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"The script ties into ALIEN directly"

I would say NOT quite it seemed like Spaight had NEVER even watched ALIEN much, as their are Conflicts and Errors.  Seemed he was more Familiar with ALIENS.

If you Read his Drafts and take them as GOSPEL in every Detail they dont Conflict ALIENS much, but if you then watch ALIEN then it does-not Connect at all... well its Flawed.  But the IDEAS were Good, i think it was TOO ALIENY and Prometheus was TOO LESS say ALIENY.

We NEEDED to have a Balance with Prometheus

The Clues to the Xeno/LV-426 were soooo VAGUE and Ambiguous that MOST would NEVER make any Connection, only the SHIP and Chest Burst Scene at the END would be Familiar.

The Hammerpede and Trilobite you could make some Connection to a Face Hugger, you had the MURAL for a Moment that you could make some Connection with but there was NO Explanation.

I think the Biggest Problem comes from NOT having a Replacement for the Xenomorph.  The only DEATHS/KILLS that you could Loosely relate to the Xenomorph was via the Hammerpede (1) and the Deacon Chest Buster (1)

Fifield had KILLED the Majority of the Crew in a SINGLE ATTACK and he had Basically NO Connection to the Xenomorph......... HOWEVER if we had the Fifield from the Spaights Drafts then we would have seen a Connection.

With Alien Engineers we had 3 Different Xenomorph related Monsters who had made a Number of Attacks/Appearances.   I think that Prometheus had NEEDED just ONE Monster that we could DRAW a Connection more to the Xenomorph... YES we had the Deacon but this would be like say ALIEN Ended after Kanes Son had RAN off the Table.

With Alien Covenant we had the Neomorph which had more Screen Time and we could make some Connection to the Xenomorph with. I dont think that PROMETHEUS had needed a Xenomorph but it NEEDED something as a Replacement.

I think the Engineer Story was Interesting and could have been Explored in many ways, i know a LOT of People were Disappointed with the ARC/Revelations and would WANT to see Space Jockey Suited Engineers just TURN UP with their Bio-Weapons and KICK-ASS but i would have been more Interesting in their History, their Culture and Question if they have other Conflicts among themselves.

Looking back at the Movies and Comments by RS etc... then i am still DRAWN to the LV-223 Engineers being either.

1) A Genetically Engineered Sub-Creation of the Engineers.

or

2) A Group of Engineers who had Genetically Engineered themselves to be Superior.

And thus PRIOR to the Genetic Engineering/Evolution they would have looked MORE LIKE those we saw on Planet 4.

Interesting Comments about WHAT would determine GODLIKE.

Because if someone from our Present was to Travel back to the Time of Christ, with some of our Clothing and Technology then we would seem GODLIKE to some of the People.  They would NOT even comprehend our Technology, IMAGINE if you Traveled in a Time Traveling Car.... HOW would they React to that?

I think in Terms of Technology then YES who knows HOW more Advanced people from 1000 Years would be, its LIKELY they would have Technology we may NOT quite Understand but we are the GENERATION of Technology and Sci-Fi and so i DONT think we would be as AMAZED at seeing Technology thats 1000 Years ahead of us than say Humans from 200 Years ago would be Amazed with what we have NOW... I think because we have Speculated what the FUTURE could bring, seen it in Sci-Fi.

That does-not mean we would not be like WOW! or that we would Understand as to HOW the Technology Works/Was Created.... but we could be like COOL i always Wondered if ONE DAY we could do that.

I think if we are talking 10'000+  Years then YES we cant Imagine as to HOW we would be then and WHAT we can do/achieve.

As FAR as being able to Manipulate Atoms, Energy, Time, Space by Purely Thought then this is something we just CANT really be Certain of IF/WHEN we could do this.

But could you RULE-OUT that a Species who are Hundreds of Thousands of Years more Advanced than us being able to do this?  Who knows... IF they could then YES they would seem GODLIKE.

In Context to what i was referring to then i think YES we could be introduced to BEINGS who are SO ADVANCED they can do things that we would see as MAGICAL and GODLIKE...

Thing to remember is take STAR TREK for Example... IF this was REAL and the Enterprise went back 2000+ Years ago and BEAMED some Crew to the Earth and back and looking at the Technology, then People from 2000+ Years ago would see them as MIRACLES

Crew of 4 Beam Down (The Ancient Humans would see them Appear as Rays of Light from the Heavens)

The Crew Report back to the Enterprise and are TALKING to someone who is NOT there in Person, the Ancient People would be Amazed by this... they are talking to GOD?

The Crew go over to some Injured People and using their Medical Equipment can Repair Cuts, Broken Bones in a Instant... would that NOT seem the same as what CHRIST had done?

One Serious Injured Person is BEAMED to the SHIP and remains for 48 Hours before they have been MADE BETTER and then BEAMED BACK to the Surface, that would seem like they was Good as Dead then 2 Days latter they are Resurrected etc.

FINALLY they BEAM down a Replicator and are ABLE to MAKE any Food the People want APPEAR from NO-WHERE this would SURELY be as Impressive and Christs Feeding of Thousands.

So the Point being that a Civilization from Thousands of Years in the Future could have Technology that could be seen as MAGICAL.... and GODLIKE.

Revisiting this topic, makes me sad to think the Engineer side of the Alien storyline might not be continued in Disney's next installment...

Covenant took a leap after Prometheus. In my opinion. Prometheus set up a great journey for Naomi Rapace's character Dr Shaw and David. I felt Covenant should have dealt more with their relationship. Instead it turned into a creature feature that left money on the table. If, BIG if, the franchise continues in the prequel vein, then their relationship can still be salvaged by flashbacks that explain Shaw's sacrifice as a host to David's quest for a new form of life. 

Prometheus ranks as one of my favorite movies in the scifi genre. While elysian feels that "faith" was "shoe horned" into the film, I found it was a logical point of reference for a character, albeit the heroine, who is in search of humanity's origin. Without belaboring the point, there are plenty of characters whose "faith", is not anchored in Christianity. In my opionion, Prometheus' great potential lies in the stark contrast between David, the cyborg, and Naomi Repace's character Dr Shaw. David's superior artificial intelligence seems to patronize Dr Shaw's quaint religiosity. The reason one might find great potential in a movie that pits artifical intelligence against human faith, whatever the religion, lies in the push and pull at the heart of this conflict. Consequently I was disappointed when the sequel, Covenant, did not continue where Prometheus left off. Dr Shaw had rescued David to survive and continue her quest to meet the engineers, who, for lack of a better word, could only be viewed as gods. Despite knowing the origin of humanity had nothing to do with Shaw's biblical god, she soldiered on with her now perhaps obsolete value system. Imagine the conversations David might have had with a curious religious human whose animalistic survival instincts allowed for his continued immortality and his quest to leave a mark on this world, uh, these worlds....

