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True. I don't have a surround system (but want one). From listening to both scenes once again they are the same. Other audio differences i have noticed are in the scene when Lambert confronts Ripley. Dallas' dialogue has been lowered in volume in the blu ray. Before Ash attacks Ripley she radios for Parker and Lambert. In the quadrilogy a sound effect has been added each time she presses the comms button. In the blu ray it has been removed and is back to it's original form. One visual change in the blu ray i have noticed in the directors cut. On the quadrilogy DVD as the crew enter the derelict cgi smoke has been added. On blu ray it's been removed and restored to it's original form.

Interesting stuff guys. Sorry about this long ass post, lots to get across but you'll find some of it amusing. Yeah, that's definitely not a mutated person or Jockey in that screenshot, but now that I look at it again I'm wondering what is actually happening. Is she falling over in pain? About to burst? I just think it's sounding more and more like we won't see Xenos in the classic sense. If we do end up seeing them in the movie. I'm still inclined to believe that they're somehow involved. That's one of the only reasons I entertained this theory and emerged from the shadows. I've been following it when I can, trying to make sense of it. Now I think it's very unlikely, and am glad to drop the subject from now on unless there's something solid. But it might be refreshing, new ,and different when it happens, and if executed right (new for the alien series thus far). It's not unprecedented because something similar happened in an unused script for Alien 3. And if Giler and Hill fed Ridley ideas about how to get around facehuggers/chestbursting it's not totally out of the realm of possibility. In the script that features Hicks and Bishop, with Ripley in a coma, the alien genetics/bioweapon are analyzed and altered so the eggs are miniaturized, releasing spores instead of huggers. As you can imagine a scientist breaks the stasis the miniature egg is kept in and a puff of spores is released. Almost all the aliens (all those at the main setting of the story) would have been spawned by infected people in a similar way. They should have just written in that they chestburst afterwards, but their skin peels off and they become a classic Xenomorph. Only, you didn't know when someone would burst and it was a little ridiculous because the change wouldn't occur so fast. They'd literally pop out of their skin and reveal a full grown xenomorph. I think if Ridley does anything at all like this the change will be much slower, and more realistic. Exlained by nanites like some have guess, instead of the facehugger spore being weaponized. We might see small tendons sprout instantly from someones back, but that's as far as Ridley would go. What those writers were doing was playing with the idea that the organism could morph any biological material to reproduce, an idea presented in the deleted scenes of Alien. They made it able to do this on a further microscopic level by miniaturizing the eggs/ facehugger spores or embryos, in an attempt to weaponize it for their own purposes. So the idea is the organism uses ALL the organic material and tissue to fully mature within the person. Can't remember if the queen alien in that script layed eggs that produce spores but i think it did. The point is, I wouldn't be surprised if Ridley took some advice on how to get a new spin on the alien, so that something resembling this happens at some point in the film. Only we would work our way forward seeing the creature pick up a new life cycle, possibly morphing things first. Or collecting victims to morph like in the deleted scenes, infecting with its tail, like an ovipositor. I think Xenos are in it in some capacity, and the goo is involved, but that we wont see the alien in its final form until the film concludes. I'm wondering if the creature starts out biomechanical or not and if they'll go into how the jockeys create this stage of the bioweapon. I think if the creature's explained it will look/act different at first. Rick is on to something about the creature retaining characteristics. All the stuff about the skull showing through was because it infected Cain imo. I think someone said that on the commentary, but I could be wrong. Also people say the sexual stuff the alien supposedly did was because of Cain's memories/emotions. So, they could have instilled the series and the creature from the start with inter-generational adabtability. Something about it changing over generations, and gaining characteristics from other lifeforms through mutations within the film, depending on what it originated from (we see this in Alien 3 big time) could figure prominently. That's why it could start out radically different. With a whole different life cycle... and I'm totally hoping an android or jockey gets hit with the bioweapon. I think the goo infects something in a way the Jockies didn't intend it to and that unleashes something worse on them. That's why I was saying one android may be semi-organic, moreso than the other, like the character in Terminator Salvation. The body would be synthetic, retaining some organs, and with only a partial cybertronic- artificial brain. Weyland company perhaps tested on this individual and other humans to convert to or create synthetics, specifically their android lines cybertronic mind, then ruthlessly wiped her memories afterwards to prevent the secret from getting out. And all the other stuff about androids fits then. And why Ridley is so coy when he says there may be a couple "robots" instead of androids or synthetics, or even replicants. It's strange he doesn't call them androids or synthetics. They aren't simple robots if you know anything about what an android is vs. a cyborg. He wouldn't call his replicants just "robots" unless he was covering something. Even though that may be his sci-fi term specific to blade runner. "Robot" could imply cyborg, android/synthetic, replicant, a non-humanoid robot etc... It's a hint to the first Alien, and that the subject matter will be synthetic heavy. I think in Alien it was the first time those space truckers came across a synthetic, and they don't realise just how human-like the thing is so they proclaim it a "robot". This may be more true in Ash's case, but may or may not be the case with the second "robot" in Prometheus. A lot of this is why people are beginning to speculate the movie will have loose bladerunner ties. Ridley has always imagined the two movies sharing the same universe, and if Prometheus is set in that universe... and a Bladerunner sequel is being planned. Well then I wouldn't put it past Ridley to include some ties. Maybe Weyland wound up with a replicant to get the ball rolling on reverse engineering for their own A.I. If the creature starts organic, it could pick up some of it's biomechanical traits from the cyborg as it replicates the synthetic material joined to bio material. Just something that might work however the xeno creatures function. If, that's a big if, the derelict-looking ship described in the Prometheus trailer is in fact the derelict. Then, what is said about there being a shot of an empty egg silo could be important.

