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Billy Corgan is more like the engineers from planet 4 (the "originals" according to Ridley Scott). So under these circumstances, yes, he can be a original engineer 

I respectfully disagree.

Ridley Scott should be given the chance to conclude the prequels.

And without Ridley Scott what we would be discussing now and on what forum?

Look at the Predator and what it had become with the new blood.

Haha! nice one Daliens. The original jonesy yes!

Alien covenant 2

David status: dead. An experiment went wrong and One alien destroyed the android beyond recognition

Crew of covenant: all dead. Some eggmorphed, some Gave birth to aliens and a... queen.

Colonial marines army ship, weyland yutani company perfect organism capture ship and an engineer ship, all These space ships arrive to origae 6. The war begins between humans, engineers and aliens. In the end, a Predator Kills an engineer:whow.

Ps: forget the George Lucas trilogy kind.  You need to go back to the basics: a beast, evil by nature, born to kill everything, that knows and comunicates with other species using death and inflicting fear, pain and suffering. A perfect killing machine of males, females, Young, old and sick individuals, it doesn't matter. 

Alien=plague

UH ah Ridley Scott. Gave to the people what people want.

 William kind of lacks the voice to be the original engineer.

Cool post!

Here is Johan Edlund of Tiamat (is that the original Jonesy?):

The embedded video of the first short disappeared somehow, but you can still find it on IGN.

So William is no longer intoxicated with the madness and not in love with his sadness? Awe.......he is still Zero to me.

nice one! 

Satch has been 'surfing with the Aliens' since '87! 

Don't forget, you have to call him William Corgan now lol. 

LOL! This will be fun!

Billy Corgan

Satch

thanks DK! Wow, what a surprise.

Im not going to lie, Im more than a little excited right now. 

Progress for the Alien Franchise!!

I like how you brought up Aliens: Colonial Marines, Gavin, and the contamination of the Derelict's Egg cargo following the nuclear fallout of Hadley's Hope.

Remember too, concept art for Blomkamp's Alien 5 did depict a number of deformed and mutated Xenomorph specimens... this does make you wonder if this is the angle Neill wanted to explore.

I have a feeling this might be the case, especially when echoed with the image Gavin shared of the mutated Xenomorphs from Aliens: CM.

Everyone has brought up some really good points so far!

I Raptus Basically IGN has 6 shorts coming before 4/26. The first two are on this thread and I will link new ones here as I see them unless someone beats me to it.

Apologies if already discussed (ive been in exile and missed all this lol) but when are these being released and where?! The trailer looks unreal!

Awesome- I can only embed if I make an OP it seems.

BTW- I watched this on a big screen TV and it looks GREAT!

Can someone please just Dane Hallett the keys to the Creative Design for all future Alien works. His work is deadset mint!

dk, I hope you don't mind me embedding the video here, too.

@Gavin

Nice Summary, and indeed highlights the likelihood that LV-426 Yielded No-More Xenomorphs.

Theory about a Higher Power is interesting, but another thing we could OVERLOOK would be Conspiracy and Cover-Up, so we cant rule out the Company Obtained the Xenomorph but then they had Classified what happened, and USM are Fed One History about the Organism...

And so the Rest was Covered Up!

This brings us to other avenues too, as indeed LV-223, Planet 4 and maybe Origae-6 could be Sources of the Xenomorph or Biology/Tools required to Create Similar, and so these do raise Questions Regarding WHY go to LV-426 in the Year 2179 to Obtain a Specimen...

So at some-point we can ASSUME that in 2179 there are No other Avenues but the Derelict...  as the other Avenues surely could be exploited to Engineer a Similar Specimen. 

But again a Conspiracy/Cover-Up could be used to explain this..

Regarding the AI/MUTHUR...  i would not be surprised if this was the Eventual Route that Ridley Scott was going to explain, and that Mankind is unaware it is being RAN by the very AI it had created.

This certainly was the Concept i was going for when working on my Prometheus 2... with Project Rook and so Weylands AI Soul was running the Show.

