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Ha Ha HOX!

Thanks for the Bump though ;)

Seems some of the PLOT to this Novel could be taking some Elements from the ALIEN V: RED HARVEST Project?

@BigDave, hats off to you sir! and cheers! Always the consummate professional.

I enjoyed this post very much, especially this last part here..."

"Then YES what we had in ALIEN and especially when you Listen to HR Gigers Ideas was something VERY ALIEN, very Surreal/Lovecraftian.

A Derelict thats Grown, and Actually would Produce the Eggs that some Humanoids (Space Jockey) would Sacrifice themselves to Procreate them. With the Ship having a Genetic (if you would) well a Connection to the Xenomorph DNA (well Traits).  in HR Gigers idea/mind the QUEEN was the SHIP"

This resonates so deeply, so profoundly...what an incredible choice of words. Yes yes and yes the ship is the progenitor of these "eggs" and so this my good sir! THIS IS THE STUFF OF GODS.

If only you were writing these movies a long time ago before those other useless writers got there.

^^ Sorry, wrong thread. 

@BlackAnt, correction: Ash says "polarised silicon", not "polarised silicone". I know it says silicone in the subtitles, but I'm English, I hear what he says, and he says "silicon". If he'd said silicone, it would have rhymed with cone, not cun.

I'm currently writing an Alien versus Predator reboot fanfiction, I want to include some of these rejected concepts for my Engineers

https://www.scified.com/topic/50490

But to Continue.... and going OFF TOPIC.

Then YES what we had in ALIEN and especially when you Listen to HR Gigers Ideas was something VERY ALIEN, very Surreal/Lovecraftian.

A Derelict thats Grown, and Actually would Produce the Eggs that some Humanoids (Space Jockey) would Sacrifice themselves to Procreate them. With the Ship having a Genetic (if you would) well a Connection to the Xenomorph DNA (well Traits).  in HR Gigers idea/mind the QUEEN was the SHIP

"It's replacing his cell's with polarized silicone...and feeding him oxygen. If we take it off it could kill him."

Certainly Black Ant ;)

The First Time we saw the Xenomorph in ADULT FORM it looked more Mechanical/Synthetic than anything Organic, inc its Metallic Teeth.  And so YES it looked more like some kind of Robot than a Organic Creature.

I think that LIKE IT.... or NOT.... when we look at Davids Xenomorphs that have some Evolving to do, then you could WONDER as to IF/WHEN will a Synthetic Element be Added to the Process?

If  the Revelations would Conclude that a SYNTHETIC is what would be that FINAL JIGSAW PIECE.... and the Beasts Origins are Davids Creation... then i GUESS this would UPLIFT the Fascination that ASH had with the Xenomorph.

But i AGREE... that IF we get that Conclusion and even WHAT we have learned so FAR then YES i am sure its NOT what most of us would have Envisioned or even Wanted to see.

When we look back at ALIEN and Consider the Art of HR Giger then you have that Surreal Merger of Organic and None-Organic where you CANT make out where the Organic Begins or Ends and Vice Versa...

TRULY UNIQUE AESTHETIC.

A Shoe-Horned way to that Aesthetic could be some MESSING about with the Black Goo would TRIGGER a Mutation where the Pathogen can then INFECT None-Organic Material and Imprint Xenomorph DNA into it...

YES this is Scientifically Stupid to a Degree.... but this is SCI-FI and it would explain the Aesthetic Difference between the Derelict/Juggernaught and the Xenomorph from AC to ALIEN............... such a Mutation/Change would be Trouble for David and make him be able to be INFECTED too....(i would NOT have Ruled Out that the Space Jockey would be David).

@MonsterZero

It seems the Original Ideas were that David would SNEAK on the Ship some TINY EGGS and Alternatively a Xenomorph Embryo.  I think if you look at it from the COMPANY Perspective and you Wanted a Xenomorph the BEST way would be to have some Container/Tank and Safely (attempt to) place a Face Hugger in it... this is Essentially what the Predators did in AVPR.

