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When looking at HOW we could tackle Hybrids, if we wanted to add a bit more Alieny Aesthetic to them...  then i came across these TWO Fan Made Busts.

This one is similar to the New Born, but looks more Menacing to me...  its by Mangrasshopper

This one thats similar to what you would expect from a Neomorph/Human Hybrid by ForbiddenScrolls

This one actually looks a bit like the IDEA had in my head for a Hybrid in one of the Stories i had thought of a Few Years ago that would have been a Parallel Alien 4, the idea i had would have been like this but more of a Elongated Head, and something Body Wise would have looked like a Cross Between the Neomorph/Proto-Xenomorph, well the Failed Ripley 4/5 and Clone Xenomorph at the time i was thinking of this Idea.

It shows the scope to introduce Hybrids, and having something a little Different.

@daliens

When i saw Blomkamps Alien 5 idea... at first i thought it was a Nostalgia Trip... but then i realized it offered some interesting ideas, that would cover WHAT the Company could have done NEXT had for instance the Incident on the Auriga not happened (Failed Containment), and so we would have been shown them trying to Re-Engineer and Experiment on the Xenomorphs..  this was the Concepts a few years Prior to Carlos Huante's Red Harvest Concepts.. which some were ODD but i guess FIT well with a Radioactive Eggs Plot.

My only real Problem was that it was to Bring Back the Gang! were he Originally never had them in it, it was only after talking to Miss Weaver, he changed it to bring them back and IN-EFFECT discount Alien 3...  which Bugged Me!

Going with his IDEAS at a period between 2179-2379 and NOT having Ripley etc involved, i feel could had been interesting to FOLLOW and maybe had lead to making 1-3 Movies based off this and introduce a NEW Lead Character, well a few New Characters that could Span a Few Movies.

"As for a post Alien: Resurrection sequel, a true Alien 5, many seem to forget that Ripley 8 was not the only clone to have had a Queen Chestburster removed from her chest."

Indeed Gavin i think some may overlook that other Ripley Clone that HAD a Scar so something was REMOVED.

Indeed we have to ASK what became of this Queen?

A little over TWO years ago i had considered the same and had a idea for a ALIEN movie that would run as a Parallel Movie to Alien Resurrection.  I made a few Topics about it but ONE was HERE

3) ALIEN 4.5 ASCENSION (Working Title) a recent idea i had after someone on Scified wanted to make a new Story in the Universe, a new Alien movie i came up and pitched a idea, but they wish to reboot the Space Jockey Story.....  So i may work on my idea.....  This idea would be based on a parallel timeline with Alien Resurrection and would cover the fate of the other Queen taken from Ripley 7 that was a failed Clone and a Failed to a degree Queen but produces something New... something more Human yet Alien something like the New Born only done in a better way.

Introduces a new kind of Alien and Life Cycle.. something more fresh!

Thats from that Topic... i had covered it in more detail in other Posts and a Topic, i have to dig it up.

But it was to indeed show that the Ripley 7 Failed Xenomorph Queen was taken to a different Place with a Sample of Ripley 8's DNA after she was Born so to speak.

It would have shown the Queen to be a Hybrid that would have a Higher Amount of Human DNA and this would have some of the Aesthetic of the New Born, but would have more of a Xenomorph look about it, it would have a Tail, it would have Spines, and the HEAD would be more like this.

I would have this Queen Give Birth to LIVE Babies that would Grow Pretty Rapid wanted to have as a Cross Between these below, they would start to have more of a Human Appearance well more like say a Cross Between the Baby Neomorph and a Xenomorph, before they would grow Quickly into something thats a Cross between these TWO.

Basically a slightly less Xeno DNA  Alien R Clone Xenomorph, with a Head that has those Teeth of the Failed Ripley Clone, and actually a bit like what the Neomorph turned out like. If you imagined what a Neomorph and Davids Xenomorph Hybrid would look like.  These would go around and INFECT hosts via inner like Tongue much like how we see the Pred-Alien, but this would only Create ONE Organism that would Burst from its Host.