But then Alien Covenant and a reveal the Xenomorph was a creation by David, then IF the World is Ran behind the Scenes by a AI, that would give a Good Reason for them wishing to obtain the Creation by one of their VERY own (David) who could be seen by his Rebellious Actions to NOT want to Serve, as some Figure to Worship.  

A Martin Luther King of the AI world.

"the egg silo should still be intact underground but possibly dosed with radiation"

I think regarding the effects of the blast its all speculative, it was hard to Gauge the Yield, but it Certainly looked like it was NOT large enough to Enclose a Area of more than 100 Miles as far as the Blast... but then a Shock Wave could extend far beyond that.    We can speculate the Yield and could come up with 1MT, 5MT, 25MT, 50MT but its hard from the Movie to get a exact Yield.

We can Speculate on the Distance to the Derelict, looking at the Terrain and the Speed of the Vehicle it looked unlikely it would travel more than 30-40MPH across that Surface but we dont know the Maximum Speed and we dont know if the Terrain between Hadleys Hope and the Derelict had a large distance that was not as Hostile to Traverse. 

So its Speculative to consider the likelihood of the Derelict Surviving, it cant be ruled out thats for Certain. I think what we have to look at would be WHY would they bother to go after Ripley?

However as i mentioned earlier, if we look at it from their POV then if they KNOW that Ripley is carrying a Xenomorph, then its a more safer bet to go and obtain the Specimen from her... STUDY it, assess the Risk Potential and then Weigh Up the Pros/Cons of going back to LV-426 to see if the Derelict is intact.   If they managed to obtain the Xenomorph and it was a Queen they would not need to go back to LV-426.

So failing to obtain the Specimen due to Ripleys Sacrifice, would mean its likely the Company would investigate the area on LV-426 and assess if anything is Salvageable.

Which opens up a Potential Plot to be explored which reveals that the Derelict was NOT Destroyed..  But i think any such Avenue would have to END with them loosing the Derelict and Specimens at some point prior to ALIEN Resurrection.. else there would be little point in WHY they would need to Clone Ripley.

Regarding the Underground Cave/Silo this is a debate thats been covered over and over, one that Ridley Scott had answered over and over.. But UNTIL we see the Derelict Event or something that conclusively shows us the Egg Cargo is NOT part of the Derelict then its a subject for debate that we would not have NO clear Answer for..   because while RS can say one thing,  The Size of the Cargo Hold does not match the Size of the Derelict... 

But this is likely just a Oversight...

I find it hard to see HOW it can be part of the Ship, but in part i have had to accept thats what it maybe is until its proved otherwise...   However it would be interesting for them to come up with a reason WHY it looks to Large. But its if we ever will get one.

Sorry if thats taking it a bit off Topic...

Regarding the OT... i would say that we cant rule out the Derelict Survived... but if they follow up on that, we have to assume the Derelict and Cargo and any Specimens gained are LOST by the time we get to Alien Resurrection.

EDIT:

Regarding any potential Burial of the Derelict, again we can only Speculate on the Distance away and the Blast Size/Yield, but when looking for a reason WHY the Company dont seem to go to LV-426 instead of Fiorina 161 apart from what i discussed earlier (it would be easier to contain a Specimen from Ripley)  then regarding IF they would then go to LV-426 after and looking at HOW there could be Nothing...

The best explanation i could give would be the Blast had Triggered some Volcanic Activity which covered/buried the Derelict.

I think Blomkamps Plot was set 20 years after Aliens, so its a Question of HOW MANY years had they recovered the Derelict for before Ripely and Co got involved?  So with Blomkamps Plot, if we ASSUME the Ship they have is the Derelict then it would be more likely that it was Buried somehow and i think a Volcanic Event could be the Best Plot Device to explain that.

Ongoing thread here:

http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/48600

Specimen is pretty awesome!

^This needs to be cited next time someone slags on Resurrection not being important.

Regarding Alien 3 I think many of us overlook one aspect of the movie. Let me explain...

