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@BigDave : Interesting. Is this source connected to Fox or Scott? If so, I wonder if the substance is trying to recreate itself through the Engineers and (later) David, and - as Scott said - are not responsible for creating humanity and really do not fully understand what they are dealing with. Perhaps, this is why David is so drawn to it as it is essentially raw nature unlike humanity who often clashes with it.

Pretty Awesome... will have to see if i got spare cash to invest in one of these ;)

As of May 2017 they was in the process of writing, so i think they have the broad idea of where to go but are in the process of taking on-board how AC is reacted to.

RS had said they hoped to get Shooting done  within 14 Months of May, so i would assume they would want to commence Shooting Next Summer and so i think a March-June 2019 could be a good Guess to when they want to release the movie.

I have a Hunch they may try and get the Premier done for April 26th 2019 as a 40th Anniversary of Alien and on Alien Day ;)

JOHNNYMORPH  I don't like theaters. I would have bought a live stream if they offered it.

"The "from the eggs" always confused me. So the eggs that David refers to are the containers for the black goo or what?"

Just more confusing information that they have tried to add to the whole Pathogen.  The Novel does seem to imply the Black Goo turns everything eventually into a Pathogenic Virus that creates Eggs, of various Stages.

The source i had, which i cannot confirm is 100% correct unless we ever get to see Paglen/Green Drafts as opposed to Logan/Harper that gave us Alien Covenant.

But they claim the Xenomorph Origins was from a Parasitic Organism that the Engineers either had not created or indeed was the result of an Evolutionary Path the Engineers never played any part in.    The Organism starts as tiny Worm-like Organisms that are related to the Echinoderm lifeforms but also have some connections to Cnidaria

These tiny Wormlike Parasites can infect a Organism and Change their DNA to produce Hybrid Organisms, These worm-like Parasites also go through stages where it then evolves into what the Source describe as a like Brain/Testicles with Tentacles.  This Tentacled Organism again can infect an Organism by implanting a Seed inside it that grows into a Hybrid Organism.

When there are no Hosts or the Environment becomes Harsh this Tentacled Brain/Testicle Organism will attach itself to a surface and become a Cyst-like Pod and then inside this Cyst One of TWO things happen.

It either clones itself inside, so that a smaller Tentacled Organism grows inside that then is released when a Host comes by.   Or instead it produces a larger number of the Tiny Worm Stages inside.

The Engineers came across these and this is where the First Xeno-type Origins come from. It also seems this event was the result of some kind of Punishment.

They claimed the Cyst-stage eventually could Evolve into Protomorph Eggs which the Engineers on LV-223 attempted to Re-engineer.

*Puts on his Ultra Marine Terminator armor and raises his Storm Bolter* PURGE THE XENO SCUM! FOR THE EMPRAH! *looks at the Pulse Rifle and then at his bolter* Darn, wrong door again... *lowers his head, wheeps and trots to the door*

I agree. Less is more.

They probably figured they had the alien fandom and needed to make sure to grab the non-alien crowd.

Would be cool to re-cut the trailer.

Indeed Michelle there is a lot of interesting themes and ideas to be played out yet, it why the Engineers should be a key Focus of the Story.... David has been made a Key Thread that ties in the Weyland now Weyland-Yutani Company and the Xenomorph Bio Weapon that is a Experiment/Creation using the Engineers Experimental Bio-Weapon they created on LV-223

I think RS/FOX are concentrating on this David connection as opposed to the Engineers History and Agenda, but i guess time will tell... I feel Engineers will come back into it but not in a way that gives Prometheus much Answers but just to introduce them as a Alien Race and then if Fans are happy how this comes off, then hopefully we can explore the Engineers and the whole History a bit more.

As for the BLACK GOO.... its been changed about and made a bit complicated when the Original Idea which Jon Spaights presented with the Nano-Scarabs really does explain the Stuff Perfectly. Which then if you take his idea, it basically comes to the same conclusion as the theory i had regarding it from 5 years plus ago... that when i then saw Spaights Draft and Read it, i was pleased to see that the Scarabs Work the same way i saw the Sacrificial/Black Goo work.  it did not need to be made more complex.

The "from the eggs" always confused me. So the eggs that David refers to are the containers for the black goo or what?

Well i think we will have to pretty much accept that David indeed creates the Xenomorph, i dont think RS will back track on this.

