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THE WHERE

Interstellar space is mentioned in the book (p. 47) as Tennessee and Ankor leave the service lock.  Still, we don’t know how much time has passed since the particle storm to when all the crew meat on the bridge and then when two crew members exit the service lock.  I think we do know that enough time has passed to direct a ship, as you say, traveling at light speed to fly into interstellar space.  I am sure if they were close to some stars that they wouldn’t be to close.  They would probably be close to interstellar space for safety from flares and CME’s or whatever could be in a system that far in deep space.  We do know that in the novel, right before the particle strike, Walter is heading towards the bridge.  Then, when the crew finishes entering the bridge, Walter speaks.  From the novel, we are led to believe that Walter never left the bridge.  The Covenant could have been within striking range of a super massive solar flare from a misunderstood area of the galaxy than directed the ship away from any other possible flares into interstellar space before the meeting commences on the bridge.  A solar flare the struck the Covenant could easily have been a flare far larger than anything our own Sun could produce.  I mentioned an example in a previous post on this thread.  David could’ve tampered with the Covenant flight path research so that the event would be unexpected to Mother and the crew.

THE MOTIVES

David has been very busy on “Paradise”.  He apparently created an exact replica of the Engineers facehugger eggs (as can be deducted in the novel).  The problem is that there are no more living things to experiment on and to enjoy what he made.  He seems like he might try and make friends with the almighty Xenomorph.  He tried with the Neomorph and as far as we know, David was building a positive relationship with it until Oram killed it.  David lost his mind when Oram shot that Neomorph! (In the novel, we get to really understand how upset David was over the dead Neomorph)

David is also on planet that no human would ever think to travel too (apparently because of the gravitational interference in the area).  After the attack, there were no signs of other Engineers visiting the planet.  That means around 10 years have passed or some less with no one ever appearing that could take David off of “Paradise”.  Unless David looked in to the “Paradise” Engineers records of who comes in and out of “Paradise” and if they do that regularly, he would have no idea if he would ever be saved.  On page 190, David says, “When the people of this society realized what was happening, they disabled all their ships to prevent any chance of the virus spreading beyond this world.  Thus I’ve been marooned here, these many years.  Crusoe on his island.”  There is another thing David says somewhere else in the novel that gives the idea that he does not like being stuck on “Paradise” either.  I guess other Engineers could’ve came in wearing some kind of bio-protection suits to keep the virus off of them like we humans do in radioactive areas, but apparently the Engineers consider “Paradise” a wasteland that should never be visited again.  As David has said, the black goo remains dormant and undetected when there is no more life to infect and can do so for a long time, if not forever.  Even if Engineers did show up, they wouldn’t treat David with kindness.  That’s all the more motive for David to get off of “Paradise” as soon as possible.

THE POWER

The David we know is the personal David of Peter Weyland.  We know David has been with Weyland for a long time when we compare how he looks at the end of Prometheus and at the beginning of Alien: Covenant.  Peter Weyland called David in Prometheus “the closest thing he has to a son.”  He also said “David will never die.”  I think for Peter Weyland to state the obvious point that androids will never die makes me think that Weyland thinks about that a lot, or at least thought about it enough in the past where he made a decision based on the fact that David will never die.  So, why wouldn’t David inherit some form of Weylands’ business?  I see he would do that as a backup plan just in case he doesn’t get to live forever.  If you can’t live forever in the flesh, why not live forever through someone, or something?  David does say in Prometheus that “he will be free once Weyland dies.”  This could still be true because Weyland could give him a task to do but give him the freedom on how and when he does it.  I think Weyland thinks David is smart enough to figure it out, but I guess David could just disobey.  There would be no one around to tell him he is wrong.  I am sure if David disobeyed Weyland while he was still alive, Weyland would hunt him down and switch him off (or reprogram him).  I do wonder how Weyland handled his possessions in his will.  I am sure a man with as much power and ego as Weyland, would have made a will.  I wouldn’t be surprised if David was in the will or would receive something from the will.  I doubt Weyland would want to pass down David to another individual.

