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@ Critters5

I suggest you rewatch "Aliens", especially the hearing at the beginning of the movie. Burke did indeed communicate the coordinates of the derelict spacecraft to the colonists. BUT: He didn't possess these coordinates prior to Ripley's return. He obtained them from the flight recorder of Ripley's rescue shuttle. The chairman of the commission mentions that the flight recorder was analyzed. The data confirmed some elements of Ripley's report - that the "Nostromo" set down on LV 426.

I'm afraid you are seriously mistaken if you think "that the colonization of LV 426 was to provide hosts to the Aliens which was the company's biggest interest". LV 426 was clearly not colonized in order to provide hosts for the xenomorph. There is nothing in "Aliens" to support such a view. Two things have always puzzled me: In "Aliens" no explanation is given as to why such a barren, desolate and inhospitable moon like LV 426 was actually colonized. And it is never explained why the colonists didn't discover the derelict spacecraft by themselves (in over 20 years!). Surely the moon was surveyed and mapped prior to or after colonization. Such a huge metallic object like the juggernaut should not have gone undetected.  

Movie image from Alien, the three (four?) relatively big planetoid moons are outside the ring, no doubt:

Prometheus, arrival scene, two 'big' moons in the distance, LV-223 and LV-426?, probably yes, we don't know, there is no ring, there is no the planet itself, their positions are unknown, the ring and the gas planet (Calpamos) are out of sight:

BUT!

We have this Prometheus movie image where the ship can be seen very close to the gas giant, it flies 'under' the ring, there's a small moon in the distance on the left (no info about it), AND THERE'S A SMALL MOON 'OVER' THE RING WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO THE PLANET (inside the ring on the right). I think it can't be one of the relatively big moons because it must have looked much bigger so close to the gas giant:

I think it can be claimed that there is a mysterious small moon inside the planet ring.

Look at this image from Prometheus, it shows the planet and its moons, so LV-223 (and LV-426?) is outside the ring, no doubt:

And what about the fourth moon?

/Prometheus concept art by Steve Messing/

LV-223, LV-426... AND TWO MORE MOONS:

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dk - I liked The Thing 2011 very much.

And I would like to know everything about the Space Jockey. So I hope his story won't be left a mystery in the next Alien movie.

'Blomkamp has moved on...' - Probably that is a clever decision.

'Ridley Scott has officially ruined the future of the franchise.'

Officially ruined! :DDDDDDDD

I think Blomkamps Alien 5 as in lets bring Ripley back would have been a Fan Service, but thats no disrespect to the Fanboys, without them we would not even get any more Alien movies after Aliens.

I just think that giving a Alternative to Alien 3, while it may make a decent Popcorn flick, if it makes $$$ then we would see a Alien 6 and 7 and i dont think Miss Weaver would pass the Torch, and i think there is only so much Queens, Xenomorphs and Ripley before it gets STALE

I also think once they open the Pandoras BOX of Ret-conning Alien 3, where do they go next?  Re-boot the Prequels.... so that we  have to accept Alien 3 and Alien R did not happen, and Prometheus and Alien Covenant?   Then what if a Reboot Prequels again gives us a Ripley Saga, and thus turn the Franchise into like Star Wars... NO THANKS

Blomkamp had some good ideas, the Plot could still work... just remove Ripley and Hicks and Newt they all died in Alien 3...

But Blomkamps ideas could be used as a sequel to Alien that happens prior to Aliens, i think this could work.  Or indeed be set after Alien 3 but prior to Alien R

I think he is trying to keep face and not appear disrespectful to the Ridley Scott Prequels.

I still think he could be FISHING with those concepts, because if his Tweet is True then why would he not release every piece of Concept?  I think if Disney decide to go the route of making another Alien movie and are interested in his Concepts... i think they could maybe approach him to see what his ideas had been.

And if offered i doubt Blomkamp would turn it down.

I would not blame RS on the Franchise,  the blame is with FOX, and then Fans Reaction to Prometheus and wanting to see more Queens and Xenomorphs.   But even so, RS had worked with Logan and Harper on AC and i feel this movie handled things in a totally bad way.