The Question now comes to what role did the Engineers play in the Black Goo as far as LV-223 Xeno-strain.  And how far up the level of Hierarchy does knowledge of this Black Goo in those Urns attributed to the Deacon Mural exist.

Is it a Faction of Engineers creation?  Are the Engineers on Paradise aware of its creation, what about the Hierarchy above them?

Because i can really see the Hierarchy coming back and discovering Davids experiments and it kind of seems more fitting if the Beings who come back to find David are Ultimately the Space Jockey and more interesting if they set out to Re-create/Re-engineer something they came across.

But Failed..... only for David to actually Succeed in Creating the Perfection that the Engineers failed at or at least died in the attempts of creating.

Thus the Space Jockey ends up after preventing David etc, the Space Jockey then sees Davids creation as David Achieving beyond what they ever could and in their Hubris they take Davids Creation away and become infected by it.

Thus leaving the Pursuit and use of the Evolving and Attempts at Perfecting the Creature in the Mural as the Equivalent of the "The Ring of the Nibelung" and its Curse from the Opera Das Rheingold

Oh my. This is get'n naughtier by the day. lol First butt cheeks, then b**bs with spikes and now it's an anus with wings. Plus needle teeth and inner jaws for lasting (french) kisses. Sounds like a knitting-guide for the perfect (bad)dream girl from the Engineer's kitchen. XDD

Giger would've been proud, folks! hehe

Yeah, they showed far too much. The brutal backburster scene should've been kept as a surprise.

DK, Why didn't you see Alien:Covenant in the cinema? It could be Sept/Oct before the Blu-Ray comes out.....

TheXenoneoprotomorph It's not much more than a good NECA figure. The hugger, shirt and hat are worth the price alone imo.

Gavin Thanks. That's a pretty good edit.

Very interesting aspects. A nice book indeed.

I agree that RC will not (re)introduce the Queen for the egg creation since he got upset for Camerons Aliens movie.

I also agree the aspect that the Xenomorph or better their prototypes was originally created by the Engineers and then modified by David.

There could be also following aspects. When the crew discovered in Alien1 the Juggernaut they saw that creature from which chest was bursted. Maybe that (mechanical) creature or better what came out of it has something to do with Egg Colonist Morphing.

Yeah, I won't exactly go on another rant about movie trailers nowadays, but A:C would have been much better without seeing all of the trailers. Maybe, really, any. 

That is how Hollywood does it nowadays though. They show EVERYTHING. My friend has a great philisophy: If you knw you are going to see the movie, don't watch any trailers. Since trailers are meant to entice people to see the movie, they will show a lot (too much at this point.) I couldn't help myself with A:C, unfortunatlely. PLUS the Run, Hide, Pray TV spots surprised me when I was watching The Walking Dead, so I just got too excited to turn away each time haha. 

I, for example, am only going to watch the next, "Last Jedi," trailer and then watch no more. I haven't read/watched any leaks in months, can't totally remember ones I knew of before. I think something such as that is the best apparoach for a movie you KNOW you want to see.  

Oddly enough, once A:C was, like, one or two months out I realized that the focus of the film would be on David. I mean, I intially hoped that Shaw, David, and Promethean elements would be the forefront, but still. With the marketing team literally showing almost EVERY f^%*ing scene with a creature in it, I figured that the importance would be with what we hadn't seen so far. The movie was still stretched too thin for that to matter, but yeah.  

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I think Under the Skin would have been better as a 20 minute short film because it feels like a short film that's been stretched to fit a full-length runtime. As a result, the good stuff gets lost in a sea of monotony. 

Chris covered this last April guys, you can see the original thread and video HERE

BigDave Covenant took little dump on the franchise? I think it is the biggest dump of them all because at least AVP movies were not canon.

Nathan Adler, Blackwinter-witch 

Ok, so now it's an anus with wings and retractable vampire fangs. Im not sure if that's terrifying or comical...or both

It was about an edited 30 minute version of AVP:R, with only Yautjas and Xenomorphs and no humans, but Facehuggers! removed it for some reasons I don't know.

The Engineers thought they knew what the black goo did, and painted themselves into a corner of the temple/juggernaut within Prometheus. 

Ridley Scott also created the black goo, thought he knew what it did, and painted himself into a corner of Prometheus. 