I'd say the human race is "GOD LIKE" in the Alien verse.

FTL

Anti-gravity / Inertia dampening

Synthetic species replication. ( if they can do a human, they can do any animal ....Synthetic Jonesy? )

Trying to explain God in a few simple paragraphs is next to impossible. So here goes nothing! LOOOOL

I think in terms of evolution with respect to this concept. Compared to people 1000 years ago the average person today has "GOD LIKE" powers. We communicate at the speed of light, have modern transportation that moves billions of people, physics, modern math, chemistry, space travel, and modern architecture. 

In another 1000 years these technologies will have incrementally gotten more efficient.

As a species we will be manipulating vast amounts of energy, have smaller computers, and travel much faster.

Yet this still does not answer the what is "God like being" question.

If I had to guess, in the most simple terms, a God like being has the ability to think about things and simply will them into creation just with thought alone.

Of course this means that this God like being is simultaneously the progenitor of the mechanisms with which the fundamental stuff of elements get combined into matter. I would also suppose that these would be self regulating systems within systems so this God like being could maintain this evolutionary adaption with a greater symbiosis to quantum technologies.    

I totally agree …I loved Prometheus.  The story line has so many possibilities.   Now pls don’t laugh…but when I saw Prometheus I had no idea it was part of the alien franchise.  I know your saying “what” well even my husband couldn’t believe I didn’t know…soooo when I saw Prometheus I just saw a great story … I think I had a fresh view of the movie and the ending was fabulous…and that’s when I knew…lol…huge mistake Ridley not to continue….HUGE….also the music was beautiful 

Big fan even will watch the AVP franchise time and again, time loop. Time. Loop. Mr. Scott if you are reading this just go that route I mean David is a diabolical face dancer navigating the cosmos... You are a fan of Frank Herbert this was Erasmus in a way, going about in an invisible ship abducting/experimenting on whomever. 

David has an opportunity to somehow create new colonies whose to say he didn't fabricate an entire timeline? A little heavy and generally dull time traveling organic robots eerily similar to Terminator I know but think of the advantages of turning Davids story into a war between his tyrannical perspective on life and existence and the very real struggle of surviving on an alien world full of xenomorphic creatures once you accidentally stumble outside his quarantine zones. 

Could do a whole blade runner reference involving people being androids and are assuming mundane human lives as sort of a network for David to spy on his experiments. 

Just a ton of fun if you do it correctly, between creating colonies to operate in different eras in history by leaving people to start over with nothing, even leave groups of children to fend for themselves like a Children of the Flies meets Prometheus scenario. Hundreds of children stranded by a demented droid on a habitable but hostile planet with no means but their memories to stay alive. 

Good times Mr. Scott. Good times.

I always thought the only alien in the movie A L I E N was the space jockey. The Xenomorph is a humanoid type creature.......it looks like something produced in a bio lab by an evil scientist. ( I'm okay with David as the creator )

The juggernaut and the Space Jockey were the real hooks for me.

So yeah...I'd like to see them go really surreal.

I think when looking at GOD in the Franchise with the Engineers Plot we had it that these Guys had Created us, but THIS does-not mean that THEY had Created the Universe far from it....

Ridley Scott had mentioned in September 2015, he asked us "You’ve got to go back and find those engineers and see what they are thinking. If engineers are the forerunners of us, and therefore were creators of life forms in places that were possible for biology to function, who created that? Where’s the big boy? You think this was all an accident? I don’t know. Even Stephen Hawking now says, I am not sure. He no longer believes in the big bang"

So to me he was Basically saying the Engineers are Genetic Engineers and they do this to WORLDS but i get the Impression that Ridley Scott is asking so HOW/WHO had Created these Worlds, so that LIFE can then Exist on them.

He seemed to be Teasing that it was NOT the Engineers.

I think you should be CAREFUL as to HOW FAR you go into that, as FAR as say WHO Created the Planets the Galaxy etc...  But i think Certainly you could have a ANCIENT RACE that are able to Move Worlds to ideal Locations and begin some kind of ADVANCED Terra-forming.

I think while maybe you NEVER touch on WHO had Created the Galaxies etc, i think you could INTRODUCE another RACE who are more Ancient than the Engineers who maybe Created or Engineered them?  A Race who are FAR from Human looking maybe?  There is a LOT of Surreal and Crazy looking things in HR Gigers Works that you could have Combined with some HP Lovecraft works to come up with something REALLY ALIEN.

Thanks ;)

Firstly i had been interesting in ALIEN but i had got to a Point where i thought as to WHERE do you go Next?  I had some ideas for a ALIEN V which is a Sequel to ALIEN Resurrection, which i would have taken it AWAY from the Xenomorph to a Degree.  I had always thought about the SPACE JOCKEY to me it seemed a Bio-Mechanical Being more like a Xenomorph than a Skeleton.... UNTIL the AGE of the Internet in Nearly every Home and when i could SEE/STUDY the Works of HR Giger in more Detail and so in 2001 i had began looking at the SPACE JOCKEY and HR Gigers Concepts and i was thinking so the Space Jockey seem to be these Bald Humanoids but where do THEY come from?  And i saw them as being USED by some Organism that is Related to the Xenomorph.  But i decided to NOT try and come up with a Story as i had a Few Ideas but i felt maybe it was BEST KEPT as a Mystery. But i Certainly saw that you had to have some NEW Species that are Enslaving the Space Jockey Guys.

so WHEN we got to Prometheus and the Engineers it NEVER SURPRISED me at all as Basically this is what HR Giger had depicted back in 1978.  And so the PLOT and POTENTIAL that it could OPEN UP and EXPAND the Franchise is what REALLY INTRIGUED ME.

I think it could be TIME to LET GO...... its UNLIKELY we would ever see anything like what Ridley Scott had attempted, especially under DISNEY.

I am more of a Ideas Man than anything i can come up with a Movie be it Sci-Fi or Fantasy or Horror and give a 10 Page Detailed Synopsis then Pick Out say 5-10 Scenes that i Flesh Out.... but i begin on a Idea and then Move to another, i also have a Brain Defect which affects my Memory so i can have Ideas, but they can just Disappear like Dreams can, unless i WRITE them down and i have LOST works before.

