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AlienPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey/Xenomorph Hybrid
Click the trivia link and on that page it states that the film will feature Aliens- Redesigned, larger Xenomorphs. or something like that. So the Xeno's will be in the film, just diferent.
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AlienPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey/Xenomorph Hybrid
Heres what it has on the Trivia Film Trivia Prometheus Movie Information and Articles - Film Trivia | Prometheus-Movie.com - H.R Giger is said to be working on Prometheus to redeign the Alien - Prometheus's title is the name of the space vessel used by the crew in the film - Prometheus is set in space for the majority of the film - Alien DNA is present and will be the main focus of the film's storyline - (Spoiler) The end of the film is expected to lead into the first Alien film - Prometheus will have Aliens - New, redesigned, larger xenomorphs - Prometheus will contain the mysterious "Space Jockey"
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SpartacusPrometheus ForumPrometheus Ending
Here... is EXACTLY WHAT WAS SAID...BY Damon Lindelof It started as an Alien prequel. That is what everybody wanted it to be. Obviously, Ridley Scott has not made a science fiction movie in 25 years, since Blade Runner, so the idea that he's returning to this genre is huge. But there is a real issue which is — what is the state of the Alien franchise at this point in our lives? There has been Alien vs. Predator and all these things, and its been completely and totally diluted. I've always felt that really good prequels should be original movies. And the sequels to those prequels should not be the movie which already exists because, with all due respect to anyone who makes a prequel, but why would you ruin the greatest twist in the history of cinema, "Luke, I am your father," by showing me three movies which basically spoil that surprise. You can do movies which take place before Star Wars, but I don't need to see the story of the Skywalker clan. Show me something else which I can't guess the possible outcome of. There is no suspense in inevitability. So a true prequel should essentially proceed the events of the original film, but be about something entirely different, feature different characters, have an entirely different theme, although it takes place in that same world. That was my fundamental feeling about what this movie wanted to be. Despite Lindelof being labeled as the catalyst for what is now Prometheus, the screenwriter was quick to point out that the ideas are not entirely his. Truth be told, it wasn't script doctoring in the strictest sense because the draft that existed before I came on was written by this guy named Jon Spaihts and it was very good. And there were a lot of things in the movie, Prometheus, which were Jon Spaihts and I feel like somewhere in the media reconstruction of this story, the tale is that I come in, I pitch an entirely new story, and its so original that everything else gets thrown out and that's what we're doing. In my brain, that's not exactly what happened. But I also do feel that this movie is the movie I would want to see as a fanboy, take place in that Alien universe, which precedes the events of the original Alien, but is not necessarily burdened by all the tropes of that franchise with Facehuggers and Chestbursters, and all that stuff that I love... but it's sorta like, we've seen it before, can we do something different this time? And that's the movie that Ridley wanted to make. And when you're working with an auteur, you basically just shut your mouth and listen and try to transcribe and channel the vision of that person, and get out of the way. Lindelof said that he read the script and sent an email about his ideas, and eventually landed the job. I basically sent them an e-mail and said, here is what I think, and here is what I would do, if you were interested, and the next morning... I get the call and they are like "We like your take, can you come in to Scott Free?" I walk into a room and there is Ridley Scott and an executive at Fox and I verbally present, here is everything in the script that I like now, here's some of my thinking on it — what's the lay of the land? What are the issues that you guys are having? And we have a great 90 minute meeting in which I do a lot of listening. Again, I don't want to say I went in and WOWed them, when what really happened was I gave a really short presentation and then Ridley talked about the movie he wanted to make. And then, they decided to hire me. Prometheus reportedly takes place 30 years before the original Alien and, according to online rumors, will feature the classic Alien xenomorphs. We'll have to wait until Prometheus opens on June 8, 2012, to see if that's true. ------------------ So, what I am taking away from this is quite clear...."The Growers" and "The Original Alien" in it's tinniest baby infancy of form were wildly original ideas that are clearly NOT "FACEHUGGFERS" OR "CHESTBURSTERS" and could both actually make an appearance in this film, logic, as well, a massive amount of logic, suggest that both will and do. The truth is... no one other than those working on the film know anything at all, so everything that does not come directly from them is complete and utter speculation.