I am sure the David we know has, or had, special access provided by Weyland for David.  He probably needed it to help Weyland with things.  What David could do with the Weyland Co. may not be very useful to run the business, but it may have been enough for David to interfere with the Covenant mission.  This special access could have possibly avoided cancellation since Weyland was abruptly killed.  We could assume he has some power relating to who is in charge of things on the Earth company Weyland Corp.  Vickers could be an example.  In Prometheus, Vickers asked David, “What did he say?”  The second time she was very abusive about it.  Why couldn’t she just ask Weyland, her father, what he said to David?  Maybe because David has special access to Weyland and possibly even things in the Weyland Co.  Mother did accept his security codes.  Why would he even have them?  David wouldn’t be put on the Covenant mission?  Are these special rights of Weyland Co. provided for David and is Mother a helper of David?  This could be the case.

THE COINCIDENCES

David lands on another civilizations planet in “who know’s where” in the universe.  Humans have never found life off of Earth until the Prometheus mission.  That mission had problems and most of the crew died, so I wouldn’t be surprised if nobody on Earth heard about it except a few at Weyland Co.  Weyland would probably want it that way too.  Somehow “Paradise” couldn’t be found by humans from Earth or from colonies close to Earth.  Well, David goes to that planet and ends up being stranded there.  Then, a massive ship carrying around 2,000 hypersleeping colonists flies nearby on the way to another habitable planet that they are going to colonize.  They then hear a signal from a lost crew member of the Prometheus (Shaw) which repeats over and over again playing absolute nonsense.  If Shaw wanted to send something, I am sure she wouldn’t send that.  The only other reason could be is that it started playing because the ship was damaged during the crash, unless David sent the best recording he could find to attract the Covenant.  All of this happens in less than 10 years after the Prometheus mission.  We don’t know how long it took to fly to “Paradise”, so it seems once David knew what he was going to do on “Paradise”, he could have decided to interfere with the Covenant mission.  The timing is just long enough for David to interfere, but to short to just be a random coincidence to me.

WHAT STARTED THE THEORY (WHAT I REMEMBER IN THE MOVIE)

               I specifically remember hearing solar flare once in the movie and maybe even twice.  One of those times could’ve been me hearing a stellar flare, but the time that I really think I heard the words “solar flare” wasn’t when Walter was briefing the crew on what happened.  It was maybe 30 min. (in the movie) after that.  The remaining crew on the Covenant was talking amongst themselves. (Still, a stellar flare is basically the same thing, which means David could know about the active and passive cycles of the nearby star and interfere with the Covenant mission)

               I also remember that after David led them to the safety of the open space, he then started to talk with the surviving Covenant crew.  Sometime during that discussion, one of the crew asks David what he has been doing on “Paradise”.  This is where I remember David saying “Waiting for Mother.”  They are outside in this conversation, but I cannot remember exactly when this conversation was.  I did notice in the novel that David did say “waiting for Mother” to Oram when he asks David what the eggs are waiting for, but I don’t remember these words in the movie.  That’s beside the point though.

INTRODUCTION

This is a long post, but below is me trying to connect the dots in the movie.  These didn’t come first, but after me hearing what I thought I heard in the movie.  The Conclusion I have written right below this paragraph is a quick summary of all of the details.  I elaborate on them in their own sections after the Conclusion.  I don’t expect you to read all of this, but at least read my “Questions in the Novel” if you don’t want to read anything other than the Conclusion.  It could save me time from rereading the novel.  The “Questions in the Novel” section is right below the “Conclusion” section and could really help support the theory that David did interfere with the Covenant mission.