And would grow to something similar to THIS. But maybe not as Slender.

I even considered the First Born of the Hybrid Queen could maybe infect a Female a Different way (Sexually) so that she would Gestate a Hybrid like BELOW if you crossed both of these, well the Failed Clone with Larger Arms/Legs.

So yeah there was ways to introduce something different from the PLOT Question of WHAT happened to that Queen taken from Ripley Clone 7.  This was a Story that i had got to about a 6 Page Broad Synopsis and Plot Points but never Ending up expanding upon it.

oh Sorry for going OFF-TOPIC guys.

But indeed Gavin, just as you noticed and raised, the Clone 7 Queen could have been a Avenue for another Movie.

If that concept work is from Blomkamp's Alien 5, I am glad that film was not done, it reminds me of Avatar / The Predator.

The mutations caused by radiations belongs to Godzilla. A nonsense.

Blomkamp should stay away from Alien and from the eggs.

The eggs are there, of course, waiting for Mother.

I think its interesting to consider the Radioactive Plot, as long as we dont get any Toxic Avenger Fifield's ;)

While these Mutations could be from Genetic Engineering, via attempting to Alter the DNA of the Xenomorph, i found some of them to be ODD and NOT really a Ideal Mutation if you wanted to Engineer some Xenomorphs to Improve them... it appeared some were like FAILED Experiments.

So using the Plot that these came about due to the Radioactive Fallout on LV-426 after the Destruction of Hadleys Hope could WORK, and since this PLOT was raised, i think it looks Plausible as for what Blomkamp may have intended. Well Certainly from the Red Harvest Project and concept work.

The Derelict well the Ship in Blomkamps Concept work does appear to be in Quite a State!  It looks as though parts of the Ship are Melting/Burnt, like how Flesh can be when Burnt.   We saw the Derelict seemed PART-ORGANIC and so thats Feasible i assume.  If this is THEREFOR the Derelict, it had Eggs and so its NOT a Mutation from the Black Goo and we would assume the Engineers Ships would have Safeguards from being infected by a Contamination/Leak of that Substance.

So looking at the Melted Look of the Ship, we could consider it as a effect of Radiation on its Organic Component of its Bio-Mechanical Construction.

And so indeed i think such a Plot is Highly Plausible.

From the concept art released for Neill Blomkamp's Alien: Awakening, I always assumed that the derelict Juggernaut depicted was still on LV-426 and that the installation seen was built around the vessel. Narratively I always assumed Blomkamp's movie would be set sometime after the nuclear fallout had passed on the moon and that WY, much like in Aliens: Colonial Marines, had built a research facility there to study the Xenomorph.

Later concept art releases also led me to believe that as I had postulated Blomkamp wanted to explore the possibility of mutated Xenomorph's.

Although many would say this avenue has already been explored with Alien: Resurrection, in said movie the mutations seen in the Queen and the Newborn where as a result of genetic contamination. I believe Blomkamp wanted to explore the possibilities available from having the Xenomorph being contaminated by radiation - following the initial blast the radiation could have made the Xenomorphs unstable like the boiler variant in Aliens: Colonial Marines, but maybe over time the radiation caused unexpected mutations such as extra limbs, thicker armor, or changes to the creatures propagation.

As for a post Alien: Resurrection sequel, a true Alien 5, many seem to forget that Ripley 8 was not the only clone to have had a Queen Chestburster removed from her chest. Clone 7, which Ripley 8 burnt to death, also had the same scar on her chest suggesting that the Queen inside was also removed. Because Clone 7 had more Xenomorph DNA I have always upheld that the Queen that gives birth to the Newborn was taken from Clone 7 and that the Queen taken from Ripley 8 was taken by a team more superior than that of the Auriga. Because of the Aurigas incompetence, I believe they were used as a test so that a second attempt to farm Xenomorphs, with a more viable Queen (that from Ripley 8) could be executed learning from the mistakes made by the Aurigas crew.