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SpartacusPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
the 2nd one has been my desktop for over 1 and 1/2 years now. I have absolutely loved Giger's work since I was first introduced to it during the first film and I must say he is not only extremely talented but one of the single "coolest" artists IMO I have ever checked out. I kept the Led Zeppelin Bootleg Album for "Nebworth" all these years and am still seeing new things in it today. I think you are absolutely right. Very cool. I think it's on the ALIEN Remastered Quadrilogy DVD set, in which they included each and every piece of artwork he submitted for the original film.
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FrantzPrometheus ForumPrometheus Ending
My opinion ( and excuse me for my bad english ) Ridley will want to connect prometheus to Alien to mark that the ALIEN thing belong to him ... he surely didnt like the half disaster they did with the sequels ( with the Aliens exception of course ) and i think he will want to reaffirm that the ALIEN thing belong to him . If there are no legal matters of course SO i think the ending WILL connect to ALien i a something concrete way i think the two major endings that are possibile with what we know are : 1) the crew sacrifice themselves to not let the company have the "alien toy" or to not let the Space Jockeys to spread the alien creatures in our world or to not let someon of the crew to carry the alien "infestation" back t earth - this is the bleak ending like alien 3 2) the crew sacrifice themselves but someone escape alive and seek refuge somewhere but not on earth ( very ridley scott ending , i love the fact that usually ridley give good endings not bleak ones that are so cool for geeks but ruin the movie in the long run )
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drogie21Prometheus ForumLeaked space jockey design pics?
@GHOST SOLITARE Thats a very indepth description from looking at the drawings but certainly made me look at the Space Jockey in a different light ha. Liked the idea that they possibly propel from deck to deck and light weight and nimble. Great imagination. Obviously were not sure if these are going to be what the Space Jockeys will look like but they do look brilliant i think. It would great to see something on scene like that. But also horrifing in some way :O
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Ghost SolitarePrometheus ForumLeaked space jockey design pics?
@Drogie21 The really scary thing is that this SJ can't turn at the waist. So if you are standing behind him he has to pivot to look at you. Hopefully he's not the lumbering docile giant that he would appear to be. As for terrestrial physiology legs are generally a reflection of the organisms environment. For instance animals that graze on tree's tend to have elongated lower limbs. A human stowaway wouldn't even be able to reach the controls on a SJ vessel, and more than likely they wouldn't respond to him. Just take a look at the length of those arms and imagine how wide, and how high this organism can reach. With all of these advantages I'm beginning to hope that it is lumbering, and docile. :)
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Ghost SolitarePrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
Okay, so I spent the last evening scouring over Alien and the 03 Directors cut. Neurion you are right. The flames blasting out of the corridor and across the chamber leading to the Narcissus look absolutely ridiculous, they were more than adequete to have crisped any of the crew that would be exiting the ship. Though in the Blueray the switch between the latex Ash head and the real Ash head was much better. I do have a different question though. Considering that it takes more than five seconds for the shuttle to exit the Launch bay after igniting it's engines don't you think that bay is attached to the refinery platform rather than the Nostromo. I've always thought that it was just too enormous. Even in the extensive information on the web. Modified Lockmart CM-88B Bison Transport,LENGTH – 243.8 m (800’) WIDTH – 164.6 m (540’) HEIGHT – 72.05 m (246.4’) Obviously more research is required by me. The quest is often more interesting than the actual find. Let's see what I can find....
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Ghost SolitarePrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
I found this, so I guess that answers my question, :( Like I said sometimes the quest if more fun that finding the answer. The Narcissus is one of two shuttles attached to the Nostromo and is located under the port engine nacelle support. The Narcissus was the only operational shuttle in 2122, as the other one was out of order and in need of repairs. The Narcissus can support 2 people in hypersleep for extended periods. Shuttlecraft Narcissus Modified Lockmart Starcub Light Intrasystem Shuttle LENGTH – 16.3 m (53.5’) WIDTH – 19.7 m (64.5’) HEIGHT – 7.5 m (24.5’)
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Ghost SolitarePrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
Absolute Proof that Time Travel does Exist... I found these while searching the internet for facts about Alien. http://www.magnoliclothiers.com/nostromo-pants-p-442.html It's no wonder Ripley was in her panties in the climactic last scene of Alien, some smarmy, little thief stole all the ships extra trousers.
