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Have to totally agree with the lack of Character build up, we just never seemed to see much about Daniels, you kind of felt that Tennessee was more of a lead Character, and that it was a movie more so about David/Walter and Oram.
"Without ANY clues in the film it will be tough to explain that David re-created the xenomorph in the next movie. The story-line is so f-ed. "
Maybe they will go a route similar to how i have a number of times proposed and indeed the route i have for my TWO Alien Covenant Sequels... Which would eventually show us that David was the Middle Man in order to Perfect what the Engineers had been doing on LV-223, and that Xenomorph is born from this... The returning Engineer Hierarchy witness Davids Xenomorph and see how this Organism, is more Perfect than the Deacon and they attempt to Engineer themselves to Evolve it.
But i was also going for the route that David meets a Synthetic Female Construct, who he manages to get to see his side, unlike Walter did... thus David has found his companion... but in Hubris and as a Action of the Engineers she is used or plays a part in how the Xenomorph gains its Bio-Mechanical Aesthtic.
But Ultimately a Engineer Hierarchy attempt to take this Creation to LV-223 to Re-engineer and Mass Produce for Revenge... but the Cargo infects the Engineer/Space Jockey.
Either heading to LV-223, or maybe i would go the route that they conduct these evolutionary experiments on LV-223 and set off for Earth but only arrive as far as LV-426.
These are the kind of ideas i am playing with.... I would even consider a Covenant between David and Engineers, but then David has Redemption when he is angered at how the Engineers lead to or use Davids Synthetic Construct Companion to Evolve the Xenomorph and so David SABOTAGES the Derelict.
But this kind of Plot, revolves around the 2nd of Covenants Sequels...
I did remember he had a interview somewhere, thanks for the Heads Up SM.
I think we have to Question where this line came from as far as inspiration, it would appear odd that ADF plucked it from No-where... so there must have NOT been any clues/plots in the Drafts he had to work off that gave a DEFINITE Nod that the Engineers did not create it, and that David did....
For FOX to also let it stay, we have to wonder what progress had been made with the Novel, at the time this line was allowed and what progress the movie was in and what at this time the plans for that scene were (David shows Oram his Workshop and then the Eggs).
It could be a clever PLOY by FOX/RS to have the Book hint at a different outcome to the movie... were FOX/RS thinking ahead, so that maybe the Novel could provide a few clues that contradict David as the Creator.
so they can access how fans would react?
Despite RS comments, it only what we see as Canon in the movies that count, and so it does leave it open to show that David Re-Created the Xenomorph... but i think RS personnel choice would be to RUN with David as the Creator.
It certainly could be that David Re-Created something/Experimented on the Black Goo in the run up to Final Drafts we ended up with for Alien Covenant.
A interesting Question would be at WHAT POINT was it decided that David would be the TRUE Xenomorph Creator?
Indeed another way to make a movie have that impact is for a few Characters, this kind of worked for Alien, but then Alien Covenant did not have many Characters either, some were used in the Throw Away Plot Devices... But we had that in Aliens when we had the Exploding Ammunition Bag during the Xenomorph reveal Scene, that killed off Characters so it left us with a small group to relate to..
With Alien Covenant, we just could not relate to those who made it to the Cathedral....
For starters, the sheer number of characters could be reduced. I lost count of characters in the last two movies but remember Alien had just 9 including the Alien and Jonesy. They were all used to good effect.
"How would you bring that element to the next Alien movie?"
This is the tricky one... we have to be given a Scenario and Story where we get Characters we can relate too, and then see them thrown into Jeopardy.
This is the route my Alien:Ascension is taking (need to get more work done on it, as i have had the idea for months now lol) and so i was going to follow the route of showing us Origae-6 set up as a Colony, The Colonist starting to settle in more and expand, we arrive at a GREAT day for Celebration the 1st Birthday of the First Born Child on Origae-6 (Colony had been set up for years) but this was the First Naturally Produced and Born Child...