Over 92k reads for this article in 3 days, that shows the interest for the Alien franchise!

Thats the Ridley Scott/Prequels and Cameron Sequel ideas given my Two Cents.

Back to the OT as far as something NEW a different Direction and Director, with a NEW Story.

There are many ways this could be Covered, and the Prequels have opened up a MUCH larger avenue to explore. I will say that any NEW ALIEN movie would be expected to have some connections to ALIEN as far as the Aesthetic/DNA of the Xenomorph but it does-not have to be about the Traditional Xenomorph, you can change it a little but i think you would have to keep it quite close... because certain Fans would expect more of a Connection Genetically so to speak.

There kind of are some UNUSED to a degree Avenues that the ALIEN early Draft had that was not really used, which relates to a ALIEN Organism with the same/similar Life-Cycle that was Intelligent and had its own Civilization of Sorts, that some Giant Race had stumbled upon their remains of their Spore Stage and attempted to take them to their Ship for Study.

Likewise Alien Engineers (Prometheus early draft) had expanded on this, but having a NOT so intelligent Organism being Discovered and Re-Engineered by the Engineers.

The indication being these Engineers had created 8 Variations of the Xenomorph, which would be stored in 8 different Cargo Holds.

THIS.... Plot reveal could be used to explain the 1979 Big Chap and Egg Morph vs the 1986 Queen Egg Layer and different Warriors.

If these are just TWO of those Variants and TWO alternative Procreation Routes... then why cant we see other VARIANTS and different Procreation Methods where those working on Concepts could get a bit Imaginative!

As long as it has a Unique Life-Cycle that is Parasitic and Horrific and the Organisms do-not stray to far from the Xenomorph DNA... then WHY NOT!

New Monster, New Story and New Director!

I think we certainly could do with some New Blood.

But the Franchise is so Fractured as far as Fanbase and how the Movies have been after Alien 3.

Ridley Scott should have been allowed to had TOLD his prequels, and i find some of the ideas VERY interesting, and its  a SHAME that we had to see those ideas Forced to becoming a Literal Prequel and have to Force the Xenomorph back.

In Hindsight this could have been avoided had Prometheus offered more clues and more Xenomorph like Action Scenes, which could have allowed the Door to Alien to be Shut and allowed a Prometheus 2 to continue with something Else.

Alternatively they could have offered more clues in a Prometheus 2 that would have indicated the Xenomorph as Ancient and shown David Creates something NEW but similar but showing Processes that are indicated to HOW the Engineers had achieved the Xenomorph. 

A Problem with any Prometheus 2 even if it gave us Xenomorphs or Clues or NOT would be having only a Humanoid Robot, a Human Scientist of Faith and some Engineers would be hard to Engage Fans as you would need more Humans and its HOW do you introduce those!

Hence the Necessity to bring things closer to Home (but you never needed to do that, i had ideas how to do this as surely Earth is not the only place with Humans Thousands of years ago).

So with the Prequels, the route they have taken and as a Alien: Prequel they are expected to connect to LV-426 and have Xenomorphs, so some of RS ideas would NOW be a Distraction.  They have to find a Balance but trying to Cater for many Elements can mean NONE are done justice which is kind of a Problem with Alien Covenant.

Then we come to the NOSTALGIA were some Fans have Lamented over not having any Real ALIENS like Movie, and you have to admit the Introduction of Queen has become a Iconic Part of the Franchise from a Merchandise, Comic, and Video Game Stand Point... Cameron's Queen and Xenomorphs do make up the HIGHER % of appearances in all Media Forms/Games.

I think most Fans would not see any problems with Alien or Aliens, i think Alien 3 had a mixed bag of opinions over it, and since then NO movie has really WOWED the Majority.

You have some Fans who Felt that KILLING off the Gang in Alien 3 was just plain WRONG... and to a degree in Hindsight i would say YES.. because there was potential for them to go another 1-2 Movies and then Pass the Torch to NEWT.

