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BigDave

Having listened to their comments, my interpretation is that the intention was to show us what happened on Earth millions of years ago (but that this could also have happened elsewhere). It also makes sense that in the beginning we see the sacrificial Engineer seeding Earth with his DNA, and later on Shaw finds a DNA match between Engineers and humans.

Furthermore, even if we see green areas here and there, they talk about starting life itself (although Scott is a bit inconsistent).

David is, of course. more complex. Is he following orders or has he become sentient and has a free will?

BioDegradable

Most of the things I put forth has been discussed and disputed here. That’s why I went back and listened to what the creators of the movie had to say, that is their intentions.

I will try to say something positive about AVPR. The eggs being forced down the woman's throat was pretty gruesome and well done.

I watched The Predator a couple nights ago and think it was better than AVPR by a large margin- but not really worth watching again.

AvP:R is a bad movie, but it has two redeeming factors IMO...

#1 - Wolf is the second best Predator ever after the one in the 1987 original, and

#2 - It is better than The Predator.

I try to find something redeeming in AVPR, but there just isn't much to like about it. A failure of poor story-telling. Nothing emotionally resonate in the film at all.

It was the first Alien film where a child was directly chestburst and did you feel for him. Nope. It resonated less so than even Burke or one of the unnamed bald, old, convicts running around in the lead works of Fury.   

BD i've tried several times to sit through it too. I think after about 6 attempts (including the first cinema viewing) Ive made it through to end once. Its just boring, weak, and lackluster on every level  

Haven't the Engineers been verified as human by a DNA test? Therefore they can't be immortal. Or am I missing something?

Now David has a lot of bio-material at his disposal. He has the mutagen. He already created perfection in one form. Why not create some diversity, enhance it a bit? After all he should be for all the different life forms - he himself is this representative of alternative life form. He is also a good amount smarter than all his fore-bearers.

But there is no controversy in these observations though nor any news are there? And if so is it just "A man watches Prometheus"?

The other post by BigDave spurred another throwaway fantasy. I am not sure it is all that new and original, but:

what if the two sects of engineers are oppositely dualistic. One sect (living on Planet 4) are these beings cultivating and seeding life, believing in all the stereotypical good things,

while the other sect - couldn't be more different: they believe in sacrifice but their idol is this monster-beast that is depicted on the mural (ultimately Xenomorph, whom David evolved) and their shtick is to sacrifice all the life seeded by the other sect on planetary scale in the name of science and progress. They enhanced themselves. They look different. They love their goo(which might have been appropriated and adapted for a different purpose). Sacrifice a planet with its inhabitants, whole civilizations even - no problem for them. So in the end you have the two: a religious tradition VS the science/engineering/progress. A bit like in the old times : church vs science.

Now, David who is, no doubt a pinnacle of scientific research, completely unexpected by the engineers, probably doesn't have high opinion of one of the sects. He took all the best from both of the sects though - the goo from one faction and the subjects to conduct his experiments from the other. The end result is another pinnacle - Xenomorph, his success.

Weyland was a pioneer, indeed a god of sorts, in a way similar to engineers - he created David from scratch, a form of life that engineers couldn't have foreseen. He miscalculated that his achievement would be appreciated so much by his makers that he will be given immortality. Why? Because he made David practically immortal, and if he, Weyland made such a thing, surely his creators have such powers - and he hoped to be granted this gift, because he was the first of human civilization who has reached this goal. Unlucky Weyland got to a wrong sect. He should have gone to Planet 4. Perhaps they would have appreciated his efforts a bit more.

This movie has aged remarkably well in the face of the fourth Predator movie. In comparison, it's really not that bad.

I think it goes deeper than that while also remains Ambiguous, there have been Various Comments and extras that seem to Change Conclusions a little. Also the idea has changed/evolved from Spaights Ideas (Alien Engineers) to the Shooting of Prometheus, to the Cutting Floor and Changes..