And so if you look at it like that then the Egg would have made it more Convoluted (they was going to be placed in the Green House/Flora Nursery), a Xenomorph Embryo would been Easier but i can GUESS that keeping a Face Hugger instead does ALLOW for that Extra HORROR Moment when the Face Hugger attacks. (but we have seen this OVER and OVER).

I think you are Correct we maybe ONLY needed the ONE of them.... do we Conclude that the TWO are for Daniels and Tennessee?   (Ridley Scott said the NEXT Movie would NOT be about Xenomorphs so i am NOT sure it would have been a Easy Case of we see D+T become a Pair of Xenomorphs.

How we get from TWO of those Face Huggers to Thousands of Xenomorphs is something we have YET to find out, we know that Ridley Scott had indicated the Xenomorph is NOT QUITE there yet.... it has some more Evolving before we get to what we see in ALIEN.

We also could NOT rule out that David has some Perverted Mind and Intention to Create a Female Companion and THIS is what he means by a Queen?  Could we have Eventually seen him TURN say Daniels into something like HR Giger's Lith

It seems the Dr Shaw from Alien Covenant has some Easter Egg Nod to the HR Giger Works, and the Marvel ALIEN Comic series seems to have taken some Inspiration from Similar HR Giger Works.

Would we have seen this or similar?  Who Knows... the Main part of the Synopsis seemed to be that David wants to Continue to Create but it will NOT be about Xenomorphs, but what we do KNOW is that by the Time we had Concluded (another 2-3 Movies) then we would have seen HOW we get from Davids Xenomorph to the THOUSANDS of Eggs on the Derelict.

I  think the PLOT has some Potential as in the ALIEN Franchise (Theatrically) the Company has TRIED to Obtain a Specimen and they was ONLY successful in ALIEN Resurrection but NO Soon as they had Managed to Obtain some Eggs from the Queen and managed to get from them the ADULT XENOMORPHS then things went to POT.

You would Question to WHAT would they do with those Xenomorphs had they Managed to Contain them?  Surely they would LOOK beyond just using Eggs, Face Huggers as a Bio-Weapon?

So Genetic Study, Experiments would seem Logical and IF these Organisms have a HIVE MIND/TELEPATHY then i Guess you could look at ways to TAP INTO that and CONTROL THEM?

But you would NOT need to have Ripley etc back!

As FAR as the Queen Suit... this is even WORSE a IDEA than the PRED-KILLER SUIT from The Predator!

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All very interesting comments to be sure, "A superior species no doubt." I think you may have had it correct the first time BigDave....

"Maybe his QUEEN could be a Female Synthetic Construct who may arrive in another Human Ship at some point?  His Xenomorph does lack the more Bio-Mechanical HR Giger Atheistic and RS said the Xenomorph has some EVOLVING to do before we get to ALIEN

IF some Androids who will appear are PART Organic/Synthetic then i do SUSPECT that they will become the FINAL PART of HOW we get to our Xenomorphs in ALIEN etc."

In the first Alien if you all remember correctly Ash was analyzing Cain's cells before removing the facehugger?

Dallas asked Ash, "What's it doing to him?" Ash replied, "It's replacing his cell's with polarized silicone...and feeding him oxygen. If we take it off it could kill him."

Let us all consider the fork in the road here. Maybe David creates the Xeno. Maybe David does not create the Xeno.

Any way you look at it the facehugger on LV426 was taking an inorganic element "silicon" then binding the silicon to O, C, and H to make silicone. So we must speculate now that the Xeno, facehuggers are all more android-computer hybrids than bio-synthetic. These things can easily withstand the vacuum of space etc.

Looking at the Xeno vision from the last movie was maybe a clue as well that these creatures are hybrid computers. The fact that they have a bio-molecular scaffolding to ingest organics is interesting for the movies; but, in reality is more convoluted unnecessary non-sense. These large Chaps could just as easily get to work making black goo nano robots that wipe out an entire planet and then they all sit back and smoke cigars! LOOOOOOL

Anyway at this point there is too fine a line to draw unnecessary distinctions in what is bio-mechanical, what is more robot, android, nano fabrication....

It has been more than 40 years since I was first introduced to this kind of science and I really want to move on with more interesting concepts than intermediaries in the dark with sharp metal teeth.

