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Yes that early cathedral study is much more like it :) .

Those numbers still look awful. Covenant got the second worst box office numbers of the whole series. And for a reason. The movie is bad.

I know Origae-6 can't be LV-426, but it seems that the film series might be just heading that way. It's unlikely, but something crazy like this might happen: 

David has "2000 jokers" to experiment on. He mass produces eggs and loads it onto an Engineer ship on LV-223 and lands on Origae-6, the Engineer's homeworld, which later turns out to be LV-426. They have a war and the planet is destroyed. In this way LV-426 becomes a barren wasteland.

Ridley Scott said something like the "War of the Worlds" was the goal. And the poster for Alien: Covenant suspiciously had nothing to do with the film ... the first one, at least ...

Hopefully we'll see this next film ... this is actually how I envisioned the Engineer world to look like. 

No, Ridley Scott said a "few canisters" would be enough to wipe out a whole planet within a month. The chain reaction is just so powerful. 

Holy crap I can't even begin from the brief explanations to the actors who just suck, besides the guy from Train spotting -  and hello both of these are supposedly planet earth? What the F .     And the whole temple scene with the predators fighting off the aliens so apparently all of the archaeologists in the world didn't figure that out. Oh yeah hey if you take the aliens  skull and put acid on it it's a shield… Amazing!    Both of the movies are so shallow it hurts. Oh the guy really wants a cute girl to like him but it's not working so…  Aliens! I feel dumber for even commenting.   Oh well 

Cathedral concepts probably were an early outlook of the film, some of them discarded by production and director due the cost.

*Reluctantly accepts pulse rifle from Something Real whilst grumbling under breath*

...this is not what I signed up for, I'd better get a pretty freaking huge bonus...

How about letting him enjoy it man, I like em myself gee

Does this mean we'll get a sequel?? I REALLY hope so.

I stopped by the theater today to see if I could watch Covenant while I waited for my car to get worked on in the shop - but it wasn't playing at my local theater any more, sadly.

I did see it four times in theater already, though. I learned that the ticket sales guy had watched Prometheus in theater six times.

So whatever we lack in numbers we fans more than make up for in dedication.

This was an awesome movie, and to all the haters out there: You just don't understand the lonely perfection of Ridley Scott's dreams. :)

@Kethol

That makes a lot of sense about Xenos having a short lifespan, so then Engineers can them to wipe-out fauna and start again.

But, in the Covenant novel David says that the pathogen can remain dormant indefinitely, so it seemed like a kind of salt-the-earth type weapon.

Do you think maybe the Engineers have some kind of planet-wide antidote to neutralize the pathogen? 

Cerulean Blue, that is a very interesting idea but the pathogen seems like a difficult thing to use to wipe out populations of single continents, the risk of it spreading to unintended populations seems pretty high.

But, if they do have some antidote to neutralize the pathogen on other continents or to prevent it from spreading I think it might work!

Oh man, I love A L I E N 4 2 6 's question about the Alien based nightmares so much! PLEASE get this one answered for us!

For me, it comes down to a mix of different media in the following order:

Prometheus, Covenant, whatever the next movie ends up being called, Alien, Isolation, River of Pain, Aliens, Aliens - Fire and Stone, Earth Hive, Nightmare Asylum, Female War, Sacrifice, Labrynth, and Apocalypse - The Destroying Angels.

@Godzilla: King of the Monsters

Don't worry, I'm new to writing Alien stories as well! This was my first one! So, we are both out of our comfort zone.

Its funny, I'm on vacation right now but ever since my vacation started I've had nothing but work related dreams every single night.

I keep tying to watch scary movies and read scary stories right before bed, in hopes of having cool dreams instead of work related ones.

Finally after reading your story I had a non-work related dream for a change, so I consider that a success.

Ok, I started writing my next story today. It is very different from this one, though. I think I may post it in chapters, like you do but I haven't decided yet. I think I will post my story (or at least my first chapter) tomorrow!

