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I think its Interesting they would be TRYING to offer something different to the Generic Face Hugger and it so a Worm that Burrows into a Host would be adding something Different, as we have Seen Face Huggers a LOT and they just DONT have the Effect they USED to once you have seen them a LOT.  (But the Face Hugger itself is still ICONIC and Creepy... more Scary/Freaky than the Xenomorph itself IMO).

I think looking into these Concepts  and other i have seen i think WHILE they are TRYING to show us a Few Different things, (Mutations, Experiments) i think the Emphasis still comes down to RIPLEY vs QUEEN.

I dont think you NEED to go and Bring Back the Gang.

Also some of the Concepts seem SILLY to me like the QUEEN SUIT i mean thats more Shocking than the PRED-KILLER SUIT.

However the Artists is ONLY doing their Job and the Quality of their Drawings is Very Good i have to Applaud them for that, HOPEFULLY they can get more Work as they are Talented.

However i am GLAD we have not got Blomkamps ALIEN V but i think some of the Ideas could be Carried Over and i dont know WHY they could NOT go and incorporate some into a Continuation from Alien Resurrection.

I like Blomkamp's Alien V. But thеse slug-worms are felt very generic.

So Hicks is still injured?

Weapon is cool. I like it. Maybe grown from Juggernaut material ( Black goo ) or an Engineers weapon.

It just looks like ALIENS ? Aliens 1.5 

Maybe some exterior shots of where this takes place.....Earth, Mars, LV426, Timbuktu?

In Regards to the Engineers i know that some had been DISAPPOINTED with what we saw in Alien Covenant.  However RS did say that they ARE how he INTENDED them to look.

I think if you look at them, then if they Spent a Extra 45 Min in Make Up each, then you could have given them a Pale Skin that has more Gloss (this could also be Highlighted in CGI) and then they could have had Contact Lenses in and LOOKED a bit more like in Prometheus.

THIS would NOT have Greatly Increased Budget or Production Time and so MAYBE the Aesthetic was NOT due to Budget/Time and INDEED this is just HOW they wanted our Engineers to appear.

Looking at his Comments it seems the Intention could be that the LV-223 Engineers are either

1) Sub-Created Superior Species for a Purpose and so they are Basically like Engineer Replicants and so similar to David.

2) A Group of Engineers who are Genetically Modified/Evolved and then its a Case of was this the Engineer Agenda, or was this a Faction of Engineers who had Genetically Altered themselves?

Ridley Scott had spoken about the Engineers in Alien Covenant, and he had said they are NOT a RACE but they are a Civilization, he had also said prior that just because Humans have different Races then WHY cant the same be said for the Engineers.  I also recall he had said those on Planet 4 where the Original Engineers.

I know this may seem a Disappointment as it makes the Space Jockey become something EVEN LESS ALIEN.  But the KEY THEME is that ANYONE can become a Creator with the Knowledge and Technology.  Lets say that some Scientist managed to Combine the Best Traits of a Human and Ape, just to show THEY COULD! and so we have Created a PLANET OF THE APES Species... the HUBRIS is this Species could OVERTHROW us and so we get to a PLANET OF THE APES.... and the Hubris/Tale would be thats WHAT you GET for Playing GOD.

But such a PLOT does mean the Engineers are NOT as GODLIKE as some would have wanted to see, then its like i Mentioned on another TOPIC.... if you took a Group of Humans from 100 Years Time in a Time-Traveling Vehicle and they went back in Time say 2000-3000 Years ago then THEY would seem somewhat GODLIKE.

I still think it would be a GOOD IDEA to Introduce a Race who came before the Engineers and have them appear more GODLIKE.

However i think HAD we seen RS get to Continue with the Prequels then such a ALPHA Race would actually be Created by David on Origae-6 and maybe become the Space Jockey on LV-426

I have to AGREE with most of that ;)

YES you never had to have Xenomorphs, you could have had Similar but Different, but then with Prometheus you had the Potential to STEER AWAY from the Xenomorph and LV-223/426.

The Prometheus Plot had Scope... and RS had said he felt the Alien Franchise could/should be where Star Trek and Star Wars are.... NOW i dont think he meant as BIG as those Franchises.

I think he is looking at the World Explorations.. with the Engineers Plot its UNLIKELY all we have is those Engineers on Planet 4 and LV-223 and Humans on Earth!

So YES we could have had MANY WORLDS, and MANY RACES and HOW would they GET ON? etc.

Star Trek is SET in our HUGE GALAXY... and Star Wars is SET in a GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY!

With the Engineers Plot we are NOT just Confined to ONE GALAXY...... so YES you could have Countless Worlds and Races and Conflicts and Horrors.

Exactly with this TOPIC i hope to engage people to show that you CAN have other Worlds with ALIENY THINGS... but you also could have Worlds that have NO Real Aliens, well NOT as FAR as anything related to LV-223/Xenomorphs.

With the Engineers Plot you have Potentially Hundreds or Thousands of Worlds, with Many Races, some more Human than others and maybe NOT all of them are Creations of the Engineers at all.

The Engineers Plot really is UNCAPPED POTENTIAL... thats before we even TRY to think about WHO had Created them!

That was just say a Snippet i Wrote on the Fly ;)

The Principle Idea would be that the Juggernaught had Docked and Bombarded the Planet and the Docking Ship tried to Release but something cause BOTH of them to Crash.

The Dialog i put would be that AFTER the Juggernaught had Crashed it would Activate a Warning System and Begin to Automatically OPEN the Cryo-Sleep Pods.

So David would RUSH OVER to Prevent Dr Shaw from Leaving (he at this Point would NOT want her to DIE), but he has NOT been Totally Honest with her as we know he DEPLOYED the Pathogen.

Awaking Confused and then Banging her Head would mean she WOULD-NOT be to aware of what was going on and unable to ASK many Questions.

NEXT we would have David keep her in Cryo-sleep for a Few Weeks while the Pathogen takes its Course.  He then awakens her AGAIN... she asks what has Happened to the Engineers, he would then say they are ALL GONE.. The Pathogen had Leaked after the Crash and that its NOT SAFE outside.

David would then convince her to STAY on the SHIP in Certain Areas and she would make her self a MAKE-SHIFT sleeping Quarters and she would have some Rations Left (from the Life-Boat) and David is able to Obtain some Water from the Ship.

David would COME and GO to Inspect the Planet and say he is checking for when it can become SAFE. When the Water Supply seems LOW, then David would Discover some more from the CITY and say that the Engineers had some Water Storage that the Pathogen has NOT infected...   he would then over Weeks gather Food that he says is PERFECTLY FINE to Eat.

He says the Virus only affects the Meat, and that the OUTSIDE is NOT SAFE yet and Sadly the Engineers are GONE...  Then when David is Gone then Dr Shaw discovers some Drawings he has DONE, a Study of Flora but also Fauna and she Questions David... he says he found a LAKE  that the Creatures in there are NOT really Infected, she gets Suspicious... 

When David goes again, she Explores outside and Discovers the AIR is Breathable but she cant see ANY signs of Life.... she goes back inside and when David arrives he has a FISH he Cooks for her saying its SAFE and she Needs Protien.