We could spend months or years debating such things and yet I find there is so much more we could be studying.

BigDave this in no way is being negative about your post. I think you very clever when it comes to hypotheticals. I waited so many years for a real look at what should have been a more fully developed out premise in Prometheus, only to be let down and have this android David steal the show and everything else evidently - along with the ships kitchen sink.

We were supposed to get these 15 foot tall Engineer GODS! and we were handed David's lesser ambitions. For what I do not know. David is the Antithesis of everything we were supposed to see in Prometheus...Stealing fire from the God's is an old tale in itself. We never saw any God's in Prometheus the way that movie was made. Those Engineers did not look even close to entering God like hyper-dimensional existence. 

The Engineers should have been gatekeepers of some kind and the real God's revealed. RS could of at least done that for all of us yet instead he palmed us fools gold in the form of David taking us all on an even longer fools errand.

If RS every shows his face again in this franchise he better deliver something more substantial and real this time. No I do not even think there will be a next time - Disney put everything in the vault. Good for Disney, at least the larger mistakes made in these movies will not make it to the big screen again...you can just watch in private if you wish. Then again to do anything real with this pile of convoluted mess is near impossible. David's queen? or something transcendental, something never scene before in movie history?

You all know what they say....Go big or go home but do not come just half way with it.

Maybe she's playing a surrogate mother for some of the brood? But why? 

Why show two facehuggers being recovered? Very odd. You would think showing the audience one would do the trick? "Oooh! he has a facehugger!! Cool! Maybe one apiece for Tennessee and Daniels? ( If they wanted to suggest that, they should of had David look in their direction. "One for you Mr. T  'glance' and one for you 'evil glance' miss Daniels..." )

Bonkers. Ripley dressing up in a powered metal exoskeleton (Aliens) is fine. But a human does not have the muscle power of a Xenomorph, so it's just silly to dress up as one. The whole idea of a Xenomorph is that it is a fearsome powerful predator that can punch its way through metal and run into machine-gun fire without a care in the world. A human dressed up as a Xenomorph is just plain daft, and robs the beast of its might.

We dodged a bullet there, I think.

Well we can ONLY go and Speculate as to WHAT was meant by David wishing to Perfect his Queen, from AC it seems he had Conducted a LOT of Experiments but that Dr Shaws Reproductive System/Egg Cells are HOW that David got to his EGGS that he showed to ORAM.  I suspect that David wanted a Queen as in Context to a MORE EFFICIENT WAY to Produce more Eggs.

How is he going to Achieve this with those TWO FACE HUGGERS is anyone's Guess and NEVER-MIND to Engineer Hybrids, i think the BLACK GOO is something he would MAYBE need to achieve any of that.

The Least Convoluted way would be that IF we saw ONE of the Face Huggers either Evolves or gets Engineered to Produce a Queen Chest Buster.

Without any Sequel or Comments about it then we MAY NEVER KNOW what would become of those TWO FACE HUGGERS and IF we can see David go and PERFECT his Queen however or whatever that may have been.

Indeed Chris we can assume that Ripley has managed to GET INTO a Xenomorph Queen Suit!! i know *FACEPALM

Other Concept we saw prior had showed us a Ripley in like a Space Jockey/Xenomorph Hybrid Suit.

Regarding RED HARVEST its HARD to say as to HOW MANY versions of ALIEN V there was.

Red Harvest gave us some RED like Xenomorph related Monsters, it also showed VARIOUS Experiments on Xenomorph Related Organisms who are FUSED with Human Tech and we even see a Xenomorph Related Organism thats Connected to the PILOT CHAIR of a Engineer Ship.

So it seems the PLOT was about a Human Company who OBTAINED the Derelict (or other Engineer Ship) they OBTAIN a QUEEN and likely Eggs from her to then Begin Various Experiments on the Xenomorph and TRYING to Obtain Traits from them for Bio-Weapons Advancements but also TRYING to find a way to CONTROL them.

We can see THAT does NOT go to Plan.