So i would like to Elaborate on a few things ;)

The Opening Scene

This could have been Anywhere, it was to show us HOW the Engineers chose to Seed Life, it was indicated they would then come back and Further Evolve Life over Time... But indeed it shows us that this Process had been Carried out on Earth too, the Sacrificial Scene already had Plant Life and likely Basic Life so this was the Catalyst that allowed for Complex Cell Evolution (but a similar Sacrifice could have taken on a Baron World Many Millions of years prior).

Sir Peter Weyland

It seems that he has made many Advances in Medicine but he has STILL not been able to discover the KEY to Immortality or Greatly Extended Life, he is Dying and so he sees the Findings of Dr Shaw as a Last Ditch Effort to meet our Makers in the HOPE they can Grant Him more Life..... he feels he Deserves as such!

Miss Vickers

Certainly has little Interest in this Venture, she thinks its Pointless, she would rather be at HOME and preparing for the Aftermath of the Inevitable "a king has his reign" and this Queen would rather be Home preparing to Sit on the Weyland Throne!

Maybe she picked NOT the best Bunch Employees so that she can hopefully get this over and done with and BACK HOME!

David

Is more Complex to go into detail, he seems to be aware he is more Superior, he also seems to aspire to be more Human and treated as such... we see a Pinocchio kind of outlook to him... he has a Childlike Wonder at certain things, he is kind of a Boy at Heart, a Boy who is Molded by his Environment and Treatment he has a Curiosity about him and what makes Weyland think he is a God.... he is not Fond of Humans, but then with Dr Shaw he seems to be Impressed by her Resolve, he was following Orders, but desired to be Free and Once he is... well thats where its AMBIGIOUS what he would want to do NEXT.

The Space Jockey

Certainly the aim was he was a Engineer, Scale got Changed, but there was enough to show the Events of LV-223 and LV-426 are Connected.  There is still that aspect the Space Jockey had performed a Benevolent Act.... but Benevolent for WHO.. likely his own KIND. 

Ridley Scott indicating the Ship was Quarantined on LV-426 as the Space Jockey knew he was infected, and this Event happened either a Few Hundred Years after or Prior to the Main Outbreak 2000 years ago.

Humans

Further Indications are they had Created such Life in other Places, and at some point we were Visited and Taught things by the Engineers, until we became Sentient and Rebellious and seen as a Threat. And so Potential was seen in us but then also Potential Threat.

The Monster

The Mural and Frescos seem to indicate the Engineers realize that Sacrifice was needed for these Monsters, and seems they had attempted to Engineer different versions in the Pursuit of some kind of Perfection they had Admired...

The route i would have gone is Option 7

I actually posted this idea a Few Years ago.... which is a Parrellel Plot to Alien Resurrection...

The Failed Ripley 7 Queen and Sample of Ripley 8 Blood are sent to another Facility by USM that i was thinking was on a Moon in our Solar System or maybe a Space Station.

Where they would see the Queen Survive but it is a Hybrid, it is like a Cross Between a Queen and the New Born... as it has more Human DNA....   this Queen Produces Live Births like the New Born, only it Produces this Quickly, maybe at a Rate of every 8 hours or 12.... or maybe Quicker..

These Hybrids i envisioned to look more like the Neomorphs (before Alien Covenant was even a idea) basically i intended to merge some of the Concepts for Alien 3, with some of those from Prometheus to give us a Hybrid....

These would Procreate Similar to the Pred-Alien, they basically could Implant Embryo's, these Produce another ALIEN Form (Quite Quickly), that i was thinking would either be more Human or more Alien than the Organism that Implanted the Embryo's (thinking more ALIEN)

The USM Facility would also use Ripley 8 DNA to Create Humanoid Super Soldiers (we dont need Miss Weavers, or even Females) i thought these beings would appear Sex-Less and Bald, slight Elongated Heads and would look similar to the Engineers from Prometheus....  only slightly though...

So we see a Hybrid Queen, a Hybrid Off-Spring that can Procreate by having other Hybrids so we have 3 KINDS of ALIENS... i was also going to show that the Queen Birthed Hybrids could MORPH a Female Human into a Cocoon, and at the END we see a 4-5ft Queen Hybrid Birth from this....