The Franchise is in Limbo....   In Hindsight FOX/RS should have looked at Lindeloffs Draft and Jon Spaights work and made a movie that was in the middle of both.... giving more clues to the Xenomorph and giving us Xenomorph like Monsters...   Then it would have allowed a sequel to move away from the Xenomorph.

By this i mean the First Installment... AKA Prometheus it needed some elements from Alien Engineers, between both those stories was a ideal Prequel.

I think the Benevolent Space Jockey remark is interesting as indeed RS did say this, but since Prometheus he refers to the Engineers as Fallen Angels, and not being Benevolent, even saying in the lead up to working on P2 that they will find beings, but these beings are far from Benevolent.

Maybe the Space Jockey is thus a Angel and not Fallen? But then maybe his action is Benevolent to his own species, or maybe could be benevolent to all.

RS did explain the Space Jockey Event in quite some Detail.

*The Derelict and Juggernaught and Engineers and Space Jockey are brothers.

*Those Ships are Bio-Weapon Carriers/Transporters/Bombers

*The Derelict was off to a undisclosed destination, but it did not get far.

*The Derelict did not crash, it had intended to land on LV-426 to Quarantine its Cargo

*The Pilot got infected by his Cargo, something had Evolved in the Cargo Hold.

*The Event had occurred within a few hundred years of the Outbreak on LV-223

Its such a shame things have been changed now, as these showed us that the Derelict Event happened either a few hundred years prior to the LV-223 Outbreak thus those Experiments likely had taken place on the Cargo of the Derelict.  Or the event happened hundreds of years after the Outbreak which would mean the Eggs are a result of something Evolving from the Outbreak.

Even though AC had set up David creates the Xenomorph, we still cant rule out him only Evolving/Re-Creating it, this can still be changed as it seems to be the BIGGEST Criticism of Alien Covenant

I had pondered the importance of Females, made a Topic a long time ago on this, because the Engineer seemed very intrigued with Dr Shaw... (in the Full Scenes), and if these are Fallen Angels, we have many stories about the Sons of GOD (Angels) and Daughters of Man (Females) and the Children Born to them (Giants) and so i wondered could Females be playing a Large Role?

Did these beings Evolve themselves past Procreation, but while they Engineered themselves to Live Longer, they are not IMMORTAL, and so maybe the Sacrificial Route was a way to obtain Females to Breed with? But AC had latter showed us these Engineers had Females, well those Planet 4 ones did, and so i pondered, was they the result and reason for our seeding? Are they Hybrids...  This was prior to seeing Alien Covenant.

Indeed months after AC, we see TWO Concepts by both Wayne Haagg and Steve Messing, of the Temple/Cathedral Dome

Was there a reason that by Coincidence TWO separate Concept Artist have Females on the Doors, and the entrance we see Humanoids?  One piece who look more Greek/Roman the other Sumerian?  These dont look Engineers at all..... and while the Cathedral does not look like this in the Movie, we have to wonder at some point WHY Haagg and Messing designed the concepts this way?

So yes i think we can speculate Females are required to play a role in the Creation of Xenomorph Type Organisms, Davids experiments had been carried out on Female Engineers, but he found that Dr Shaw provided to be more suitable for the progress of his Creations.

If the Source i had in Feb 2015 was correct, then indeed prior to AC the plans was still similar, as they claimed HUMANS played a Bigger role in the Creation of the Xenomorph than the Engineers, and also that Dr Shaw plays a Small but IMPORTANT Role and is incapacitated for the most part.  And that David creates one of the TWO monsters the movie would feature, by Create he would Re-Create it, and all you needed was the Tools and Knowledge and he had both.  The source also said in context to Paradise Lost, without SIN (i assume Satans Daughter) there would be NO Xenomorph, now Sin is mostly incapacitated as she is constantly in labor and birthing the Hounds of Hell that Guard the Gates to Hell.  They also described a Female being connected to a Bio-Mechanical Device.   The Source was loose and vague so they did not directly Spoon Feed, but looking at it all and indeed those Concepts leaked from 2014 and the earlier ones by Matt Hatton they add up to what the Source said and Dr Shaws Fate is still similar to what was planned back in 2014

This does not mean we cant discredit any theories in this Topic, but indeed i think FEMALES play a Pivotal Role in the Xenomorph.