When Andrews first contacts the network he is told that a company ship will arrive in one week, yet after Ripley scans herself in the remains of the EEV the company contacts Fiorina 161 (communique received by Aaron) informing the company ship will arrive mere hours later. because the events in Alien 3 don't span an entire week this suggests that the company vessel, the Patna, was rerouted from its mission to Fiorina 161 once the company knew that Ripley had a Queen gestating within her. I believe that the Patna's original mission was to investigate LV-426 to see if the derelict had survived the explosion of Hadley's Hopes atmosphere processor and that it likely continued with this mission after shutting down the penal colony at Fiorina 161.

However 200 years later the USM Auriga uses blood samples taken from Ripley while she was at Fiorina 161 to resurrect her and the Queen Alien within her chest, with it being clarified that the USM believed that Ripley had "for all intents and purposes" wiped out the Xenomorph race, or more accurately destroyed all specimens they knew off; presumably the eggs on LV-426 and the Queen she had within her.

Of course the USM, and before them the company could have been wrong, as I like to believe that there are more caches of eggs out there on many other worlds, possibly many, many more. But to work within the canon of what we know. From what was said by General Perez we can assume one of two possibilities...

#1 - The eggs on LV-426 were indeed destroyed by the thermonuclear explosion of the atmosphere processor, or

#2 - Any eggs that survived the explosion were irrecoverably contaminated and not suitable for the companies designs, and were subsequently destroyed.

The second possibility could be explored in a future installment, possibly readapting the idea of the Boiler Aliens from Aliens: Colonial Marines.

But in relation to this topic, unless my belief is right about multiple caches of eggs, all known sources of the Xenomorph were destroyed. But this does not spell doom for the franchise, as the prequels have revealed more source for the Alien - namely LV-223, Planet 4, and possibly Origae 6. This would mean that unless classed alongside the known sources, the three new sources of xenomorph specimens the prequels have introduced may not have been known to the company and/or the USM.

Another possibility, however, could be that part of why the company was sold by the time of Alien Resurrection's setting of 200 years later is because their desire to acquire the Alien attracted unwanted attention. It is possible that Weyland-Yutani was sacrificed, but that the real people behind the company continued their designs under a new cover. As such WY's only dealings with the Alien would have been those mentioned in Alien: Resurrection, any other dealings such as those not yet seen and those seen in the prequels would have been utilized by whatever cover the "powers that be" behind WY chose to wear.

A further possibility is that WY was just a pawn used by "a higher power" to acquire the Alien, and after its repeated failures (Alien, Aliens, Alien3) the company was disbanded by said "higher power", only to later be reacquired by the USNM Auriga who interpreted WY's dealings with the Alien as exclusive. Maybe the Auriga was unaware that the "higher power" used WY, before seeking other avenues to acquire the Alien specimen, avenues we have not yet seen. As to the identity of this higher power, it would require a small retcon, but in short it is this - what if Muthur is the network, an AI network originally designed to manage deep space navigation and communication that has since become sentient, self-aware and plans to use the Aliens biomechanical makeup to become more than just network controller.

I think this way better than Containment! Nice little surprise in there too!

Thanks for the update.

Is it good?

I will only be able to watch all of them in June.

Concerning atomic bombs, in Hiroshima and Nagasaki “the blast totally destroyed everything within a radius of 1 mile from the centre of the explosion, except for certain reinforced concrete frames”. “Nearly everything was heavily damaged up to a radius of 3 miles from the blast, and beyond this distance damage, although comparatively light, extended for several more miles. Glass was broken up to 12 miles.”

The atmosphere processor might, of course, be more powerful, like a hydrogen bomb perhaps (or many), but it would have to be a hell of a blast if it destroys a juggernaut or solid rock (if the eggs are down in a cave) 50-150 miles away.

So i think we could Speculate the Derelict was located about50-150 Miles away.

That sounds about right. Even if the Derelict was damaged or destroyed, the egg silo should still be intact underground but possibly dosed with radiation.

#2 of 6: Specimen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKl-fU3WC7s

This one seems better than the first!

I think its interesting to ponder...... the Juggernaught did indeed survive a High Impact Blast, but the aftermath of this Impact was to me not a HUGE Atomic Explosion not to the Level that Hadleys Hope had seen.

