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"The Predator" truly was a rotten and uninspired movie. Let's hope this new one brings things back on track. He doesn't have a large track record, but I liked 10 Cloverfield Lane. That movie was more about suspense, whereas a Predator movie needs a lot more action. If nothing else it will be a litmus test to see how squeamish Disney will be when it comes to a blood shocker.

@MonsterZero, it depends on the Engineer's priority. If it's still his mission to destroy Earth after he was rudely awakened he might not care anything about other matters.

@dk, good point about the vulnerability of the Juggernaut. It doesn't seem that well protected. You're probably right; the Engineers are likely so arrogant that they don't expect their ships to be attacked.

The odd thing is that Dr. Shaw's Juggernaut blasted out of the thick atmosphere at (what I guess) would be several kilometres per second. That at least would need some kind of shielding, as the aerodynamic forces would be tremendous. Being generous, you could imagine that the Juggernaut had a forward-projecting shield, good for atmospheric protection and general travel, but the shield was ineffective at the rear of the ship (where the thrusters would be active).

I think the Engineers were going to bombard Earth with the pathogen but went to sleep for whatever reason. It wasted no time setting a course to Earth with the pathogen payload. 

The ease of destroying the Juggernaut is interesting. Perhaps they didn't expect such primitive tactics from a supposedly inferior creation. Maybe they didn't feel a need to have a defense at all. Arrogance? 

Too bad the Juggernaut didn't have some sort of shield like Planet 4 had. Oops! 

Roger G

Your rumor sounds more exciting than a new Predator movie. I hope it happens.

Cool!

Hope the script leaks early.....give us some idea of the direction.

I just can't imagine the Engineer leaving the humans on LV223 alive and the Prometheus intact? To further defile the temples.

Sublight communications could warn Earth far in advance or the Prometheus is faster and arrive ahead of the engineer.

It was only after the Engineer crashed did he learn about humanity(when he boarded the lifeboat).

We all miss a long time forum member, but it doesn't mean we go full stop either. People still have stories to tell and ideas to share and we should respect and even cherish that since we don't know if or when another member will go dark on coms.

Carry on, VivisectedEngineer !

The Engineer plotted a course for Earth before take off - you can see this in the map room. After inflicting a good deal of violence on the crew of the Prometheus. So, it seems to me that he was hell bent on the destruction of Earth.

Could you also find some time help FIND BIGDAVE!!!

If the means are available, we are all in. I don't know of any outside PMs and threads.

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Awesome! Great job as usual.

Nice post!

And we still don't really know how fast these juggernauts can fly...It's 40 Light Years to Earth....It took the Prometheus two+ years to reach LV223! If the juggernaut is the same or slower! It'll be a Long wait...

How long did it take David and Shaw to reach planet 4? Maybe that would be the top speed.

Information is passed much faster than light speed.....So an incoming enemy/unknown starship would be well prepared for.

"Oort cloud sensors are monitoring an incoming vessel. Unknown type. It will arrive in 8 hours.....So we can keep our tee time."

When it comes to making movies we all know there is great secrecy studios employ. Movie studios in general are all trying to produce block buster films to make the most money - half a billion to over a billion with production budgets under a buck fifty - 150 million. 

Having stated this, these different production companies / studios are very competitive trying to position their releases at the most optimal time during the highest grossing months, middle of summer and end of the year. 

So when it comes to making movies there has to be operational  secrecy as to locations, characters, plots, special effects, and just overall what the movie will do in terms of being a competitor against any and all movies produced near the same time. 

If there was a new Alien moving closer to or into principle photography it would be doubtful that the general public would hear or be able to read anything about it.

I am not sure who that source is that Leto is dismissing; but, I agree with Leto that it is very difficult to get information out of these studios prematurely simply because they have so much competition. Movie studios are trying to lock in their profits while maintaining as much secrecy as possible during any phase of their production.

These studios only release relevant information to the general public exactly when they want them to hear it so they can make the most out of promotional marketing strategies.

When you are spending a tenth of billion to make a film and have competing studios also trying to earn billions out of the same audiences, you do not want just any internet desk editorial columnist leaking your production strategy. These inside movie sources can be dubious at best and highly unreliable.

You will know when there is a real Alien film because there will be a real trailer for it that has been released by the studio heads.

You should wait for this news on verified sites. Without links to WGTC, of course.

In addition, this is nothing more than information passed through a blender that we received at the beginning of the summer.

Daniel Richtman? Names don't matter. WGTC has already reported that Tarantino is starting filming the next Predator. And where?

I am pretty sure Daniel Richtman knows something, he was right in the past about the intention to bring back Ripley and now this confirms the words of Ridley Scott about working on a new Alien film.

It is not dead information.

Wait and see.