*Grabs VIVISECTEDENGINEER, turns him around, and hands him one of her pulse rifles* Oh, no, my friend. You are fighting with us! :)

"The global world market place is changing…entertainment looks attractive when you read about the few films that makes these insane amount of money, but what they (investors) don't know is that they don't always do that. There's a level going about it on the business side, and that's not necessarily the box office. If it does fine in the box office, that's OK. But - it will play for years on television, reissuing DVDs…and so on, and so on. So there is an industry just in that…a lot of the revenue comes in from that over the years…The important thing to do is make it." - Ridley Scott 2012

The movies. All of them

@FilmFan2017: I blame the fan community more for berating Prometheus, a film I loved because it finally began exploring answers to questions I likewise had after seeing the first Alien. Where were those fan boys most vocal against Ridley's handling of Prometheus so Fox was able to force him to adjust his direction, since it's them we should be going after?  I hope they weren't on this forum!?

Blackwinter-witch no other choice now as the movie is just playing in very few theaters already. It's funny, but the other day I was talking with my brother over the phone, and when I was telling him about Covenant I noticed I had almost forgot watching it in the movie theater. It seems my memory started to block the experience of watching it on the big screen.

Timmy the ultramorph "That spanish guy" was italian haha

There's more to 'Canon', surely, than just "the same guy directed it", "the same monster turns up" or, "It's got the same title fer chrissakes!". There has to be CONSISTENCY!! And yes, I mean that in the simple, old-fashioned sense of Logical Consistency. Alien was brilliant, Aliens was also excellent, and while we were definitely on ground that was sloping very sharply downwards with the awful Alien 3 and the execrable Resurrection, there was a line that could be traced through those films that made a kind of sense. This courtesy could even be extended to Alien V Predator, though, admittedly, that is somewhat more problematic. AvP is, however, a better movie than either A3 or Resurrection. Prometheus was a mess, plain and simple. Raddledly Scott thinks he signed up for a series of Blade Runner movies. He remembers directing Blade Runner. He remembers it had a very glamorous woman with a man's name in it. That made him laugh. Raddledly loves to laugh. Sometimes, over his cocoa at the old folk's home, he pretends to be a big-shot director. Then he comes out of the home and it's our turn to laugh. Sadly. Covenant is not canon, not because it's utter shite - which it is - but because it doesn't make any sense, it's sloppy, stupid, and it's the wrong film!! You can't make Deckard - sorry, David - making the Aliens MAKE SENSE. You can't squeeze, twist, warp, or constrict the timeline in any way that make any of this garbage come out right vis-a-vis Alien. Some theories have emerged that there will emerge ANOTHER species - and it will be THIS, NEW species that made the Engineers, humans AND the Aliens. Somehow, maybe, this could be made to work. But this is really reaching. Let's grimly accept the horror that is Prometheus, and like any healthy body would, simply reject the ridiculous and laughable farrago that was Covenant. And will somebody please get Mr. Scott his favourite plaid blanket and see him back to the Home? He's just getting over-tired now, and you know how cranky he can be when he hasn't had his cocoa.

for starters, you cant see a single thing in the movie because the lighting is so dark. also, the predalien is born with dreadlocks even though the xenomorphs dna reflex dosnt applie for hair or else the dog xenomorph would be furry, and the one that comes out of kane would have his hairstyle.

I have to admit, I did like the scene in the rain with aliens picking off troops, that was a classic scare-thriller kind of scene.

I did like some other specific bits and pieces of AVP and Requiem, but aside from cherry-picking useful (to me) visual pieces here and there that tend to kick-start inspiration and story ideas/development angles both movies are pretty awful.

Covenant, haven't seen it yet as myself and my family have decided to wait until it comes on On-Demand, then we can at least be disappointed with it in the comfort of our own home with pizza and wine in the company of our swarm of cats. :)

my biggest problems with the first avp movie are that 

1: the timeline makes no sense. the fact that alien are actually discovered by 2004 and the weyland corperation is already active makes no sense. also its the weyland corperation so why wouldent they try to collect the orginisum and that weyland dies in 2004 so there is no way he would be part of the prometheous movies.