She gets Suspicious and Asks David about the Environment is it SAFE and he ensures her its NOT SAFE to go out the Pathogen is still Airborne... she asks HOW it has NOT effected the FISH he got her... David said its from a LAKE that is Past the City and its NOT infected.  But its NOT SAFE to leave the Ship yet, when the Pathogen is SAFE he will take her to this Garden where he has got Various Fruit and he will take he to the LAKE.

Then David will leave again and said he would be Long Time, like 8 Hours as he is going to EXPLORE further.  She waits a SMALL WHILE... then Follows him, keeping her Distance.... she Discovers that she can see NO SIGN of Life but David must have got the FISH from some place.... she realizes she seems to have NO EFFECTS for being OUTSIDE and so David has NOT been Honest.

She then comes to the CITY sees the Dead Engineers, she HIDES as David is seen Leaving the Cathedral and goes OFF to the West.... She realizes that David has TOLD the TRUTH the Engineers are GONE... but she seems to have NO EFFECTS.... so she goes into the Cathedral.

She is in just as much AWE of the Cathedral as she was with the Statues, but she was Disturbed by the Dead Engineers... even taking Pity as she saw a Few Females before she Entered the Cathedral.

She would make her way to the HALL OF HEADS and she gets Emotional, she sees in the Room before some VATS of Water, which is what David must have been getting, she Questions as to IF all of the Engineers are Gone...

She hears a Noise!  She goes to investigate and Discovers Davids Workshop, she is SHOCKED, she then sees Drawings of Engineers, Autopsies etc, then Baby and Infant Skulls and Skeletal Remains... then the Plasticized Engineer.

She realizes that SOME of the Engineers must have Survived, she then Hears the Noise again, and Faint Moaning... she then makes a SHOCKING DISCOVERY!

She comes Across a Chained Up Female Engineer who is Bound and Gagged, Dr Shaw is Saddened, she then notices a Dead Female who has NOT long been Dead and is on a Table with her Womb Removed... 

The Female Engineer Moans... and Points... Dr Shaw enters through a Door that the Engineer was pointing towards and sees a Cage with Engineer Infants, all Emaciated. three in Number, and then in the Corner is another Female Engineer who is Chained Up but she is Barely Alive.  Dr Shaw goes over to her and Removes her Gag, she looks on to Dr Shaw, as her Hand are Untied (Dr Shaw reluctantly does so) the Engineer Elder Female points to the Infants and Speaks, we know Dr Shaw cant Understand her Words, but she knows what she means.

The Engineer then looks at Dr Shaw and Smiles and Mutters a Final Word before she PASSES AWAY...

Dr Shaw goes to look for a KEY to the Cage, she then goes into the other Room and is about to UNTIE the other Female Engineer.... WHEN!

David turns up "My my aren't you a Nosy Parker"

Dr Shaw goes to Grab a Knife but David is too Quick, he throws Dr Shaw to the FLOOR and then he turns to the Female Engineer and SLITS her Throat... David says "I have no more Need for you my Dear"

He then turns to Dr Shaw and tells her she should NOT have left the Ship and came here, she Demands to know what has he been doing!  She asks him WHY has he been Lying!

David Proceeds to tell Dr Shaw that he DID ALL OF THIS for Her, he knows the Engineers would NOT have welcomed Dr Shaw, and they would surely have NOT taken kindly to HIM and so he had WIPED this World Clean for Dr Shaw.

He then tells her some of the Engineers managed to get to this PLACE and SEAL themselves away from the Pathogen, but the Pathogen infected the Food Supply near by and Water Outside within the City Grounds, he said Escaping the Pathogen was the Least of their Worries, and that OUTSIDE the Pathogen had lead to some interesting Results.  He points towards some Organisms like the Neomorph.

He goes on to tell her eventually with Lack of Water and Food the Engineers became Weak and RIPE for the pickings and so David made his MOVE.

He said that he had Experimented on the Females to TRY and Find a way so he could HELP with Dr Shaw to allow her to BARE CHILDREN.... he said that they could START a NEW EDEN together.

He then said he could NOT Quite Figure a way for her to Create but he felt that she could be EVOLVED and the Pathogen could then FIX her Reproductive System.  He said the Child that you and Holloway had was just the Start, and that he could Perfect it.

He Pointed to some Interesting Results he had with the Engineers. And says the Attempts with them was NOT so Fruitful, he said and WHILE that Dr Shaw could not CREATE, what she had Created with Holloway seems Superior.

Dr Shaw screams at David, she is Angry and said THEY was Supposed to get some Answers, and David said those Answers do-not matter your kind are merely a Off-Shoot of the Engineers a Insuperior Experiment and nothing more, your GODS dont Love you then Abandoned you... but David said he Loves her and would NEVER go and Abandon her.

He asks her to JOIN HIM and together they can Rebuild Paradise...

She Smiles at him and says she can Consider it, he says he will clean the Mess up and will Join her, with that she then HITS David from behind with a Plate as he is Bent Over the Dead Engineer Female, she then makes  RUN FOR IT!

She has Rejected David.... and he does-not take KINDLY to Rejection, she can TRY and Escape with the Juggernaught but its GOING NO-WHERE and David will eventually Catch Her!

When he does he will tell her "i knew you would reject me, you have no love for no one but your God, well i have made some success at being a Creator but the Results where NOT as Perfect as i hoped, i have NO NEED for the Engineers now i have you"

"Do Not Fear.... you will be a Good Mother and our Children will be Perfect"

This is the EVENTS for when things TURN BAD between David and Dr Shaw.

Just a random thought: what if the Engineers looked at their civilization as the top of the creation? By doing that they want to spread and not be on just one planet but through-out the galaxy? Could they have conquered other planets (compare it to the Europeans that came to America) and if so what happened to the indigenous life-forms.

"Had this Civilization been Attacked and Suffered a Bombardment of Black Goo?"

By another one? Maybe there is another sort of civilization out there in the franchise and not just the Engineers and humans? Who knows what that would be but it would fit with the war of the worlds thing. I wouldn't mind another civilization being introduced depending on how it's done but I would prefer if they would expand on the Engineers.

"Had this Civilization ventured out and Discovered something they SHOULD NOT HAVE?"

Humans have tried to domesticate different animals, like how we got dogs. Maybe humans have tried to domesticate other animals where it didn't succeed so maybe that could have happened to the Engineers also? You could get different kind of monsters in the franchise, monsters that we haven't seen before? The thing is to get the Engineers right and make sense of it while having some mystery and not explain everything.

The black goo is interesting, and I don't count David's babbling about it in that viral clip. If it's not in the movie then it hardly counts so it's good that they didn't have that in AC. Don't explain everything and also don't make it all about David because that's crap.

"And so with the Prequels i think some Fans wanted to KNOW more about the Engineers their Culture, History, WHY they Seed Worlds and WHAT other Worlds/Races have they Created."

Yes! Expand the franchise, don't take steps back.

The Fifield Zombie/mutant was lame, probably one of the worst monsters in the franchise. I'm not saying this because it pisses me off, I'm just comparing it to other monsters that we have in the franchise. Zombies should be for zombie-movies, leave them out of the alien-franchise.

"LACKED any kind of Xenomorph Replacement..."

I think that the new monsters made by the goo were interesting, the worst was the Zombie-fifield. The Neomorph was kind of close to the Xeno and if the goo brings Xeno-traits then what if it infects another life-form but it gets less Xeno-traits but still is linked? By doing that there is a link but still something new.