Now i dont know how to tackle the OT, because well its a interesting and ambiguous one, well certainly was prior to Alien Covenant and GAVIN you raise some good points...  first regarding the Moons, if we assume LV-223 and LV-426 do indeed Orbit the same Planet, then the 3rd moon i think logically would be LV-121 or LV-629 but thats not a Guarantee. 

Its interesting to maybe imply this other Moon in the scheme of things.... we simply dont know what the connection is with the Engineers and Black Goo and Mural, i think Alien Engineers gives more clues, and when we see the Mural, and Frescos it could be possible those Engineers encountered a Parasitic Organism that they experimented on LV-223 with, which means we could speculate if this is the case, maybe they discovered this Parasite on the other Moon, then set up a Outpost on a near by Moon to experiment on this Parasite.   I think one flaw with this is the Star Maps, because they dated back 35'000 years or so ago, and so do we assume they had been experimenting with the Parasite and Creating the Deacon and Black Goo that long ago, yet still came to Earth to interact with us?

Unless it was all part of a Plan in the Scheme of Things, and so over 30'000 years prior to the Outbreak those Engineers had planed to create/use the Bio-Weapon on us, just for some reason they had to wait thousands of years?  I think this is flawed, but as its ambiguous we just cant rule anything out.

Some good points with Dr Shaw, and i feel Prometheus was showing us via the Deacon via the Trilobite, that a set of events could lead to a Face Hugger Type Organism, that leads to a Xenomorph Type. The clues was there for us, so that they never had to Spoon Feed the Xenomorph Origins...  it was done in a way that could lead to similar events in the past lead to the Xenomorph (or similar) or indeed another infection of the Parasitic Black Goo, or indeed the Hammerpedes... all of these could be the answer to the Xenomorph...   it was ambiguous, but this all changed with Alien Covenant.

I had explored many a theory regarding the Mural etc, to me i wondered if those Engineers could not Procreate or had lost this ability or had it taken from them, then coming into contact with a Parasite that then would allow them to GIVE BIRTH to Life, could be seen in high regard for these beings and maybe why they would make a Mural to it, and further  experiment with it... I think from the clues in Prometheus they encountered or was punished with the beast in the Fresco and began to experiment on this to create the Deacon, and then they Sacrificed it like the Sacrificial Engineer and the broken down DNA Stored in those Urns... These Engineers saw the Deacon as more Perfect than themselves and saw its DNA as being the better DNA to Evolve Worlds than their own DNA.. this is how i interpreted it all... which Jon Spaights Alien Engineers gives us the clues to exactly this.

Gavin, exactly! 

This little old Gem is always a good Topic, the connection between those Worlds and the Xenomorph, a interesting one with clues in Prometheus, but alas with the Change of Direction in AC, things may have to be looked differently... a shame because RS originally had worked out the Space Jockey Story he just felt it did not need Spoon Feeding.

@Andrew1975

You raise some good points, but if we consider the Marketing for Prometheus then its hinted the LV-426 and LV-223 are located in the vicinity of Zeta 2 System, its a Binary one so one World/Moon could Orbit one Star while the other Orbits its Twin.   A Problem does arise from not being 100% Scientific Fact and with some flaws... so far indeed we have not detected any Gas Giants in that System but this is Science Fiction.

There are flaws though, Holoways Star Map zooms into a Area of Space where Zeta 2 in respects to the Orion's Belt would not be located.  But then a 2 hour Rotation of LV-426 would not be able to support any Colonization Period.   These are all Flaws, that should be considered a Oversight.

You do raise a extremely Valid Point regarding LV-223, this place is more suitable than LV-426 for any Colonization attempts, so it can lead us to wonder why bother with LV-426, which we could maybe think what if they are different systems, but even so in terms of Space Travel in the Alien Universe even if LV-426 and LV-223 DO-NOT orbit the same Planet, they would still be located fairly close as far as scouting out a ideal world to set up a Colony.