I had worked on a Thing II idea 20 years ago, i have also had few other Sci-Fi ideas like i did work on what i was calling Transubstant it was basically a NOT that Original though, it was about a Asteroid that Crashed to Earth with a like Pathogen/Virus that would INFECT Organisms and Mutate them it was like a Zombie Flick but they would Change into something that was Insectoid but then i also Toyed with a Reptilian of Sorts. This was back in 2002/2003 but the Alternative to it was that a Ship discovers a Derelict/Floating Human Ship that had been lost for 25 Years where the Virus would be Discovered.  The Mutation would NOT be Completely Insect like it would just have some Aesthetic to it.

If anyone or Group on here wanted to Brain Storm some ideas i could be of some HELP ;)

@BigDave, perhaps it is time to branch out on your own. Your concepts seem rooted in good sci-fi and maybe it is time to write your own stories completely outside of the Alien universe all together.

I can only imagine what books you might write if only you would expand your universe. You can do anything in Sci-fi with the right narrative. 

Dare I even say it - I think we do ourselves somewhat of a disservice by not pooling our creative talent in ways that deliver more real and tangible things.

I have spent some 40 years with Alien and moved into new territory myself wanting to write my own screen play for a sci-fi comedy movie....with real hard sci-fi baked in.

We are getting older some of us so if we do not do these things now they will never be. I have no doubt that you are a great screen writer; however, I just wonder why you ponder the Alien topic so much....you have already posted several books worth of posts here on the various topics...I did the estimation on the word count. You could have published a few novels by now to be sure.

I am concerned that talent such as yours should go so unrewarded here. Dave it was just like yesterday and over half a decade passed in the blink of an eye...the time is gone and vanished forever - time must never be wasted no matter what.

I am not sure what really interests you beyond Alien and yet I know there must be some other great ideas you have. 

RS has been putting this window dressing around AI for almost half a century now...he has had a great deal of commercial success obviously because the right doors opened up for him early enough. I do not think you are a film producer because of the money and formal knowledge required for directing.

However, you know enough about these films to write a completely new screen play, about something completely different, and shop it around fast for real money.

Too bad we could not all collaborate on the right kind of movie.  We cannot lose with so many hundreds of billions now focused completely on digital streaming. It is almost as if the Universe is begging us to churn out a few dozen of the right screen plays and make it happen $$,$$$,$$$.

"because if your treatment of that particular investment in the film flops you really have screwed up the film for the audience"

This is kind of what i was meaning by its a RISK... get it RIGHT and it could be Spectacular, get it WRONG and well..... it could make the Franchise more of a Joke.

We have seen Star Trek do the GOD thing a Few Times ;)

I respectfully think some things maybe should remain a MYSTERY so we can Ponder the Unknown.... i think you raise a Great Point with Interstellar and the Singularity Event, i like Good Thought Provoking Sci-Fi with Twists such as Event Horizon too.

So i think that YES you can have things that SHOW US these are surely the Works/Technology of Ancient Beings that you can NEVER FATHOM to who they are, but KEEP their Appearance and Identity a Mystery.

But then YES i think if you give a Out of the Box take on it then IF its done right i think that would be Great.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

This i used in a Prologue for Alien Covenant 2 story i was working on, we see this come on a Black Screen in GREEN WRITING like the Alien Special Order 937. This was Narrated by David and then we see the Screen Go Black/Reboot then we see LIGHT like the POV of you Opening your Eyes and we then see Davids Face, then a Mirror behind him and we see our POV is another David.  There is more Dialog between them and the SCENE was to show that David had UPLOADED his A.I into a Walter Body he Built from Parts... the Prologue Ends after a Embrace and then David MK2 breaks the Neck of David and then pulls his Head Off.  This is to SHOW that the New Body has Davids Soul and this David knows that David cant be Trusted and could Potentially Stab the New David in the Back and so HE STRIKES FIRST...  Then the New David says "Am I my brother's keeper?

As you then FADE to Space and then the OPENING TITLE

But what my point is with "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" you could SHOW this in a Similar way and Revelation.... that the Universe is Actually just a A.I Created Reality and Program..... created by a UNSEEN Creator.

But as i said i would be OPEN to seeing some kind of Non-corporeal Entities who could Masquerade as Gods... but we Ultimately Discover they are NOT.

@BigDave,

I most respectfully disagree with what you have stated....completely,

"I think in regards to GOD then within Sci-Fi you are FREE to BEND the Rules of Reality or even BREAK them.... but i think sometimes you have to be Careful you DONT go and Cross too FAR into the Fantasy Aspect."

In good story telling we have the concept of "suspension of disbelief." Anything done correctly would be interesting, powerful, and would have to be transcendental to the majority of the audience. That being stated we must conclude thusly that to not include a "fantasy aspect," may hinder what you are really trying to convey ultimately through the suspension of disbelief when trying to portray God or a God like being - Entity.

I put those pictures in my post about what you all had posted in this post so it would convey something not quite explainable through words. So using art to talk about advanced machines can be a way to express things that have not exactly been invented. To squander the chance at understanding that complexity is perhaps like looking right at a master painting and deciding you are better off with out all art entirely.

I believe I am understanding you correctly in that you think it would have been difficult to convey a related God like being to the audience. Exactly what would that look like? That is a very important question to be sure because if your treatment of that particular investment in the film flops you really have screwed up the film for the audience.

I suppose if I were doing the movie I would start with God like beings that have incomprehensible powerful machines.....and not dirt floors like in Prometheus and covenant. The entire premise was laughable at best.

We don't want a lot of white fluffy clouds either, that will just not do.

In the movie Interstellar Christopher Nolan sets up 75% of the film before God-like alien beings are revealed...and yet you never see any the either and only a crude aspect of their technology.

Anything can be done in show business you just have to know what to do and how to do it. Christopher Nolan takes movie goers to a place they have never been before. So I believe it would be no different with God-like Engineers.

The picture I posted of the CUBE is a 5th dimensional hyper cube. You cannot really touch a 5th dimensional hyper CUBE with your three dimensional figures; but, at least you can see a decent representation of one that is somewhat accurate through art. Hope you enjoy.

Never say never my friend...there were no computers working at the speed of light a hundred years ago and yet they are everywhere today....literally all over the entire planet in the palms of billions of people....and so we should not take anything for granted that has been posted.

I think its RIGHT that just when we think we know THIS and THAT we make Discoveries that Change our Perspective on things... The more we LEARN the more we LEARN we know LITTLE.

I think the BIG THING about ALIEN was the UNKNOWN... the more we Find Out then the Less Fascinating, Enigmatic or Horrific something can become.

So there is SCOPE and in Terms of Sci-Fi that the Universe can be a VERY DARK and UNFORGIVING Place.