Not interested in seeing 500 Xenos again, give me more about the Engineers and have well-written human characters. Leave David and the focus on androids out of it.

"They seem to NOT be so keen on making Androids the Center Point, but indeed the Rivalry between Human Companies and Factions and Agendas is always INTERESTING."

I would rather have that than anything about androids. Not to say that you can't have androids in it but they are not what it should be about. People have their ideas what the franchise should be about but I'm not interested in the focus on androids because AC did this and it made me disappointed. They need to bring back the unknown and isolation because at least that's what made it work to me. Bring back well-done characters.

"Are the Engineers ONLY found on Planet 4 and LV-223?  (UNLIKELY)"

Hopefully not, that could be a way to expand the franchise but then you got to show how they differ from each-other. If you have Engineers on planet A and B then it is likely that there are differences between them, both how they organize society and also how the planets look like.

That picture looks like something out of a Transformers-movie, in other words stupid. Can't they just stop it and realize that Ripley has had her time? Move on with something else instead of throwing Ripley and her cousins and what ever into other things, even having Amanda Ripley in it feels like a parody. As much as I am tired of David and the android-thing Ripley feels more played out. Try again

I have listened to a podcast (AVP-galaxy podcast I think) where they discuss various comments by Scott about the franchise and they seemed to be of the opinion that he changes his mind often. First he is interested in the guy in the chair and then he changes his interest to David, and then he goes back to the Engineers again. It's like he can't make up his mind. One thing that they said is that he has got to play along with the studio so maybe that is a thing also.

Proud of Prometheus? As he should be but according to the documentary of Prometheus he mostly happy about cutting the movie down to two hour (according to the Xenomorphing podcast). Going for a run-time should not be important, if the movie is being reduced in quality because of a director that thinks that he must cut it down to get ticket sales then something is wrong. There are deleted scenes on Youtube that I've watched and they would have improved the movie greatly if they would have been left in. Deleting those scenes makes me wonder if Scott and Fox know what they are doing but now we have the Disney situation which is what it is.

Covenant was a mistake because they didn't learn from the criticism from Prometheus. All they thought people wanted was the Xeno and then everything else would be fine, guess what? It didn't

Three bad things about Covenant:

1. Lame human characters except for Oram and Faris
2. The focus on androids wasn't very good
3. Making the Xeno a result of a mad android was crap although I understand it thematically it sucks story-wise.

Both Scott and Fox are to blame
I would like to see (if they will continue the prequels):

1. Better human characters, this is a must and they should not release another one either as a prequel-movie or an alien-movie before they get this right.
2. Less focus on androids
3. Make it clear that David just made his own version of the monster
4. More about the Engineers (society, culture, religion, science, and so on)

As for the franchise in general I would like to see:

1. New worlds
2. New monsters
3. New Life-forms, engineers and what not

Expand the franchise don't go back to things that we have seen over and over. Like
I've said Star Wars and Star Trek can do this so the alien-verse could do that too. They need good stories and relatable human characters to get it right, the team responsible for it got to understand that, until then we're fucked (to paraphrase Alien 3).

I agree with you Chris on this one. It would be sad if they would erase the Engineers and give us another Xeno-movie. We have had Xenos in the first four and the AVP's and also in Alien Covenant although briefly (due to studio-pressure?). Even though Prometheus is very flawed adding the Engineers was a very good thing since it expanded the franchise. To me they should introduce new worlds, and new civilizations and not just have the Xeno every time because that gets old.

About the Engineers, I pretty much preferred those in Prometheus compared to those in AC. The Prometheus-Engineers looked bigger and more alien. Unfortunately the Engineers in Alien Covenant looked more like people with face-paint. Maybe they looked like that because of the budget so they couldn't make them more interesting and also they were just in the movie briefly. Let's think about it, if you will just have something in a short scene then maybe you won't care that much to make it look good compared to other things that will feature for a longer time in the movie. What BD said about the original Engineers and the steroid-version makes sense but it makes the original ones look lame if we by the originals mean those that we saw briefly in AC. They could have looked more interesting and alien.

Maybe there will be a new movie some day (doubtful at this point) and then I hope that they will be back. Hopefully we will see both the smaller Engineers and the bigger ones. They are just too interesting to throw in the trash-can. Star Trek and Star Wars can have different things so why not the Alien-franchise? Eventually it won't make as much money but you can at least expand it beyond what we had in the first four even though Resurrection is a joke with some good things in it.

The Engineers have potential, you just have to make them interesting and make sense of it.

If I were to level one criticism, it’s that David goes on too much about being perfectly safe! Ridley would run a red line through all those repetitions :)

It must have been quite a journey for Dr Shaw to accompany David to the citadel, what with all those dead bodies littering the plaza. Although it would be quite amusing to see David say “Oops.”

Not to mention the bio-hazard of all the recent infection. How would David have guarded against that? Maybe they stuck it out in the juggernaut for a few months.

I like the idea of their futile attempt to suck the oxygen out of the ship.

@seedling

I made a Thread about what possible Story was to be Told between when David had arrived at Planet 4 and when the Covenant had arrived, Quite a LOT had taken place in those near 10 Years that we had NOT seen in Detail.

https://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/50439

I have added some Dialog from a Scene that i came up with as FAR as just after the Juggernaught had Crashed,its in that TOPIC above ;)

INT.  CRASHED ENGINEER JUGGERNAUT

As a Warning Siren goes off on the Ship, David rushes over towards the Cryo-Stasis Pod that Contains Dr Shaw.  The Capsule is starting to open up.

A dazed and confused Dr Shaw lies awake, she is coughing repeatedly, she sits up desperately trying to escape the Cryo-Pod.

DAVID

"Relax Elizabeth, try not to move too much just concentrate on breathing"

DR SHAW

"where am i, whats happened whats that sound"

DAVID

"Its fine just relax no need to panic you are in a state of shock"

DR SHAW

"Whats that sound David, what have you done"

DAVID

"Its a automated warning we have crashed and the Ships systems have released the Cryo-Sleeps Suspended Animation Systems"

Dr Shaws Face turns to serve Panic now.

DR SHAW

"crashed! how? where? why?"

DAVID

"just try to breath you are Perfectly Safe"

DR SHAW

"Were are we David"

DAVID

"Just concentrate on breathing you are in shock you need to relax, all will be revealed but first your health is my prime concern" 

Dr Shaw relaxes and takes deep breaths as David wonders over to the Juggernauts Control Centre and turns the alarm off.

DR SHAW

"Were we David? what the f**k have you done"

DAVID

"I have not done anything Dr Shaw you need to calm down"

DR SHAW

"Where are we?"

DAVID

"We have arrived"

DR SHAW

"Where? Paradise?"

DAVID

"I would be hesitant to call it such"

DR SHAW

"Are we there or not? what has happened?"