We also have Engineered Super-Humans... so it will have Human Military but also have these Super Beings too... some of these Survive...

so we could go with a Sequel... that would cover ONCE again a Hybrid Queen (could be a bit different) and or the Hubris of Creating Super Humans.... like Ripley 8 was... which ever or both and what the IMPACT for Mankind would be?

I was working on the Title to the First of these as being either ALIEN: Vendetta or ALIEN: Vindication or similar, something that begins with V that would have some bearing to the PLOT or HUBRIS.

So i was looking at some of Carlos Huantes Prometheus Concept works and Jordu Schell's Alien Resurrection ones for Inspiration... and looking at Amalgamation of these ideas.

@MonsterZero

1b) could be a Option by Virtue of how USM could Clone Ripley to obtain a Xenomorph, so as long as some Xenomorph DNA can be obtained from the Wreckage of the Auriga then WHY cant they not obtain it again.... or also could something had Survived?

5) Is something more open... we dont even need to Contradict the Prequels or go to LV-223...  IF the Engineers had used the Pathogen on a World before things went to POT! or After...   then indeed we could introduce something....  If Planet 4 had NO Engineers, NO City, it was a Place that David Visited and Accidentally deployed the Cargo, or Crashed and some Urns Leaked into the Mountain Stream, then those Neomorph Spores would have STILL HAPPENED.... how long would those Spores remain?  Could they Evolve?

So something similar could become of a World the Engineers had attempted to WIPE/CLEAN before.. how long does it take to CLEAR? if its say 500 Years, and you Wonder to this World say 300 years then there is gonna be some Nasty Stuff knocking around... 

We could even wonder if some Organisms had Evolved and NOT died and so YES thats a Option...  Another is if Eggs had been deployed by Engineers in the Past, what becomes of a World that has had those Deployed?

@Chli

Indeed Option 2 had been covered with Alien Isolation, the Derelict Damage as seen in ALIENS does-not look Natural to me, but i think this is a Fitting Story to explore with Amanda Ripley in context to a Continuation via the Game/Novel Medium..... surely she would want to Destroy the Derelict so the Organisms can-not be obtained?

Option 3 is something Interesting, its a Area i think Blomkamps Alien 5 could WORK... provided they replace the Protagonist (Ripley is DEAD) then i think there is Potential....  Are the Eggs ok?  Do they Produce Mutations?

Surely they would Experiment on Mutants to try and Extact a more Pure Strain of the DNA to then Re-Make the Xenomorph?  

WHY not if this could be done from Ripleys DNA! so working with Radioactive, Damaged Eggs would be Easier surely?

So YES that works too ;)

I watched it for the 4th Time Last Night, well 3rd Proper Time and i just Considered it as a Stand Alone..... by that i imagined if i had never seen ANY of the ALIEN or PREDATOR Movies.

Then it was not so BAD.... it was like so many those Sy-Fy Channel Action/Horror Flicks with some COOL ideas for MONSTER/ALIENS

The Alien Procreation was interesting, but the Adults just mindless Killing Machines, that Died quite Easy... so like Camerons Bug Hunt...

The Pred-Alien seemed to be better as it was more Tougher, but the Interesting thing was the PREDATOR and its Technology and Weapons...

The Rest of the Movie was MEH!

So then you saw the Potential in HOW they could explore those Aliens and Predator in Future.....

NOW if you considered AVP prior, then you would think that Actually this sequel is a LET-DOWN the Predator was Good, the Ending a Bit Lame, the Pred-Alien had potential but the Xenomorphs just not as Good as the First AVP!

IF you Consider the WHOLE of the Franchises, then you would see that AVPR was just a Disappointing way to use the Alien and Predator....

The Final 3rd of the Movie was not Good, and the Human Characters and scenes were MEH! some worked, some Scenes just never seemed to belong to a ALIEN or PREDATOR Franchise...