I think the PLOT has some Interesting ideas but also some SILLY ONES and so its VERY like Comic Book and i also DONT think you have to BRING BACK THE GANG to make another Movie and so it would have been a PASS from me.

I Applaud the Effort by the Concept Artist though.

Its Difficult to draw any Conclusions really, its interesting to see some more Discovered Concepts.

What we know about ALIEN V is that it was to be set 20 Years or so after ALIENS and would essentially be that ALIEN 3 and ALIEN R had NEVER Happened.

It looks like another Asian Company has recovered the Derelict in some Facility/Outpost. It seemed that this Company had attempted to Engineer the Xenomorphs but they also had a ALIENS QUEEN.

Ripley and Hicks would return and Witness the Experiments and some Horrors as a Xenomorph Outbreak had Occurred and Ripley and Hicks are going to TRY and PUT a STOP to it all.

These NEW Concepts seem to indicate that the Outpost does suffer a OUTBREAK as we see Xenomorph Resign all over the Place and what is either a LAKE or a FLOOD.

We have a New Android but is this GUY one of the Good Guys?  He seems to ATTACK either a Military Personnel to the Company who has OBTAINED the Xenomorph on one of the other MERC TEAMS

This MERC TEAM actual Alliance and Agenda is HARD to work out from this Concept Art.

The Idea also seemed to indicate we would see a Adult Newt at some point.

That'd be cool because it'd be similar to insect colonies and how they have wars

like this one time i saw a little garden ant fight this HUGE red ant

wanna know who won?

I don't know.... I'm getting a very AVP vibe with this concept art.

AVA ( Aliens Versus Aliens ) a new series ?

Dressing up as a Xeno Queen just seems so bizarre? 

Words fail me.....

The working title for Alien 5 being Red Harvest makes more sense now... Red Harvest likely a callback to the Aliens Genocide comic... the RED Xenomorphs were a competing breed. RED = Enemy Xenomorphs. Harvest = Weyland-Yutani bred Alien Hive. That's my guess.

If this is the art they showed Fox/Disney? Then I can see why the passed on it.

Doesn't inspire much.

Still want to know more about Alien 5....but....A basic plot outline or a summary would be better than any art.

I'd like to think the Xenomorph is a bioweapon created in a lab by the Engineers ( or David / humanity or another race) so I like this direction.

Daniels ( or someone still in hibernation ) as the progenitor is okay in my book,  David has a 1000 women to choose from...So I could see Daniels being spared and I don't see an actress wanting to do the makeup or become a monster.

I'd think a Royal Facehugger would need another lab to develop? Maybe the Covenant has the tools?

I think that in the FUTURE that ONCE we START to Settle on Mars then YES having a way to Convert CO2 into Oxygen would be Great, but as Hox had said if they can TAP INTO any ICE then you can also gain Water, Oxygen, but also Energy/Fuel.

Once we BUILD say LARGE Bio-Spheres then within these you could PLANT a LOT of Flora and these will turn to CO2 we Exhale into Oxygen but for years before this STARTS to take HOLD you Generate Oxygen inside the  Bio-Sphere from other Resources and PIPE any CO2 towards the Flora and ONCE you have the Vegetation Etc growing to a LARGE degree then the Photosynthesis etc would give us Continued Circle of Oxygen like we have on Earth.

To take this to the WHOLE PLANET i think would be FAR AWAY due to the % of CO2 and thus the Amount of Water thats Needed for MASSIVE amounts of Flora to Convert that 96% C02 to levels that are NOT Harmful to Breath.

But this Project Certainly is Exciting News

"That’s plenty of time for them to swamp the entire Galaxy"

Absolutely and we also have to take NOTE that their Star Maps/Navigation have other Galaxies and so they are NOT just restricted to our own Galaxy.

"Wormhole to another part of the galaxy"

I think that we DONT know the SPEED of the Engineer Ships and Technology but then THIS does indeed LIMIT to HOW we can get Humans to REMOTE places.  And so to EXPLORE some FAR AWAY places we either have to have it the SHIPS are Traveling for a LONG TIME, or we go into the Future where the Technology is even more ADVANCED than the Sulaco and Patna.