DAVID

"I am afraid we were not welcomed"

DR SHAW

"What do you mean? what have you done"

DAVID

"Relax i have not done nothing, i had attempted to make Contact with the Engineers and our Ship was pulled into their Docking Ship as a Automated Safety Protocol"

Dr Shaw cuts David off

DR SHAW

"What do you mean a Safety Protocol? what have you done David"

DAVID

"If you allow me to finish, our Ship was in the Process of being docked, i attempted to contact the Engineers and i then detected they attempted to Drain all the Oxygen from the Ship, they attempted to cut the Life Support and so i attempted to to pull the Ship away but it caused us to become released and loose control and we crashed into the Mountains"

DR SHAW

"what’s happened to them, why would they do that"

DAVID

"It seems they do not welcome any unwelcome visitors, so i panicked and tried to get us away"

DR SHAW

"You’re a Robot you can't Panic"

DAVID

"I feared for your safety and made a rather hasty decision that led to our Ship Crashing"

DR SHAW

"Where are they? what is going to happen to us"

Dr Shaw attempts to leave the Sleep Pod but she falls and bangs her head and she passes out.

POV DAVID

About 45 Minutes has passed by, we see David looking down at Dr Shaw who is now placed on a Medical Bed that was rescued from the Life Boat of the Prometheus.

DAVID

“Wakey wakey rise and shine”

Dr Shaw awakens she is confused.

DR SHAW

“Where am i? What’s going on!”

DAVID

“Shhhh! Stay calm drink this”

He hands Elizabeth a Glass of Water.

DR SHAW

“I had a strange dream!”

DAVID

“Just relax you have had a long journey”

DR SHAW

“Where are we what has happened?”

DAVID

“I have already told you we have crashed but you are Perfectly Safe”

Dr Shaw realizes she was not dreaming.

DR SHAW

“But what about the Engineers you said they tried to harm us!”

DAVID

“Do not worry about them they can no longer be any threat to you”

DR SHAW

“What do you mean David? What have you done?”

DAVID

“Nothing Elisabeth the Ship had crashed as i tried to get away, your Gods where attempting to kill us by disabling the Life Support and so i tried to escape but we crashed, and during the crash the Ships Cargo Bay had impacted the Mountain and the Cargo has leaked into the Attomosphere”

DR SHAW

“Where are they? I need to get to my Suit”

DAVID

“You are Quite Safe, i have locked the Doors to the other Areas of the Ship you are Quite Safe in here, unfortunately your Gods will discover what they had in store for your kind”

DR SHAW

“wha.. what do you mean David”

DAVID

“Some of the Pathogen has leaked from the Cargo Hold and into the Air, but you are Perfectly Safe on the Ship, as long as you remain here”

DR SHAW

“But what about them?”

David walks over to the Control Panel and he hits a button that displays a outside view, and David then Zooms in afar.

We can just make out in the distance a Crashed Engineer Docking Ship

DAVID

“It seems the Pathogen is more effective than you feared, not to worry you was Safe as you were in the Cryo-Pod its perhaps what saved your God on LV-223”

DR SHAW

“How  do you know they have all been infected David, how do you know i am safe?”

DAVID

“I cant be 100% sure, i will place you back into Cryo-sleep for a Few Weeks and Monitor the situation, and awaken you when i feel there is No Threat to this Ship, but i can’t say for how long it will take for outside to be safe”

With that Dr Shaw reluctantly agrees to allow David to place her back into Cryo-sleep, and Once again David is alone and Free.

Certainly it could have been Interesting to see WHAT it is that David could have DONE had they NOT had to Shoehorn the PLOT to introduce incoming Humans.

With the ONLY DNA of a Human Dr Shaw but with Engineer DNA on a World he has WASHED CLEAN!

But YES i think their Dynamic was Interesting, i am sure that David found it INTERESTING that the Faith of Dr Shaw gave her such a WILL to Carry On!

And also as to HOW would it Effect her Character when she has to FINALLY FACE THE FACT that her GOD does-not Exist and these Engineers are FAR from the Benevolent Gods she had HOPPED.

The Engineers being merely Humanoids who just have the Benefit of being around for MUCH LONGER and thus having more Advanced Tech who NOW deem they can GO and DESTROY their Creations at WILL.

Dr Shaw would LIKELY see these beings as NOT being WORTHY to be the JUDGE, JURY and EXECUTIONER of all they Created.

Imagine the Engineers discover Dr Shaw and David have TURNED UP and then Determine that INDEED their Creations had Advanced so FAR on their OWN to become a Threat and then Dr Shaw discovers that Earth is NOT the Only World were the Engineers have Humans or Humanoids.

The Engineers then Determine that THEY have to GO TO THOSE WORLDS which Include Earth and DESTROY them all!

Would Dr Shaw go and ACCEPT THAT?  or would SHE agree with DAVID that the Engineers should be STOPPED!

I mean...Prometheus scarred me to no end so...I guess I'm ok with this sentiment?

As far as the OT.. on the Contrary i think that Ridley Scott was PROUD of Prometheus and looking at his Comments after Alien Covenant it seems that he FELT that Prometheus was the RIGHT Direction and ahead of the Curve.

So i think that WHEN he said it was  MISTAKE he was refereeing to that Prometheus should have had more a CLUES to LV-426 and should have had a ALIEN MONSTER.

FOX seemed to think that Prometheus had LACKED this and that maybe the Prequels had to CONNECT to the Xenomorph.

In Reality then RIDLEY SCOTT was RIGHT... but i think you had to make some Connection Loosely in a Sequel and so i think Alien Covenant was a MISTAKE

I think HINDSIGHT is Wonderful.... and in Hindsight what they should have done is.

A Sequel that would go to LV-223 and introduce us to another David Model (Fassbender still cast) and this Sequel you make more ALIENY a bit like Alien Engineers where you have Something thats like the Xenomorph and you have more CLUES to HOW the Xenomorph was Created and GOT on the SHIP on LV-426 (but you did-not have to SHOW THIS) having another Ship where its Cargo are Eggs with a Variant of the Xenomorph would have DONE.

You would have had a more Action Alien Monster Fest to please some Fans, with more Clues to LV-426 and you could then have CLOSED THE DOOR to ALIEN but then you would have the Notion that the Black Goo can lead to Horrors like the Xenomorph and that OTHER ENGINEER Ships had Departed from LV-223, and so the Derelict is NOT the ONLY such Ship to have LEFT.

You can then Explore other ALIEN Movies in the Franchise thats NOT just Tied down to LV-426 and the Derelict and the Vanilla Xenomorph.

And THEN..... you could have GONE to where David and Dr Shaw are going and NOT have to be Shackled to ALIEN or  those Answers and had FREEDOM to Begin a SPIN-OFF Franchise.

"The script ties into ALIEN directly"

I would say NOT quite it seemed like Spaight had NEVER even watched ALIEN much, as their are Conflicts and Errors.  Seemed he was more Familiar with ALIENS.

If you Read his Drafts and take them as GOSPEL in every Detail they dont Conflict ALIENS much, but if you then watch ALIEN then it does-not Connect at all... well its Flawed.  But the IDEAS were Good, i think it was TOO ALIENY and Prometheus was TOO LESS say ALIENY.

We NEEDED to have a Balance with Prometheus

The Clues to the Xeno/LV-426 were soooo VAGUE and Ambiguous that MOST would NEVER make any Connection, only the SHIP and Chest Burst Scene at the END would be Familiar.

The Hammerpede and Trilobite you could make some Connection to a Face Hugger, you had the MURAL for a Moment that you could make some Connection with but there was NO Explanation.