David would have Charade as Walter, in a Walters Body (he builds) a Monument to David, holding this Child is Erected, Walter (David) being praised as a Savior of the Colony Mission, had been held in high regard and celebration, they turn to Walter for Advice as like a wise Elder, but they do have Humans who run the show...
David has completely covered the tracks of what happened in Alien Covenant, the Colonist fed a lie about Saboteurs where he reveals some of the Crew to have attempted to destroy the Covenant and Caused the Chaos that was Neutrino Burst.
We see what seems like a Happy Colony, Walter had Sculpted a Statue in Honor of Daniels as she risked her life with Walter to Save the Covenant but she Perished. I reveal a lot of the Colonist do kind of adapt a Cultist/Religious look at things. Influenced and in memory of the Sacrifice of Oram and Daniels.
David/Walter had told of the tale of the struggle with Saboteurs (Lope and Tennessee) we have Statue of Oram, with his Gut open holding aloft a Demon... that Walter says represents a message from Oram about the need to overcome our Demons, to start a new, to forget the Rotting Society that is Earth).
Its only latter on when Davids True Dark Secrets are revealed and the Statues then reveal their true significance. And we gradually see the Hidden Horrors that David had been keeping...
And the True Shock of Davids Agenda....
I think building this kind of setting helps us connect with the plight of these Colonist..... And so when we get Mutations, and Pregnant Women Belly Busters (Though Shall Not from that Fruit) hopefully the Colony/Family vibe thats being set down will hit home when such a Horrific Event Occurs.
Certainly..... and a good Story, Characters and how they are then shown on screen all add to the Terror, Terror often can be use feeling the Horrific/Tense situations that Characters are placed in.
For this to work, Good use of Characters is mainly key... no wonder that since Alien 3 we have not seen depth of Characters or use of Characters apart from the odd one.
I think the whole Ancient Aliens connections would have been to loosely connect common ground between various Cultures and Religions rather than to Center on any single one. I dont think RS intended the Franchise to Expand so that viewers would be like "so as far as Ridleys Franchise Goes, Christianity is the True Story behind the Engineers"
I think only Ridley Scott and Jon Spaights will know how literal a connection they were toying with..... i do think it would only had been loosely as in their had been Emissaries/Messengers of the Gods who came to interact with us. In Islam Jesus is still regarded as a important figure, a chosen messenger of God, he just is not God Reincarnated or Gods only messenger. And so loosely i feel that was what RS was touching on too.
And so indeed there could have been Multiple Space Jesus sent down to various parts of Ancient Earth, only not every Culture maybe Crucified/Killed their Emissaries to the Engineers.
This would help to explain why the Mayan (620AD) and Hawaiian (680AD) Star Maps came about, after the supposed 2000 years ago decision to destroy us, leading to the LV-223 Outbreak.
I certainly agree there.... Character use was better too as we have not seen Characters Utilized as good since Alien 3 too, so maybe they go hand in hand.
Dark Nebula Thanks- never happened before and have no idea what happened.
BigDave Good points. Perhaps instead of horror that basically is about what we see (gore), a focus on terror (feeling dread and anticipation) could add some mojo to the franchise. That is an open ended idea, but I really haven't felt that sense of terror since Alien 3.
Without ANY clues in the film it will be tough to explain that David re-created the xenomorph in the next movie. The story-line is so f-ed.
Yes I was talking about an excess of typical Marvel/Disney jokes.
Talking about re-animation, gods, Satan was there an intention of introducing Space Jesus (metaphorically speaking, not RS remark)?
"Well, for example the mother joke in the Last Jedi"
I dont recall that..... mind you i have not brought myself around to seeing it for a 3rd time....
So i guess you meant that Disney could end up adding some unnecessary goofy scenes and jokes that do not fit within the seriousness of the Franchise?