The information Prometheus expanded with the system, would have us asking this Question, as to why in the year 2137 set up a Colony on LV-426 when LV-223 is more viable....  well we have to HOPE maybe this In-continuity gets covered because surely there would be a explanation to why LV-223 is not considered a option certainly by the year 2137, likewise LV-223 would have to be explained away as far as why in Alien 3 and Alien R do the companies Pursue Ripley for the Xenomorph, when LV-223 has many more riches.

Regarding LV-426 and the Derelict, it leads me indeed to think most of the company including Burke had no idea of the Derelict until after Ripley mentioned the events of the Nostromos Mission.  We cant rule out the company having knowledge, because the Prequels open this up... and so between David and his Experiments and what remains on LV-223, Planet 4 and Origae-6 at the time of Alien 2122 to the year of Hadleys Hope in 2137, surely we have to ask WHY is the Derelict the only thing to explore regarding Special Order 937 and then would the company wait 20 years to then Sacrifice the Colonist?

Sounds very sinister..... but not if we get the reveal that Mankind has become Sheep to AI, and like in the Matrix the Machines are running the Show, and Mankind are oblivious to their sinister motives

Indeed The Thing is one of my favorite movies, i think the Prequel was flawed, some iffy CGI but mainly the Ending was Pants....

But we still knew NOTHING about the Organism/Parasite or what ever we call it, i think indeed Invasion of the Body Snatchers is pretty much similar to what we see the THING as.

The Interesting Thing about the Movie indeed was the Building of the Space Ship, this is wonderful because of the ambiguity involved which can lead to many debates and speculation, we have to wonder why Blair Thing was building a Craft... was it to get off this Baron Wasteland to Infect the Greater Population?   Or was he attempting to Leave Earth.

I assume the intentions was not good, because we had Norris Thing and Palmer Thing too and so we have to ask was those TWO also planning to leave with Blair Thing? Or was Blair Thing attempting to get off Earth to Spread the Organism/Parasite to other Worlds?

I did plan a Prequel to The Thing way back in 2003,  i was going to explore the events leading to that Ship heading to Earth 100'000 years ago....   I was pondering was this a Accidental Outbreak of a Bio-Weapon Created by a Race for a War.  Or was it a Parasite that was Accidentally uncovered.

So i was pondering, was the Pilot trying to escape some horrors but got infected, or was he attempting to drop the Parasite but got infected....  I worked somewhat on it but abandoned it as well it was becoming a bit Space Jockey Incident meets indeed Body Snatchers.

@ Matthew Jarjosa

I have to agree to a degree.....  Prometheus did not do as well as expected, Financially it did well, but it had a lot of criticism and FOX had taken a look at this.....    And plans was going forwards with a Prometheus 2 but they had problems working on a Draft, because of the Scope of the Plot.  

Then Blomkamp put out his ideas and it started to get the Fanboys who had picked Flaws with Prometheus excited, so FOX looked at the increasing interest in Blomkamps Alien 5, compared to the critics of the route Prometheus was setting up.  And FOX decided that maybe indeed stepping away from the Xenomorph in Prometheus was a mistake in hindsight and so this caused a change of direction with Alien Covenant.

Blomkamp did provide some thought for the Fanboys to get excited about, and ultimately its FOX who should have just RAN with Ridley Scotts Plans.

Certainly i did forget to mention that many replicants were Engineered to have greater Physical Characteristics than Humans.

Regarding David and Vickers and the Engineer, with the Engineer we can assume they are Physically very Strong and could easily snap a Synthetics Neck, i would say they could Snap the Neck of a Replicant with just as much ease.  With Vickers i think we need to look at if David was not expecting the push then Vickers only Resistance would be her Strength vs his Weight which if i can remember was 170lb mark.

The Marketing for David did mention he was stronger and faster than a Human, i think on this subject when looking at the Replicants and LV-223 Engineers i think it is possible those LV-223 Engineers were Genetically Engineered to be more Superior  Physically than those found on Planet 4

@Andrew1975,

Zeta II Reticuli was probably chosen because of its popularity among UFO fanatics. It being a real system only adds to the movies effect. Just because A movie has connections to something in reality, doesn't necessarilly mean they are duty bound to relate as such accurately. Texas Chainsaw Massacre claims to be "based on a true story", when in reality it is inspired by the evidence of cannibalism found at US serial killer Ed Gein's home. The Fourth Kind claims the same, even stating that Mila Jovovich is portraying a real psychologist, yet two seconds on Google reveals the "psychologist" is just another actress and the movie is based on testimony from alleged alien abductees. 