I think the Biggest Problem comes from NOT having a Replacement for the Xenomorph.  The only DEATHS/KILLS that you could Loosely relate to the Xenomorph was via the Hammerpede (1) and the Deacon Chest Buster (1)

Fifield had KILLED the Majority of the Crew in a SINGLE ATTACK and he had Basically NO Connection to the Xenomorph......... HOWEVER if we had the Fifield from the Spaights Drafts then we would have seen a Connection.

With Alien Engineers we had 3 Different Xenomorph related Monsters who had made a Number of Attacks/Appearances.   I think that Prometheus had NEEDED just ONE Monster that we could DRAW a Connection more to the Xenomorph... YES we had the Deacon but this would be like say ALIEN Ended after Kanes Son had RAN off the Table.

With Alien Covenant we had the Neomorph which had more Screen Time and we could make some Connection to the Xenomorph with. I dont think that PROMETHEUS had needed a Xenomorph but it NEEDED something as a Replacement.

I think the Engineer Story was Interesting and could have been Explored in many ways, i know a LOT of People were Disappointed with the ARC/Revelations and would WANT to see Space Jockey Suited Engineers just TURN UP with their Bio-Weapons and KICK-ASS but i would have been more Interesting in their History, their Culture and Question if they have other Conflicts among themselves.

Looking back at the Movies and Comments by RS etc... then i am still DRAWN to the LV-223 Engineers being either.

1) A Genetically Engineered Sub-Creation of the Engineers.

or

2) A Group of Engineers who had Genetically Engineered themselves to be Superior.

And thus PRIOR to the Genetic Engineering/Evolution they would have looked MORE LIKE those we saw on Planet 4.

Interesting Comments about WHAT would determine GODLIKE.

Because if someone from our Present was to Travel back to the Time of Christ, with some of our Clothing and Technology then we would seem GODLIKE to some of the People.  They would NOT even comprehend our Technology, IMAGINE if you Traveled in a Time Traveling Car.... HOW would they React to that?

I think in Terms of Technology then YES who knows HOW more Advanced people from 1000 Years would be, its LIKELY they would have Technology we may NOT quite Understand but we are the GENERATION of Technology and Sci-Fi and so i DONT think we would be as AMAZED at seeing Technology thats 1000 Years ahead of us than say Humans from 200 Years ago would be Amazed with what we have NOW... I think because we have Speculated what the FUTURE could bring, seen it in Sci-Fi.

That does-not mean we would not be like WOW! or that we would Understand as to HOW the Technology Works/Was Created.... but we could be like COOL i always Wondered if ONE DAY we could do that.

I think if we are talking 10'000+  Years then YES we cant Imagine as to HOW we would be then and WHAT we can do/achieve.

As FAR as being able to Manipulate Atoms, Energy, Time, Space by Purely Thought then this is something we just CANT really be Certain of IF/WHEN we could do this.

But could you RULE-OUT that a Species who are Hundreds of Thousands of Years more Advanced than us being able to do this?  Who knows... IF they could then YES they would seem GODLIKE.

In Context to what i was referring to then i think YES we could be introduced to BEINGS who are SO ADVANCED they can do things that we would see as MAGICAL and GODLIKE...

Thing to remember is take STAR TREK for Example... IF this was REAL and the Enterprise went back 2000+ Years ago and BEAMED some Crew to the Earth and back and looking at the Technology, then People from 2000+ Years ago would see them as MIRACLES

Crew of 4 Beam Down (The Ancient Humans would see them Appear as Rays of Light from the Heavens)

The Crew Report back to the Enterprise and are TALKING to someone who is NOT there in Person, the Ancient People would be Amazed by this... they are talking to GOD?

The Crew go over to some Injured People and using their Medical Equipment can Repair Cuts, Broken Bones in a Instant... would that NOT seem the same as what CHRIST had done?

One Serious Injured Person is BEAMED to the SHIP and remains for 48 Hours before they have been MADE BETTER and then BEAMED BACK to the Surface, that would seem like they was Good as Dead then 2 Days latter they are Resurrected etc.

FINALLY they BEAM down a Replicator and are ABLE to MAKE any Food the People want APPEAR from NO-WHERE this would SURELY be as Impressive and Christs Feeding of Thousands.

So the Point being that a Civilization from Thousands of Years in the Future could have Technology that could be seen as MAGICAL.... and GODLIKE.

Revisiting this topic, makes me sad to think the Engineer side of the Alien storyline might not be continued in Disney's next installment...

Covenant took a leap after Prometheus. In my opinion. Prometheus set up a great journey for Naomi Rapace's character Dr Shaw and David. I felt Covenant should have dealt more with their relationship. Instead it turned into a creature feature that left money on the table. If, BIG if, the franchise continues in the prequel vein, then their relationship can still be salvaged by flashbacks that explain Shaw's sacrifice as a host to David's quest for a new form of life. 

Prometheus ranks as one of my favorite movies in the scifi genre. While elysian feels that "faith" was "shoe horned" into the film, I found it was a logical point of reference for a character, albeit the heroine, who is in search of humanity's origin. Without belaboring the point, there are plenty of characters whose "faith", is not anchored in Christianity. In my opionion, Prometheus' great potential lies in the stark contrast between David, the cyborg, and Naomi Repace's character Dr Shaw. David's superior artificial intelligence seems to patronize Dr Shaw's quaint religiosity. The reason one might find great potential in a movie that pits artifical intelligence against human faith, whatever the religion, lies in the push and pull at the heart of this conflict. Consequently I was disappointed when the sequel, Covenant, did not continue where Prometheus left off. Dr Shaw had rescued David to survive and continue her quest to meet the engineers, who, for lack of a better word, could only be viewed as gods. Despite knowing the origin of humanity had nothing to do with Shaw's biblical god, she soldiered on with her now perhaps obsolete value system. Imagine the conversations David might have had with a curious religious human whose animalistic survival instincts allowed for his continued immortality and his quest to leave a mark on this world, uh, these worlds....

I'd say the human race is "GOD LIKE" in the Alien verse.

FTL

Anti-gravity / Inertia dampening

Synthetic species replication. ( if they can do a human, they can do any animal ....Synthetic Jonesy? )

Trying to explain God in a few simple paragraphs is next to impossible. So here goes nothing! LOOOOL

I think in terms of evolution with respect to this concept. Compared to people 1000 years ago the average person today has "GOD LIKE" powers. We communicate at the speed of light, have modern transportation that moves billions of people, physics, modern math, chemistry, space travel, and modern architecture. 

In another 1000 years these technologies will have incrementally gotten more efficient.

As a species we will be manipulating vast amounts of energy, have smaller computers, and travel much faster.

Yet this still does not answer the what is "God like being" question.

If I had to guess, in the most simple terms, a God like being has the ability to think about things and simply will them into creation just with thought alone.

Of course this means that this God like being is simultaneously the progenitor of the mechanisms with which the fundamental stuff of elements get combined into matter. I would also suppose that these would be self regulating systems within systems so this God like being could maintain this evolutionary adaption with a greater symbiosis to quantum technologies.    