2: THE PREDATORS FREAKING TEEM UP WITH THE HUMANS!!!!!!!!!!!

3: THE PREDATORS ARE NOT COMPLETLY DEMOLISHED BY THE ALIENS!!!!  they are stronger, smarter, faster, and more abundant than the predator. plus they have acid blood and the predators invisibility wouldent even effect them cuz xenomorphs dont have eyes.

But my absulute biggest problem with the first avp movie is that THE MAIN CHARECTER ACTUALLY USES A XENOMORPH HEAD AS A SHEILD!!!!!! that is essentially the same as if someone uses a shield that is a giant water baloon filled with highly concentrated acid. the first time that was damaged at all it would spray acid all over the person using it killing them instantly. this may seem trivial but it infuriated me the whle time i was watching it. beside that point, it is really anoying how everyone just listens to that spanish guy even though his therorys have no evedince to back them up. for example, as soon as they find a pyrimid in antarctica that has culturall similaritys between egyption and aztec, he immetiatly comes to the conclusion that this is the first pyrimid ever built and that civilization started in antarctica. AND EVEYONE BELIVES HIM

if i were to talk about avp2, it would take hours so I will talk about that later.

Now we wait for Japan.

I will barge in here with my opinion, lol. Requiem is not a bad film, lower budget yes but at least it tells a functional story with humanoids who are not complete idiots like Ridley's recent mess. Covenant is so bad at telling a story and the characters are so pretentiously dumb that Requiem is raised to a higher state in the franchise.

Not bad. I mean, it could be better but overall not bad. :)

@LVBank The writer absolutely can have control over the direction of the story in a film.  But in this case, Ridley Scott has always been very clear about where he wants this new prequel series to go story-wise and has then hired writers to put his ideas down on paper.  I read that he even storyboards the entire film so he knows what every frame and shot will look like before he gets on set.  He's a very hands-on director.  Which is why these films look so beautiful and full of detail.  AHHHHHHH just writing about this has me remembering the Cargo Lift sequence.  I love that escape from the city so much between the birth of the Protomorph and Daniels being badass to the homage to Cameron's Queen Alien Vs Power Loader moment with Daniels controlling the crane!  Love so much about this film.  

And I seriously hope there will be a longer director's cut of this film to help flesh out some moments for the characters.  Hell I would watch a 3 hour Alien movie no problem.  I'm so damn curious where they take the next film, like what happens to Daniels and Tennessee, what awaits them on Origae 6 and what the hell is this demented android David going to do with the colonists... 

Ha, thank you everybody, I'm happy you like it.

Undeniably, we can see the best gif-ass (ever) in this thread. :)

@Kethol - Yes, I was hoping to find out more about the effects it had on Planet 4, like how far away were animals & plants affected?  It definitely did a bang up job on the Humanoid arena & surrounding city.

It is the field of eggs, after all, in Alien that presses play for the ensuing horror. I guess, then, that the backdoor Ridley Scott has set-up for this field of eggs in the derelict must come from the Covenant 2000 plus crew. Kane's egg number comment and the need for the Covenant narrative to highlight the number of people on board kind of adds up! On another note, we all need to see Prometheus, AC, Awakening, another sequel (?) and Alien as chapters to be connected and back away from this box office analysis and demonising of AC. The latter works, it makes sense. David after all was in the poster for Prometheus, not Shaw. He is the Promethean thief. He is an A (L) I (EN) with a box of matches. The match is lit and Ridley Scott knows what he is doing with the franchise. Alien has always been the dark side of 2001 with its monolith and HAL. This is Scott's ambition for the franchise. 

Ridley speculated that the xeno has a very short lifespan, so if that goes for all the versions of the pathogen, once it infected and killed all the localized life, say on an isolated continent or isolated region on a continent, it may not necessarily spread across an entire planet.