Hate to say it but this 'plot' matches some of details we've heard about the film already: [list] [*]- Noomi Rapace's description of her Character growing up in Africa [*]- The supposed 'Desert' seen in the trailer screening [*]- The giant head we've seen [*]- The 'beginning' of the film is shot in Iceland (It takes place on LV426) [*]- We've seen pictures of the wall markings (from the comic con screenies) in what could have been a temple. It definitely looked like it was on LV426 [*]- [b]EDIT[/b] Also: we've seen a picture of 'smashed up' part of a space ship (lending credence to the crash) [*]- [b]AND[/b] we see Fassbender cry in the comic con footage - is he becoming human? (Its also speculated that the green goo/grey matter on his finger is actually a drop of blood) [/list] This definitely hits the mark in relation to some of the stuff we already know :S

What a pleasure to read, however I am sure Ridley has a vision where he wants to make more movies even a trilogy. What you have done is put a whole beginning, missle and end to the synopisis so I am not sure this would happen but what a great vision of a movie, got me intrigued just reading it and not many things do that. Also i have to agree, why does everyone think about this mutation idea i am not so sure about it. There isn o real avidence to support it.

I think most of this could be true. I hope alot of the story we never hear about until we actually watch the film. That would kill the film for me if I ever knew the entire thing.

I think the leaked plot outline that gave a start date of around 2058 for a discovery that gives mankind coordinates to an alien world might be correct. We might see young Shaw accompanying the discovery team, with her father who could be an archaeologist. This is what some have speculated. Then it would jump forward to the 2070s after the Prometheus is built, and we see an older Shaw who took an interest in the project and joined the crew. You might say she gets captivated by whatever they discover and she spends her whole life dedicated to following up on her father's discovery.

very interesting discover Cain ..that say us 2 things 1) that maybe noomi is really the main character after all 2) we have many characters involved , mercenaries and a quite big crew ( or crews ) ... i hope that will leave space to character development

Well, from the article that I just read, we will see a young shaw in the film with her father. As for the Mercenaries....it's like a monkey wrench being thrown into the working machine. I think somehow they may steal the canister and the Prometheus crew are the ones to blame by the creatures.

I think with the inclusion of the girl playing the young SHAW we will see the family dynamics between her and the parents as aparentely she loses them at an early age. I'm only guessing but I think that is probably the only input to the story she will have.

This is all starting to make sense. Remember what Noomi Rapace said that there are scientists and believers and she said that her character is a believer. It would be cool if the mercenaries were fanatics aginst the corporation and it was one agenda vs another. Cain 1977 great work man!

Thanks man! I kind of think that Shaw (Rapace) will lose her faith when she loses her family, kind of like a Jodi Foster in "Contact". The Mercenaries can do anything and Mercenaries are hired by people, corp's or just one person...so, it will be interesting to see what they are after and why? Perhaps another powerful company.

mmm i think that something like a fight between corporations , fanatics , humans in general will distract from the basic of an alien themed movie , it must be a scif-fi-terror movie not some syndacate wars .

Glad to know I am not the only one having trouble with that...cause sometimes the internet does some trippy shit. Or I`m just tripping. Ghostface I will send you some lucky charms. Cause their magically delicious. SOOOooooOOOOOn

GhostFace is working on it as we speak ;)

Fixed.

Thanks Ghostface.

Yes, thanks.