I totally agree …I loved Prometheus.  The story line has so many possibilities.   Now pls don’t laugh…but when I saw Prometheus I had no idea it was part of the alien franchise.  I know your saying “what” well even my husband couldn’t believe I didn’t know…soooo when I saw Prometheus I just saw a great story … I think I had a fresh view of the movie and the ending was fabulous…and that’s when I knew…lol…huge mistake Ridley not to continue….HUGE….also the music was beautiful 

Big fan even will watch the AVP franchise time and again, time loop. Time. Loop. Mr. Scott if you are reading this just go that route I mean David is a diabolical face dancer navigating the cosmos... You are a fan of Frank Herbert this was Erasmus in a way, going about in an invisible ship abducting/experimenting on whomever. 

David has an opportunity to somehow create new colonies whose to say he didn't fabricate an entire timeline? A little heavy and generally dull time traveling organic robots eerily similar to Terminator I know but think of the advantages of turning Davids story into a war between his tyrannical perspective on life and existence and the very real struggle of surviving on an alien world full of xenomorphic creatures once you accidentally stumble outside his quarantine zones. 

Could do a whole blade runner reference involving people being androids and are assuming mundane human lives as sort of a network for David to spy on his experiments. 

Just a ton of fun if you do it correctly, between creating colonies to operate in different eras in history by leaving people to start over with nothing, even leave groups of children to fend for themselves like a Children of the Flies meets Prometheus scenario. Hundreds of children stranded by a demented droid on a habitable but hostile planet with no means but their memories to stay alive. 

Good times Mr. Scott. Good times.

I always thought the only alien in the movie A L I E N was the space jockey. The Xenomorph is a humanoid type creature.......it looks like something produced in a bio lab by an evil scientist. ( I'm okay with David as the creator )

The juggernaut and the Space Jockey were the real hooks for me.

So yeah...I'd like to see them go really surreal.

I think when looking at GOD in the Franchise with the Engineers Plot we had it that these Guys had Created us, but THIS does-not mean that THEY had Created the Universe far from it....

Ridley Scott had mentioned in September 2015, he asked us "You’ve got to go back and find those engineers and see what they are thinking. If engineers are the forerunners of us, and therefore were creators of life forms in places that were possible for biology to function, who created that? Where’s the big boy? You think this was all an accident? I don’t know. Even Stephen Hawking now says, I am not sure. He no longer believes in the big bang"

So to me he was Basically saying the Engineers are Genetic Engineers and they do this to WORLDS but i get the Impression that Ridley Scott is asking so HOW/WHO had Created these Worlds, so that LIFE can then Exist on them.

He seemed to be Teasing that it was NOT the Engineers.

I think you should be CAREFUL as to HOW FAR you go into that, as FAR as say WHO Created the Planets the Galaxy etc...  But i think Certainly you could have a ANCIENT RACE that are able to Move Worlds to ideal Locations and begin some kind of ADVANCED Terra-forming.

I think while maybe you NEVER touch on WHO had Created the Galaxies etc, i think you could INTRODUCE another RACE who are more Ancient than the Engineers who maybe Created or Engineered them?  A Race who are FAR from Human looking maybe?  There is a LOT of Surreal and Crazy looking things in HR Gigers Works that you could have Combined with some HP Lovecraft works to come up with something REALLY ALIEN.

Thanks ;)

Firstly i had been interesting in ALIEN but i had got to a Point where i thought as to WHERE do you go Next?  I had some ideas for a ALIEN V which is a Sequel to ALIEN Resurrection, which i would have taken it AWAY from the Xenomorph to a Degree.  I had always thought about the SPACE JOCKEY to me it seemed a Bio-Mechanical Being more like a Xenomorph than a Skeleton.... UNTIL the AGE of the Internet in Nearly every Home and when i could SEE/STUDY the Works of HR Giger in more Detail and so in 2001 i had began looking at the SPACE JOCKEY and HR Gigers Concepts and i was thinking so the Space Jockey seem to be these Bald Humanoids but where do THEY come from?  And i saw them as being USED by some Organism that is Related to the Xenomorph.  But i decided to NOT try and come up with a Story as i had a Few Ideas but i felt maybe it was BEST KEPT as a Mystery. But i Certainly saw that you had to have some NEW Species that are Enslaving the Space Jockey Guys.

so WHEN we got to Prometheus and the Engineers it NEVER SURPRISED me at all as Basically this is what HR Giger had depicted back in 1978.  And so the PLOT and POTENTIAL that it could OPEN UP and EXPAND the Franchise is what REALLY INTRIGUED ME.

I think it could be TIME to LET GO...... its UNLIKELY we would ever see anything like what Ridley Scott had attempted, especially under DISNEY.

I am more of a Ideas Man than anything i can come up with a Movie be it Sci-Fi or Fantasy or Horror and give a 10 Page Detailed Synopsis then Pick Out say 5-10 Scenes that i Flesh Out.... but i begin on a Idea and then Move to another, i also have a Brain Defect which affects my Memory so i can have Ideas, but they can just Disappear like Dreams can, unless i WRITE them down and i have LOST works before.

I had worked on a Thing II idea 20 years ago, i have also had few other Sci-Fi ideas like i did work on what i was calling Transubstant it was basically a NOT that Original though, it was about a Asteroid that Crashed to Earth with a like Pathogen/Virus that would INFECT Organisms and Mutate them it was like a Zombie Flick but they would Change into something that was Insectoid but then i also Toyed with a Reptilian of Sorts. This was back in 2002/2003 but the Alternative to it was that a Ship discovers a Derelict/Floating Human Ship that had been lost for 25 Years where the Virus would be Discovered.  The Mutation would NOT be Completely Insect like it would just have some Aesthetic to it.

If anyone or Group on here wanted to Brain Storm some ideas i could be of some HELP ;)

@BigDave, perhaps it is time to branch out on your own. Your concepts seem rooted in good sci-fi and maybe it is time to write your own stories completely outside of the Alien universe all together.

I can only imagine what books you might write if only you would expand your universe. You can do anything in Sci-fi with the right narrative. 

Dare I even say it - I think we do ourselves somewhat of a disservice by not pooling our creative talent in ways that deliver more real and tangible things.

I have spent some 40 years with Alien and moved into new territory myself wanting to write my own screen play for a sci-fi comedy movie....with real hard sci-fi baked in.

We are getting older some of us so if we do not do these things now they will never be. I have no doubt that you are a great screen writer; however, I just wonder why you ponder the Alien topic so much....you have already posted several books worth of posts here on the various topics...I did the estimation on the word count. You could have published a few novels by now to be sure.

I am concerned that talent such as yours should go so unrewarded here. Dave it was just like yesterday and over half a decade passed in the blink of an eye...the time is gone and vanished forever - time must never be wasted no matter what.

I am not sure what really interests you beyond Alien and yet I know there must be some other great ideas you have. 

RS has been putting this window dressing around AI for almost half a century now...he has had a great deal of commercial success obviously because the right doors opened up for him early enough. I do not think you are a film producer because of the money and formal knowledge required for directing.

However, you know enough about these films to write a completely new screen play, about something completely different, and shop it around fast for real money.

Too bad we could not all collaborate on the right kind of movie.  We cannot lose with so many hundreds of billions now focused completely on digital streaming. It is almost as if the Universe is begging us to churn out a few dozen of the right screen plays and make it happen $$,$$$,$$$.

"because if your treatment of that particular investment in the film flops you really have screwed up the film for the audience"

This is kind of what i was meaning by its a RISK... get it RIGHT and it could be Spectacular, get it WRONG and well..... it could make the Franchise more of a Joke.