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Sophie0413Prometheus ForumSir Scott to revisit Blade Runner after Prometheus
i cannot believe it!! the man is going back to do both of my favourite movies!!
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NeurionPrometheus Forum"Why don't you just freeze him!"
You know, it is possible that even if they would’ve froze Kane as Parker suggested, it might have had little or no effect on the Alien Facehugger or embryo. Considering it’s so called prolonged resistance to adverse environmental conditions, the results might have been the same. I have no doubt that the film intended that viewer is to believe that Ash had a fairly good idea of what was going on, especially after analyzing the organism(s) in the infirmary, combined with the acidic blood incident, and the warning signal/beacon. He was waiting for something to happen. You could tell by the anxious expression on his smug little android face during their meal. Although, I don’t think knew any details. Ashes character is analogous to the Doctor Carrington character in the old 1951 horror film “THE THING from Another World.” The same attitude of protecting the creature in the name of science or whatever. Ash had his orders. Neurion
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Ghost SolitarePrometheus Forum"Why don't you just freeze him!"
No arguement there Neurion, he knew as much as the Company chose to make a part of his ORDERS in dealing with the extraction of a specimon. Hopefully Prometheus isn't going to totally fill in all the delicious mysteries surrounding the derelict and the SJ. I'd hate to have it be all about a human transformed into a protoSJ and doing the Altruistic thing and crashing the ship on LV-426 just to save humanity. That would be like slapping a band-aid on a shot gun wound.
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Ghost SolitarePrometheus Forum"Why don't you just freeze him!"
Neurion as you seem to be a long standing fan of the franchise may I pose a question to you. I'll assume you would say sure. Has anyone ever considered the possibility that a xenomorph that gestates in a SJ might be an entirely different organism? Until we have facts to the contrary who's to say that biomechanical lifeforms have very different reproductive cycles. What if the SJ's are incapable of conventional reproduction. If the facehugger/chestburster cycle were a voluntary process in order to further their species and was undertaken at a specified time. As improbible as it may seem that mosaic of H.R. Giger does raise some interesting questions, adding to the possiblities.
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NeurionPrometheus Forum"Why don't you just freeze him!"
@Ghost Solitare "SURE"…I think that is a very plausible thought. Over the last 32 years, I’ve had similar ideas, like…maybe a SJ who gets impregnated by a facehugger with an embryo gives explosive birth to an infant Space Jockey. Maybe that’s what happens when you cross a SJ with a Xenomorph/facehugger. It could feasibly be written that this is their natural lifecycle. Could be that the harmonious and symbiotic relationship between the two is only jeopardized or turns hostile when it is interrupted by HUMANS or something else poking their noses where they have no business. Sort of an alien “coitus interruptus” situation. It is also possible that the Big “Alien” in the original film is unique to cross breeding human and the facehuggers genetics. Keep in mind that I don’t even factor in the events that occurred in ALIEN 2,3 and 4…God forbid AVP stuff. Also, Ridley Scott has mentioned the idea of the SJ’s exoskeleton being some kind of carcass or biomechanical shell/suit. So, its true appearance could be altogether very different. Maybe the facehugger is basically a kind of extra-terrestrial penis or phallus and its nature is to be ever horny for reproduction. It could have been resting/sleeping for decades or centuries…Kane quickened or woke it up…and WHAM BAM…thank ya man! Human males wake up sportin’ “wood” as well…so there are precedents. I like the idea or the voluntary impregnation. Many earthly animals including humans, do seemingly weird, crazy, and even sacrificial shit, in the name of natural reproduction. You've got great ideas Ghost, you and I "park our ships in the same hanger." Neurion out
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Sophie0413Prometheus Forum"Why don't you just freeze him!"