Ridley also speculated that it would travel like a plague and spread everywhere so that within a year all fauna would be gone.

I suppose it all depends on which variant of the pathogen the Engineers dropped and what they were trying to accomplish with it.

1000s of eggs in Alien derelict - which Kane comments on. In the Director's cut of Alien, Brett is transforming or morphing into an egg. The Alien Covenant ship has David on board with two embryonic face huggers, human embryos and 2000 people on board. Is the Derelict eggs outcome in Alien, then, a mass Brett like morphing episode of 2000 people: a result of David's unleashing the beasts (embryonic facehuggers) and xenomorph cycle - plus some Engineer narrative as well? Is this the direction for Awakening and any other subsequent sequel backing into Alien?

@Nick Neon @ Lawrence of Arabia

I also liked AC - I think somewhere someone wrote that 20 minutes were edited out of the movie and, maybe this is my hopes, that there will be a version of it with those 20minutes back in.  MAn do i really want to see that version.  I loved the blurray of Aliens with the longer version where Cameron stated that "this is the way I wanted the movie to be" very anti-establishment of him, and i actually liked it better-sentry guns! 

For some reason -Please correct me no problem- but dont the writers have more say in the story that Ridley?  Isnt it Ridleys job to bring the story that he gets to life-and make it look and feel good?  If so i think he has done his job- Prometheus and Covenant looked great!  and no Baby Huey Aliens like in the end of Alien Resurrection.  I peg THAT as the lowest point in the franchise-so terrible.  not including AVP or AVPR  

From what it looked like in Giger's art and the egg-morph scene in Alien, the cocooned body was being broken down and used as raw material for the egg that is growing around it. I'm sure the human DNA is being re-written - since that has been established as how the pathogen operates - and that could be used to explain the familiar looking parts of the face hugger.

Going back to an old Omni interview, Ridley said this:

"What gave us the cocoon concept was that insects will utilize other's bodies to be hosts of their eggs. That's how the alien would use Dallas and each of the crew members it kills. This explains why the alien kills them one by one. It wants to use each person as a separate host each time it has new eggs…The biological make up of humans was useful for the alien eggs to feed on…"

 Ridley : "I've lost the plot" . Sad but true ... that basically sums up thus whole situation.  Who is in charge of the story then? New writers each film so it gets pulled in different directions. A director who unfortunately is a bit old and also has not plotted out this universe. A legendary director none the less probably adding to the problem. Surrounded by yes men and no one telling it straight... he's become an island cut off from critical intervention i guess. If only he humbled up and got a stronger support in the way of continuity and someone to grow the universe out and make it solid.

Wow so they are engineers? :O . What happened to make them so puny ! I'm still wondering if we will see a next one... :(

Hopefully we see the next one and finally it becomes epic elders... demi god... Weyland yutani and engineers. Possibly a new race...

Slightly OT, and I know it wasn't explained since it was just a deleted, but was there any theory on how the egg-morphing might work?  As in how the egg is created or how the human becomes or provides nutrients for the resulting facehugger?  The facehugger really resembles a pelvic bone with eight bony fingers, and a vertebrae with a point at the end. Might the facehugger be the result of what a human body morphs into after melting (or whatever happens) into an egg?  Then the part of the facehugger that implants the embryo into a person's mouth would be where human reproductive organs normally are on a pelvis.

@LawrenceOfArabia Right??? I trust Ridley knows what he is doing.  And he directed Covenant like he was trynna pay bills.  A man his age has nothing to prove.  I only wish this film were longer by 20 minutes.  That's my only complaint.  I hope the blu-ray comes with a 3.5 hour making of like Prometheus did.  :D

@BigDave: Legend:) It leaves the question now as to why didn't we see any residual cocooned areas in the ship (e.g. outside the cockpit)?

Ok, they've been anounced !

I'm excited, we'll see them again.