I hope not ..Bladerunner is a deeply serious movie with deep thoughts about what we are and if there is life after death ( the only difference between us and the replicants ) .. while Alien was a magnificent horror movie but with no deep thoughts ...mixing the 2 things will be atrocious because connecting the space jockeys to bladerunner will be very silly and tryng to give deep meanings to Alien would ruin the overall atmosphere .Alien was a very basic , ground to earth movie with prima fears and scares and for that it did work .

NEVER! [i]IT WOULD COMPLETELY DESTROY THE ORIGINALITY BUT MUCH KORE IMPORTANTLY THE CREDIBILITY OF BOTH FRANCHISES... IMO[/i] GREAT IDEA THOUGH NOT SWEARING JUST BEING EMPHATIC PLEASE EXCUSE THE CAPS.

I think [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_%28film%29]Scott had anticipated doing a 2-part movie originally[/url]. Don't know what ever came of that.

Wow this is a very itchy topic! the two worlds take place in a dofferent stream of time. Dont know how it could be worked. But then again it could work with the off world stuff abd the androids.

I don;t think that Scott will intertwin this film with Bladerunner

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I've always felt that if the crew had frozen Kane, after returning home, they would have had to explain what had happened. Then there is the issue of quarantine. A lot of questions would be asked and perhaps an investigation which I assume the company would want to avoid. With that said take a look at what Carter Burke said to Ripley about certain authorities stepping in giving no exclusive rights to anyone, etc. For all we know is that a small group of people within the company could have been acting out the whole plot on their own outside the knowledge of the rest of the company. Like Carter Burke did in Aliens.

While I don't believe the mutation theory, I wouldn't say the xenomorphs as weapons are necessarily a bad thing. What if they were more like a curse or a plague specifically for humans than a weapon?

[quote]This is the only version I've been able to find. I assume this is the original cut from the film. Its a beautifully creepy sound; I hope they don't change it. Where can I hear the altered version? (Anywhere on the web?)[/quote] That is the original Audio for the alien transmission which was done by Ben burtt (who worked on star wars) Why this was changed for the directors cut i have no idea. I think the original is better. I'll have to compare both the dvd and blu ray scenes later on as i'm curious to see if they have been changed again. I do know that the directors cut for blu ray has had a few audio changes so it might be possible.

OK i've compared both DVD & Blu ray of the alien transmission scene and they are both the same. Only difference really is that the Blu ray version sounds better.

When you compared the audio from the Blu-ray version did you use the DTS master audio soundtrack or the Dolby Digital one? I am going to check to see if maybe the difference is on the fomat being used.

I just just placed the discs in an jumped to the scene. Didn't really check the blu ray sound track to be honest.

Blu-ray discs have more sound channels. If you have a surround sound system, you should notice a difference in quality between DVD and Blu-Ray audio. Plus, whoever mixed the audio on the DVD may have just put the sound in its own channel.

maybe they said 30 years because with that atmosphere is a sufficient time to make a living creature to look fossilized . Also the eggs was still alive and the trasmitter was working so it CANT BE hundreds of years that the spaceship was on LV426 .

My take: It starts in space; en-route to find the SJ's. We find their crashed ship on LV-426 (or possibly landed ship). We find the green goo/grey matter. One scientist gets a little too excited and purposely infects either him/herself OR a bunch of other crew members. The crew mutate into Xenos. Shit hits the fan; people break out the flamer throwers. The SJ's turn up in the 3rd act of the film; shit gets serious. We end up with some horrible Xeno/SJ hybrid. Everyone dies bar David. BUT then that does leave a lot to explain...The giant head for example? How does that fit in? I'd assume it was a monument to the SJ's human creation?

Can also be that the magellan ( or the prometheus ) are what the Narcissus was for the Nostromo . So they can be both part of the same spacecraft .

Where did you hear about the second ship? That sounds pretty cool.

it was written over one of the vehicles on the set "The prop is marked 'Magellan mess deck', which indicates that there may be more than one human space ship present in Prometheus "

Right, the Magellan could be the smaller ship and the Prometheus the mother ship but perhaps was the first ship sent and it never came back from it's mission. It was lost as the public knew but secretly it sent back a transmission the company kept in the dark and thus, the Prometheus is sent to investigate. The Magellan would have the concordance, a beacon sort of where it disappeared off the map.

if it have a mess deck it cant be that small , like the narcissus

I agree. I am going on the theory that this ship is a sister ship. Going out together or went out prior to the Prometheus.

What if Prometheus was not the name of a ship, but was a character instead?

can be also the name of the mission ...btw there are some fonts that say that could be the name of the ship ..one was ""And the ship, which I am told is the current titles name, Prometheus"" this ...