I think in regards to GOD then within Sci-Fi you are FREE to BEND the Rules of Reality or even BREAK them.... but i think sometimes you have to be Careful you DONT go and Cross too FAR into the Fantasy Aspect.

So lets say that we go back to Dr Shaw and she Awakens in some Mysterious Place shrouded in Clouds and then a Magical Ghost like being Welcomes her to Paradise and so it SHOWS that her FAITH is Correct!

I think that would be a BIT LAME... but you could make a Twist on it by THINKING OUTSIDE the Box.

That does-not mean i would be against seeing any Non-corporeal Entities i just am NOT sure exploring a After-Life as in Heaven for Humans would be a Great Idea 

I much prefer to see some Non-corporeal Being who is MALEVOLENT and NOT what you Expect from a GOD. Or some Very Alien looking Monstrosity with Godlike Powers.

The only After-Life that a Human would have i feel should be Explored by FINALLY being able to Transfer our Brain/Soul to a A.I but then to show the Hubris and Repercussions for doing so.

"vulgarity filter appears to have slipped in three asterisks into an entirely innocuous word"

Not to WORRY my Dialect has a Number of Words that are innocuous that would seem Vulgar and Strange to other ENGLISH people ;) a lot of People in other Parts of England have Difficulty understanding Folk from where i am, as we SPAKE (as its said here) in a Dialect thats more closer to OLD ENGLISH.

A Example.... "Wud Yow lika Suck.. C**k our kid, dayam Bostin"

Means in English .... "Would you like some Sweets Boy/Girl they are Very Nice."

But its NOT that Spoken as much Nowadays well we mix more English in but its always Funny when people NOT from round my Parts see a Old Woman going to someone and saying about their Grandchild  ........."Yow c**ks Big-un ay thay" which means "your Child/Grandchild is big aren't they"

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Other Aspects of Immortality do come from being Immortalized and so if you are Famous, a Great Leader a King etc then through History you LIVE ON by your Fame.

We Live On through our Children we Pass on our Likeness but also Stories about our History and Memories, Once that Chain is Broken so if you have No Children then there is NO-ONE to Pass on about WHO you was etc.

With Famous People they Live on in Memory from Monuments, Statues, Paintings and their Re-told History.  You Live on in WHAT you Create be that ART and so Picasso and Da Vinchi are Immortalized with their Art.  The same goes for other kind of ART like Music and so Mozart and Elvis are Immortalized

Rulers also including those who were EVIL like Hitler his Name will Never be Forgotten.  Or Famous Kings and Pharisees.

You can be Well Known and Immortalized for your Achievements like say Einstein and Eddison

These FIT within the AC Prologue for those who Paid Attention.  The Room contained Works of Art, Creations by People who are Immortalized forever because of their Creations.

Weyland would Live On in his Inventions which Include David his Prized Creation, Peter seemed to be more Proud of him being like his Son than his Daughter Vickers.

The Engineers likely Erect those Statues and have their Murals to SHOWCASE who they are and to Immortalize themselves. Like a Egyptian Pharaoh would.

The Ozymandias Poem is Relevant as it goes on to say that Great Civilizations come and go and their Monuments to their Kings will eventually FALL and Degrade Over Time and become LOST to the Sand.

The Great Sphinx will in 10'000 Years look NOTHING like it does NOW and it looks Nothing like it did when it was Created.  IF we had NOT Advanced past what we was Thousands of Years ago (so No Metal Age, Technology) then in 100'000, 500'000 there would appear as though NOTHING would remain of Mankinds Civilizations.

Eventually all the Passed On Knowledge, the Buildings, the Monuments, the Books will EVENTUALLY be No-More.

For NOTHING is ETERNAL not even the Galaxy.

When i go back to the Engineers, their Fascination with Statues and Sacrifice then this is WHY i always look at the Courtyard in Alien Covenant as a Ritual Place where some Engineers are Chosen as a Great Honor to Donate their Body/Soul to Create Life and become Immortalized and then have a Statue Erected in their Honor to Further attempt to Immortalize the Chosen.

But this is as Close to any kind of Immortality they come and as the Ozymandias Poem goes...

"Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away."

Absolutely i think the Franchise as far as Prometheus could have SPAN OFF onto its OWN kind of Sci-Fi Spin Off that does-not have to even have many MONSTERS and Certainly did-not have to Connect to ALIEN.  I think there was a LOT going on with the Prometheus than for us to go "so how does this connect to Xenomorphs"

Having Covered a Few Aspects of Immortality we was left with.

1) Dr Shaw with her Faith but Discovering what could be our Creators who Turn Out to be Nothing like what her Faith Teaches and the likelihood that there is NO HEAVEN or After-Life that awaits us. No Natural Immortality.

2) Our Creators the Engineers who may have Genetically been able to SLOW-DOWN the Genetic Aging of the Body, and Immunity to most Diseases and ailments but they are STILL just Mortal after all, and likely NEVER achieved any Eternal Life too.

Then you have the other Interesting Elements to throw into that.

3) David a Synthetic Humanoid, who has Very Human Emotions, Desires and Ambitions and a Will of his Own, Superior in Every Way.  Who as a A.I could have his A.I SOUL stored and Transferred to a New Body and so in EFFECT he has a After-Life/Immortality.

4) Maybe the Origin of the Xeno-DNA the Alpha Organism (Starbeast if you would) could be a Organism that is able to Reincarnate itself via a Egg Morph and then Resurrect itself in a New Host and lets say these Ancient Organisms Pass on the Memories onto the Egg Morph then this Species also have some kind of After-Life/Reincarnation and so are kind of Immortal.

What you have here Plot-wise is the Engineers who Created Mankind but are really just as Mortal as us and have Failed to Attain Immortality despite trying to Harness/Extract what made say the STARBEAST be able to Reincarnate themselves.  You then have David who is a Creation of Mankind who is kind of IMMORTAL and as he goes on to Experiment with the DNA of the Starbeasts he goes onto Create the Xenomorph that combines say Synthetic with the Starbeasts Traits then IF they took this Path then you have the Xenomorph being able to Retain its Memories from Host to Host should they Explore the Egg Morph Route.

Before we got to Camerons Bugs.... it seemed RS had different ideas to EVOLVE the Xenomorph beyond just a Mindless Killing Machine, and looking at the Last Comments he made on it, it seems he wishes to Evolve how we see the Xenomorph and how it Procreates.   I think we can just THROW OUT the Xenomorph as far as leave it to be, and LOOK at what Predated it.

Bring in the STARBEAST and then TIE that in with the Engineers Ancient Past.