The Technology was a Synapse Reestablisher which they used on the Engineer Head
Another remarkable technological feat from Weyland scientists, the Synapse Reestablisher, through precise, minute electrical innervation, awakens dormant neurons in the brain tissue of deceased or dying patients. This delicate technology is highly sensitive and restricted to a select group of doctors and scientists. The 9 existing Reestablishers have been in use for the past 2 years in medical schools and biotech research centers for experimental use only, pending FDA investigation."
This was a device as a Plot Device to Re-activate the Dead Engineer, i got the impression its function was limited and it was not a case of this could totally Re-Animate a Living Creature. It only would do so for a limited time....
I found this interesting, and the Dream Visor Technology too, and it appeared to me that MAYBE Weyland was hoping these Technologies could be a Safeguard to Upload his Soul (Memories etc from his Brain) into some kind of AI that could then be re-integrated into a new Body or a Synthetic... i was always drawn to this being Weylands AGENDA and True reason for Creating David.... because if the dying Weyland could create a Humanoid who would NEVER die, and then Upload his Soul to this Humanoid then WEYLAND would become IMMORTAL ... but it appears Weyland had not been Successful and then he had NO CHOICE but turn to Dr Shaws Findings in the Desperate Hope that meeting our Creators could grant Weyland Immortality.
This is how i interpreted it, and it was the Basis for one of the Main Plots of my Prometheus 2 which i abandoned... This Agenda, was Weylands Project Rook
Regarding the Engineers, who knows if they have ways to Re-Animate the Dead, its certainly something Weyland was hoping.. I think we cant rule out if David discovered something like this that the Engineers had?
Even so... i think its a Question of would the intention of this not take into account infected Life, and so Re-animating a Host who dies from the Infection does not prevent the infection?
Well, for example the mother joke in the Last Jedi
"They are allowed interplanetary travel but cannot leave the city. That would be fishy."
Totally is.... The only explanation i could offer is that this Culture is very Ritualistic, they abide by certain Law/Religion, we can only assume they have a GREAT Belief in their Culture/Society to accept their purpose...
Where Technology is Shunned apart from its use for a CERTAIN Purpose... This all Screams that those Engineers are a Sub-Creation of Governed by another Hierarchy that DO-NOT come from Planet 4
It just must be those Engineers Accept their way of Life/Culture with Fanatical/Cult kind of purpose....
"and you forget idiotic jokes..."
i am not sure what you mean by that... my comment was that we have to hope Disney do not look at the Franchise as far as Prequels that was trying to Steer Away from the themes of Alien and Prometheus was to set us off to explore a larger Universe than being just about the Eggs on the Derelict and Queens.
FOX felt in Hindsight the path of Prometheus was not something most fans wanted, and that steering away from Alien and Xenomorph was a mistake...
something RS maybe was not a fan off.. his comment "they want Aliens, ill give them $"%^£^" seems to tell me Ridley Scott felt the Franchise was more than about Xenomorphs.
My concern is Disney will see the Prequels as a bit of Failure and look back at what made the Franchise Great and as Iconic, and that means they may feel Xenomorphs and Ripley are what SELLS... and so i fear a Blomkamps Alien 5 is something they would rather tackle... than the Prequels and Engineers etc.
But wasn't established in Prometheus that infected tissue cannot be reanimated by used of human tech? Did the Engineers had that also? Or did David invent that 2. When did he have the physical time for all of this?
Regarding the Engineers...
We can only assume some survived in some place, and did not venture out due to the Environment being infected, it would be like going into a underground bunker after a Nuclear War, the Question then is how does someone held up in a Bunker, when the Outside World has been Decimated and have no Radio Contact, how/when does the average JOE, held up in such places know when it is safe.... If they give it months, they could run out of supplies.
We dont know how long the affects of the Black Goo remain, we dont know if any Engineers who escaped, then wandered outside and got infected, or even worse Neomorph infected.