We have seen Star Trek do the GOD thing a Few Times ;)

I respectfully think some things maybe should remain a MYSTERY so we can Ponder the Unknown.... i think you raise a Great Point with Interstellar and the Singularity Event, i like Good Thought Provoking Sci-Fi with Twists such as Event Horizon too.

So i think that YES you can have things that SHOW US these are surely the Works/Technology of Ancient Beings that you can NEVER FATHOM to who they are, but KEEP their Appearance and Identity a Mystery.

But then YES i think if you give a Out of the Box take on it then IF its done right i think that would be Great.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

This i used in a Prologue for Alien Covenant 2 story i was working on, we see this come on a Black Screen in GREEN WRITING like the Alien Special Order 937. This was Narrated by David and then we see the Screen Go Black/Reboot then we see LIGHT like the POV of you Opening your Eyes and we then see Davids Face, then a Mirror behind him and we see our POV is another David.  There is more Dialog between them and the SCENE was to show that David had UPLOADED his A.I into a Walter Body he Built from Parts... the Prologue Ends after a Embrace and then David MK2 breaks the Neck of David and then pulls his Head Off.  This is to SHOW that the New Body has Davids Soul and this David knows that David cant be Trusted and could Potentially Stab the New David in the Back and so HE STRIKES FIRST...  Then the New David says "Am I my brother's keeper?

As you then FADE to Space and then the OPENING TITLE

But what my point is with "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" you could SHOW this in a Similar way and Revelation.... that the Universe is Actually just a A.I Created Reality and Program..... created by a UNSEEN Creator.

But as i said i would be OPEN to seeing some kind of Non-corporeal Entities who could Masquerade as Gods... but we Ultimately Discover they are NOT.

@BigDave,

I most respectfully disagree with what you have stated....completely,

"I think in regards to GOD then within Sci-Fi you are FREE to BEND the Rules of Reality or even BREAK them.... but i think sometimes you have to be Careful you DONT go and Cross too FAR into the Fantasy Aspect."

In good story telling we have the concept of "suspension of disbelief." Anything done correctly would be interesting, powerful, and would have to be transcendental to the majority of the audience. That being stated we must conclude thusly that to not include a "fantasy aspect," may hinder what you are really trying to convey ultimately through the suspension of disbelief when trying to portray God or a God like being - Entity.

I put those pictures in my post about what you all had posted in this post so it would convey something not quite explainable through words. So using art to talk about advanced machines can be a way to express things that have not exactly been invented. To squander the chance at understanding that complexity is perhaps like looking right at a master painting and deciding you are better off with out all art entirely.

I believe I am understanding you correctly in that you think it would have been difficult to convey a related God like being to the audience. Exactly what would that look like? That is a very important question to be sure because if your treatment of that particular investment in the film flops you really have screwed up the film for the audience.

I suppose if I were doing the movie I would start with God like beings that have incomprehensible powerful machines.....and not dirt floors like in Prometheus and covenant. The entire premise was laughable at best.

We don't want a lot of white fluffy clouds either, that will just not do.

In the movie Interstellar Christopher Nolan sets up 75% of the film before God-like alien beings are revealed...and yet you never see any the either and only a crude aspect of their technology.

Anything can be done in show business you just have to know what to do and how to do it. Christopher Nolan takes movie goers to a place they have never been before. So I believe it would be no different with God-like Engineers.

The picture I posted of the CUBE is a 5th dimensional hyper cube. You cannot really touch a 5th dimensional hyper CUBE with your three dimensional figures; but, at least you can see a decent representation of one that is somewhat accurate through art. Hope you enjoy.

Never say never my friend...there were no computers working at the speed of light a hundred years ago and yet they are everywhere today....literally all over the entire planet in the palms of billions of people....and so we should not take anything for granted that has been posted.

I think its RIGHT that just when we think we know THIS and THAT we make Discoveries that Change our Perspective on things... The more we LEARN the more we LEARN we know LITTLE.

I think the BIG THING about ALIEN was the UNKNOWN... the more we Find Out then the Less Fascinating, Enigmatic or Horrific something can become.

So there is SCOPE and in Terms of Sci-Fi that the Universe can be a VERY DARK and UNFORGIVING Place.

I think in regards to GOD then within Sci-Fi you are FREE to BEND the Rules of Reality or even BREAK them.... but i think sometimes you have to be Careful you DONT go and Cross too FAR into the Fantasy Aspect.

So lets say that we go back to Dr Shaw and she Awakens in some Mysterious Place shrouded in Clouds and then a Magical Ghost like being Welcomes her to Paradise and so it SHOWS that her FAITH is Correct!

I think that would be a BIT LAME... but you could make a Twist on it by THINKING OUTSIDE the Box.

That does-not mean i would be against seeing any Non-corporeal Entities i just am NOT sure exploring a After-Life as in Heaven for Humans would be a Great Idea 

I much prefer to see some Non-corporeal Being who is MALEVOLENT and NOT what you Expect from a GOD. Or some Very Alien looking Monstrosity with Godlike Powers.

The only After-Life that a Human would have i feel should be Explored by FINALLY being able to Transfer our Brain/Soul to a A.I but then to show the Hubris and Repercussions for doing so.

"vulgarity filter appears to have slipped in three asterisks into an entirely innocuous word"

Not to WORRY my Dialect has a Number of Words that are innocuous that would seem Vulgar and Strange to other ENGLISH people ;) a lot of People in other Parts of England have Difficulty understanding Folk from where i am, as we SPAKE (as its said here) in a Dialect thats more closer to OLD ENGLISH.

A Example.... "Wud Yow lika Suck.. C**k our kid, dayam Bostin"

Means in English .... "Would you like some Sweets Boy/Girl they are Very Nice."

But its NOT that Spoken as much Nowadays well we mix more English in but its always Funny when people NOT from round my Parts see a Old Woman going to someone and saying about their Grandchild  ........."Yow c**ks Big-un ay thay" which means "your Child/Grandchild is big aren't they"

Server Crash Double Post so i will EDIT into something else.

Other Aspects of Immortality do come from being Immortalized and so if you are Famous, a Great Leader a King etc then through History you LIVE ON by your Fame.

We Live On through our Children we Pass on our Likeness but also Stories about our History and Memories, Once that Chain is Broken so if you have No Children then there is NO-ONE to Pass on about WHO you was etc.

With Famous People they Live on in Memory from Monuments, Statues, Paintings and their Re-told History.  You Live on in WHAT you Create be that ART and so Picasso and Da Vinchi are Immortalized with their Art.  The same goes for other kind of ART like Music and so Mozart and Elvis are Immortalized

Rulers also including those who were EVIL like Hitler his Name will Never be Forgotten.  Or Famous Kings and Pharisees.

You can be Well Known and Immortalized for your Achievements like say Einstein and Eddison

These FIT within the AC Prologue for those who Paid Attention.  The Room contained Works of Art, Creations by People who are Immortalized forever because of their Creations.

Weyland would Live On in his Inventions which Include David his Prized Creation, Peter seemed to be more Proud of him being like his Son than his Daughter Vickers.

The Engineers likely Erect those Statues and have their Murals to SHOWCASE who they are and to Immortalize themselves. Like a Egyptian Pharaoh would.

The Ozymandias Poem is Relevant as it goes on to say that Great Civilizations come and go and their Monuments to their Kings will eventually FALL and Degrade Over Time and become LOST to the Sand.