CONCLUSION

So, if we remember the fact that he is willing to kill any kind of animal (alien or not and intelligent or not), the fact that he hates the human race, and the fact that he will lie to keep things in his control (THE PERSONALITY),

and if we understand that what David has been happily experimenting with on “Paradise” is not finished since he ran out of test subjects on “Paradise”, the fact that other Engineers haven’t come (and most certainly know about the pathogen being on the planet) which leads us to believe that David acknowledges the fact no one or nothing would ever come for him or even pass near him (at least anytime soon or at least in a positive state-of-mind; the Covenant crew is ripe for the taking).  We also know he doesn’t like being on “Paradise”. (THE MOTIVES)

We could also, I think, safely assume that Weylands’ personal David had special access to certain things related to the Weyland Co.  We could safely purpose that Weyland may not have ended these rights since he died in a hurried and unexpected manor.  We could also more safely purpose that Weyland also could have passed some on to David to continue work after Weyland’s death.  After all, this is Weyland’s “son”. Plus, if David had Mother working with him, he could use Mother to help “push the buttons” and provide the information. (THE POWER)

Also, to put this briefly, there are a lot of coincidences (THE COINCIDENCES) in the Alien: Covenant story.

Plus, according to the novel, they could’ve been close enough to a star to be struck by a solar flare and then directed themselves out into interstellar space after they were struck.  If they planned on being in interstellar space the whole time, why wouldn’t Walter say interstellar space instead of deep space?  Deep space could simply mean, for the Covenant missions purpose, outside of our solar system.  Deep space would be a good, efficient word to describe that situation.  I brought this up in a previous post earlier.  It would probably be safer to travel near star clusters from time to time, which could also explain the spatial and gravitational distortion (p.26). The situation was also described as unique.  We could simply say that the Covenant is in an unexplored area, so it is not understood very well.  America’s NASA makes mistakes like this too.  The difference is that there was a ship flying through it. (THE WHERE) 

So, David’s personality lines up with him capable of doing the things I am purposing, he has the motives, and he may even have the power to initiate and complete this.  Plus, the whole Covenant mission just seems to be just to perfect from looking at it from David’s perspective to be just a random coincidence.  We also don’t really know where the Covenant is at the time of the particle storm, so that could be open to interpretation as well.  If we look at what we do know and what could possibly be true regarding David, I think the theory that David interfered with the Covenant mission isn’t a very farfetched theory.  David fits the character that would be required to fulfill this theory when we look at the facts and evidence provided in Prometheus and Alien: Covenant.

QUESTIONS IN THE NOVEL

               I do have some questions about the novel.  If you could help me answer them, than I may not reread it.  They are very important questions and I would like page numbers if you have answers.  The only way David would have known the things I am questioning is if he knew of the working crew of the Covenant before they arrived.  This is a big accusation that could really show the evil side of David.  Remember, these are questions at the moment.

#1: p.234 – David says to Oram, “As a scientist, at least, I know you’ll find what I am about to show you of considerable interest.”  All I remember in the novel is Oram telling David he is the Captain when David asks, “Who is the Captain?”.  I don’t remember Oram telling David or telling anyone around David that he was a scientist, do you?  Or at least speaking of his wishes to not be Captain and instead be the scientist he signed up for on the mission.

#2: p.190-David starts talking to the surviving Covenant crew by saying, “I was able to pilot the alien vessel you found only because it was programmed to return to this world.”  A paragraph down, he also says, “As you doubtless noted, the impact was considerable.”  I don’t remember the surviving crew saying they saw a crashed alien vessel.  David could have been watching and studying the crew for some time to learn about their characteristics before he initiated a plan, whether evil or good.  Plus, David makes a big deal about Walter protecting Daniels later in the book and the movie.  He definitely watched the surviving Covenant crew trying to fight the Neomorph’s.  Then, he just simply walks in, fires a gun and the Neomorph’s run.  He ordered the crew to follow him and then he took off.  He did it with such confidence, like he knew what the Neomorph’s would do.

Also related to question #2, p.205 –“There was no indication that the surprise had been intentional, or that his counterpart had deliberately crept up behind him.  There was only the realization by Walter that there was another who could move as silently as himself.”  The importance of this quote is that Walter most likely has better hearing than any human that makes up the Covenant crew, but in this part of the book, David accidentally sneaks up on Walter.  If David can be too quiet for Walter to hear in a silent building, maybe if David kept his distance and watched his step, he couldn’t be heard while observing the Covenant crew shortly after they landed.  He could have only revealed himself because he had no other choice.  Some of the crew had to survive to help insure he would be taken off of “Paradise”.