All jokes aside I do think the path he is taking is more interesting than the original script of Prometheus with no Weyland on board, eggs instead of urns, and the last Engineer being infected and landing on LV 426. I love every bit of the Engineer Lore. I would watch an entire film full of their discovery, mockumentary style if someone created it. Similar to National Geographic exploring pyramids. That won't happen, but maybe if I ever have a few million laying around I'll create it and nobody will watch it, lol.  

Thanks to all the participants of this forum, you are all great. 

Batchpool Nice one!

Jonesy Starts in October.

This had better not be about the A Box I ordered!

@SparklingAmbien you mean SJ was in ANY other sci-fi movie?

Probably all Journey fans too...

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I bought the dvd on a flea market for 1 buck. 

dk I look forward your next competition 

There are a number of straw-man narratives here but to the central point.

The pathogen is a deus ex machina which runs riot in a number of different ways. When they were filming Prometheus it was called a Xeno Mutagen by Damon and an Ebola like breakout by Ridley. One of the gets of Covenant is we are told the Prometheus crew discovered the Alien Pathogen, the bit that is important there, is Alien not Pathogen. A formal recognition that the XXX121 creation story emerges from the Pathogen.

The book deals with those that have helmet issues with the movie, including over the Pathogen, but Sherris makes a good point you should not have to read a tie in book to understand nor should it be so complicated you need pages of notes to work it out, otherwise you go out of the movie or some will, because of how they cognate. We should respect we do not all cognate the same way - that does not make others stupid, it makes them different.

We book readers are also aware that Alan offers an Easter present from the Engineers which is not exactly speaking from the same hymn sheet as Sir Ridley. I have asked Alan directly how we should view that distinction and as yet he has not answered, which itself is interesting. He also calls the prequel novel Alien:Origins not Alien Covenant:Origins which given the synopsis now in the public domain is even more curious......stay tuned as they say.

Where I take issue with the thread starter is that an awful lot of questions were left unanswered which were set up in Prometheus. 

1) What is the relationship between the Engineers and their visits to mankind and the underlying narrative as to why they felt it appropriate to destroy mankind. We know the JC issue was debunked so what was the reason other than disappointment we did not live up to their ideals, but then neither did they and they ended up dead - more please.   

2) What is the relationship between the life giving catalyser ingested by the acolyte from the teardrop ship and the Alien Pathogen and the Engineers. I have a very clear idea and so does Big Dave but that has not been answered. Incidentally Big Dave my view of the architecture of Paradise Central is the same as yours. As I said many months ago now, these are the Einherjar being prepared for Ragnarok and some day soon the Valkyries will return and find matters adjusted, will they put Walter back together ? That also explains why these guys look like Tibetan Monks as opposed to the beautiful elegant types with synthesised body armour. ADF constantly reaffirms they are not vertically challenged and 6 foot beds would leave them dangling over the edge. 

3) Other than dismissing David as a psychopathic mad robot (thats David 8 not Big Dave) , we do not know what he found out in flight, why did he apply a first strike protocol and where does Elizabeth fit in, other than vague plot point convenient allusions. Way to important the story turns on these points and there is huge potential there for drawing us in. 

Put simply the Alien Pathogen is easy to comprehend as a super creational endlessly mutating virus which creates outcomes for their own sake and is entirely nihilistic without any moral compassing, what is not clear is all the stuff around it, most fundamentally is it a punishment for rebellion. Ridley has now indicated that the space gardeners will return to see their source destroyed. What will also be interesting to establish is if they are creative gardeners of the tear drop ship variety who have returned from a galaxy far far away or more suited and booted guys.

On a separate point War of The Worlds. The Mayfair's inhabitants, the W-Y acquisitive mob and the mad as hell Engineers IF it gets made.  

@dk - I was looking closely for any Weyland-Yutani logos!  LOL!!

@Kethol - Great work!  Up Voted!

I will never believe that David was/is the sole creator of the xenos. I will always contend that he simply tried to "perfect" something that he knew was an "ultimate" life form that he had discovered from the Engineer history. And I don't care what anyone may tell me...David was not/never will be the Xeno "creator".

Fuck if I'm just going to get the hugger from some scalper from eBay at an outrageous price 

@BigDave - Like an organic nuclear weapon? 

Very interesting.......             

Ian Whyte, the actor who played the Juggernaut Engineer in Prometheus, was 7'1", so 6'-8' is probably the height range for adults.

The height of the shorter Engineers and their children would not really look much different than your average human.

What BigDave said. The problem with trailers nowadays is they want to show the entire film and it definitely hurts the overall experience of the consumer.