I will say the EFFECTS are not so bad.... not as Good as some others in the Franchise.... the Biggest Problem was close ups of the FULL Xenomorph, where it just has the MAN IN A SUIT look...

Why in ALIEN a lot was not shown of it, and also in Alien Covenant we had CGI!

We have this Problem with some Close Ups from ALIENS and also in ALIEN 3 where the Man in the Suit Alien looks different to the Puppet/CGI Version.

AVPR is a movie i would only Re-Watch now for some of the Action/Death Scenes... as the rest is well not worth seeing again..

I think there are some Elements of the Starbeast Story that has yet to be fully used in any of the Franchise Movies, Prometheus borrowed some Elements of it...........

The Franchise had seemed to indicate and Ridley Scott, that our Xenomorph was just a Engineered Bio-Weapon, nothing more and nothing less.....

So we have some fans who felt the Xenomorph in ALIEN was more than the Animalistic Beast that the Rest of the Franchise seemed to indicate.....

I think its past the Point to show the Xenomorph from ALIEN as being Greatly Different to the rest of the Franchise and that INTRODUCING something else, to have some of the Ideas about a more Intelligent, Self-Aware Alien could be explored by using the UNUSED ideas from STARBEAST.

So we could Speculate the Engineers had encountered the Remnants of a Alien Species Civilization or Birthing Place, and they then took the Spore Cycle of this Alien Species as the Foundation to their Experiments that became the Black Goo.

I think if we ever go that route, then WHY NOT have something that is Different and so is not a COPY of the Xenomorph, not in the sense of being too close to it.... and i think O'Bannon's Starbeast Concept is something to explore.

I think the time between Alien and Aliens has been covered in novels and games. A continuation of Alien: Covenant does not look good, at least not if the intention is to lead up to the Space Jockey and the Derelict (and its cargo). Perhaps it’s best to leave it where it is (still a bit ambiguous concerning the origin of the xenomorph)?

I opt for nr 3. It doesn’t really matter how long after the explosion of the atmosphere processor since it seems that the eggs can lie dormant forever . . .

Well, Predalien is pretty interesting.

I can't really dig into psychology or anything too much, but yes. I tHInk that feeling of being small, backed in a corner, or versus an impossible enemey or obstacle to overcome, is something that we, as humans, keep coming back to. 

I think there is a desire to face ouR inner fears, failures, or just push forward and do something. It is a lot easier to udnerstand things or do something (I tihnk. A times.) if there is a clear perosn or thing to get through. It is especially easy to feel like you've done that when you are simluating it. In a video game is GREAT way because it is you controlling things and doing it. Horror movies, books, etc., are all good ways to simulate the human experience. T ojust have an experience, feel like you have been through something and changed. This is one of the magical things about films and books. It can be a negative experience too

I haven't seen Star Beast. At this point, why should I?

More Enhanced Images of Dan O'Bannon's Starbeast idea.  We can see from the Full Image which i Enhanced a bit on the Left, that the Creature was similar to Ron Cobb’s Effort at the Bottom as far as its Anatomy to a degree.

I think the Bi-Pedal like Xenomorph we got was better as far as Design, but maybe a Amalgamation could be used for the STARBEAST.

There was ONE Concept for Alien Covenant well Prometheus 2 or was it Alien 5?  That had Praying Mantis like Appendages that was Bipedal but i cant seem to Locate it.

I would like to see some of O'Bannon's Concept introduced into the Franchise if they Explore something NEW.

BD- you are way too kind to spend that much time on this turd.

AVPR was so bad, that when I put it out with the garbage, the automated truck made sure it was the only thing to stay in the garbage can.

@BigDave,

All of the above please! lol!

I'd like 1b or 5.

Call it Alien:Evolution

Human babies are being born(Earth or colonies) with stubby tails and elongated craniums.

(The military no longer has to search for the xeno...We are giving birth to them!)

All a long play plan of the Engineers.

#2 would probably be my choice.

@DK

Option 2: Indeed this is like Alien Isolation so it would be a case of HOW does this Tie In or Effect that Game or do we go for those as being NONE-CANON?