Also, I don’t remember much being said about Origae-6 in the movie, but in the novel, we get the idea that all the colonists know is that Origae-6 can support life.  The colonists are really going in blind on this mission.  So, who’s to say that the knowledge we have of Origae-6 is a lie to lead the Covenant on a trip that passes by “Paradise”.  Any page numbers which explain more about Origae-6 would be greatly appreciated.  Quotes from the movie about Origae-6 would also be appreciated.

THE PERSONALITY

When including Covenant novel and the movie Prometheus, David has shown he is full of lies, has committed murder two times with Oram and Holloway and most likely a third with Shaw.  On p. 281 of the Covenant novel, “Whirling, she (Daniels) yelled as loudly as she could, “What did you (David) do to her (Shaw)? He smiled anew.  The smile of the damned.  “Exactly what I’m going to do to you, Danny.”  So, that could easily be a fourth murder plus possibly some form of torture in reference to Daniel’s (p.289).  He also tried to kill Walter (p.275), plus a second time.  On p. 272, David says, “They (humans) don’t deserve to start again. I am not going to let them.”  So, we know he hates humans.  Also, David doesn’t actually admit to killing the Engineers, but Walter thinks he did and Walter is a very smart.  I think Walter is right.  Plus, in the movie, we see David bombing the Engineers anyways.  So, David killed a whole planet of life as well (which humans will now never know about).  David is a liar and a habitual killer, but likes to think of himself as perfect.  He is, in a way, like a SS Nazi.  (He even had blonde hair and blue eyes in Prometheus).  He kills something based on what it believes in, kind of like how Hitler wanted to kill the Jews.  Still, David likes to interview his victims (whether for the whole civilization or for an individual) before he makes his final decision.  Plus, David can’t sit still.  He acknowledges that in the book too.  He logically decided he would rather work on something than to allow himself to get “rusty” then die.

An example of David lying can be found in these pages: p.190, David says, “…Elizabeth died in the crash…”  Then, p.203, “Having already delved into the one that had been used as living quarters by Elizabeth Shaw, he continued onward to investigate some of the others.”  David did say in the book that he tried to keep Elizabeth alive as long as possible, but he also said that she wouldn’t agree of his methods.  He said this in a way where it seemed like Elizabeth was in some kind of coma.  So, obviously she didn’t die in the crash because she had a room that obviously had her been living quarters.  Plus, she wasn’t majorly injured since Walter didn’t notice anything unusual in the room that would have turned the room into a “place to die” room or a place to get better and not a living quarters.

a free ticket to Alien Awakening Premiere 

Thanks again, Vivi!

You are among the ones I trust on this forum. I'll read the book first.

Take care!

ChrisA what exactly do you mean? Did you prefer the alien with 3 heads and multiple limbs or the 'near morse'? Some concepts were ridiculous although the sketches are pretty good, but they would fit better in David's failed experiments studies. I know even an alien concept by Giger was not used in Alien3. It's good they show us all the hard work, but why do you think the movie a lost opportunity? I'm asking because I haven't had the chance to see it yet.

@daliens

Thanks!!!

Enjoy the novel, it's truly a work of art!

Yes, there are actually 2 stone heads, mentioned in this topic.

I wonder who it represents.

good spot.

i am hoping we get some more detail from the BR. You never know we might be lucky!

The face IMO represents one of "The Elders" possible God or a previous God / Visitor to the beings on Planet 4.

I love the endless possibilities we have in the Engineer mythos. None of it has been ruined yet.

Thank you, Vivi!  I'll read the book first. I'm sure I'll not be disapointed by the movie.

Best wishes for you and the little one!

The apple is the only answer, here! But really, definitely a copy of Covenant (maybe one of the box sets or whatever and then a standard, like, one-disc version.) Oh, a poster or two! Could be Covenant, Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, whatever you want! 

Maybe some fan art from the site could be printed, painted, or whatever, made up somehow, and be given as a prize? That seems like a stretch, since most contests are fan art/fan fiction.