The TWO Interesting ways to do that are.

a) The Engineers attempts to Transcend themselves to Beyond Physical Pane of Existence would OPEN UP a Gateway that lets the STARBEAST in.  They witness more about its Life-Cycle in that it can Re-incarnate itself... and the Engineers had a Quest to try and Exploit this....

b) The Starbeast are a Ancient Species who Re-incarnate themselves via Egg Morph and then a Host and at some POINT they began to USE the Engineers Ancestors to Sacrifice themselves and Worship the Starbeasts as Gods.  Until something Happened and the Starbeast Numbers Dwindled and then the Engineers had Rebelled and Overthrown the Starbeast and then STOLE their Technology.

But thats going a bit OFF TOPIC but what i mean is that YES you could TIE IN the Themes of Prometheus and what is Immortality into something thats more Thought Provoking with a bit of a HR Giger/HP Lovecraft touch of Magic.

Hilarious! A vulgarity filter appears to have slipped in three asterisks into an entirely innocuous word!

“We are all still stumbling around in the dark looking for the light.”

Absolutely. And it’s fun to imagine the ways in which reality can be illuminated. That’s the staple of science fiction or, as some would call it, speculative fiction.

The universe is a weird place that holds many mysteries, in particular at the extremes of particle and cosmological physics. It may be that the quark field is as deep as you can go, or the speed of light is the ultimate speed limit, but in SF it’s fun to imagine that the reality could be different. If so, ancient technological races would surely have that mastered and come up with creations that to us look simply like magic. I’ve said many times in the past that dwelling on these matters is far more interesting than having a monster leaping out from the shadows.

Sadly, I have to agree with BigDave’s assessment that the magnificent vista of cosmic possibilities likely won’t be explored by Disney. Most people like to munch their popcorn and really don’t like to be confused. Ergo, exploring a backdrop that’s millions of light years distant from our tedious humdrum human existence would not be a money spinner.

While I’m here I can’t resist pondering the nature of quantum physics, since you bring it up, which is possibly the weirdest thing imaginable…

Consider the classic double-slit experiment: you fire particles, say a stream of electrons, through two vertical slits in a screen. On the other side of the barrier there is indisputable evidence that the particles ‘interfere’ with each other; they produce alternating bands of light on a detector. OK, that doesn’t sound so strange at first; so what, the particles interfere. But turn the transmission rate right down so that only one particle at a time is fired at the screen. You still end up with bands of interference on the detector behind the screen. The particle has in a sense gone through both slits simultaneously. Cover up one slit and the interference bands disappear. So, these tiny little electrons are mysterious beasts that have an extended reality that spreads across space. Weird stuff.

But it gets weirder. Theory of the moment – quantum field theory – implies that all electrons in existence are in fact ‘disturbances’ in a vast ‘electron field’ that permeates the entire universe. Everywhere is an electron. But some places are more electron than others.

Nobody really knows what’s going on, and scientists are just as confused as anyone else. It amuses me whenever I see documentaries of scientists scribbling abstruse equations on a whiteboard. The makers do this to bamboozle the viewers, and paint the theorists in an authoritative exemplary light. But I know enough of this stuff to know that there isn’t a single scientist in the world who really knows what’s going on. Not their fault, of course; the universe is a weird place, as I say, and it is not obliged to make itself understandable.

I just wish Hollywood would bamboozle me a bit more often. And exploring the Engineer backdrop would be a great way of doing that.

".... NOT to Create a Weapon,"

Yeah, that works. Using the xeno as a weapon is just plain nutty. Military has better far better tools. But if the Engineers were experimenting on immortality? This is the direction I'd choose.

 " Unleashed some Horror from the other Dimensions "

This is probably my most desired storyline. Event Horizon meets the Alien verse!

"If they made a sentient computer and transferred his consciousness to the hardware would he still own the company?"

I think they would. Knowing they could always unplug or hack the sentient 'computer'. 

To look at Immortality from the Engineers POV.

Jon Spaights had the idea that the Space Jockey/Engineer Race were ONCE very similar to HOW we are, they had Genetically Evolved themselves over a Great Time Period so that they would LIVE for Thousands of Years, they had Abandoned the Notion of Natural Procreation, and Eventually had LOST the Ability to do so.

Spaights then implied the Engineers were on the VERGE of a Great Discovery to ATTEMPT to Transcend from their Physical Bodies to beings of Energy who Live on in the Multiverse.

We have to ASSUME that they NEVER Managed to Achieve this.... NOW this kind of Plot is something that has gone though Changes and so from Alien Engineers to Alien Covenant the Engineers Agenda/History and Purpose likely have Changed.

But you would think that such a ADVANCED and ANCIENT Race like the Engineers who are Would-be-Gods, you would THINK they would have also WANTED to try and Gain some Eternal Life like Weyland wanted.

If we say they had been trying to Mess-About with Multiple Dimensions and the like then MAYBE they could have Unleashed some Horror from the other Dimensions like say in the PLOT to the HP Lovecraft Story.... FROM BEYOND

If this Organism can Resurrect Itself via its Life-Cycle especially if we APPLY the Original Idea from Dan O'Bannons Star Beast (EGG MORPH) then if this Ancient Organism can LIVE-ON in a Reincarnation.  And so it Genetically Transfers its SOUL onto the Egg Morph then this would be a kind of IMMORTALITY and you can Imagine the Engineers would be Interested in this and MAYBE this gives us a BETTER REASON for the Engineers to be playing with the Xeno-Ancetors Genetics.... NOT to Create a Weapon, but to PERFECT themselves and Attempt to gain the SAME kind of Reincarnation that the Starbeast has.

The ONLY kind of Success like this we actually had seen is via RIPLEY 8 but this Shows that the Xenomorph DNA maybe HOLDS THE KEY to what Peter Weyland was after ;)

I think there is Quite a lot of Ambiguity with Prometheus and also in WHAT we hear Ridley Scott say.

When he said part of the Questions are WHAT is a Soul, then its Really open for Interpretation and Debate.

What we see from the Perspective of Dr Shaw is that BELIEF in a Spiritual Soul that Exists inside of us that will go on to LIVE for Eternity if we Worship and have Faith in our GOD provided we Live a Life that does-not Displease this GOD.  However what we Discover is our Creators are FAR from the Benevolent God that she may have Faith in, after Discovering she could be WRONG she Returns to her Faith to ask "Who made them" and so Despite the Revelations she had Discovered her FAITH gave her the WILL to Carry on.

The ONLY time we hear about the SOUL in the Movie was when Peter Weyland said that it is SOMETHING that David could NEVER have.  Which is him saying  that only Humans have this Spiritual Soul that Dr Shaws Faith/Religion would suggest can Live on after Death.  However Weyland is NOT really a Believer as if he 100% Thought his SOUL would Live on in a After-Life he would NOT want to be trying to Track Down our Creators.