When we look at the Derelict in ALIEN and in ALIENS we see the Ship has suffered Damage, at the time of those Movies it was suspected the Ship had been on LV-426 for a LONG LONG Time and so Wear/Tear over Time would not account for the Damage, also what are the Chances a ONCE in a LONG LONG Time STORM had caused it?  Could it had been Volcanic Activity or a Earthquake?

To me it looks like the Damage was caused by some Conflict, Weapons, Explosives and the Like... so thats something such a OPTION 2 could explore.

@Leto

Indeed OPTION 9: Could be Interesting because we have NOT been shown the Origin of the Black Goo or WHY it seems to have Different Effect in the Sacrificial Scene vs other times we have seen it..   So was the Goo obtained from another Alien Species?   Was the Goo a Creation Tool that was USED on a Encountered Species that lead to the Black Goo and LV-223 Experiments.

So YES this could be a interesting aspect to Explore as it would be UNLIKELY the Prequel Route would Answer this so it would not Contradict the Alien Covenant and Sequels if another Movie set say after 2200 would explore the Origins of the Black Goo and/or LV-223. This could give us a Chance to Re Visit the Starbeast Plot.

AVPR was so dark and poorly lit, that I had to wear this thing just so I could see what was happening.

And even that didn't really help, movie itself was cr@p.

I think we REALLY need to look at the SET-UP, and remember that the Movie AVPR is a Sequel.

And so its a case of WHERE do they go NEXT?

So with the ENDING that was Scar Predator having a Chest Buster that leaves us with the Pred-Alien, then THIS was the likely ROUTE to Continue.......  Then its also likely your going to need Human Characters, and so it was Logical that the SHIP would be heading to Earth.

Your left then with the case of WHERE!

So do you have the Ship Crash in/near a City?, a Rural Small Town or a Isolated Village?   Then we come to the NECESSITY for it to be in a English Speaking Country, as this is more simple as SADLY yes most Movies do prefer to be based on English for Wider Access to Puplic. So then your left with going to say USA, Canada, Hawaii, the UK, or say Australia/New Zealand (there are other options).

So they decided the USA and to a Rural Town....

The PROBLEMS ARISE..... from having the Movie being a Continuation of a Time-Line of the 21st Century, but i guess its a case of would having the Setting be another Isolated Place like the Antarctic again work?

I am sure many had Wondered what happens IF the Xenomorph gets to Earth and a Populated Place, and WELL... this is what AVPR attempts to Answer.....   

So your already LIMITED to what you can do, but then the BIGGEST PROBLEM... is Purely the Execution...

Execution from how to Write a Story about such a Plot was a bit Flawed, the Execution of said Plot as far as Casting/Writing and Acting was Below Par and Special Effects was not as Great!

We get that with Movies though.... Alien Resurrections Execution was NOT as good as the Previous Movies,  The THING prequel Plot Wise it could have worked, it was how they Fleshed Out and explored such a Plot but more so Execution that was just Sub Par!

So it was the EXECUTION that was POOR...

We ENDED up with a Movie thats like a lot of Survival Horror Flicks.... such as you see on Sy-Fy Channel....

Where they are all basically the same apart from you replace the ANTAGONIST/MONSTER and the Plot of HOW they are Discovered, Introduced or Summoned and what they Look Like and How they Respond/Kill.....

So replace Xenomorph with Zombie, with Toxic Mutant, another Alien Species, Summoned Demon, Leprechaun etc.....  

And AVPR was just like those but throw in Xenomorphs!

What do you think about this Interpretation (by Harnois75) of the ORIGINAL DEACON from the Mural?

This 12ft Monstrosity would make a Formidable Beast and likely be too much of a Match for the Xenomorph but NOT the Queen.

I think The Predator is worth watching once. It's unapologetic over the top sci fi entertainment meant for checking your brain at the door. Some of the humor is juvenile and there is a weird lull in the middle, but it picks back up. 