Or the Humans would HIJACK and USE the Engineers Ships or Reverse Engineer their Technology!

But the more SIMPLE WAY is to INDEED have GATEWAYS that the Engineers USE to Tunnel from Point to Point these are Essentially a WORMHOLE.

And so they could be Located like the RED STARS in the above Image and Each Gate can Lead to another or ALL of the others, and so IF the Engineers have a Certain Frequency they USE to Activate a GATE then IF the Humans can Determine and Replicate this Frequency then they could USE the STAR GATES as it were.

"How the Queen gets to LV-426 is something else"

Well it seems we WAS on a PATH to ALIEN and so YES at some point there would be a WAY that we would get THOUSANDS of EGGS that would END UP on a Engineer Ship.

Looking at the SET-UP then it would seem that the Engineer Ship in Question would either be.

1) A Ship that arrives to Planet 4, then arrives to Origae-6 and has some EGGS from Origae-6 that it then goes to take to LV-223 but ONLY gets as FAR as LV-223.

2) Or like above the Engineers take some Eggs to LV-223 where they MASS PRODUCE them and then LOAD them onto a Ship/Ships and the Derelict becomes ONE of those Ships that leaves LV-223 but ONLY gets as FAR as LV-426

I just dont see that it would Conclude with a Cameron's Queen but we likely will NEVER know, UNLESS someone asks Ridley Scott and he goes onto Explain as to HOW those Eggs come to be and END UP on the Derelict.

I think that YES we had seen the HYBRID Plot before with Ripley 8 she looked Human and only Benefited from Superior Speed and Strength as well as a Telepathic Link of sorts and ACID Blood.  The Queen looked like a Xeno-Queen its just that it gave BIRTH to the New Born which was a TRUE HYBRID as far as Aesthetically but i GUESS that the Xenomorph and Neomorph are also a HYBRID as they take some Traits from the HOST they Gestate inside.

Looking at some of the things in regards to Dr Shaw then David had said he wanted to EVOLVE her, and looking at a Number of his Drawings its seems he maybe ASPIRED to such.

And so i think we CANT rule out that we may see this HAPPEN to a Female had the Sequel got the GREEN LIGHT, we could see him using MERELY the Egg Cells too, its DIFFICULT to say.

I just DONT see that they would have David create a Royal Face Huger for instance and then we see a Queen Chest Burster that is SIMILAR to what we have in ALIENS, but as we have NOT and its UNLIKELY we shall see a Continuation then we really cant be 100% sure of WHAT would be Davids Queen.

I would ASSUME that maybe he would MUTATE someone who would be Shackled/Incapacitated to some Degree, who would then Produce like SMALL EGGS that then David would take away to Plant somewhere and watch them GROW.

I think that would be  HORRIBLE FATE for say Daniels, if she became a Mutant who was Restrained and Constantly giving Birth to Eggs, maybe you could hear some HALF HUMAN moans and Screams so we can Connect with her SUFFERING.

But this would NOT work much as i DONT think we had any Connection and so Empathy with Daniels Characters.  This kind of FATE would have worked better for Dr Shaw as it would be some CRUEL FATE for a Woman who could NOT bare a Traditional Child to be FORCED to Constantly give BIRTH to Horrors.

It's so vast..... I think they should go down the "We found a Wormhole to another part of the galaxy!" trope.

Allow the monsters a faster path to Earth or humans a faster path to the monsters.

David creating his own hybrid...is starting to sound like Alien: Resurrection ?

Daniels + Xeno = Queen + Ripley ( Xeno blood ) = Newborn + human = Super Soldier ?

Sounds convoluted.

But this makes me admire Alien: Resurrection all the more...What a bonkers plot!

Ripley 8 had some xeno attributes...Maybe this caused the newborn to be inbred (  sure looked like it! )

Maybe a normal human and a xeno would give it the reproductive organs?

So yeah I think this is what they are going for: David creates the Queen from Aliens.

How the Queen gets to LV-426 is something else.

And so i Expect that maybe Daniels would be a UNWILLING DONOR of Egg Cells to allow David to Create more Eggs.