And Blomkamps Alien 5 idea appeared to be offering the same, we need to remember Originally his ideas NEVER had Ripley, but after talking to Miss Weaver on Set of one of his Movies, he warmed to the idea of BRINGING BACK THE DEAD (i mean Gang) lol  Which could just be a case of catering to NOSTALGIA now i dont like the idea because of how it would RET-CON some of the Franchise and i FEAR once you go that route its a case of WHERE does Disney STOP?

But on the base of it... this Nostalgia Road Trip, by bringing back Cameron too... i feel would ACTUALLY have more potential to make Disney $$$$ even if the Movie is NOT great or Original, i think it would attract a lot of interest and $$$$

Personally any such PLOT should be used either as a sequel to ALIENS/ALIEN 3 that has NO Ripley or Co.. or used as a Continuation to ALIEN Resurrection.   This means NO bringing back Hicks or Newt... but whats done is done.

A Engineer from the 60's...  cloning people into Androids..

From Star Trek: What Little Girls are Made of.

I think thats a Great Idea to look at the Possibilities of what Radioactive Fallout could do to those Xenomorph Eggs, and so when looking at those Carlos Huante Concepts for Alien: Red Harvest which is based of Blomkamps ideas, then WHO KNOWS if they (Blomkamp and Co) had been thinking along the same lines of Recovering the Derelict after the Hadleys Hope Destruction and having Contaminated Cargo of Radioactive Eggs.

Certainly Radioactive Fallout can cause a whole manner of Mutations in the Real World and so in Sci-Fi we have freedom to Exaggerate those to the more Extreme.

Regarding what W-Y had known from Davids Advent Message i think its obvious that this Message would have Set-Up the Events that would have lead to what is known that leads to Special Order-937

Special Order-937 is interesting because it could open up the possibility of a prior mission to LV-426 prior to the Nostromo... but more likely that the Company go to Planet 4, LV-223 and Origae-6 at some point prior to Special Order-937 and a result of what they discover and what happens to any specimens, leads them to conclude at the time of 2122 that LV-426 has the only remains of the Organism to Obtain or the Perfected Form while other Avenues are NOT worth the companies time.

I think in context to the OT, and looking at the Theory of Contaminated Eggs, then i think indeed a Blomkamps Alien 5 could work if its set in the years after 2179.

I just dont think this idea as far as needing to bring back Ripley and Co, and in effect remove Alien 3 from Canon is Necessary.

Blomkamp's/Huante's Mutated Xenomorphs could be used in a Literal Alien 5, a sequel to Alien Resurrection where the Company or someone tries to extract from Ripley 8's DNA the Xenomorph and along the way what we see are many Mutations before they Manage to Obtain a 100% Specimen.

I am glad Harvest made it to the Alien Day.

Looks like the rest will be:

4/12 Night Shift

4/19 Ore

4/26 Harvest and Alone

She would have needed a bigger shovel, I suppose.

@NTFS,

I'd imagine something like this...

RIP Spike!

Yes another director can take over and continue the franchise after Alien Awakening.

Imagine, what would had happened, if it would have been a real dog.

I would welcome the usual top names floated like Alex Garland (Annihilation) or Danny Boyle (Sunshine). Undecided on Blomkamp. I like his stylistic films but dont like his alien 3 AR retcon idea. Surely he can come up with something original.

Agree with Daliens that Ridley Scott should be allowed to at least complete his trilogy.  

Many interesting comments here (as usual).

I wonder how many within WY who had access to the data that David sent them from USCSS Covenant? Would Muthur be the one who first received it? LV-426 would perhaps be the easiest way to acquire a xenomorph since there was a commercial route between Earth and Thedus (passing by LV-426)?

Interesting thought with mutated xenomorphs (unless they are protected by “the layer of mist”). The Derelict buried under cooled down lava, gravel and dust would be a possibility. Perhaps a very high level of radioactivity hindered an expedition to LV-426?