I would welcome a new movie in the Alien franchise obviously. Although I would like to also see the final prequal finished up to see how it is all connected to Alien.

Here is a possible tie-in....most of the movie is about the Engineers on another planet doing something and then just parts of the film is how the eggs get on the Juggernaut on LV-426...we see how this concludes with the space jockey and then the last parts of the film ending near or around the chest burst.

It would be interesting to see Engineers arrive after the Nostromo leaves, having come from Planet 4 seeing what David did, then making plans for an attack on Earth.

WeGotThisCovered.

Trust percentage: -100%

Alas, there is nothing to discuss here. This is a fiction. Dead information.

"But somehow I did manage to find the time to write a new, three chapter fan fic."

It is great an all that you are doing your "thing." 

Could you also find some time help FIND BIGDAVE!!!

BIGDAVE has gone missing for weeks!!! and we are very concerned!

I know that came off a little harsh; but, I am being honest. I could careless about reading fiction right now. Every time I come here I come here because care deeply for the people that are here. I check in on this web page daily for any sign or clue as to his where abouts....and BigDave has just vanished and I am sickened by the very idea he may not come back or that something has happened to him and I AM UPSET!!!!! VERY UPSET!!!

Reach out to her- nothing ventured, nothing gained.

The autobiographical elements seem obvious to me and I think it is why the story comes across so well. Sometimes good stories are sort of authors telling stories as part of dealing with personal things- GOOD HONEST writing!

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Vivsectedengineer - there are people playing on roll20 and free leagues servers and there are plenty of playthroughs on youtube to watch. Good fun.

Dk - i play solo. No reason not to if thats your thing.

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Nice if that is your thing. I play games to avoid dealing with people.

That is beautiful- and perhaps somewhat biographical in some sort of way if I may be bold. I would love to see you and BWW collaborate somehow since you both seem to be cut from the same cloth.

Thank you.

This may be easier to access,

https://archiveofourown.org/works/27375850/chapters/66899080

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I'm planning out a campaign as we speak with my family, still trying to get used to it since I'm used to 5E and Pathfinder's game rules.

So Far we have a Pilot, a Scientist, and a Roughneck

I appreciate the artistic look of almost any sci fi movie. As a geezer, I understand modern movies need to look a certain way. I also understand and agree with the suspension of belief that is required with scifi.

For prequels, I have noticed the apparent technological advancements with prequels such as the Alien franchise as well as Star Wars and the POTA franchises. I will toss in The Thing prequel in there too- even though it occurred within a day from the original 1982 movie. The Star Trek reboot did a fairly decent job regarding weaponry though.

I get it. I just think it would be refreshing to see a prequel take in the look and technological capabilities of the original movie. 

Leto,

Chronologically it is impossible to carry over the original props conveyed in Alien to future productions. In 1979 Alien was "state of the art," as you can get!

In terms of pure technological aesthetics it is difficult at best for audiences seeing old cathode ray tube monitors, "PAL TV'S" boob tubes, then making the leap to fully independent interactive holographical computer interfaces that were seen in Prometheus.

As movie watchers we are all under the assumption of  suspension of disbelief such that what we saw in Alien is the same aesthetically as what we have watched in the prequal films. 

I am not sure subjectively why anyone takes issue with creative narrative license when it comes to sci-fi films. I believe the main difference is that the earliest film, Alien, was so iconic that deviations from the overall props of the film cause some dissonance in some viewers when technically it should not.

If I may be so bold, I would like to artistically put this another way. Alien is no doubt a masterpiece as good as any other artform. Comparatively to masterworks in renaissance painting Alien is another separate art form equally as good in terms of contemporary art. Having stated this I believe the logical test then is never to judge any film or painting comparatively against anything earlier or later. 

There simply is no comparison constructively or any argument to compare these films to each other. They are all separate works of art each independent on their own.

We can all of us always state preference for styles in art; however, I think we all do ourselves a disservice to say that any future works must rigidly be defined in exact terms relatively from previous works down to exact details.

Great art is great art, no matter when it is made chronologically, and so there is no subjective comparative qualitative requirements that the two should measure up exactly. 

This is just as good as this...in some ways each is better than each other; but, I dare not fall into those types of subjective traps.

dk

There are no excuses here.

It was strange if multibillionaires like Wayland were traveling on muddy and oily barges. Prometheus is not a cargo barge, it is an elite yacht. You can see both: yachts and barges today; so, why should things be different in the future?

Of course, I love the retro-futurism style of Alien/s, but we must understand that the idea should work for the story, not vice versa.

If the next story will be about an ordinary workers on a cheap ship or about colonial marines on a minimalistic warship, then there must be an Alien art-style. In all other cases, no. Not necessary.