This would be used to explain WHY the company only pursues Ripley for the Xenomorph and then Clone her 200 years latter, which at the time must indicate there are NO other sources for the Xenomorph.

We dont know how FAR the Derelict was from Hadleys Hope, i cant see the JORDON's taking their kinds and traveling for Hours in the Vehicle they used.  I am going to ASSUME the Vehicle had a Maximum Speed of about 80MPH and it would have traveled at about 40-80MPH Speeds and will ASSUME they traveled at Least a Hour but No-More than 2 Hours.

So i think we could Speculate the Derelict was located about 50-150 Miles away.

Looking at the kind of Blast we saw in ALIENS and how the Engineer Ships can take a lot of Damage, then its possible that the Derelict could be Salvaged.

Certainly Aliens Colonial Marines indicated this.

And it looks likely that Blomkamps Alien 5 would have gone the same route, that the Derelict was Salvaged.

Going by Colonial Marines or Blomkamps Idea, then the Derelict could have remained intact or at least buried but NOT to much.

Alien 3 stills leaves this open, because Ripley would be the easier route than going to LV-426 and maybe having to locate where we can assume the Derelict has been Buried.

Alien Resurrection Causes a Problem, as to WHY the Company Never went back to LV-426... but then look at what the Prequels have opened up and WHY they never went to Planet 4, Origae-6 or LV-223 again!

So this means we could explore the Derelict again after ALIEN 3 as long as at some point after Alien 3 and prior to Alien Resurrection the Derelict and ALL avenues to the Xenomorph are a BUST (Destroyed).

"An Engineers ship comes into view its crew of four are en-route to a paradise world they have been cultivating for nearly a millennium."

Again i think it was just the wrong choice of wording, i do this at times too..  i am sure you meant Millennia which implies Thousands of Years.  Which you pointed out in your last reply.

Its a bit open for debate about Planet 4 and its Inhabitants this is by Virtue of Alien Covenant never Indicated this was the Engineers Home-World.  OR that those Engineers are related to those on LV-223 (well there was no direct explanation for the differences).

So these leaves such things open to debate and they could be subject to Change as far as Canon.  Because we never got any 100% Spoon Fed Answers....  Such as Prometheus never Gave any Direct Ones for the Xenomorph Origins... which allowed for a change of direction.

Ive just realized in context you are on about these Engineers arrive at Oriage-6 and not Planet 4, so the above Reply is kind of MUTE!

I think the difference between the Engineers is something interesting to explore,  Ridley Scott had mentioned that the Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals and lived for about 150 Years..  Some speculate instead those Planet 4 Engineers are Hybrids and the Movie does-not suggest to us that these beings are OLDER than our Prometheus Engineers, in spite of Ridley Scotts comments.

Sorry this is Off-Topic a little... but it seems to indeed suggest those Engineers on Planet 4 may have Originated from that place, but they certainly over VAST amounts of Time been visiting and seeding many many worlds.

Exploring that Origae-6 was a World that had LONG LONG ago at some kind of Culture/Civilization could be interesting, i personally feel making another World in the Prequels connected to the Engineers a bit too much of a Coincidence however.  Thats just my opinion however... so does-not rule out the idea that Origae-6 had a long gone Civilization and to be fair, such a Plot does open up possibilities.

Certainly as far as the Covenant Crew thinking they would be arriving at a Virgin World... only to find it has remains of a Long Gone Civilization....    Or even if the Crew/Colonist NEVER get to set foot on Origae-6 because of David and instead he chooses to Raise/Engineer the Human Embryos then having some Ancient Infrastructure could be beneficial to David especially if he would want to indicate to the beings he raises/rules over some FALSE History.

Although thats a little off Topic to the Plot of your Alien Morpheus.

ah IG i see what you mean now..when i use the term millennia i was just looking for a quick word to sum up that it had been a 'very long long time' im sure given more time on the story and as it evolves, an accurate time scale can be added.. 

big thanks to everyone who took time to check out my band pages too. really really appreciated. 

i have done some more dialogue for the story and added some parts to this i think you'll guys will like. ill share the p[age changes later tonight that will have some more extended of the story that now includes some dialogue..

really appreciated all the support and feedback!