As I mentioned in my reply, no reason was given why the colonists did not find the derelict or why the company did not make them. so lets us in-movie evidence to come up with an answer - in Alien it is said that LV-426 is tiny with a rotation of two hours. As the Nostromo land's it does so on the dark side of the moon. When the sun comes up the storm abates, suggesting that the storm covers the dark side of the moon, but because the moon rotates this storm traverse the moon every night. Kinda the opposite to what happens on Crematoria in the Chronicles of Riddick. Until such storms are controlled by the atmosphere processor it is likely that they seriously impaired any movement on LV-426's surface.

Hadley's Hope was a billion dollar venture. But in 2179 what is 1 billion relatively. In Victorian England £100 was considered a small fortune, during WWII it was considered a sizeable amount of monies, today it is virtually small change.

Gavin, agreed. 

Andrews, I believe it was clearly inferred that the colonization of Lv-426 was so provide hosts to the Aliens which was the company's biggest interest. That's why Burke gave them the coordinates. 20 years was needed to bring in enough hosts. Infestructure was needed so that the hosts had a place to live and a reason to move their and the installation costs are likely nothing for the company. 

@ Gavin

Since Zeta II Reticuli is a real star system, not a fictitious one, the authors of "Prometheus" should have bothered to check whether the system has planets or not. 

As to your remark "The company wanted specimens of the Xenomorphs; the colonists were never meant to survive" I refer to the reply I have given above to the comment of Critter5. The assumption that Weyland Yutani established the colony on LV 426 with a sinister purpose is pure speculation.

All my thoughts and observations are strictly based on information provided in the movies. I disregard all information that is provided elsewhere. 

Thank you so much BigDave for filling this topic.

"Au Revoir Shoshanna"

@ Critter5

Please forgive me for being so outspoken but your comment doesn't make sense. At the time of "Aliens" (2179) the colonists have been living on LV 426 for more than 20 years. This is mentioned during Ripley's hearing at the beginning of "Aliens". The colonists didn't discover the derelict spacecraft by themselves. They found it only after Burke sent them an order to check some coordinates. You seem to think that the Company colonized LV 426 hoping that the colonists would be infected by the parasites. If such a plan existed, why didn't the Company do anything to bring about an infection immediately or soon after colonization? Besides, the colony is hugely expensive, a multi-billion dollar investment. Do you really think that Weyland Yutani would spend so much money and then wait for years and even decades, hoping that the colonists will someday somehow stumble upon the derelict spacecraft?

Andrew, LV-426 does have an atmosphere, just not a breathable one. Look at the clouds in the picture you posted.

@ Andrew1975,

The information in the OP is sourced from Xenopedia. Most fans and especially general audiences believe the two moons, LV-426 and LV-223 to be orbiting Calpamos due to their distance from earth both being 39 light years away, and both containing evidence of the Engineers/Xenomorphs. Prometheus didn't prove or disprove this belief. Being a work of fiction, the writers didn't bother to check whether Zeta II Reticuli had a Gas giant with three orbiting moons.

As for your comments regards the colonization of LV-426 - Colonists not discovering the derelict is never addressed, so make up your own mind. Why LV-426 and not LV-223 - reason #1, The company wanted specimens of the Xenomorphs; the colonists were never meant to survive. The exec's on the board either didn't know about SO-937, or were pretending to not know. Reason #2 LV-223 hadn't been imagined yet.

Like Mark Hamill said, "its just a movie".

Andrews, LV426 was picked for colonization because the Company knew the derelict ship with the parasite eggs were there. 

Hallo Gavin,

my comment refers to the first paragraph of your post.

It is a widespread error to assume that LV 223 and LV 426 are moons orbiting a planet (a gas giant named Calpamos) in the Zeta Reticuli star system.

According to Wikipedia, Zeta Reticuli is a binary star system/double star without planets. As of today, no planets orbiting the two stars of Zeta Reticuli have been discovered. Zeta Reticuli is close enough to earth to be visible with the naked eye from the southern hemisphere in very dark skies.