There is a lot to contemplate...
There has not been any real explanations apart from some hints about Re-Animating which i think is a bit lame. I think it goes against the Black Goo and then if we do Re-Animate Life-forms, how did they Die? If its via the Black Goo, then does this not mean we are Re-Animating infected Organisms?
Some of Davids Drawings and Experiments looked like they needed uninfected material/life forms. All we can do is try and think of plausible reasons for this.
They are allowed interplanetary travel but cannot leave the city. That would be fishy.
"David managed to Re-Plant some clean Crops down?" of course he did and the Devil planted the fossils in the ground to test the faith of the believer.... :P
"We just have to hope that Disney DO-NOT take the Narrow Minded Route that the Franchise now has to be about the Xenomorph and Queens... and trying to tie it into a RIPLEY Saga.." and you forget idiotic jokes...
"Yet more talk about a character that was not in the movie.."
I think this differs person to person, but a lot of debates surround things that AC did not cover in detail, the Engineer City, the Engineers, what happened to them, the same for Dr Shaw.
I think it shows a number of people are interested in what they thought a Prometheus 2 would have covered, and what we got was a After-Math to what ever a kind of Prometheus 2 may have covered.
And a number of fans seem more interested in what transpired in those 10 years and the Mystery and History of the Engineers and connection to Creation and Mankind.
Rather than Eggs and Xenomorphs...
We just have to hope that Disney DO-NOT take the Narrow Minded Route that the Franchise now has to be about the Xenomorph and Queens... and trying to tie it into a RIPLEY Saga..
Prometheus laid down so much Potential, that Alien Covenant Brushed under the Carpet.
Alas IgnorantGuy its sadly all part of a Plot that has not been well thought out to cover all bases ;)
We can only assume some animals had survived, someplace. We cant be sure if the ENTIRE planet had been infected, and Daniels etc had only mentioned about NO Birds in the vicinity of the City, so if ALL Life had been eradicated for say 50 Miles, then Daniels could only comment on why this area had no signs of life.
This does then get us to asking Where did David get the various Organisms he experimented on, and i guess the RE-ANIMATED route is a Lazy Way to cover this Question.
The Wheat is interesting but as David suggests the Black Goo does not effect Non-Organic Material, so maybe over years any Black Goo that covered these plants are no longer effective, or David managed to Re-Plant some clean Crops down?
We maybe have to assume that a few Birds had not been effected etc, or maybe after the Outbreak many Migrated to a area much further away than the City...
It surely is a puzzle to why a Engineer Race would only contain themselves within a City... and not leave anywhere else... i can only bring up the Paradise Connection. Which refers to the Garden of Eden in some contexts.
Adam and Eve where allowed to live in Eden, but they latter got kicked out of Eden, and so in context of Earth, Eden has been suggested as being a place in/around the Iraq/Syria area.
So this City could be like the Garden of Eden, and if the Purpose was for Seeding Worlds with these beings then surely those who are ABOVE the Engineers or the Hierarchy who rule over them... Maybe they would want these beings to be CONTAINED within One Area, where they could be watched over and made sure they DO-NOT go against the ways of their Culture.
But alas, this is all we can do really... try and make some logical sense of parts of a Plot/Story that has parts that are not well thought out as far as HOW things could contradict or cause Questions like what you proposed.. I think it really DOES-NOT matter about them, in the Eyes of those who worked on the Project and so a Oversight, and Questions that they really thought we would not be looking at for explanations.
Its interesting because we dont know how much of this ADF had added, but they surely did have access to earlier drafts when working on his Novel, its not like a case of they Finish Shooting and let ADF see the movie and have the Final Shooting Draft and then go.... Write this into a Novel.
so its interesting to see where they get this idea from? Is it something they ASSUMED the movie was about, or were there actual clues in the Draft he used to suggest that David Re-Created the Xenomorph? When they was working on the Novel, they surely had to go back and forth between someone at FOX and someone at FOX would have to have read the Novel before giving it the GREEN LIGHT.