Oh man, no pressure but...PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! Lol, ok, ok...well if you do write it, your story already has one guaranteed fan because I already know it would be awesome! :)

@VivisectedEngineer

I always assumed there was one, because of this.

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Prometheus_(novel)

He said he does not think it is legit. He said it's a mix of the two leaked scripts, and badly written by a Japanese author, not Jon Spaiths and Damon Lindelof.

Lol! Would be fun!

I'll give it a go...but no guarantees!

@MonsterZero

OMG, do you write fan-fic!? Please say that you do, because I would just love love love to read one about this, and one about your idea where David downloads his consciousness into Ash.

I am like...begging you right now. I need to read this stuff, lol.

 "    David examined the dead colonists. Their skins were covered with dark fungus, gravity sloughing it from their skeletons.  he could only imagine what was happening to their internals! He didn't dare release them, or bring them to life. Losing five subjects was enough, the infection had to be stopped!

David was in a race to save the colony, he started by jettisoning the five into space. "

@Lawrence of Arabia

Thank you!!! :D

Oh trust me, s/he is already being bombarded with Alien movies!

@Blackwinter-witch

**Hugs!** :D Thank you!!!

Glad to have you back! Gosh darn those connection gremlins!

"given how much of a devotee` of this universe you are."

Boy, am I ever far fallen! But I can't deny that you're right! The Alien universe has my soul now! Lol.

I guess spending a good 95% of my time meditating on xenomorphs and chestbursters isn't doing much to expedite my escape from the whole death/rebirth cycle but I'd wager there's no funner group to ride to Hell in a hand-basket with than all you fine folks! ;-)

Congratulations :) As soon as the kid comes out, bombard him with Alien movies! lol

@dk

I don't know the gender yet, and I'm not hoping for any specific gender, but I would like to learn the gender when it becomes possible!

For a long time I've had this big plan to learn the gender via cake! Like, you have the ultrasound tech write down the gender on a piece of paper in a sealed envelope and you give the envelope to the baker. The baker makes a pink or blue cake then covers it with frosting, and when you take it home and cut the cake you learn the gender.

That idea has appealed to me for a long time, mostly because...any excuse for cake is a good one! lol :)

So, Unbeknownst to David and his captured guests,   a really nasty virus is aboard the Covenant and that entity is finally free of Planet 4.

David isn't concerned with quarantine protocols.....But losing valuable specimens might be one?

David may be the least of the crews worries!

@auximenes

Exactly. ;)

@daliens

I think with Alan Dean Foster books, he kind of assumes you've seen the movie so he doesn't goes as in depth as he might with some of his descriptions, because he thinks you can visualize the setting and characters based on the film.

I'd say it's not necessary to see the movie first but, watch all the prologues and promotional material on youtube then read the novel!

The novel makes for good company on a long space-flight. Have fun out there!

@dk

Carve a picture of a Xeno into the apple!

@chli

I like you're explanation and I think you're right. I think David resurrected the Xenos rather than inventing them.

@Thoughts_Dreams

No offense taken. Part of what I'm saying is that when people get up in arms over a movie, they're not being as serious as some people think. It's not 100% real anger. If they're honest with themselves, it's play-anger, like the play-fear we feel in horror movies.

It's not "I'm going to literally bunch somebody in the face" anger nor is it "I'm going to organize a protest because this is a very serious issue that must be corrected" anger.

It's "I'm going to type something antagonistic in an internet repartee while slowly sipping a cup of coffee" anger.

@Ingeniero

Whole-heartedly agreed on all counts. For us, the audience, hindsight is 20/20, but in reality people do all kinds of poorly coordinated and stupid things. The movies depict very believable human behaviors -- it's not like the characters know they're in a horror movie.

I'm sure most of us has done something pretty stupid at some point and survived on pure luck.

Just the other night, I was out for a walk and I saw some weird big beetle looking creature I'd never seen before. I stuck my face down real close to it, to stare at it for a while.

Soon I stood up and thought "I would not survive in an Alien movie..."

@MonsterZero

re: David downloading himself into Ash

OMG I LOVE IT SO MUCH I'VE JUST HEAD-CANONIZED IT!!! YESSS!

