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I think you'll enjoy the short-story that your story directly inspired 'The Resolution of Walter'. You really caught the feel and tone of abandonment in both the Personal and 'Greater Aspects' scale in regards to Walter and Humanity being abandoned...reflections of such, and very well done!!
I agree with you, they would most likely have such internal control, but I have never really worked inside the mentality of a machine before, so simple concepts are still pretty big discoveries and realizations for me. :)
ALIEN: Manticore doesn't involve David or Shaw, however ALIEN: Manticore 'Paradise' just might involve Shaw (IF I can make certain ideas 'work') and it does have a distinct focus on the absent David.
It does involve Walter, without question.
I love ALIEN and PROMETHEUS as my two Faves of the franchise, so I understand your craving! :D
As you said, to paraphrase, there's more people out there doing things than just the Corporate and Government types. And as we've seen in Star Trek (too many times) there's no real angst when you can lose your ship and there's no real problems.
I just couldn't work with that, as it really dulls the flavour of Risk and Peril which are key elements of the ALIEN 'Feel'.
Manticore, they need to make a living and ship's burn money. They have lives, they work for a living, and while they are intelligent, skilled, experienced and very capable people...at the end of the day, they are Ordinary Folks like you, me and most people and who are trying to cope with something way outside their realm of experience, and the Captain has the added pressure of trying to keep his crew safe vs. wholly unknown risks and juggling time spent pursuing Great Mysteries vs Operational Expenses. Life without Company backing, means having much more freedom and MUCH more Responsibility.
I will cheerfully admit that Firefly did lend itself to inspiring thing regarding Manticore, as did the opening cutscenes of ALIEN: Isolation where Captain Verlain is discussing the Torrens. :D
Teardrop aliens maybe...
@VivisectedEngineer: Two meal worms were carried in/ dispensed from the shoes of a Prometheus crew member after they entered the ampule room and it was these that became the hammerpedes.
As for what broke into the pyramid from outside, the entrance created by the shatterpoint of the curved door from outside was too small for an Engineer to fit through so it had to have been some smaller organism, more human-sized.
Very glad you're finding the 'feel' as while I did enjoy working things to preserve and project the Fell of this universe, it's always nice to know from outside perspectives if one has indeed managed to do what one wished to accomplish. :)
You won't have to wait too much longer, things are in the home-stretch about laying out/writing the story. :D
Then, a final edit-pass to ensure details and continuity are aligned properly as well as adding in some extra details where there might be too little.
Then, one final-check pass and then it'll be available. :)
YES, I love how you phrased that regarding the Maintenance 'Mice' and the quiet, dark ship!!! :D I really wanted to try to capture what I felt when I first heard how R. Scott envisioned them and the opening scenes!!
You phrased the feeling and tone BEAUTIFULLY!!! TY for posting those thoughts!!
hox OK. For our contest we used the pdf Hill and Giler script.
You're very welcome!! :)
It's always a pleasure to lend support to my fellow writers and creative minded folks!
ALIEN: Manticore is coming along steadily, though I did steal some time today to kick off a short-story that will tie-in to the follow-up story ALIEN: Manticore 'Paradise' as I just felt compelled to get things rolling with 'The Resolution of Walter', and without your story, mine concerning Walter wouldn't exist, and frankly with your 'preservation' of Walter, it really helps things regarding ALIEN: Manticore 'Paradise'.
So, Thank-You in-kind and return!! :)
VivisectedEngineer Thank you very much. You are very kind. The idea is that Tennessee is suicidal at that point. But Daniels drags him out of that state. The idea for this project is to make the humans less of sheep like characters, unaware of what is going on around them. The shower scene is gone; I have another fate in store for Ricks and Upworth. I also want to use some props that were really underused in the film. And I am going to unveil some sections of the Covenant nobody knows existed :-)
@dk,
Ripley didn't say 'This is commercial vessel Nostromo out of Houston'. She said 'out of the Solomons'. The script was changed.
I don't really think there's any one objective answer. It has to be perfect at something. And, all organisms are precisely perfect at doing whatever exact thing they do...
Tiwaz great start mate! I like where this going! It reads just fine.
Is Ivar going to be the new Machicko Noguchi - another Blooded human-yautja??