Dead right. I rather doubt David would even bother to wake Daniels up. As a source of human eggs, she’s pretty useful right where she is!

That’s a big deal, because oxygen is by far the heaviest part of the kind of rocket fuel you’d need to lift humans off the surface of Mars. Not to say it’s the essential stuff we breathe. Now, if only they could manage to land something similar on the Martian polar ice caps, there would be everything needed to make rocket fuel.

It would be a sight to see a hydrogen harvester trundling down from the polar regions to the more balmy equator, towing a few hundred tons of liquid hydrogen.

EDIT: thinking about this, it would make more sense to harvest water ice from the polar regions and transport it (easy to carry, and no cryogenics involved). With a load of water ice at your disposal, it would be a doddle to convert to rocket fuel - only electricity required.

In the time of Aliens, the number of surveyed worlds is “over 300”, which would probably amount to less than a pixel on the above illustration.

There are about 500 stars to choose from within 100 light years that are similar to our own.

Space is indeed BIG.

We suspect the Engineers have been around for perhaps millions of years. That’s plenty of time for them to swamp the entire Galaxy, which is 100,000 LY across, many many times over.

Unless, of course, there is some unseen foe…

I HAVE said this before....

The Explored Galaxy as FAR as what we have seen in the Movies (Places we been to) FITS within a Small Area and Actually Smaller than EVEN the RED DOT in the Galaxy Image Shared.

The Green Circle is a Radius of 10'000 LY which would take the Nostromo over 210 Years to Reach!

With the ALIEN Franchise you can SET another Discovery/Horror between the Years 2150-2250 and NOT have to Conflict with the ALIEN Franchise.

Within the Franchise and the Prometheus Plot.... we ask the Following.

*Are the Engineers ONLY found on Planet 4 and LV-223?  (UNLIKELY).

*Have the Engineers ONLY created Humanoids on Earth? (UNLIKELY).

*Could there have been Humans in other Parts of the Galaxy from Thousands of Years ago? (POSSIBLY)

*Have the Engineers unleashed or TESTED their Pathogen/Bio-Weapon on other Worlds before? (LIKELY).

*Was there some Organism that BEGAN the Strain of Xenovirus/Experiments on LV-223? (POSSIBLY).

*Could there be other OUTPOSTS like LV-223? (POSSIBLY).

And so its VERY LIKELY you could go to ANOTHER WORLD, that has something Related to the Pathogen Unleashed on it, or some Organism that is Connected to it, also VERY LIKELY there would be Worlds with Humanoids, and EVEN more Humans the Engineers had Seeded there.  There is Guaranteed to be OTHER WORLDS the Engineers have some Outpost or Cities on.

And we CANT RULE OUT that some Worlds you have Engineers and Humans (or Humanoids) Living SIDE BY SIDE.

The Franchise does-not have to be CONTAINED within PLACES that either David or Ripley have BEEN/GOING!

We have a BIG GALAXY of Creation/Life and Horrors and we have BARELY gone and Scratched the Surface ;)

Indeed as Michart had indicated we see David has USED the Creation Tool (Pathogen) to Cross-Breed many Organisms to TAKE certain Traits and Combine them into ONE SUPER ORGANISM.

Dane Hallet had even confirmed that the Engineers had NOTHING to do with the Xenomorph (as far as the Direction they had taken).

@Indonator

Yes we saw those in Predator 2 as a Easter Egg, and with AVP 2004 then YES the Xenomorph was THOUSANDS of Years Old, but the AVP Franchise and Predator are NOT Considered Direct Canon.  Certainly NOT as far as where RS had wanted to take us. 

The Decision to make DAVID the Creator of the Xenomorph had come after Spring 2015, prior to that the Xenomorph Origins was NEVER going to be Told, and David was going to Create something ELSE that we would see some Connection to the Xenomorph with.

The Xenomorph Origins is something that has EVOLVED over the Years.

1977-1978 They was the Remains (Egg/Spore Stage) of some Ancient Organism that was somewhat Civilized (STARBEAST).

1979-1981 We had Ridley Scott indicate they was some Engineered Weapon that likely the Space Jockey had Created.