Only Alan Dean Foster would know for sure, and i am sure he has done a few interviews... will have to dig them up.
The Early Synopsis to AC is interesting too and RS comments...
Because it touched upon "They're going to go to the planet where the engineers came from, and come across the evolving creature that they had made"
This was RS comment. He also mentioned about another group of explorers are incoming
Here is another such comment... and the Early Synopsis read similar to the Evolving Creature that they had made...
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We’ll have them all. Egg, face-hugger, chest-burster, then the big boy.
They’re going to go to the planet where the engineers came from, and come across the evolving creature that they had made. Why did they make it? Why would they make such a terrifying beast? It felt bio-mechanoid, it felt like a weapon. And so the movie will explain that, and reintroduce the alien back into it"
But it really depends how you read into Ridley Scotts comments as they are always a bit ambiguous....
"They’re going to go to the planet" Is this the Covenant Crew? or David and Shaw?
"and come across the evolving creature that they had made" this does not fit with the Covenant Crew unless we look at the context being the THEY as in Engineers, but then if the first part was about David/Shaw then the THEY here can apply to them.. which indeed we see David did Create it, and Shaw played the Final Pieces of the Puzzle.
So it could be taken as Engineers or David/Shaw that created the Xenomorph...
I guess the biggest answer would have to come from this from the ADF Novel. "In case you were wondering, I had nothing to do with it. It lies as I found it, a supreme example of the Engineers' skill. And also, their hubris, I suppose"
Its a case of if this or something similar was ever part of any Harper/Logan Draft. If it was then it would show that indeed David was intended to Re-Create/Evolve something the Engineers had created, and then at some latter stage RS/FOX decided to have David create it.
Which RS had said they at some point changed it to David because RS felt this was more interesting. The SOURCE i had from February 2015 who gave clues to what Prometheus 2 was about, they had said that DAVID does RE-CREATE it and Dr Shaw plays a Small but Pivotal Role.
If this Source was correct, then prior to Logan/Harper it appears David would be creating something similar but at that time was NOT considered to be the Xenomorph Creator and so as of 2014 the idea of the Derelict being Ancient was still the case.
But the thing with the synopsis and RS comments, are that the Evolving Creature could be something David Created from the Black Goo that THEY (Engineers) created, due to how ambiguous that comment/synopsis is.
Yet more talk about a character that was not in the movie...
Of course this whole thing does not make sense. For David to have viable test subjects and things to draw for 10 years means that the Bombardment could not have killed off all the animals on the whole Planet 4.
I can't see how a group of engineers did escape the city via the catacombs or by other means and mounting an armed resistance (they could even use rocks as Parker with a fire extinguisher disabled Ash). They would have got food from the crops (which were not infected). And this does not explain how an ancient civilization on planet more or less like Earth (gravity is also an indication of the planet's size, if we assume the same composition) inhabit a single city.
And what happened to birds? How did they got infected if the goo did not remain airborne? And David went on bird hunting to catalog them?
While on the subject of that DK
I have too seen real Dead Animals and even in photos you can look at REAL Dead Bodies that have suffered horrific damage and some of them look LESS-REAL than even a lot of Special Effects.
So some Special Effects can look a BIT very Real... but it is always the context that counts, as in Movies we know its Fiction, no one really gets Maimed or Dies. So its not bound to be as effective as discovering a real Maimed Body etc.
I think Gore Horror gets overdone too much now, Children from Each Generation become accustomed to Gore and other Things that make movies have to be Rated for 15/18 (R) even in Computer Games of our modern post 90's Generation.
so Gore does not induce Horror Feeling as it would have done to those say born in the 40's to 70's when watching Gore in the 60's to the 80's
Movies like American Werewolf and The Thing for example, had no where near the Gore Thrown around as a lot of movies that are made in the last 15-20 years.... The Newer Incarnations of Chainsaw Massacres and Evil Dead, are more Gorey as far as Realistic and Over the Top Blood, compared to the older movies yet they dont have the same effect as those who were young when those Originals came out.