I read some where that the warning broadcast had detailed descriptions of the alien and it's life-cycle and that Ash knew all this going in. As the nostromo computer decifered some of the message it's easy to assume the Company has more powerful computers.
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Ghost SolitarePrometheus Forum"Why don't you just freeze him!"
Hi Sophie413 The state of the derelict ship when the Nostromo encountered it would support your theory simply because the beacon has been transmitting a very long time. It's possible that the signal was detected before man was even able to go to the moon let alone beyond our solar system. Even 1979 pseudoscience for a SF film would have detected any sophisticated power sources from orbit, They knew where to land so either they triangulated the location of the beacon, or detected the derelicts unique alloys, or resins from orbit. I'd wager that the ship itself was biomechanical in origin and that it had a lot more valuable lessons for Weyland Yutani than just the Xenomorph. Putting the obvious aside, we will have to rely on our imaginations to provide details until Prometheus is released next year.
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Sophie0413Prometheus ForumLeaked space jockey design pics?
i dunno Ridley is not in the habit of letting stuff leak, the original movie was a closed set, the man is a serious perfectionist.
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drogie21Prometheus ForumLeaked space jockey design pics?
@Sophie0413 yeah i understand what you mean. I even thought to myself that Ridley wouldn't give something like that away. Was just using my imagination when i saw the drawings and compared them to the stills released from the Comic Con. Maybe bit stupid ha ha.
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Ghost SolitarePrometheus ForumLeaked space jockey design pics?
Even if the illustration has no connection to Prometheus if you look at it from a biomechanical perspective it's quite fascinating. If its a chitinous exoskeleton, much like terrestrial insects. it would be both light weight and strong. The legs themselves could probably propel this creature from deck to deck aboard a space vessel with no need for ladders or other conveyance. It could simply leap like a nighmarish grasshopper. The carapace on the back contains at least eight armored passages that appear to be an atmospheric filtration system. That alone lends validity to the rumor that this is a biomechanical environmental suit. The deepset ocular cavities would be very prohitive regarding peripheral vision, but nature and science both find ways to compensate for any short comings.
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Ghost SolitarePrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
Hmmm, let me get that bluray out and watch that exiting Nostromo sequence. I always thought that if Ripley had disabled the cooling systems for multiple fusion reactors that steam would have to be purged at choke points along the conduits, but actual flames always did confound me. Unless of course she had ignited some sort of gas that is vented into the interior of the ship during the final stages of this Auto Destruct Sequence in order to facilitate the total obliteration of said vessel, she was cutting things a bit close there.
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GuestPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
@Neurion The wizard is actually 1/2 native and looks like Saruman from Lord of the Rings. He is a shaman of the womens healing arts from southern California. How that happened? He must like Tacos too and sometimes wears a skirt. He used to work for the Mob in Montreal and before that was in Vietnam but ended up in the Opium trade...so almost dick chain E. I'm not sure if Ruhaniya is feminine or not. I will look into that...they are angelic spirits but not angels. Angels have no sex but will often appear in the male form. Yes aliens dream of vibrating electric sheep! Thanks for your concern about my health, I will send you some lucky charms. If I didn't have dialysis waiting for me I would not make it to see Prometheus. Been kinda feelin like that large Alien in Gigers painting, wouldn't mind some Opium right now. Cheers!