So if we are looking at our SOUL as being the Inner Spirit that will LIVE ON when we Die, be that in Heaven, or Tortured in Hell or Wander the World as a Ghost.  Then i do Suspect that we would NOT have Concluded as such in the Prequels.

The Emphasis of this Question seemed to Reflect back to David and his Reaction as "he is just a F-ing Robot after all"

But when your looking at what is SOUL then apart from a Genre of Music, and the Spiritual Essence of us. Then you can say having SOUL can also imply.

1) Putting all your Effort into something (Heart and Soul).

2) Determine how Good a Person you are as David said to Dr Shaw "your very kind of Heart" meaning she has a Good Soul.

3) The Experiences we have that Mold our Personality, that Determine what kind of a Person we Are, Kind, Cruel but also our Memories and Ambition.

Those (3) are what you would Expect would Live On once our Physical Body would Die.... it is those that are Transferred to the Clones in the Movie The 6th Day it is that which is Transferred to a A.I in the Movie Transcendence.

And so IF (and we are talking Sci-Fi) you had a way to UPLOAD Number (3) of a Human to some A.I/Storage and Transfer that to another Clone Body or even a Machine/Robot.  Then you would have a KIND OF like Afterlife...

But ALAS it seems Mankind had NOT been able to Accomplish that and the Engineers too.

But with David we see he has Very Human Emotions he has Ambition, Aspirations and as he is A.I and his A.I Memory can be Backed Up and Stored and likely Transferred then its kind of IRONIC that what Peter Weyland says that David has NO SOUL.... when actually he is the ONLY being who has a SOUL and can have a After-Life.

The ONLY other Person we see who could FIT with having a After-Life/Resurrection was RIPLEY via Ripley 8 has she retained some of Ripleys Memories/Emotions etc.

The Xenomorph DNA had provided some kind of Storage of her SOUL.

I think that IF the Ancestral Roots of the Xeno-DNA etc is Traced to a Organism that does this (Genetic Memory Transfer) then the ENGINEERS would Certainly be Interested in UNLOCKING as to WHY/HOW this Happens so that THEY can Gain some kind of IMMORTALITY too.

By the way though Black-Ant some Very Interesting Comments ;)

@BigDave, neat post to be sure...

"Clone their SOUL,"? What do you mean by SOUL?

I like to think of a person as just a person or a sentient machine as just a sentient machine. At some point religion clouds our judgement and morality.

Am I really free to do as I please or am I forever to be judged because what my SOUL retains from the creators higher ideas. Will we all ever be really free in the sense that we may choose our path truly independent of judgement.

This goes without saying of course that to live a free and virtuous life has nothing to do with the SOUL anyway. It just means you live a life that is fulfilling and not harmful to others. We are always taught through religion though that we are born with original sin and so in other words can never be free without being forgiven first for just existing.

For just the act of existing we are all already wrong and not allowed to pursue anything with out prior approval and forgiveness of our "SIN" the sin of just existing without excepting God's approval.

This negates real freedom.....now of course there are people that advocate you can only really have ever lasting real immortality through accepting God.

So this is just part of what RS was putting out there and you can see this most importantly through the cross that Dr. Shaw wears so prominently throughout the movie. Then Peter Weyland says himself in his own words...try harder to get me in contact with those GOD-LIKE aliens so I do not die and can have immortality.

He financed the entire mission because he believed the Engineers to be the progenitors of the seeding of Earth and so he believed they would have naturally invited him to join them because he made the journey to meet with them.

However, he comes to find that the Engineers are not the benevolent Gods he thought they may be and they kill him instead.

My point in all of this and for this discussion is that any way you look at it this entire universe is out to get all of us - and it does in the end. It gets all of us.

So the conclusion me must draw from all of these movies, tales, books, belief systems is that in the very end you and only you must rely on the tools that you truly believe in to sustain and extend yourself. Everything else is in fact a one way dead end street. Cloning and passing your consciousness into another construct is nonsense.

We must look much deeper at the meaning of the underlying operating systems that we are built from in order to understand how complex the problem of sustaining our atomic lattice would be to attain something even remotely close to immortality.

First there is the question of what really is an Atom...and if we have not fully figured out gravity well we don't really know anything about atoms. However, I digress...we know enough about atoms to replace them. So this will do for a very long time....if only there were a machine that worked quickly enough at the sub atomic level to rebuild atoms.....hummmmm I wonder ???? There seems to be another post about quantum computers some where and then sub atomic machines working faster than the speed of light....or some such nonsense like all the nonsense of these machine working right at the speed of light that we are all writing these posts with and such....oh well you can only illuminate the path for others so much before the lights go out for eternity.

@MonsterZero,

"If they cloned (path to immortality ) Peter Weyland, would he retain ownership of Weyland industries? or at least a voice in the company? I don't see the company wanting to deal with this and why he will remain dead."

If they made a sentient computer and transferred his consciousness to the hardware would he still own the company?

There are a Number of ways to look at IMMORTALITY, one of those being to become Immortalized.

But if we are Specifically looking at WHAT it is that Peter Weyland wanted then he wanted Eternal Life (or at least a VASTLY increased Life).  And so with this we have to talk about the SOUL as this is also something Ridley Scott had wanted to ask about.

And to Simply Clone Someone does-not really mean Immortality or Resurrection on its own, because you could have 5 Clones of yourself from Birth that are all Raised in Different Places/Environments and they would ALL not be Identical beings ONLY in the Physical Sense.

I would be Certain that Peter Weylands Company could CLONE a Person. But you would also NEED to Clone their SOUL.  This brings me to the Movie "The 6th Day"  if you are Familiar with the Plot it takes us to a Company that is able to Take a Snap-shot of your Mind/Memories/Personality and then Transfer them into a Clone should you DIE.

If Peter Weyland had managed to Achieve this then he would NOT have needed to go Chasing after the Gods.  You cant help but think that MAYBE he had tried to Achieve such a Feat.  The Idea i had for my Prometheus 2 in 2013 followed the SAME kind of Concept.

A Being who has this Ability is David, he can surely have his A.I Soul backed up and Transferred to another Synthetic Body. My Prometheus 2 idea had Weyland find a way to Back Up a Human Soul into a A.I and then Transfer this into a Synthetic Body (but also back into a Human Brain if he wished).  It would have been to SHOW that Peter Weylands was Obsessed with Cheating Death, and in Part his Creation of Synthetics/A.I was to eventually allow them to be the IMMORTAL BODY that he could UPLOAD his SOUL into.