Thanks again AC forum members!

I actually thought about this immediately afte I saw Alien3 in theaters. The company wanted the alien in Ripley, and sent a crew of soldiers and scientists to get it. She took t to her death with her.

SO I started writing a screenplay to continue from that point, with the suits who initially dismissed her and her case (except Burke who had sent colonists to check it out) now gathered around a boardroom table, playing back her deposition.

"Kane, the crewmember who went into that ship. Kane said he saw thousands of eggs down there. Thousands."

They pause it and look around the room, discuss the viability and determine to send that group of soldiers and scientists who failed to get the specimen from Ripley back to LV-426 to find the derelict. the scene would end with the camera slowly zooming into the paused image of Ripley before fading into the black of space with another Sulaco-type ship coming in towards LV-426.

The movie would then proceed from there with the end result being that at least on of the scientists or soldiers getting "infected" with no one realizing it or discovering it until they had reached Gateway Station and Earth, where it/they are born.

Interesting topic.

First off - we know a nuclear blast would not be enough to damage the Derelict / Juggernaut ship the eggs reside inside thanks to Prometheus. So, I would assume if they were not disturbed, that the explosion of Hadley's Hope would not do anything to the eggs.

However, some time had passed since the initial discovery of the Alien cargo on LV-426 prior to the USCM being sent in. Newt's father may have birthed the original Queen - which then grew up and created her own lineage of Alien eggs to take over Hadley's Hope by the time Ripley and crew arrived. But - Weyland-Yutanui was aware of the crashed Derelict and had instructed Hadley's Hope to investigate.

I would assume some of the eggs remain, but that Weyland-Yutani likely had a backup operation in the works - one that would involve a detachment of specialists to investigate the Derelict and study its cargo - likely extracting some of the eggs for further study off world, while they let Hadley's Hope get overrun by the Xenomorph breakout. I can totally see them treating Hadley's Hope as a somewhat "trial" to help gauge the spread and impact a Xenomorph hive can have on a Human population.

I'm unaware if any of the expanded literature addresses this question or not.

Diesektor nice job, brother! Love your tracks and your site looks mint! 

@Diesektor you said:

"An Engineers ship comes into view its crew of four are en-route to a paradise world they have been cultivating for nearly a millennium."

this could mean that the planet was seeded 1000 years ago or that specific crew was doing this for 1000 years. The last one surely implies that the engineers live far more than that.

BigDave I had forgotten about the topic recognizing Diezektor. It is tough to find their stuff on YouTube.

I took this draft as a work in progress and ignored spelling/grammar errors or perceived gaps in the plot. Of course some will take a humorous approach in response since that is the interweb 101. Hopefully the author understands the Forum is pretty good natured and creativity is supported. At least that has been my observation and experience.

I think it would be interesting.... certainly are a lot of shared themes between the Prequels and Blade Runner and ideas RS had for sequels.

A TV Series could go the Philosophical Route..  Scenes we had were David and Weyland were together are interesting from his Hologram Message on the Prometheus where he proclaimed David was the like a Son but lacked a Soul.

To the Alien Covenant Prologue.

A Majority of my Prometheus 2 idea i abandoned years ago was not about where David and Shaw are, or Xenomorphs but about the After-math of the Company in the Months after Prometheus had lost contact.

It dealt with Deception, Betrayal, Greed and about the Yutani Company.. it was also very Philosophical and AI Heavy, it had some Flash Backs of David and Weyland where i had a Philosophical Scene not to unlike the one in Alien Covenant, where David and Weyland were playing CHESS..

I DONT want to babel on too much, but the idea i had was to reveal there was a AGENDA to the Advancements that Weyland had made, both in Medical and Technology especially AI and Synthetics.

Where it was NOT to benefit Mankind but to attempt to offer him ways of Extending his LIFE and also make him MONEY so he can further this Agenda.