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RuhaniyaPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
@ Neurion The wizard is 1/2 Native and looks like Saruman from TLOR. He is a Shaman of the womens healing arts of southern California. How that happened? He must like Tacos too! He used to work for the Mob in Montreal and before that was in Vietnam and ended up in the opium trade after the war...so almost Dick Chain Slinky. As for Ruhaniya being a feminine Arabic name I will have to look into that but as far as I know angelic spirits don't have sexes but regularly appear in the Nordic male form. Yes, Aliens dream of vibrating electric sheep and often abduct them. Baadddddddd! Thanks for the concern about my health. I will send you some Lucky Charms cause they are magically delicious! The truth is: If you find the end of the rainbow and all there is, is a dirty ashole and no gold, just take the pot and I have been feeling like that Large alien in Gigers painting. If I didn't have dialysis waiting for me and Tylenol...I won't be seeing Prometheus. oh ya it is masculine Arabic name. I am really wondering about that thing on the left hand side....if it is the teenage sized spawn from the Jockey or something else.....uhmmm? I love black coffee and gasoline! Anti-matter widget on the dance floor! Thems some wicked beats! I Love some tacos too! I would love to have a haram of tacos all mexican ones, You see the more hot peppers you eat, the more tacos you want to eat! Feminine! buritos will give you the runs. Now, Grasshoppers cybernetic backwards read has can You Cheers!
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NeurionPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
@Ghost Solitare It just always seemed a bit lame to me…that “Mother”/Nostromo’s programming would vent “deadly” flame at the exact point in the ship that the crew would have to pass through during an evacuation. Come to think of it…why would ship engineers design a shuttle that couldn’t possibly facilitate the entire crew…only seven members in this case. Man…this is Titanic all over again. Obviously, the minimal capacity was written in to facilitate maximum scene intensity. Personally, I think it was just a bad on-set, practical pyrotechnic effect. I think those flames are supposed to be coming Ripley’s Flame unit…and the effects timing was off. So, I think I’m just looking for some cinematic sci-fi justification…so I can watch the scene with greater ease. Not much we can do about the bogus jerkiness of Ashes decapitated head “jump cut” shot. Why didn’t Ridley Scott fix that during the re-editing of the so called “Directors Cut?” All it needed was one short insert shot. Or they could’ve digitally cheated the foreground Ripley a little more into the frame…to cover the head switch. Ughhh! N
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PlumpenPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey/Xenomorph Hybrid
Just a quick input here...not sure I have read all the earlier ideas, so this thought might be old and useless. Nevertheless, the creature (The Space Jockey) we see in the real Alien flick, is a corpse. One would think it has decayed over the aeons it has been stranded on that oh so remote rock. How can it then be that the sketches we see of this alien in full out streched mode looks exactly like the "corpsed" version??
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IngwarPrometheus ForumAlien Vault
I think I will buy it:)
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RickPrometheus ForumAlien Vault
Its not due out until the 17th. I'm going to see if I can pre-order it. FYI: Hardcovers: $23.10 @ Amazon, $23.56 @ B&N, and Borders website is useless.
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IngwarPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
Yes, they look and I think they are Space Jockeys:) Anyway, nice design for a wall-poster:)
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RickPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
Hey Apollo, That makes sense. I have a question, though. Why would anyone get mad at you? Regards, Rick
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NeurionPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
Hey Apollo, I think that is an excellent…yet obvious observation. At least for “old school” ALIEN “nuts” like myself. I have believed that to be the case ever since I first saw that hieroglyphic-esque Giger painting in the “Book of ALIEN” back in ’79. However, that concept was being developed in the early stages of the film’s production, when the filmmakers were still tossing around the idea of an alien pyramid on the planet/oid. Since then, the ALIEN concept has gone in some different directions. It could be that Ridley Scott and Co. have decided to revisit some of those earlier “origin” concepts and ideas. That could be verrrry interesting. I’ve always been fascinated by that original storyline anyhow. And as I understand it, the filmmakers only deleted the pyramid sequence because of financial and film running time limitations. So, I totally agree with you. As far as other members potentially getting mad at you, I completely understand your concerns. Some of the members on this forum can sometimes behave like hostile organisms. I have experienced it myself. Unfortunately for them, their hostility is usually matched by their immaturity. At least the “Alien” was acting solely on instinct…and was probably only a few hours old.:-) Peace, Neurion
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RickPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
Yo Neurotic where you been hiding man I haven't seen you on here in a while? You must bee getting some lessons from the "bugs". Are you sure it was solely instinctual?