Because we are so used to the Gore now that it has no effect, so its the context that works now.... If Characters are ones that the audience does not connect with then any death/horror or gore that happens to these Characters will simply not affect a lot of the Audience.
I think this applies to Ridley Scott when he calls the Xenomorph a Cooked Beast... He is 100% correct, if we had another 3 movies where the Xenomorphs are shown just as they are in the AVP movies, Aliens and Alien Resurrection then indeed they dont become Scary anymore.
ALIEN worked because of how little exposure we had to the Organism, but we all know its FACE now and doing a movie about a Xenomorph Stalking people on say the Covenant would not be as effective as it was in ALIEN even if said Xenomorph appeared in the Shadows and for 60% of the movie was picking off the Colonist ONE-BY-ONE
I am just waiting for the current Generation of Writers with no Original Ideas, to be called upon by Disney and reveal that CASEY was actually a Synthetic, one encoded with a Weyland-Yutani Special Order to keep Newt Save lol
" It could give strength to the idea that an Engineer was crucified by people and was why the Engineers got bent towards us."
Certainly if Sacrifice is very Important to the Engineers in regards to GIVING Life..... then they could view Unnecessary Sacrifice as far as Crucifixion as being something very Blasphemous to their Culture and Ideology.
The whole SPACE JESUS comment, was explained as this Person being a Emissary sent down to put us on the right track as far as teach us to go back to the ways that APPEASED the Engineers and did not OFFEND them.... and we well Executed the Emissary
I think the Emissary Idea is very plausible because it can be used to explain some inconsistencies regarding the Star Maps as far as those after the 2000 years ago Date. If we go back 2000 years ago, there are many Cultures around the World who lived more Ritualistic and Simple Lives, Cultures who had not CHANGED their ways even hundreds of years after.
Cultures that had NO Contact, or little Contact with Mankinds Cultures from the Middle Eastern/Eurasia areas. Cultures whos Religions are nothing really like the Abrahamic Faiths that rose up a few thousands of years ago.
If we look at the simply life many Tribal Secluded Cultures live by, and look at the Moral Values of these people and compare them to Ancient Cultures from Thousands of years ago, they are similar.
If we look at Modern Man even at the Roman Times, never mind today then we can see our ways, in how we act, dress, treat each other and how we value Life and Animals and the Environment is totally different to how the secluded Tribes who live today pretty much no different than thousands of years ago..
If you was some Godlike Creators of Mankind you would certainly deem the ways of Modern Man to be against what you may have stood for, and yet the secluded Tribes, may live in ways that appease you.
So its LIKELY that the Engineers sent down MORE than ONE Emissary, and so many had been Crucified/Killed by the Evolving Cultures on Earth. While the Emissaries who had been sent to watch over the more Ancient Simple Tribal Peoples, could still teach the ways of the Engineers and Star Maps made after 2000 years ago.
This would explain the Recent Star Maps like the Mayan (620AD) and the Hawaiian (680AD).
These Cultures at this time, had not been corrupted by the ways of Mankind that inhabited the Middle Eastern/European areas. So these Cultures may not have killed their Emissaries
"She tried to escape from him but he killed her"
Indeed something had gone wrong between them, but the ambiguity can keep us guessing what happened which means we can come up with varied ideas.
If we looked at RS and Fassbenders comment, it appears that a Mutual Bond/Respect had happened, even being likened to a Marriage.... a Marriage that had hit a Major Problem and a rather Messy Divorce.