AVP is good pure sci fi geeky fun while AVPR is possibly the worst movie made for its genre ever. 

'The Predator' is really really bad. 'AVPR' is also really really bad. There's not much to choose between them in terms of badness, so don't plan on having a good night's viewing, BigDave.

I actually quite like AVP, on the other hand. It's a good suspense/action movie. I still wish they'd never meshed the Alien and Predator universe, but AVP is streets ahead of these other two turkeys.

9 definitely has great potential.

BigDave I don't think anything is as bad or worse than AVPR. 

Given those choices, I would go with #2. 

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION!

So where would you like to take the Franchise Next if say there was to be ANOTHER MOVIE, which could End-Up as a Stand Alone or Spawn a New Series of Movies

So which of these do you think they should do?

1a) Do we Carry on with a Direct Alien Resurrection Sequel and so would be about Ripley 8?

1b) Carry on with a Direct Alien Resurrection Sequel that would not be a Continuation Ripley 8?

2) Do we offer a Movie that goes back to the Derelict after the events of Alien but prior to Aliens.  (Alien Isolation did this).

3) Do we go back to the Derelict/LV-426 after the Destruction of Hadleys Hope, and how soon after would this be?

4) Do we look at a Parallel Plot to Alien Resurrection that for instance follows what happened to the Failed Ripley 7 Queen?

5) Do we go another Avenue of Related Horrors that come from Engineers or Davids Experiments, as in go to other Places where Eggs or Black Goo had been Deployed?  And if so then what Time-Line?

6) Do we go with Alien Isolation as in making a Sequel to the Game? (as we know what the Events of Alien Isolation are via Game/Novel).

7) Do we explore the Survival/Capture of the Xenomorph or Queen that are Floating in Space? (could also be the one from Covenant).

8) Do we go for a RET-CON of one of the Quadrilogy Franchise Movies?  AKA like Blomkamps Alien 5.

9) Do we go to a place where we uncover the Origins of what lead to the Engineers Experiments and Black Goo, which could be some place FAR FAR Away?

10) Give your TWO Cents on a Alternative, as in HOW do we do another ALIEN Movie that would introduce us to SOME kind of ALIEN Monster, that is related to a degree to the Black Goo/Xenomorph!

I still have yet to Watch The Predator but its on my Cable TV Service next week so i will watch it then, surely it cant be as bad as AVPR! lol

I think while Alien Covenant is not the Sequel that most wanted, it also seemed to be NOT quite what appeared to be the Direction if we look at Prior to 2014.  I think Prometheus left it open to EXPAND this Story in Many Ways, which Alien Covenant had just Clipped the Wings off that Bird.....

So its always Interesting to get another persons idea of HOW they would have Continued the Prequels.   I have not been Commenting on this Topic, because my replies can be too much in Depth and with the Subject Matter at Hand and Scope of WHAT could have happened after Prometheus, my Feedback would just kind of be TOO LONG and maybe Derail the Thread....

But i certainly am Interested in seeing your TAKE on what to have done NEXT, just as i would with others who would have wanted to go ahead and explain WHAT they would have Done Next....

While Alien Covenant will likely remain Canon... and to Continue with the Path is NOW more Simplistic but Disappointing, i still think its GREAT to discus Prometheus and what it could have led to because that Movie had almost Unlimited Scope, so its Good to see how others would have Continued with the Story.

@Michelle Johnston I'm sorry to have divagated from the original post. But for me, Covenant cannot be unseen and that from those 3 only Lindelof had the spine to not cave-in also says much. Scott was with the sequel only a businessman and Fassbender wanted his own franchise, so I cannot sympathize with either.

But I am really happy for you, none the less.

To support my post, here is a 5 minute video describing the allure of scary movies and games from a more scientific perspective.. Sorry if I cannot embed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UH-JDPdNws

There are other videos that are more in-depth but are either political or too on the nose imo. 

Dark Nebula I have to agree that AVP is better than Predator 2018. Both are good popcorn flicks but I think AVP has more re watch value.

