eggs get there?

[quote]If there is no queen in the RS universe how did the eggs get there? [/quote] In the original ALIEN there was a deleted scene showing Brett being mutated into an egg and Dallas cocooned next to him. [quote]I think we all agree if Prometheus is merely a film contrived to end up with a derelict-crashing-with-eggs-and-chestburst-pilot (like star-wars prequel trilogy , thing prequel etc) we'll be disappointed. a tangential-connecting movie rather than pure prequel , we're being promised..[/quote] I agree with you there. Personally, I don't want to see the above scenario played out in any form. I'll be happy knowing a little more about the species of alien is that is sitting in the chair and what they are up to. Friend or Foe, etc

I'm not saying there is no such thing as a Queen, what I'm saying is that in all likelihood the thousands of eggs on board the Derelict were picked up from a planet the Space Jockeys had just wiped clean (because once all suitable hosts have been used up the Xenomorphs would die, leaving behind their eggs).

The whole premise of this theory is that the jockeys are inherently evil. Why engineer such a monster to use as a weapon. I never bought into the idea that the xeno was a weapon. Only WY saw it as such. I agree the eggs on the derelict looked loaded rather than laid. From my readings of Alien and it's basis thirty years ago I got the impression there was never going to be a mother or queen but they simply used their prey to regenerate. So where do the eggs come from? They must be some kind of cross breed between the sj and humans. Unless there is something we don't know about.

I think you can all but count on the the Jockeys ( our creators ) as being inherently evil because I'm not quite sure how benevolent sky-daddies who love us would ever work in an "Alien" flick. If, in the course of the story, we learn that our race is actually the product of evil, highly advanced beings, that raises a host of unsettling issues and ironies. If they're wise and loving, not so much.

I'm just going to put this out there even if it gets all shot to hell. The scene in Alien where Brett and Dallas are being repurposed sort of says it all. If the Xenomorph's rogue DNA is able to resequence and organise any DNA it encounters. If left alone who know's what might have hatched from those "Brett" and "Dallas" embryo's. Now that aspect is exclusive to RS's original film. There were no subsequent colonists being transformed at Hadley's Hope so we can all agree on that. If what is in the Ampules is raw material, and the Xenomorph's genetic material can transform anything it encounters, well you saw how fast a face hugger went through that faceplate and got itself some Kane candy! The ampules would be only a minor obstruction if something wanted to get in there. The Xenomorph applies resin to objects to fix them in place while the gestation takes place. Bacteria can produce acidic environments, intellegent nanobacteria can probably encapsulate and dissolve the ampules in order to get that raw material neccessary to propogate and multiply. The entire floor between the eggs is matted with an organic resin and a network of fibers and veins. I always believed that the Laser Field was to keep the facehuggers IN. Perhaps a last effort on the part of that surviving engineer to contain things. In the end it's all just conjecture, we will have to see what RS decides is canon.

How much weight or impact and influence the deleted scenes from the Director's cut of Alien have on Ridley Scott's finished product remains to be seen but IMO your theory raises that brilliant question as well as some other extremely interesting issues.

There you are Snorky: Hope ya like it bro, I Put in as much detail as possible !!!

Hello !

Wow, awesome post man, was definitely a good informative read.

Thank you Reece, It got erased by the editor applet about 4 times while I was doing it and it took about 2 hours to get it right...so I am being a "Giant Baby Prometheus Head" about it and want it read by as many people here as possible...LMAO !!!

really intriguing post. thorough and well thought out. Great job Spartacus.

very interesting !

fascinating read and cool colourful pictures!..;)

Love it. The Ancient Egypt echoes are great too.

That's quite something Spartacus. Fascinating and intriguing.

The problem with a lot of this is when it comes down to making a film which must be audience friendly in order to make money, most of it gets lost.

Nice job spartacus! It makes sense that Egyptian art would provide inspiration for biomechanical fantasies, since most of it is composed of organic forms, posed in highly ordered, ( inorganic ) patterns.

YEA, I LIKE EGYPTIAN ART A LOT AS WELL...AND IT ALL IS PART OF THAT WHOLE "ALIENS HAVE HELPED US ADVANCE OUR TECHNOLOGY IN THE PAST" THEORY

i was actually just reading that today.....does'nt bring anything new to the table tho?....just more speculation!

I do not ever remember Scott even hinting at this... "Scott plans to delve into the origins of the xenomorphs" Or this... "The Space Jockey we see in “Alien” could be the Space Jockey from this film, living out his punishment at the order of his brothers and sisters because he helped humanity progress too far." But you are absolutely right, and it's all speculation.

interesting speculation none the less!....their has been so many theories....i cannot keep up anymore!....lol....cause the plot could go a thousand different ways!

you said it man and I have to say In way I am annoyed by it, even though I myself am a contributor, and my reasoning is I love and trust in Scott's abilities as a Director. I am also tuned into the fact that every single person that ever works with him says they absolutely love the guy and that he brings out the best in actors in particular. I am aware as well that for every single film he directs he hand draws a story board for every single scene in each of these films. This is a man with an enormous sense of integrity and pride for his work and the work of those he surrounds himself with. This is man who's best primary talents lay in his ability to take the unbelievable and make it believable as well as exciting to see. I am FLABBERGASTED at any possible suggestion that this film will fail to deliver the goods !!! When I read, "if he does this" or "if he does that", "I will be disappointed" I get anxious and uncomfortable inside because these are words that people use whom have a pessimistic rather than optimistic outlook on life in general. And also because it is, in and of itself, an art form, named "Selling a Ticket" to your own depression. They fully expect to be disappointed, where as, once again, I expect nothing less than to be intellectually stimulated and bombarded by some of the most exciting and fun filled images and sound enhancements in any movie to hit the big theaters in the past 33 years !!!

If the Earthlings' ship IS called Prometheus it rather suggests a conscious aim of stealing higher powers on the part of the explorers' sponsors right from the off (and shrugging off the possible consequences). Will the crew be seen to ponder this? "Gee, why'd they give our vessel such a loaded, sinister name? I've got a bad feeling about this.." etc.

Chained to a rock. SJ was "chained" to the chair. I never thought of that SJ might be The equivalent of the Greek Prometheus.

wow Until you just mentioned it, neither did I. I did not see THAT connection. Smart !!!

Agreed Spart! I have faith Ridley will do an awesome job.

And the hole in his chest is where his liver was eaten. Hmmm.