I would assume things had gone quite well, until Dr Shaw had discovered some revelations about Davids intentions and what he had been doing... I would safely assume that Dr Shaw was awoken from Cryo-Sleep after the Bombardment and that DAVID would have given her a completely fabricated story. Because for Dr Shaw we have to assume if she could get or attempt to get her Answers and the % Chance of getting answers was low like 10% or even no Guarantees of any Answers, but the likely hood of her just being killed/executed by the Engineers was HIGH she would be willing to take this risk...
David however is Sentient, he is Fascinated with the Engineers Secrets, he is FREE and would not want to end up a Headless Corpse again, and maybe indeed he CARED so much for Dr Shaw that he COULD NOT let her take any chances that would END her life, i think mainly for Davids Selfish Reasons (he wanted her to himself)
I think these are good reasons why David did what he did, but i think he would not give Dr Shaw the exact true reasons, i also think he would tell Dr Shaw the Environment is Infected and she would have to Hold Herself up for Years in the Juggernaught.
This allows David to keep what he has been up to from Dr Shaw and i would not be surprised if ONE DAY she become suspicious and curious to how David could fetch her Food/Water that is not infected when he could be CLAIMING the Environment is Infected.. and so she wonders off and then she starts to make some DISCOVERIES
You could assume DAVID would have some Explaining to do, and maybe he has NO CHOICE but to be a bit more honest, and maybe he then proposed a offer to Dr Shaw? Maybe its a offer that he FELT would benefit her but She Rejected it. Shortly after things went to POT
This kind of Scenario is what i am drawn towards, and certainly something i would cover if i was to ATTEMPT to do a Story of the events set prior to the Covenant Arriving.
This kind of Scenario is similar to my ideas for a Alien Covenant Sequel, where David again attempts to mislead the Covenant Colonists.... until SOME discover his very DARK Secret. Then things go to POT
Indeed i think there is the potential that some of those distant caves could have provided a Sanctuary from the Bombardment, i am a firm believer in a theory that the Engineers David experimented on had managed to barricade themselves away but with this Event (Bombardment) they simply was not prepared as far as Food/Water Supplies...
We have a lot of Doomsday Preppers in the World, building underground bunkers/bases and stocking up on Food and Water etc, just as the Movie 10 Cloverfield Lane showed. And so any Apocalyptic Event where the outside world is contaminated would eventually lead to Starvation unless you was one of those who prepared for such a Event.
In a event like this, anyone who does not have any preparations would have to live of the limited resources they have in, and once these run-low and the Environment outside is either infected or to dangerous then without any Food/Water you would become emaciated and TOO WEAK to put up much of a Fight.
I prefer this kind of Scenario, as opposed to David using the Black Goo to Resurrect Dead Engineers.... i think the Black Goo could resurrect Engineers whos bodies are maybe not so badly Burnt etc.. but that by Resurrection it would be the Black Goo Mutating their Dead DNA into Living Hybrid versions and so we in effect end up with a Zombie Fifield kind of Resurrection rather than a Walking Dead Zombie Resurrection.
@Indy_John I have a theory on answering your question in question to the line David makes.........
From the start of the movie we know that Weyland, Dr. Shaw, Dr. Holloway, the rest of the Scientists have their own personal goals/agendas they each want to achieve. We find out they have personal emotions to relate to, personal and different things that are meaningful to each character differently and different from the rest. Aside from their duties/job that they have been hired and employed to fulfill by the same company:
Weyland wants more life
Holloway and Shaw want to find their Creators
Vickers wants her dads (Weylands) company? Wants to feel loved by her father
Millburn wants to make friends (tries making friends with Feifield. Tries treating a face hugger like a kitty cat..............)
Fifield wants money
Janek wants to sleep with Ms. Vickers
The Engineers want to escape and head to earth
You get the idea here..... All these beings want something
If Weylands, Shaws, the Engineers, Holloways plans are successful then all these characters will, respectively, have something.