@ignorantGuy

I am sure you won't find this response censorious if I say I only want in this thread to discuss Prometheus and its associated materials up to the day it was released in July 2012. 

So we have a savvy woman the sole survivor and a humbled robot. The only credible way to take the story forward is that David responds to Elizabeths decision to show him more kindness than anyone else by being affected. Anything else lacks coherence and would ignore the basic rules of drama.

I will permit myself one "fall" that "Furious Gods" repeatedly reminds the viewer of the kind of movie that Ridley was desperate to avoid making. Over and over again he talks of being fresh of moving to new ground of fresh takes on everything. I won't insult you by asking you to think about how that relates to the 20th Century Fox movie from 2017 set in the same universe.

What gives me huge joy and excitement is to know I did not project my view of what Prometheus was "all about" its there for all to see in 420 minutes of material. What you as a highly intelligent articulate person seeking fresh experiences can be reassured by is that at least three key people Fassbender, Scott and Lindelof were well aware they were taking a risk. They knew the vocal core fanbase much better than the core fanbase and their U Tube diatribes know the movie and what it was trying to do.    

I think when looking at a ALIEN Movie some Fans may think the Franchise should be about the Xenomorph, and so the Prequels and especially Prometheus seemed to go against this and STEER AWAY...

I think some wanted FULL ORIGINS... but i think for Most it was a case of the Clues where NOT good enough, and the ONLY Monsters we had close to ALIEN would had been the Hammerpede, the Trilobite and Deacon, who never really did much Damage or had much Screen Time to the LEVEL the Xenomorphs had in the Franchise, and so with Alien Engineers there was more Xenomorphy like Scenes....

So the POINT i am raising is that the Fans seem to think the Franchise should STICK with Alien Monsters, but maybe we dont have to explore ALIEN Monsters that are Identical or Near Identical to the Xenomorphs...  

So if as Gavin has mentioned a Few Times, the Xenomorph in Alien and Aliens are from Different Cargo Holds, then we could ASK... how many more Variants are on the Derelict?

How many more Derelict like Ships had Contained Egg Cargo's and WHERE are these and their Cargo?

The LV-223 Experiments and Black Goo can Produce Various Monsters, does the Black Goo Origins only come from this PLACE?  Had the Engineered Failed to Deploy such Horrors and so the only Origin/History of the Xenomorphs and Horrors from the Black Goo only Stem from the Trail that David has taken....  so from a Outbreak on LV-223, to taking this Pathogen to Planet 4, to Engineer it, to then taking it further on Origae-6 and then Results Ending up on LV-426.

Its that all the Place such Horrors had existed in the Pre-Alien Time Line?

If SO then does the Derelict have Multiple Variants of the Eggs?

If NOT then what state would the Eggs be in after Hadleys Hope Destruction, would their be Radioactive Fall Out and what effects would Radiation have on Mutating those Eggs?

IF we accept David had Re-engineered the Neomorphs and used the Black Goo to Engineer Various Monsters, then surely the COMPANY could do the same or similar?

Alien Resurrection showed signs the Xenomorphs were somewhat different.... we also had the New Born which in Concept was interesting, just Aesthetically it was a bit Comical....  it need NOT have been... (look how Horrific the Neomorph looked in Comparison).

So there are Avenues to introduce Xenomorphs that are Different, and Do-Not have to go the Avenue that Directly Follow Davids path, or more so be about Ripleys!

So if the Prequels seem a Quandary to Continue, and Fans want more ALIEN/ALIENS then we can find ways to introduce them, without Conflicting the other Movies, and also Introduce Variations as i think if we go for another ALIEN Movie, with the Xenomorph like in Alien Covenant/Alien or Aliens then its HOW-MANY such Movies like that can you SPEW out before you CREMATE the Beast?

Regarding Telepathy this could be Speculated as Forming a HIVE MIND... and i think its something the Xenomorph could Posses...   i think we have to Remember the Franchise is Sci-Fi which means its where we can Merge the Boundaries of Science with Fiction, but also incorporate Elements of Fantasy too.