1985-1986 We had James Cameron introduce the Queen and Hive Aspect of the Xenomorph which then added some debate to that the Xenomorph could have been some Pre-Existing Organism the Space Jockey must have either attempted to USE as a Weapon or was attempting to Transport it for STUDY.

Since 1986 until 2009 then its Origins and Connection to the Space Jockey was KEPT a Mystery a ambiguous one.  Various Comics, Video Games and AVP etc had indicated different Clues to their Origins but in CONTEXT to the ALIEN MOVIE Franchise it was kept a Mystery.

2009-2011 We had the work on the Prequels where the Xenomorph was indicated as a Engineered Bio-Weapon which had MANY Variants the Engineers had Experimented with and it seemed the ORIGIN to them came from Experiments on some other ANCIENT Organism.

2012 We had Ridley Scott say the Xenomorph came after the Outbreak on LV-223 some TWO Thousand Years ago, and seemed to indicate that something had EVOLVED in the Cargo Hold that then INFECTED the Space Jockey who then Quarantined the Derelict on LV-426 some Few Hundred Years after.

2013-2014 It seemed that the Xenomorph Origins would be STEERED AWAY from but David would Create something ELSE that maybe could Provide Clues to the Xenovirus/Pathogen and WHAT it could Create in the WRONG HANDS.

2015-2016 They worked on Alien Covenant where RS had decided that we SHOULD get to the ORIGINS of the Beast and LV-426 and decided to MAKE IT that David would be the Creator of the Xenomorph instead of something ELSE.

"They already had to shoehorn the xeno into A:C just to make it a 'Alien' movie"

I think a LOT of this was because they EVENTUALLY thought that the FANS would want to KNOW about the Space Jockey Event....  But they also wanted to keep the David becomes a Creator Plot from Earlier Drafts and so it seemed LOGICAL to them to GIVE those Answers to LV-426 would mean we have to SET-UP how we get their and SHOW that WHERE those Eggs came from and then they THOUGHT about LETS MAKE THEM the Creation of David.

The Origin of the QUEEN from ALIENS is something that had always been UP for Debate, it seems that RS may have seen it as a Evolutionary Mutation of the Xenomorph.  It seemed that back between 2010-2011 the Idea that had was that the Engineers had been Experimenting with the Creation Tool, and some Organism to Create like 8 Variants of the Xenomorph, each being a BIT different and so each could have had a Different Procreation.

I do SUSPECT that IF we saw Ridley Scott go and Continue then he would have SHOWN us the EGG MORPH ;)

But when looking at the Prequels and Mutations/Monsters then it seems that a LOT of Success came from INFECTING a Human Egg Cell with the Xenovirus if you would... THIS is likely what CAUSED the Trilobite/Deacon.

Looking at Davids Notes it seems he Tried this with the Engineers but he FOUND that using a Human Reproductive System had given him his BEST Results.

And so i Expect that maybe Daniels would be a UNWILLING DONOR of Egg Cells to allow David to Create more Eggs.

I think the TALE at Play will FIT with the Themes of Playing GOD and especially when Creating something UNHOLY can lead to a Hubris, we also have the Search for Perfection.  And so i WOULD NOT have RULED OUT us seeing that David encounters a Advanced Synthetic Model who is more Organic than even Walter and David then Transfers his A.I Soul to this NEW BODY...

He then gets INFECTED with his OWN XENOMORPH and Gives BIRTH to the First BIO-MECHANICAL Queen.

When David is talking about PERFECTING HIS QUEEN i think he is Basically looking at the BEST and Most Efficient way that he can Create Multiple Eggs and so to Infect individual Female Human Egg Cells would be something he would see as a LONG PROCESS.

I suspect that we would have seen David go and Create a Hybrid Human/Xenomorph that would become his Queen maybe? I think he saw this as a Better Route to Reproducing such Horrors.

"budget busters"

I think that YES to give us more Bio-Mechanical World would have COST a LOT, especially if Ridley Scott wanted to USE as many Actual Sets as he could (as opposed to Green Screen).  But it seemed that the HR Giger Estate was NOT that Pleased about using a HR Giger Aesthetic, and who knows if they Decided to CUT BACK as they could not come to a AGREEMENT or maybe it would COST them?