Wow, that's a really good observation! I'm going to have to re-watch it and take a look!
I remember that when everyone entered the room with the vases, the camera showed some tiny, normal looking white worms on the ground.
The, later, Millburn and Fifield were attacked by a large, white, snake/worm like variant of the organism. I figured it was the result of the pathogen incubating in a worm.
Maybe the engineers accidentally created an organism like that, managed to trap it outside, then it smashed its way back in?
Love it! Man, can you imagine being Tennessee and finding out Maggie had kept something like that secret!? No wonder he was drunk when Daniels found him!
It all seems very Weyland-Yutani. They're a certainly a treacherous company to work for. Good luck, Tennessee and Daniels! Can't wait to read more!
Lol, that was hilarious! I wish they did a longer re-cap of Covenant, though!
"I wanted to get away from the Company-owned theme. Inspiration-wise I researched private-registry Captain-owned ocean-going vessels in today's world and they are by far vastly more numerous than most people think."
That is really fascinating, and I really love your take. It's like, when Firefly came out. It was cool to see rough-and-tumble space folk, instead of just cerebral, straight-laced Starfleet and Babylon five types all the time.
It stands to reason that in the Alien-verse there'd be entrepreneurs, privateers, pirates, mercenaries, bounty-hunters and all manner of independent types flying around out there alongside the corporate wage-slaves. Very cool new perspective while still masterfully preserving the "Alien" feel! Love it!
Lilly (Svanya) Enjoy the happy hour- Whack A Mole will continue tomorrow!
Really loving these excerpts! Love the descriptive imagery here. It all feels very "Alien-verse" and I am really looking forward reading more, finding out more about that distress signal, why the crew might have gone into hypersleep so urgently (if they're alive), and how the Captain is going to respond.
Also, regarding the beginning with the maintenance mice:
When you were a kid, did you ever sneak out of bed and go into the living room or kitchen while the whole household was asleep? Do you remember how spooky it felt? Seeing a version of the house that wasn't meant to be seen by human eyes? The still, empty, night-time version of your house, that only exists while you and your family sleep? You kind of get this chill up your spine that makes you think you should bolt back to bed at top speed and leave the house to its own devices until it's your rightful time to inhabit it again...?
Now imagine that but with flying, faceless maintenance mice, moving coldly and unnaturally about the living space.
Lol, that's the feeling I got while reading this the first bit. So, very well done! Can't wait to read more! :D
Blackwinter-witch, I am so deeply honored thank you have included my works on this list!!!
I just found your the link to your Manticore story here on the list, looking forward to reading it!
I was pondering Walter's fate for a long time myself! I didn't want to be overly self-referential, but I just couldn't help but picture Walter in the same miserable position David accused humans of being in, in my other fan fic: designed to serve but abandoned by their creators.
I am very honored at having been able to inspire your work! I figure androids would have a lot more control over their own internal processes than a human being would. I haven't read Manticore yet, but it sounds excellent, and I'm looking forward too it!
I need more Prometheus/Covenant related reading material in my life because I am ADDICTED. So, I am really looking forward to reading your story, especially if it involves David, Shaw and potentially Walter! :D
And don't forget that awesome real reverse basketball shot! Yeah, I really like AR. Maybe AC will be a movie that gets better with age like A3.
I'll back you up DK on AR although I have Prom ranked at #3. AR is a fun movie with awesome practical effects. It's well made and has amazing characters which I cant really say for the recent mess. Seeing Sigourney in prime physical shape and hellboy plus the cute girl from scissor hands. I guess folks have to pick a runt of the litter which I unabashedly pick Covenant.
Alien was a movie that made some uncomfortable with its sexual references. A creepy robotic kissing scene seems to fit right in.
IndyFront We actually did an Alien script read and a prize was granted to the winner just before AC came out. This thread was resurfaced by a now deleted spammer.
The good news is we will be doing a script read of Resurrection in October and there will be a prize for the winner. Stay tuned- it was pretty fun!
CONT'D From Gravity .86
Parker:
If they find what they're lookin' for out there, that mean we get full shares?
Ripley:
Don't worry, Parker, yeah. You'll get whatever's coming to you.