I can picture that scene the way you wrote it and it is AWESOME!!!

It works on so many levels. For one thing, in the novel, during Weyland and David's discussion of Wagner's "Entry of the Gods into Valhalla" David mentioned that the aforementioned Gods were doomed to die in a fire that would beset Valhalla.

So, David's efforts at Godhood being thwarted and him being burnt to a crisp fits very nicely.

Plus, Ash throws Ripley across the room almost exactly the same way David threw Daniels.

And who knows why Ash tried to Kill her by stuffing a rolled up magazine down he throat...? But...it fits pretty well for David because as I've said before, he's a pretty weird dude.

Also, the whole "...you have my sympathies." *Malevolent smile* is very David.

Oh man MonsterZero, I just love your idea so much and I really hope it happens in the next movie.

I'm so impressed with all the time spent in pre-production designs and concepts. How in the world did we end up with what we saw in the movie? Seems like another lost opportunity to me. :(

I love space suits, but it adds another layer of complexity. The characters are going to get infected, Suit or not. 

What's the last time a Star Trek character was beamed down in a space suit?! 

Send the Capt. and some red shirts, wearing nothing but some cloth and silk underwear, to the surface of a unknown planet??! No problem. lol.

Star Wars , Star Trek all get a free pass.

Tk: Prometheus to me isn’t worthless it is just that there are so many things in it that are not good, that could be elaborated on, or things that should have been explained better.

Some of my problems with it are:

Not enough Xeno clues or that the Xeno clues were not that well done. Sure the Trilobyte and the Deacon were alright but they should have kept another design of the Trilobyte and the Hammerpedes should have been re-done. I understood the connection on repeated viewings but anyways. Oh yeah they should have used that Xeno Fifield instead of the crappy Zombie version.

What did Weyland hope to achieve? Sure they had subtitles to an alternate scene when he spoke to the Engineer but without the conversation being translated (with subtitles) that scene becomes useless to me. Even worse, they had a Weyland TED speech where he explained some of his goals but none of that was in the movie, which made his character boring.

Characters in general, those that I liked were the captain (Elba) and David. They should have been more all-round instead of one dimensional. Shaw was religious, stubborn, and irrational – that’s it and no it didn’t help that she was a scientist because she was still stupid. Holloway was childish and annoying and he was a dick towards David. Scooby and Shaggy (Fifield and Milburn) were just too dumb beyond words so they deserved to die (“let’s pet a space snake that we haven’t seen before!”).

There were characters that were just put there for no reason (Chance, Ravel, and Ford, I might have forgot some). What were their purpose for being there? What was their personalities? Ford for example helped Shaw to take care of that head and then she was killed. Chance and Ravel, well what did they do? The problem is that when we don’t care about the characters their deaths don’t mean anything. Alien 1-3 worked because of well done characters but it is almost as if that doesn’t exist in Prometheus. Sure there were some characters that had some less roles in Aliens like she that navigated the ship but she was written alright considering the little time that she were given which goes for most of the small roles.

The Engineer(s): what was his connection to the Xeno? What did he say when he spoke to Weyland? Why did they decide to kill humans? They should also have kept the intro where they had many Engineers in it before the sacrificial Engineers drinks the goo. I think that there was one Engineer that said something to the Engineer that killed himself which sort of explained some.

Prometheus is OK but not more, it gets 2/5 which is unfortunate because it could have been so much better if they wouldn’t have cut a lot of material that would have made sense. I have seen some deleted scenes that were a lot better than those that are in the movie and they explain a lot.

Unfortunately, an underwhelming movie might give an underwhelming comic. I am not sure if I will buy it.

@IRaptus     Yes! That's the one. Would have been a b-movie with that creature.

Not sure why people gave Prometheus such a hard time i found it fascinating and each time I watch it especially the extended version I see something new, a line, comment or expression which is why I would love to read the book but had to jump straight i Covenant

Perhaps he either hacked into the computer system or since they are of the same model (although they might be slightly different versions, Walter said something about upgrades) maybe they had the same code. Eventually there could be some other explanation but these are those that I can think of. That scene is kind of interesting if you think about it.