Where his Master Plan was Project Rook... Create a AI that you could upload a Human Soul to, and then Transfer this Human Soul/AI into a Synthetic Body....  GRANTING Weyland IMMORTALITY

But alas the AI could not control and handle complex Human Emotions and would go well CRAZY!

I worked on this in 2013/2014....  

I should have Finished it off... but something like it would have been better suited to a TV Series as i doubt my ideas would have fitted in less than 2.5-3 hours lol

I was working on Part 3 of Prometheus too which would revolve around where Dr Shaw and David would go, but this was complex as i had so many ideas i could not settle on a Entire way to cover that element... 

But the Prometheus 2 that would be set mainly on Earth/Mars i had planned out Totally, this would even had set up a sequel that would be Part 4 a mission to LV-223 that would have catered for Alien Fans and been less ambiguous regarding the Xenomorph... this also had problems with HOW this would tie in with the Prometheus 3 (where David and Shaw go) and how that connects Engineers to LV-223.

So i just abandoned all 3 Concepts.

But yeah some ideas i had would have been interesting to see in a TV Series, because Yutani to me had a Great Rivalry with Weylands over AI and Synthetic Technology and Patents...    The Final Act of my Prometheus 2 we saw a Yutani Geisha Assassin Androids vs a Female Weyland Synthetic...  Big Twist at the END ;)  Which Causes the Merger!

" the devils in the details isn't it.."

Well i would not even like to Guess the number of Mistakes and Bad Grammar i would have in my works lol I would not worry about such ERRORS too much.... Jon Spaights made a number in his Drafts! (Prometheus earlier Drafts)

He also made a Whooper by the Date his Prequel was set in too, which was actually closer to ALIENS Time-Line LOL I am sure is maybe a Typo too.

The Correct Time-Line of Events is that the END of Alien Covenant takes place about 17 years prior to ALIEN. But not to worry.

I had been having some Discussion with LETO on my Star Child Thread where from a idea he had about how to make Davids Journey as something separate to ALIEN.. it gave me some ideas on HOW to do this and then have a alternative sequel that would go back to LV-223 or Planet 4.

I think if we took the kind of approach in that thread, then a PLOT like your idea would certainly fit more with a Movie about the Response Weyland-Yutani have to the Advent Viral Message. which would see them likely send a Mission to LV-223 or Planet 4 instead.

Even Split into a TWO Part Movie... IF the Human Ship goes to Planet 4, they could come into contact with the Neomorph and Xenomorphs.... they could get STRANDED  and have to go into Hiding from the Horrors on the Surface... and THEN the Engineers could Rock Up!

Could have Walter and Survivors Escape on a Juggernaught and Attempt to go to LV-223 to Destroy this place....  where we then have some incoming Engineers after them with a Payload of Eggs.  This would be like the 2nd Part.

Certainly allowing for a more ALIENY kind of series of Prequels.

REGARDING the Rock Band!

I remember now!  i made this TOPIC on here after coming across some Art by Dane Hallett for your BAND.

I will check out your work again, as i dont mind Metal, i was into various kinds as a kid, but also Rock... so i dont mind some Metal Music.

It could also share a universe with Blade Runner as has been discussed here before. That may also really set off some fans though. 

I think the only POLL that would be better would be on say IMDB or Rotten Tomatoes or even on Disney/Fox.  As it would cater the wider Public.

See there is loads of HYPE for Camerons AVATAR LOL

But certainly i think the Poll would not tell the Full Picture, i would say AVATAR is a 100% Certain...  The Planet of the Apes is fine as a Stand Alone Origins...  but i think they would be Money to be Made from Continuation, thanks to HOW WELL made the First Reboot Series was.

The Alien Franchise?  I am not so sure... the Franchise has had its Fair Share of Disappointment and Fractured Fanbase...   And while Every Fan could go and see a ALIEN movie and by Fan i mean those who own various Box Sets and Merchandise... but would that be enough to make the kind of $$$ to make it worthwhile?

Its about getting the Casual Audience involved too.

I think its nice to see the Passion for the Franchise, and hopefully those at Disney are taking Notice... but its about FINDING the right Story/Path to take.