Brett:
Look, I'm not gonna do any more work until we get this straightened out.
Ripley:
Brett, you're guaranteed by law to get a share.
Parker:
What?
Rip:
Why don't you just fuck off?
Parker (continuing to blow steam):
What?
Brett:
Uh, what'd you say, Rip?
Rip:
If you have any trouble, I'll be on the bridge.
Parker (shutting off steam):
Son of a bitch...
Brett:
What?
Parker turns steam back on.
Lol nice. It seems like ya'll have quite the problem with spambots - most sites do (Btw, I tried to delete my rage post but all I got was a 'could not complete' error page lol), but anyway good luck and keep it up. ;)
Even if things are not entirely fleshed out, I honestly enjoy what members write on the forum more than many of the Alien franchise itself.
colonialsoldier Sorry- not you. Actually, I meant spammers who were here but have been banned in the last twenty minutes or so. There was a spammer just above your last post I was referring to. They are gone now so I apologize if you thought it was directed at you. Lilly came up with a more efficient way of getting rid of spammers.
How am I spamming?
Interesting angle. I am a Yank and had no problems with the draft. Off to a good start!
3 Spammers including the above were reported this morning. They should be gone soon.
Yes, that was originally a Brett scene. If it was indeed a rape, involving Brett may have caused all kinds of backlash in 1979 due to gender.
This may cause some backlash, but rape is more about power than sex. This would make the Xeno a sadistic beast indeed.
Someone mentioned cats playing with prey before killing it. For domestic cats, that is more of a buried instinct- they don't know what to do so they toy with the prey. Most wild cats don't mess around- they go for the kill.
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_(novel)
I remember the novel different from what I wrote above but found this on the internet.
http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2014/05/12/15-things-didnt-know-alien-official-movie-novelization
When I read the original Alien novel, the Alien used it's tail to paralyze it's victim (remember the Queen in Aliens fighting Ripley using its tail to attack her). In the novel, when Ripley runs to Parker and Lambert, and arrives to the landing dock area where they were attack, she sees the Alien taking and squeezing both victims into the air vents.
Remember that shot of the tail going under Lambert is actually the scene when it goes under Brett. So Brett was supposed to get raped lol.
You're quite welcome and Thank-you for adding to the body of fanfiction and keeping the heart of this franchise alive and beating!!
I've been pondering the 'Resolution of Walter' for some time now, but you had the simple, elegant, splendidly-done way of solving the Time Issue.
I DO have plans for Manticore to follow Shaw and david, and arrive at 'Paradise', however Manticore is set in 2137, so there was the Time & Deterioration issue, and you solved it. :)
It NEVER would have occured to me that he could shut-down voluntarily, a simple thing yes, but one that I completely missed.
And this will be a great way to explore how the crew of Manticore views and treats Synthetics, and why there isn't one aboard Manticore already. ;) It'll be an interesting time for both them and Walter.
@Kethol
Your "not exactly" comes across as hair splitting rather than admitting my central observation that these are ambiguous matters which you cannot define.
On reflection I entirely accept your criticism that I seem to have introduced three separate points which are not related to your micro analysis of four flavours of Goo.
The connective argument which is missing, for which I apologise, is that Prometheus and Covenant are not biology lessons they are stories which in order to capture the imagination require a coherent and well developed internal logic on which to hang the detail, a point that ADF makes about story telling. You focus on the goo and saying people do not understand it .What I really should have said is this is not the cause of the issue it is the result.
If we knew through exposition what the teardrop incident represented and what the headroom goo meant (one is proactive life from the gods the other is an accident from meddling for instance) then the Goo makes sense. You are offering bottom up analysis whereas what I should have said is if there was top down story telling then all of this confusion would go away. You can still be left with mystery by not meeting the occupants of the tear drop ship it can be done by interpretation. What Janek said (if underwritten by everything else) knocks the 'confusion" out of the park.
So there is confusion but it is not the result of not paying attention to the biology lesson, it is because the story telling values are weak. One only has to see how much we learn from interviews, including the latest one from the editor, to realise how much of the story is missing and falls between the frames.
My apologies for my elliptical first post.
Oooo, challenge! Hmmm... I'll need to consider how to tackle that...