But the Results became Unstable and so he was Left with No Option but eventually to Grasp at the Chance to Meet our Makers.

In Reality should we EVER be able to Accomplish such a Feat as that, (same as The 6th Day Plot too) then you would have Nearly Obtained Immortality.  Once you can UPLOAD your SOUL into a A.I then you are on that Transcendence to Immortality (as the Movie with the same Name had shown).  The Scary thing is maybe ONE DAY we could to a degree Achieve this.

When you bring up "would he retain ownership of Weyland industries" its Interesting because would a CLONE have any Human Rights?  Certainly a Robot would NOT and so IF you Uploaded your SOUL into a Synthetic would you Cease to be HUMAN and Loose your Rights?

This is something i touched on with my P2 Idea as we have Vickers being ALIVE and SHE would Inherit the Company, but she is LATTER Discovered to be Synthetic (after being attacked by Yutani Geisha Androids) and as a Synthetic then she has NO RIGHTS and so the Company goes to Weylands Nephew (In Part) but as Part of a Deal he made with Yutani they gained some Assets and eventually this leads to the Merger.

But to Summarize if you FOUND a Way to UPLOAD your SOUL into a A.I that can then be Transferred either into a CLONE BODY or SYNTHETIC then you would have to a Degree gained some kind of Immortality..  but its NOT a ETERNAL LIFE as Nothing Really is Eternal.

If they cloned (path to immortality ) Peter Weyland, would he retain ownership of Weyland industries? or at least a voice in the company? I don't see the company wanting to deal with this and why he will remain dead.

Immortality sounds like heaven, but I'd think the legalities and entropy would quickly put a damper on the festivities.

Regarding the Jesus the Engineer it was Ridley Scott who indicated as such, he was basically referencing the DATE of the Outbreak/Intended Destruction of Mankind.

He had said in regards to the Coincidental Date that we should look at it as though Mankind was Misbehaving and so the Engineers sent down a Emissary to Steer us Back on Track but we Crucified him and so that was the LAST STRAW for them.  But they felt this was being a Little too on the Nose.

I dont think with Prometheus we should look at it as a Christian Story but that it Encompasses all Ancient Religion and Culture as Interpretations of Interaction with the Engineers in the Past.  And so its likely the Engineers over Time had many Emissaries they had living among us.

We could find some way to maybe link the Trinity as this is a Concept that is seen in Various Religions too.

Regarding a GOD then who knows in the Alien Universe and maybe its something that is BEST LEFT alone... as far as a SINGLE CREATOR who Created Everything but then its still Interesting to Ponder especially if our Reality is Actually just a Simulated Existence Created by some ANCIENT A.I/MACHINE.

But in regards to WHOM had Created the Engineers then i think there are other Layers above them, its a case of HOW MANY LAYERS and as you Peal Back the Layers when do you REACH something that is NOT HUMANOID at all?

I think a BIG Disappointment with Prometheus and the Engineers and Especially how we had them Continued in Alien Covenant is that i think  FANS just did-not see them as ALIEN enough.... maybe Needed something more Lovecraft with a HR Giger Twist and i still THINK that this is POSSIBLE.

After all Ridley Scott said the Engineers are NOT really Gods.... it seems they wanted to become as Gods though.

@DK

I agree to a degree.... the PLOT is Epic as a Stand Alone Movie Series, but being tied to ALIEN had meant it had became Shackled to ALIEN and we see the Consequences of that with Alien Covenant.

I like the idea of who created "gods." I just don't like it in the Alienverse. It's still my opinion that Prometheus would have been much better as something that had nothing to do with Alien.

I swear I read something long ago that said that Jesus Christ was supposedly an engineer? Not sure if it was a fan theory or confirmed, but it's an interesting idea to explore.

Not to blaspheme, but when looking at the concept of the Holy Trinity, that could be a way to explain the Higher Power/Powers that created the Engineers. The Holy Spirit interpreted as a being of pure energy and then God as an extremely powerful alien deity that used/worked with the Holy Spirit to create the Engineers. From here, we can even liken Angels to being another alien species that serve the Creators. In the fictional universe that is the Alien franchise, it could be that the Bible was humanity's way of attempting to understand the teachings that the Engineer who was known as Jesus Christ preached.

Blackant thats VERY INTERESTING... I think it would FIT more with the GOD TOPIC i created (partially Created in response to what was being said on here but going OFF TOPIC)

"The multiverse is not so much as necessary a concept"

I think its interesting to Ponder Multiverses and Inter-dimensions.  Who knows HOW FAR our Technology can Progress in 100 Years, but we maybe cant Fathom what we could be like in 1000, never mind 10'000.  The more Closer we get to being Gods and playing God then i think there is that Risk of Hubris.

I think its this Hubris that Ridley Scott felt the Foundation of the Franchise should be about, its in Essence what he seemed to be more Interested in regards to his Prequels.  The Matrix is something that comes to Mind too as FAR as when your Creations become Sentient and Overthrow you and become so ADVANCED that you END UP in another Universe that is Actually a Created Dream of the NEW GODS who we Once Created.

Sadly i cant see the Franchise even Expanding to anything New, i think they MISSED the Boat with the Prequels as they could have Connected the Engineers Plot with some of HR Gigers ideas.

I will have to check that out Monster Zero ;)

When looking at the Franchise we had been introduced the PLOT that we was Created by the Engineers, and after Prometheus we had Ridley Scott say he DID-NOT want us to meet GOD in the First Movie.

So i was looking at IF there is a Creator or Creator Species then HOW MANY runs of the Ladder to you Explore?   So could any GOD or Gods be...

1) The Engineer Elders: We simply have a more Ancient Humanoid Race.

2) Another kind of Humanoid who are Closely Related to the Engineers but have some Slight Differences.

3) Some Species that would look more like the Space Jockey

4) Some Giant Alien Species that Bare No Resemblance to Humanoids.

5) Some Alien Species who have a Cephalopod Aesthetic to them.

6) Some Alien Species who have some Resemblance to the Xenomorph.

7) Some kind of Machine/A.I

8) Or some Entity that is just Energy.

A Example of the 8 i have placed in the Banner Image, just for Reference but we could think of something that does-not have to look like them.

@BigDave, Hox..........just incredible, remarkable, transcendental in fact! Truly beyond words.

I am not sure how you both keep up with these levels of introspection, detection, re-combinative, synthetic mastery of this subject the way you both do at times. It is absolutely astounding. BigDave if there was ever a way to pull this entire franchise from the pit where it resides you just lifted it up effortlessly and I so humbly quote.. 