The Great Sphinx will in 10'000 Years look NOTHING like it does NOW and it looks Nothing like it did when it was Created.  IF we had NOT Advanced past what we was Thousands of Years ago (so No Metal Age, Technology) then in 100'000, 500'000 there would appear as though NOTHING would remain of Mankinds Civilizations.

Eventually all the Passed On Knowledge, the Buildings, the Monuments, the Books will EVENTUALLY be No-More.

For NOTHING is ETERNAL not even the Galaxy.

When i go back to the Engineers, their Fascination with Statues and Sacrifice then this is WHY i always look at the Courtyard in Alien Covenant as a Ritual Place where some Engineers are Chosen as a Great Honor to Donate their Body/Soul to Create Life and become Immortalized and then have a Statue Erected in their Honor to Further attempt to Immortalize the Chosen.

But this is as Close to any kind of Immortality they come and as the Ozymandias Poem goes...

"Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away."

Absolutely i think the Franchise as far as Prometheus could have SPAN OFF onto its OWN kind of Sci-Fi Spin Off that does-not have to even have many MONSTERS and Certainly did-not have to Connect to ALIEN.  I think there was a LOT going on with the Prometheus than for us to go "so how does this connect to Xenomorphs"

Having Covered a Few Aspects of Immortality we was left with.

1) Dr Shaw with her Faith but Discovering what could be our Creators who Turn Out to be Nothing like what her Faith Teaches and the likelihood that there is NO HEAVEN or After-Life that awaits us. No Natural Immortality.

2) Our Creators the Engineers who may have Genetically been able to SLOW-DOWN the Genetic Aging of the Body, and Immunity to most Diseases and ailments but they are STILL just Mortal after all, and likely NEVER achieved any Eternal Life too.

Then you have the other Interesting Elements to throw into that.

3) David a Synthetic Humanoid, who has Very Human Emotions, Desires and Ambitions and a Will of his Own, Superior in Every Way.  Who as a A.I could have his A.I SOUL stored and Transferred to a New Body and so in EFFECT he has a After-Life/Immortality.

4) Maybe the Origin of the Xeno-DNA the Alpha Organism (Starbeast if you would) could be a Organism that is able to Reincarnate itself via a Egg Morph and then Resurrect itself in a New Host and lets say these Ancient Organisms Pass on the Memories onto the Egg Morph then this Species also have some kind of After-Life/Reincarnation and so are kind of Immortal.

What you have here Plot-wise is the Engineers who Created Mankind but are really just as Mortal as us and have Failed to Attain Immortality despite trying to Harness/Extract what made say the STARBEAST be able to Reincarnate themselves.  You then have David who is a Creation of Mankind who is kind of IMMORTAL and as he goes on to Experiment with the DNA of the Starbeasts he goes onto Create the Xenomorph that combines say Synthetic with the Starbeasts Traits then IF they took this Path then you have the Xenomorph being able to Retain its Memories from Host to Host should they Explore the Egg Morph Route.

Before we got to Camerons Bugs.... it seemed RS had different ideas to EVOLVE the Xenomorph beyond just a Mindless Killing Machine, and looking at the Last Comments he made on it, it seems he wishes to Evolve how we see the Xenomorph and how it Procreates.   I think we can just THROW OUT the Xenomorph as far as leave it to be, and LOOK at what Predated it.

Bring in the STARBEAST and then TIE that in with the Engineers Ancient Past.

The TWO Interesting ways to do that are.

a) The Engineers attempts to Transcend themselves to Beyond Physical Pane of Existence would OPEN UP a Gateway that lets the STARBEAST in.  They witness more about its Life-Cycle in that it can Re-incarnate itself... and the Engineers had a Quest to try and Exploit this....

b) The Starbeast are a Ancient Species who Re-incarnate themselves via Egg Morph and then a Host and at some POINT they began to USE the Engineers Ancestors to Sacrifice themselves and Worship the Starbeasts as Gods.  Until something Happened and the Starbeast Numbers Dwindled and then the Engineers had Rebelled and Overthrown the Starbeast and then STOLE their Technology.

But thats going a bit OFF TOPIC but what i mean is that YES you could TIE IN the Themes of Prometheus and what is Immortality into something thats more Thought Provoking with a bit of a HR Giger/HP Lovecraft touch of Magic.

Hilarious! A vulgarity filter appears to have slipped in three asterisks into an entirely innocuous word!

“We are all still stumbling around in the dark looking for the light.”

Absolutely. And it’s fun to imagine the ways in which reality can be illuminated. That’s the staple of science fiction or, as some would call it, speculative fiction.

The universe is a weird place that holds many mysteries, in particular at the extremes of particle and cosmological physics. It may be that the quark field is as deep as you can go, or the speed of light is the ultimate speed limit, but in SF it’s fun to imagine that the reality could be different. If so, ancient technological races would surely have that mastered and come up with creations that to us look simply like magic. I’ve said many times in the past that dwelling on these matters is far more interesting than having a monster leaping out from the shadows.

Sadly, I have to agree with BigDave’s assessment that the magnificent vista of cosmic possibilities likely won’t be explored by Disney. Most people like to munch their popcorn and really don’t like to be confused. Ergo, exploring a backdrop that’s millions of light years distant from our tedious humdrum human existence would not be a money spinner.

While I’m here I can’t resist pondering the nature of quantum physics, since you bring it up, which is possibly the weirdest thing imaginable…

Consider the classic double-slit experiment: you fire particles, say a stream of electrons, through two vertical slits in a screen. On the other side of the barrier there is indisputable evidence that the particles ‘interfere’ with each other; they produce alternating bands of light on a detector. OK, that doesn’t sound so strange at first; so what, the particles interfere. But turn the transmission rate right down so that only one particle at a time is fired at the screen. You still end up with bands of interference on the detector behind the screen. The particle has in a sense gone through both slits simultaneously. Cover up one slit and the interference bands disappear. So, these tiny little electrons are mysterious beasts that have an extended reality that spreads across space. Weird stuff.

But it gets weirder. Theory of the moment – quantum field theory – implies that all electrons in existence are in fact ‘disturbances’ in a vast ‘electron field’ that permeates the entire universe. Everywhere is an electron. But some places are more electron than others.

Nobody really knows what’s going on, and scientists are just as confused as anyone else. It amuses me whenever I see documentaries of scientists scribbling abstruse equations on a whiteboard. The makers do this to bamboozle the viewers, and paint the theorists in an authoritative exemplary light. But I know enough of this stuff to know that there isn’t a single scientist in the world who really knows what’s going on. Not their fault, of course; the universe is a weird place, as I say, and it is not obliged to make itself understandable.

I just wish Hollywood would bamboozle me a bit more often. And exploring the Engineer backdrop would be a great way of doing that.

".... NOT to Create a Weapon,"

Yeah, that works. Using the xeno as a weapon is just plain nutty. Military has better far better tools. But if the Engineers were experimenting on immortality? This is the direction I'd choose.

 " Unleashed some Horror from the other Dimensions "

This is probably my most desired storyline. Event Horizon meets the Alien verse!

"If they made a sentient computer and transferred his consciousness to the hardware would he still own the company?"

I think they would. Knowing they could always unplug or hack the sentient 'computer'.