I think some Fans were Disappointed at this Less BIO-MECHANICAL Aesthetic that we ENDED UP with.

Its interesting that you BRING UP about the Xenomorph!

Going back to 2012/2013 we had Ridley Scott say the NEXT MOVIE would NOT connect to ALIEN but would STEER AWAY and so by that he likely meant that it would NOT give us Xenomorphs, or explain WHAT  happened no LV-426 and WHEN.  But RS had indicated that THEY (David and Dr Shaw) would be going to the Planet of the Engineers where they would meet some Beings who are NOT really Gods and are FAR from Benevolent but David would be BRINGING HELL with him and WHAT would Happen if the Pathogen infected a God or Machine.

so the indication was back then THAT we would see David no doubt at some point UNLEASH the Pathogen on the Inhabitants of the Engineers World and we would get to see some of the EFFECTS.

Feb 2015 i had a Source who indicated to me that the NEXT MOVIE would have TWO MONSTERS and that they was NOT the Xenomorph but we would see some Connection (especially ONE of them) and that ONE of these MONSTERS would be Created by David and Dr Shaw plays a BIG ROLE in its Creation.

So again its indicated that David would CREATE a NEW MONSTER but it would NOT be our Classic Xenomorph.

When we look at the Khang Le Concepts again we seem to see that David looks responsible for Unleashing the Pathogen even as FAR BACK as 2014 and we get ONE MONSTER as a Result, but then David would conduct Experiments to Create something ELSE....   These Concepts DO-NOT look like our Xenomorph.

But indeed it would seem indicated that the Pathogen has some Genetic Link to our Xenomorph.

It would seem that maybe when Dante Harper had came in, but CERTAINLY when John Logan had worked on his Drafts from the SUMMER of 2015 that THEY had then decided that the NEXT MOVIE would give us the XENOMORPH Origins to then SPOON FEED us to LV-426

And so YES "thought they were getting a little to far from the essential ideas" it seemed that instead of showing us something that has Traces of DNA, they Decided to give us the FULL XENO Origins and take us to Eventually the Space Jockey Event

Either that in 1997 in predator 2 on trophy wall was xenomorphs skull and in AVP 2004 they readed that they both fight for tousend years

Perhaps the original concepts were budget busters? Seems odd what they scrapped. 

Probably thought they were getting a little to far from the essential ideas..... mainly....Xenos and more Xenos!

I like those ideas.....but, I'm wondering how they will link the prequels with the sequels? Seems further from the truth.  They already had to shoehorn the xeno into A:C just to make it a 'Alien' movie.

If they can directly tie A:C 2 to anyone of the sequels I'd be happy.

I will Start with these from Khang Le in 2014

These seem to be OFFICIAL but i dont think anyone has had any Interview with Khang Le but he is a Professional Concept Artist and has worked on Various Movies.  If we assume these are INDEED works for a ALIEN MOVIE then with the Date of 2014 this would imply this is PRIOR to the Dante Harper Drafts.

What we see from these Concepts is that INDEED we see David has Unleashed Hell on the Engineers, and some of these Infected Engineers appear to Mutate into something a bit like the Neomorph.

We then see that some Human Explorers have arrived but they get USED by David to conduct Experiments to Genetically Grow like Egg Sacks that Contain Hybrid Parasites.  We then have Various Concepts of what are called Xenomorphs but they do-not look like our Xenomorph, but what these seem to be is Various Ideas/Concepts about WHAT KIND of MONSTER that David would go on to Create.

Not a LOT can be Gauged by these, we see that the Engineers World is more Futuristic and Bio-Mechanical and it does seem that David would Unleash the Pathogen on the Engineers that KILLS some but also MUTATES some into Horrors.

We then see that David has used some Incoming Humans to Conduct Experiments to CREATE his Very Own..... MONSTER.

http://www.khang-le.com/alien-convenant.html

Link to Khang Le works for a ALIEN Movie, check out some of their OTHER work too.