Billy Corgan is more like the engineers from planet 4 (the "originals" according to Ridley Scott). So under these circumstances, yes, he can be a original engineer 

I respectfully disagree.

Ridley Scott should be given the chance to conclude the prequels.

And without Ridley Scott what we would be discussing now and on what forum?

Look at the Predator and what it had become with the new blood.

Haha! nice one Daliens. The original jonesy yes!

Alien covenant 2

David status: dead. An experiment went wrong and One alien destroyed the android beyond recognition

Crew of covenant: all dead. Some eggmorphed, some Gave birth to aliens and a... queen.

Colonial marines army ship, weyland yutani company perfect organism capture ship and an engineer ship, all These space ships arrive to origae 6. The war begins between humans, engineers and aliens. In the end, a Predator Kills an engineer:whow.

Ps: forget the George Lucas trilogy kind.  You need to go back to the basics: a beast, evil by nature, born to kill everything, that knows and comunicates with other species using death and inflicting fear, pain and suffering. A perfect killing machine of males, females, Young, old and sick individuals, it doesn't matter. 

Alien=plague

UH ah Ridley Scott. Gave to the people what people want.

 William kind of lacks the voice to be the original engineer.

Cool post!

Here is Johan Edlund of Tiamat (is that the original Jonesy?):

The embedded video of the first short disappeared somehow, but you can still find it on IGN.

So William is no longer intoxicated with the madness and not in love with his sadness? Awe.......he is still Zero to me.

nice one! 

Satch has been 'surfing with the Aliens' since '87! 

Don't forget, you have to call him William Corgan now lol. 

LOL! This will be fun!

Billy Corgan

Satch

thanks DK! Wow, what a surprise.

Im not going to lie, Im more than a little excited right now. 

Progress for the Alien Franchise!!

I like how you brought up Aliens: Colonial Marines, Gavin, and the contamination of the Derelict's Egg cargo following the nuclear fallout of Hadley's Hope.

Remember too, concept art for Blomkamp's Alien 5 did depict a number of deformed and mutated Xenomorph specimens... this does make you wonder if this is the angle Neill wanted to explore.

I have a feeling this might be the case, especially when echoed with the image Gavin shared of the mutated Xenomorphs from Aliens: CM.

Everyone has brought up some really good points so far!

I Raptus Basically IGN has 6 shorts coming before 4/26. The first two are on this thread and I will link new ones here as I see them unless someone beats me to it.

Apologies if already discussed (ive been in exile and missed all this lol) but when are these being released and where?! The trailer looks unreal!

Awesome- I can only embed if I make an OP it seems.

BTW- I watched this on a big screen TV and it looks GREAT!

Can someone please just Dane Hallett the keys to the Creative Design for all future Alien works. His work is deadset mint!

dk, I hope you don't mind me embedding the video here, too.

@Gavin

Nice Summary, and indeed highlights the likelihood that LV-426 Yielded No-More Xenomorphs.

Theory about a Higher Power is interesting, but another thing we could OVERLOOK would be Conspiracy and Cover-Up, so we cant rule out the Company Obtained the Xenomorph but then they had Classified what happened, and USM are Fed One History about the Organism...

And so the Rest was Covered Up!

This brings us to other avenues too, as indeed LV-223, Planet 4 and maybe Origae-6 could be Sources of the Xenomorph or Biology/Tools required to Create Similar, and so these do raise Questions Regarding WHY go to LV-426 in the Year 2179 to Obtain a Specimen...

So at some-point we can ASSUME that in 2179 there are No other Avenues but the Derelict...  as the other Avenues surely could be exploited to Engineer a Similar Specimen. 

But again a Conspiracy/Cover-Up could be used to explain this..

Regarding the AI/MUTHUR...  i would not be surprised if this was the Eventual Route that Ridley Scott was going to explain, and that Mankind is unaware it is being RAN by the very AI it had created.