DK,

Yeah aesthetically carrying over 40 year old film props would be a difficult stretch of the imagination for many audiences to sink with what they see in so many other contemporary films with similar special effects and treatments.

The aesthetic dissonance you are seeing in the newer films is just something you are supposed to overlook as a film goer or at least that is what the producers of this franchise expect.

I certainly can understand your expectations. I like the look of Alien and I also like the look of the newer special effects.

One thing that bothers me about the prequels and prequels in general is that the technology is better when it should be as good or even less advanced. We heard excuses that the Prometheus and Covenant ship were more advanced since they were more highly funded than the lowly Nostromo crew ship. I think that is sort of a cop out. If there is another prequel, I would like to see the technology be on par with Alien- small screens with DOS looking text, equipment that malfunctions and has to be mannually fixed etc. That is part of why I still think A3 holds up against AC. They were pretty primitive tech wise. It could still be done in a great visual way, but I don't want to see holograms and such in a prequel when the original was comparably low tech.

Some parts of these films are masterpieces. Artistically I believe we all enjoy certain aspects about each of these films. What I find interesting about AC are the updated special effects for specifics scenes. The back-buster scene I think would have been terrifying years ago; however, contemporary audiences in general have so much more exposure to similar gore and violence. As powerful as the scene was visually contemporary audiences were unimpressed. This was not lost on me at all and in fact I enjoyed the evolution of seeing how far RS had come in terms of translating his vision onto the big screen.

There are other treatments in AC worthy of notable mention where artistically the work is unique demanding further discussion. Over all the ending did not work for me.

Alien gets a little harder to watch just because it is getting dated. My thoughts on Alien are thus. When Ash demands the crew go to the surface, lets it in the ship, watches it as it slowly infects Kane, tells the crew nothing scientifically, tells Kane nothing of what is inside of him when wakes up, and so this is when I realize Ash is a bad guy. I do not believe this sentiment has come before when discussing Alien. I thought it was implied everyone got this from many subsequent viewings of the film.

In retrospect if I were Dallas I would have shoved Ash's ass right into that airlock with the flame thrower and made him go after what he obviously was so responsible for in terms of breaking quarantine.

Alien has a high level of sophisticated deceit attributable to Ash's character and so the real introspective movie goers establish that his character is working entirely against the crew. I enjoyed this aspect about Alien so much because it raises the bar for the average movie goers to really discern what motivates Ash. 

As far as the other films, I enjoy Aliens just as a great popcorn film. Prometheus has so many problems structurally and is only enjoyable abstractly for me. I have to ignore many plot holes in Prometheus to call it a complete film. Prometheus has powerful visual elements; but, these are all diminished by it's other sins.

I love Covenant. My quadrilogy (by chronology):

1. Prometheus.

2. Covenant.

3. Alien.

4. Aliens.

Prometheus has the better worldbuilding than Covenant. Covenant is a more solid story than Prometheus.

That's just plain bizarre, holy shit.

Isn't the pharmacy there to make your situation better? ;-)

Honestly, if I would get a paper like that I would probably save it or at least take a picture. Getting that number is a thing that at most happens some times in your life-time (if you go by probability). That you're an alien-fan just makes it better because then you find it fun.

Roger G: Where do you get that from? It still says Untitled alien prequel in his IMDB page.

I can only speak for myself, I don't like it very much since most of the characters were without personality. Reason two is because it was too much about the androids even though Fassbender did a good job. My reason for watching these movies is not the androids but the human journey.

David as the creator of the Xeno sucks balls and is probably my biggest complaint about it because to me it takes a big crap on the alien-lore. Another but smaller reason is that I was hoping to see more about the Engineers, but they got wiped out and also they didn't look that impressive. Living in stone-huts, seriously?

AC is better than the AVP's and AR so I got to give it that. Not sure about Prometheus because AC had better characters because they were not as annoying and felt more like real people but at the same time it didn't have David as the creator of the Xeno. Both prequels are mixed bags to me, with good parts and those that are crappy.

To me Alien 3 is the best one in the franchise but I can understand why people have problems with it. AC doesn't come close to it as far as quality is concerned. You'll probably find people that disagree with me but that's fine. We have many movies in this franchise and the more movies the less likely it is that people have the same preferences.

Covenant to me comes after the original three as far as the quality is concerned and maybe after Prometheus. During the time of Prometheus they didn't have David as the creator but the characters are better in Covenant. The characters are not as annoying, which is important to me but there are other things that I don't like. Quit this android-thing and keep Scott far away from the story.

It's pretty good until they get down to the planet and the characters become largely uninteresting or stupid and then it gets shut off. It doesn't even come close to aging as well as A3.

It has problems but I'd probably put it third behind Alien and Aliens.

It gets hate mainly because people don't like David being the creator of the Aliens.