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NeurionPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
Hey Rick, Well I guess I just got kind of bored of a lot of the same ol’ questions and responses. Ya know? Folks bringing up, or churning up stuff that…in my opinion had already been put to rest…or something like that. Also, SOME smart assey, neo-fans talkin’ outta their whiney, alien orifices eventually becomes tiresome…even for an ol’ ALIEN addict, born in the “Summer of love,” Space-dog like Yours Truly. As far as “instinct” goes…who knows. Maybe the “Big Chap” has a lot more to IT than just instinct. After all, from what I read, Ridley Scott originally wanted the “Alien” to start speaking on the radio after decapitating our favorite warrant officer in first flick. One never knows… Neurion P.S. Good to hear from you Rick
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RuhaniyaPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
So the first stage of the alien life cycle comes from the comic belly button of a really large biomorphically crucified egyptian God Alien pierced by a pyramid temple with an eye on top? Or maybe it works from the bottom where the word Alien is and that butt with the guts pull out under the sacrificed Jockey (Who are Pawns...Willing?) and that creepy thing by the body to the left that might be another alien. What I really think is interesting is the cryptic alien writing that looks like squiggly worms surrounding a prism of Giger Tubes. Magically delicious death metal hellfire paradise! especially that hit of Lsd that looks like Neurions pick it is was shall be.
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NeurionPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
Hello fellow ALIEN enthusiasts, I hope this is an appropriate forum in which to pose this question. This question has “stuck in my craw” for a long time. Near the end of the original ALIEN film, Ripley is climbing into the shuttle craft ‘Narcissus’ from the ‘Nostromo.’ She’s carrying Jones in the cat box and a flamethrower. She chucks the cat box into the shuttle and before she closes the hatch, she turns to fire a few bursts from her flamethrower…back into the ‘Nostromo,’ presumably to hold off the Alien. Just before she closes the hatch, it appears that there are a few bursts of flame emitting from the ‘Nostromo’…toward Ripley. The bursts of flame continue, and are visible through hatch/port window after the hatch is closed. Does anybody else notice this?…I assume so. It “bugs” me every time…and that’s a lot of times (probably too many). So, I guess my questions are: Is this a “no brainer”…just a botched flamethrower special effect? Was it intentional? Is it just supposed to be a normal part of the ‘Nostromo’s’ self destruct sequence? OR am I just “seeing things?” I’m interested in your input. Peace, Neurion
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GuestPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
Ahhhh…It’s nice to be back. The Adventures of Neurion in Acheronland…where logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead. And Ruhaniya is talking backwards…and the Dread Queen’s “off with her head!” PROMETHEUS: “Eat me…drink me…” GREAT EAGLE: “magically delicious…in need” NEURION: Six feet is a very good height indeed, ...and now back to PROMETHEUS and these "happy summer days."
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NeurionPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
Ahhhh…It’s nice to be back to "The Adventures of Neurion in Acheronland"…where logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead. And Ruhaniya is talking backwards…and the Dread Queen’s “off with her head!” PROMETHEUS: “Eat me…drink me…” GREAT EAGLE: “magically delicious…in need” NEURION: "Six feet is a very good height indeed!" ...and now on to "PROMETHEUS" and what's left of these "happy summer days."
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RuhaniyaPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
Oh crap Neurion I hope your not reading what i say backwards...i tried that once but ended up in the hospital like that Mayan astronaut who smoke some salvia divanorum and saw the hands Sheva stacking flames into a pit pyramid and when it got to the last one it was the end of summer. (Endless Prometheus Rave Techno begins...while strapped into your space jockey chair and space drugs are pumped into your brain)
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NeurionPrometheus ForumSpace Jockey Evidence before our eyes !!!
Well Ruhaniya, I do have to read it backwards sometimes. And I’m not much of an herb guy…I’m a Bushmills Black Bush Irish Whiskey man myself. Of course, I wouldn’t mind givin’ that Weylan Yutani Aspen Beer onboard the Nostromo a shot. I usually don’t drink domestics, but I could make an exception. Besides, I don’t believe in Mayan or Mesoamerican superstition any way. Oh well, if I’m wrong none of us will be around after December 21, 2012 to debate it anyhow. Peace, Neurion
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