"Either way we see a Rebellion a Fall of these Ancient Godlike beings where the Engineers Ancestors then either Inherent the FIRE of the GODS or they Steal it.

The THEMES of Hubris when Sub-Creating or Engineering and TRYING to Play God come into PLAY at the Higher Level.

You DONT even Need the Xenomorph as you can WRITE THEM OFF..."

Some how BigDave you solved it entirely I believe. The equation works...the vision is grand enough all else can be forgive and so much is way in the past.

It is almost biblical what you are saying in a way too. These most ancient of themes that will eternally play out on grander scales where mere mortals are always the currency by which the Gods divine a larger flock, or create more enemies. 

Hox I think where you are going is equally prophetic as well. Your science is accurate.

So I understand it as such in this way. Please follow along. Human beings have had a spectacular evolution in the past 150 years. Our collective science has taken a complete departure from all the rest of human history. The very machines we communicate back and forth with on are proof of this and so much more. 

My main point in all of this is the structural necessity of so many things that were once completely all dependent all on analog structures. Our collective mechanical science was just crude elemental parts that our collective hands could build, the cogs and wheels if you will. However, in todays subjective scientific gestalt lays this newly found world of possibilities where machines are self building from the nano-layer (atomic lattice) and bootstrapping themselves right into the desired larger mechanisms of force. 

So this is power to behold. The next level is below the electron at the quark field and so on and so forth. So far it is all looking like we go sub electron in the next hundred years and so you do have these machine spaceships grown from the basic elements; but, more importantly you have them do it even quicker from the sub atomic level with a digital catalyst much faster than the speed of light.

Now this gentleman is stealing fire from God. I have mentioned before machines that work faster than the speed of light. Just give that a little more consideration as how it might apply to computers and digital self assembling things.

Human beings, all of us objectively, we are elucidating, deriving these new methods from all the digital systems that we have constructed that work at the speed of light. Now the real work must be done to go faster than the speed of light through sub atomic interactions, aka quantum mechanics.

Even though both of you are not scientists in the strictest of terms, what you are both saying is equally enlightening. There will be a great leap in the next 50 years as quantum computing evolves rapidly and then overtakes all other forms of thinking derivatively in every aspect of mankind.

What you are both saying is part of that next evolution through the sub atomic interactions where self mechanization is no longer the priority and this business of what is it to be a God comes fully into realization.

This was meant to be no matter what. In fact it is unavoidable. No matter what we all do next...there will be quantum computers....then there will be an even more faster mastery of self assembly at through the sub atomic level below the electron.

The aliens that inhabit all the trillions of galaxies all around us did not need to conquer or fight wars for more land. Land as we understand space in three dimensions and one variable of time is only a small barrier field. The real idea of this place is what happens when you combine other faster interactions than the speed of light. The concept of space in three dimensions is then forever irrelevant. Space and time become arbitrary concepts - infinite sets of coordinates. The multiverse is not so much as necessary a concept as the idea to project your ideas and manifest them where and when you want them is what is most important in any further scientific endeavor. The freedom to choose when, where, and why are so explicit. You both tacitly cling to the vestiges of this arcane prior analog world and yet your voices are loud and clear you secretly dream of the freeness of digital through sub atomics. 

Maybe this is not more formally understood to the both of you. Your minds can be locked in these analog functions where to dream is almost the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge. You may look brothers but don't touch, you can touch but don't eat....you may eat brothers but don't enjoy....you know the rest. Rebellion has always been at the core of our desires to be more...

We are all still primitives comparatively as it stands right now. We are all still stumbling around in the dark looking for the light....the right illumination to show us the way. Your grasps at real divinity are what all men have fought and died for though-out the ages. 

Mere fake wealth in the forms of derivatives will not do. You both want the real thing. Just remember all real things do and must come at a price.

I am not sure if we will see the Engineers who knows?

To me the PLOT from Images i have seen and what we know so far  would maybe Indicate this TV series could be SET like 50-75 Years before ALIEN and on Earth where Humans would Discover a Crashed Engineer Ship at Sea.

I cant see WHY they DONT make it SET like after ALIEN 3 and say 2200-2300 i think IF its SET between 2040-2080 that could Contradict the WHOLE FRANCHISE.

I think before we had Alien Covenant then YES i think you could have Explored some Ancient Origin to all that Technology and Aesthetic and had INTRODUCED another Layer before the Engineers.

The Engineers Ancestors could have been some RACE that say another HIGHER RACE had either....

1) Came Across and USED them for Hosts and were Worshiped as Gods by the Engineers Ancestors.

2) As above but THEY had Engineered  the Engineers Ancestors from some Race they Came Across.

3) They had Created the Engineers Ancestors from Scratch.

Either way we see a Rebellion a Fall of these Ancient Godlike beings where the Engineers Ancestors then either Inherent the FIRE of the GODS or they Steal it.

The THEMES of Hubris when Sub-Creating or Engineering and TRYING to Play God come into PLAY at the Higher Level.

You DONT even Need the Xenomorph as you can WRITE THEM OFF...

You can Introduce the Engineers former Enslavers and these Guys have a Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic like  the Xenomorph...... RE-INVENT the STARBEAST.

Maybe a H.P. Lovecraft type universe? But...

...I'd rather they stay with the Hard Sci-Fi angle.

Do some Ian M. Banks like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_(novel)

Iln, Veil and the Oct like creatures, Shellworlds, etc.... This stuff is light years ahead of Alien verse and probably difficult to introduce....But that would get my vote.

I think OP misinterpreted what RS said.

"because ‘Prometheus’ woke it up very well".

This part is important to keep in mind. It basically means it reignited new interest in the Alien universe since it introduced new ideas. RS also said face hugger / chest burster memes are getting old after 40 decades, so they will likely stick to the new and fresh Prometheus/AC arc.

In addition to that i expect the next film will focus more on the Engineers in the same sense as Prometheus teased it back in the days.

Nice to see this forum is still alive after my second hibernation and seeing some known forum folks.

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I guess everything is better than AC if they do it well in regards of intertwining arcs in the Alien Universe.

But  my assumption is they will focus on Weyland, AI and early deep space travel. Like reaching Mars and etablishing an outpost, Asteroid mining, etc. Basically 19th century gold rush but in space this time.

Not much about Engineers beyond what we saw in the prologue in Prometheus.

@BigDave, that gels with my own thoughts about the derelict - that it is in a sense 'alive' and bio-mechanical. More grown than manufactured. It could stem from a time that pre-dates Engineers even. We need more thinking like that, to take us away from the mundane concerns of humans, and more in the direction of a universe that is utterly ALIEN in nature.