I don't mention David because his intentions are always foggy. I exempted him because he is an android as well. Not human. With David, it's somewhat difficult to pinpoint what he really wants. (I think it becomes a bit more clear of his intentions and goals in Alien: Covenant). I must mentioning his androidal existence because I believe it is crucial for understand further on why he uses this line and refers back to it later. Androids are without feeling... "needs, wants" no emotions nor feels pain. So, upon their arrival of the planet LV-223, the scientists read aloud their data of the planet.. I'm paraphrasing here but they say, "no radio, no heat, no nothing, nobody home." Right after this, David says his infamous line....
"There is nothing in the desert, and no man needs nothing."
David might be assuming, but, this place they're just arrived at.... is a desert.. and there ain't nothin' in a desert, cept sand o' course. (We later find out that after Weylands death, there is "something" of value in this "desert".. but of value to who I wonder? Could you guess?
(Keep in mind Peter Weyland is still in Cryosleep, so technically, he has also arrived on the planet). If we fast forward to the end of the movie when the Engineer runs off and tries to escape the planet, when Davids head gets ripped off, and when Weyland is laying on the ground about to die Weyland says, "There's nothing." David replies, "I know.. Mr. Weyland, have a safe journey". Basically bidding his father/Creator, Weyland, farewell who is leaving the desert... where there's nothing, and where he won't need anything else.
I see it like this: If you have one penny in your left hand and one penny in right hand you do not have three pennies. David give us a way more introspective, thought provoking, and a semi-backwards way of looking at it. If nothing is in front of you, nothing is there. If you go looking for water and green trees in an ocean of sand, you will find only dust.
Everyone onboard The Prometheus went looking for something in a desert, yet found nothing. If there is nobody to go looking, nothing is found.
David, a man of nothing. A soulless being went looking for nothing, and found everything. (Alien: Covenant)
Hope my thoughts on this subject gives you a twist on your thinking :)
"Walter doesn't have a penis because Walter isn't a person".
That surgery hand with what looks to be a mix of mustard and ketchup makes me feel a bit sick when I look at it.
Interesting. That pic is the real deal. It is pus and blood from an infection.
Context is very important. Movie gore is a yawn to me in many cases because it gets over done. True story here:
I saw a lot of gory shows back in the day. I went with my dad to clear his office when he retired as a detective. There were some autopsy b/w pics of a bludgeoned woman- the before, during and after pics. That was the real deal and it was just stark, plain and real. Nothing compares to this date.
Sure, things are more realistic but when viewing, also notice what you hear. Music or other noises (or absence of noises) try to influence the experience.
For an experiment, watch the goriest stuff you can find, shut off the volume, play some other unrelated audio like an infomercial or crickets chirping and the gore factor will go way down immediately.
And yes, there are plenty of buildings outside the city in mountains.
"then WHY did David not Resurrect Dr. Shaw"
Maybe there is a story between David and Shaw we haven't seen. In Prometheus, we know David spiked the drop of the black goo in Holloway's drink and thus killed him. Maybe he admitted to Shaw that he did it and their relationship went downhill. In the novelization of the Prometheus, he did admit that to Shaw in the end. In the advent, David said: "We found a rotting paradise, I washed this world clean as a gift to her, we could've built a new, a second Eden. But she refused. What choice did I have? She was the perfect specimen. I tried desperately to make her more than a human. Evolve. But without her cooperation, I had to salvage her parts to begin work on my masterpiece. You wouldn't believe the secrets I have unlocked."
"With Shaw, I realized there was something extraordinary about the substance's reaction to the human genome."
She obviously saw David has gone nuts. She tried to escape from him but he killed her and used her organs for his experiments which helped him in his research.
The design for the engineers was also inspired by Greek statues.
The Engineers did come to earth to check on their creations and update them, that's why the Engineer city on planet 4 is Roman/Greekesque with lots of statues and temples. The theory that Jesus was an Engineer was a part of Jon Spaiht's draft for Prometheus but Ridley thought it was too much under the nose so they moved away from it thankfully.