VivisectedEngineer:

People might have instincts but then we also have to wonder if what ever it might be about is that important to invest that much interest in. I don’t think that a movie is that important. You mention fright disgust what ever and I am sure that it might have got something to do with why some people watch these movies but you can experience these emotions when you watch the movie but to get that invested in it so you get annoyed or angry when someone has an opposing view about it is just strange, it is just a movie. My point is, choose what you react heavily to, from an objective point of view a movie doesn’t make sense to get up in arms for. From my stand-point it just gets a bit silly when people get that heated by discussion a movie because it isn’t like life depends on it but I see what you mean. I say this in a respectful way and I don’t want to ridicule your opinion.

Maybe so, it could be that we gave seen so much in movies so we in some way expect more advanced things so when they don’t live up to our expectations we get let down. I try to remember that writers are just human beings like the rest of us but I do get annoyed when things are explained or written in a lazy way/that don’t make sense (Prometheus, LOL).

I agree with IRaptus when he or she says that people can make up scenarios in their heads so when the movie gets released they have already made up a story for themselves that they find more satisfying so when they see the result they get let down. This is why I don’t try to have huge expectations on something because if I have so I tend to get let down. If the characters are somewhat relatable I then a lot of the movie is saved for me at least but I also try to look at what kind of message a movie has/ideology.

As far as the media is concerned I think that yes, we were shown too much before the movie was released so we were given a false image of what the movie was about (think The Last Supper trailer or what ever the correct word for that is). Yes, it is difficult to avoid spoilers since many entertainment pages write articles about them and so on.

Big Dave also as a point when he says that it is difficult to tell original and interesting stories. I can tell that I would rather have seen something closer to the Xenomorph in it without it being a Xeno so to speak.

Big Dave:

I think that the Ripley clone was a result of them thinking that they could still make a profit of the Alien franchise but they thought that she was so important. With her being dead they probably thought that “how are we able to bring her back in some way?” she was dead so they thought “let’s make a Ripley-clone!” this could have been their way of thinking back then.

They could maybe do a movie that is set between Alien 3 and AR, but I wouldn’t be interested in watching it to be honest and it doesn’t matter if they explain the need for the cloning or not. With AR being a disappointment why would people pay to watch an explanation to a bad alien movie? I don’t think that it is that interesting to be honest.

Since Ripley 8 is a clone then there might be a possibility that she doesn’t age as humans do but then machines also age but in different ways, I don’t know really. There might be a difference between a clone and the original life-form that has been cloned so to speak as far as their life-span is concerned.

Nah, Aliens is OK just keep it in canon (the official time-line). 1-3 are fine, AR is the problem IMO (as long as we are talking about the first four movies that is).

As far as Alien Awakening is concerned they should bring in more action into it compared to AC but I don’t want a new Aliens. AC should have been better with some more action without it then being a sort of Aliens 2.

“I will ASSUME a group of Engineers arrive, take out David but then discover the Creation he has made and these Engineers would then consider taking these for their own Gain.. which proves to be a Hubris leading to the Space Jockey.”

I still don’t want David to be the creator of the Xeno, I want the Engineers to be that or that it was something that the Engineers found and developed. Their weapon turned on them and so on so we hopefully so if they will get the Engineers right they might be those that developed the Xeno DNA (which they found somewhere unknown) and then developed as a bio-weapon. David simply re-created it. Since they were not that well done in Prometheus they got to make up for that in the AC sequel if they shall be in it at all. Simply put: they must make more sense for the story in general and be more menacing.

They story shouldn’t be on earth, that would be lame. I don’t want it to be near our planet it should be far away.

Hopefully we will get more action in the next Alien movie, it doesn’t have to be like in Aliens but at least more than Alien Covenant has because AC was too slow even though it was alright in general.

Winona Ryder as Call is one of the few good things about AR. Ripley as a clone was just stupid. As far as AR in canon goes I don’t think that they should have it there. It could work as something that someone could think of when they are high on LSD but don’t have it in the official time-line.