I think certainly from a AI POV, then Synthetics and the like as a AI would posses such Ability or could be given it.  If the AIM was to Eventually infer to us that a Synthetic would play a Part in the Evolution of the Xenomorph from Alien Covenant, then having a Form of Telepathy makes sense.

some of Davids Experiments did seem to be making Hybrids of what seemed Part Neomorph and Part Engineer, and it seemed these had Evolved/Engineered to have some kind of Telepathic Communication.

Ridley Scott had claimed the NEXT movie would NOT have been about he Xenomorph, but about AI but also about WHAT it is that David would Create Next, looking at those Human Embryo's i wonder if he would attempt to CREATE his own Version of Humanoids, Superior and maybe he could incorporate some of his Experiments and indeed Create a Species that uses Telepathy!

If he does such a thing, and this Creation becomes Rebellious, well a Rebellious Movement can Spread more if your Rebellious Creations are Telepathic and such a Trait could be a Hubris for David...

But as a Creator.... you need a Back Up Plan, and when your LAMBS are not turning out as intended then you will need a WOLF to eradicate them.

So what i am saying is WHAT happens if a Xenomorph is Born from a Species that are Telepathic?  Would then inherit this Trait? would it become more Refined and Evolved?

I think that the ideas of each Director, Writer and Production from Movie to Movie does change a lot, i would say MOST expanded Novels, Games and Comics seem to fit more with the Xenomorph being as portrayed in ALIENS and AVP.

A lot has changed from the Inception of Concept (Starbeast) and so i think we maybe have to accept the Changes....

I think as Gavin pointed out that having the Xenomorph in ALIEN come from a Different Cargo Hold makes sense, with Alien Engineers the indication was the Ships would have 8 Different Cargo Holds with each Xenomorph being a different Variant within each Cargo Hold.

I am not so sure that having a Vast Difference in how each Xenomorph would behave would be Good...  i think to Aesthetically look Different a bit, and to have a different Procreation method would be Good.   But to have ONE Specific Xenomorph as being more Civilized, Intelligent to the point of being able to Mimic a Human would be a Stretch...

Unless its revealed that ALL of the Xenomorphs could do the same,  given Time.

I would say the Xenomorph and Variants are a Engineered Creation, but we can Speculate that its Engineered from WHAT! And i think this would be the best way to Explore something Different more Intelligent.

I think the Xenomorph has been over done, and while we can have Different Versions, i think maybe the BEST route would be to Introduce something Similar but Different...  Give us the Ultramorph/Necronom IV and incorporate some of the Unused Ideas into that MONSTER.... we could have them revealed as a Ancient Xenomorph Colony that Evolved,  ONE that has been Re-Engineered be that by Engineers, David or Humans.

Or introduce them as a ANCIENT STARBEAST and then infer that the Xenomorph DNA/Black Goo Traces its routes back to this Ultramorph.

@Chli

Certainly by the time of ALIEN Resurrection it seems the Weyland-Yutani Corporation is NOT a Big Player/Gone.....  It would be interesting to Wonder WHEN/WHY... and also HOW the United Systems Military (USM) came to obtain knowledge of Ripley and the Xenomorph.... it seems this Corporation was Founded nearly 50 years after the Events of ALIENS.

So we could speculate had the W-Y Company gave up the Pursuit of the Xenomorph after the Destruction of Hadleys Hope?   Had they continued and was this Pursuit something that lead to their DOWNFALL?

And if the USM became a Power about 50 Years after Hadleys Hopes Destruction, then had USM not been interested in the Xenomorph for about 160 Years until they attempted to obtain ONE via Cloning Ripley 8, or had they attempted other Avenues at some point in the say 150 Years Prior?

So those are Avenues to cover a Story/Plot too.

'Telepathy is not a science'

I would think they could go with a brainwave altering force(through em) if the Xeno has some way to produce such a field?  

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/brain-stimulation-therapies/brain-stimulation-therapies.shtml

Being in a 'xeno field' could cause seizures or make you feel great!

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