This certainly was the Concept i was going for when working on my Prometheus 2... with Project Rook and so Weylands AI Soul was running the Show.

But then Alien Covenant and a reveal the Xenomorph was a creation by David, then IF the World is Ran behind the Scenes by a AI, that would give a Good Reason for them wishing to obtain the Creation by one of their VERY own (David) who could be seen by his Rebellious Actions to NOT want to Serve, as some Figure to Worship.  

A Martin Luther King of the AI world.

"the egg silo should still be intact underground but possibly dosed with radiation"

I think regarding the effects of the blast its all speculative, it was hard to Gauge the Yield, but it Certainly looked like it was NOT large enough to Enclose a Area of more than 100 Miles as far as the Blast... but then a Shock Wave could extend far beyond that.    We can speculate the Yield and could come up with 1MT, 5MT, 25MT, 50MT but its hard from the Movie to get a exact Yield.

We can Speculate on the Distance to the Derelict, looking at the Terrain and the Speed of the Vehicle it looked unlikely it would travel more than 30-40MPH across that Surface but we dont know the Maximum Speed and we dont know if the Terrain between Hadleys Hope and the Derelict had a large distance that was not as Hostile to Traverse. 

So its Speculative to consider the likelihood of the Derelict Surviving, it cant be ruled out thats for Certain. I think what we have to look at would be WHY would they bother to go after Ripley?

However as i mentioned earlier, if we look at it from their POV then if they KNOW that Ripley is carrying a Xenomorph, then its a more safer bet to go and obtain the Specimen from her... STUDY it, assess the Risk Potential and then Weigh Up the Pros/Cons of going back to LV-426 to see if the Derelict is intact.   If they managed to obtain the Xenomorph and it was a Queen they would not need to go back to LV-426.

So failing to obtain the Specimen due to Ripleys Sacrifice, would mean its likely the Company would investigate the area on LV-426 and assess if anything is Salvageable.

Which opens up a Potential Plot to be explored which reveals that the Derelict was NOT Destroyed..  But i think any such Avenue would have to END with them loosing the Derelict and Specimens at some point prior to ALIEN Resurrection.. else there would be little point in WHY they would need to Clone Ripley.

Regarding the Underground Cave/Silo this is a debate thats been covered over and over, one that Ridley Scott had answered over and over.. But UNTIL we see the Derelict Event or something that conclusively shows us the Egg Cargo is NOT part of the Derelict then its a subject for debate that we would not have NO clear Answer for..   because while RS can say one thing,  The Size of the Cargo Hold does not match the Size of the Derelict... 

But this is likely just a Oversight...

I find it hard to see HOW it can be part of the Ship, but in part i have had to accept thats what it maybe is until its proved otherwise...   However it would be interesting for them to come up with a reason WHY it looks to Large. But its if we ever will get one.

Sorry if thats taking it a bit off Topic...

Regarding the OT... i would say that we cant rule out the Derelict Survived... but if they follow up on that, we have to assume the Derelict and Cargo and any Specimens gained are LOST by the time we get to Alien Resurrection.

EDIT:

Regarding any potential Burial of the Derelict, again we can only Speculate on the Distance away and the Blast Size/Yield, but when looking for a reason WHY the Company dont seem to go to LV-426 instead of Fiorina 161 apart from what i discussed earlier (it would be easier to contain a Specimen from Ripley)  then regarding IF they would then go to LV-426 after and looking at HOW there could be Nothing...

The best explanation i could give would be the Blast had Triggered some Volcanic Activity which covered/buried the Derelict.

I think Blomkamps Plot was set 20 years after Aliens, so its a Question of HOW MANY years had they recovered the Derelict for before Ripely and Co got involved?  So with Blomkamps Plot, if we ASSUME the Ship they have is the Derelict then it would be more likely that it was Buried somehow and i think a Volcanic Event could be the Best Plot Device to explain that.

Ongoing thread here:

http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/48600

Specimen is pretty awesome!