In "Prometheus" it is never explicitly stated or shown that Zeta Reticuli is the destination of the mission. During the briefing Holloway shows an unnamed star system that consists of a single sun orbited by several planets. This cannot be Zeta Reticuli.

LV 223 and LV 426 are not in the same star system, they don't orbit the same planet. LV 426 is located "just short of Zeta 2 Reticuli" (according to Lambert in "Alien"). LV 223, the destination of the "Prometheus" mission, must be located somewhere else.

If LV 223 and LV 426 were close to one another, if they were moons orbiting the same planet then it would be strange that LV 426 is chosen for colonization in the middle of the 22nd century while LV 223 remains uncolonized. LV 426 has no atmosphere, hence the need for an atmosphere processing station ("Aliens"). LV 223 has an atmosphere and even primitive organic life ("Prometheus"). It is therefore more suitable for colonization. Furthermore, it would be stranger still that LV 426 is colonized while neighboring moons remain unexplored. We can safely assume that all planets, planetoids and moons of a given star system are carefully explored (with technical means or even by human expeditions) before one of them is chosen for colonization. If LV 223 were located in the vicinity of LV 426, it would be explored at the same time as LV 426, and the abandoned installation of the engineers and maybe even the remains of the "Prometheus" would most probably be discovered. But at the time of "Aliens" (2179) mankind has no knowledge of engineers and xenomorphs. Ripley's report about both is met with incredulity during the hearing in "Aliens". When she mentions a "derelict spacecraft" nobody is astonished and bothers to ask questions. The members of the commission seem to think that Ripley is talking nonsense. This means that LV 223 and LV 426 are not close to one another and that after the disappearance of the "Nostromo" mankind has had no further encounters with engineers (living or dead) and xenomorphs, at least no encounters that became common knowledge. The colonists on LV 426 didn't even discover the engineer spacecraft themselves although at the time of "Aliens" they had been living on the moon for over 20 years.

Back to the main point- we never knew the true nature or origin. It was a mystery to ponder and most people were fine with that. Similarly, the Alien franchise would do well to leave some mystery. These days it seems many want everything explained to the finest detail thus destroying any mystery and leading to more questions that probably cannot or will not be explained in a reasonable amount of time in movie form.

Oh, I agree, remember at the end it was attempting to build a spacecraft to leave Earth. It had no intention of wiping out mankind, even though it had the capability to do so.

I am reminded of a short story of The Thing a member alerted me to a long time ago- I cannot recall the title. It was written from the thing's POV. It was interesting and left the reader with some understanding and even a sympathetic view of the thing.

For me, the prequel was a cross between the 1982 remake and the 1951 original, but was completely unnecessary as we learned its fate in the 1982 movie (even though the Norwegian camp was just the remnants of the burnt set of the American camp). And I still hold to this day that a sequel should be done which leads into The Invasion of the Bodysnatchers.

But ironically, I may have just (maybe, it is a theory after all) removed all mystery about the Space Jockey in my latest thread The Third Moon And Its Relationship To The Xenomorph.

The prequel sucked if you already saw the 1982 version- it was essentially the same movie. The PS2 game was so so for its time but neither gave real origin answers.

dk

Yes but you did have a lackluster game-sequel and a prequel/remake which fared as they did...

BigDave

Why not Del Toro? He has the interest in lovecraftian nightmares and he cares about his work. Instead I'm curious how the Cameron produced Alita Battle Angel will perform in July, but if it is a big hit as an AI movie will surely influence the Covenant sequel.

Well i think O'Bannon and Giger need the most Credit,  RS just put there ideas and design to good effect.

O'Bannon brought us a unique Alien Life Cycle.... HR Giger gave us a design to bring O'Bannons Alien to the Screen with something like we never saw before..

Getting the Monster Design was Key... HR Gigers Design was so iconic, i think it was done differently it could have had a great effect in making Alien just a typical B-Movie.

We need only look at the Original Predator Design..

Which is not to bad.... it could fit in the Alien Universe as a alternative kind of Engineer Created Monster.

But when we look at the Design they went with for the Final Predator Design and how Iconic this was, we have to ask WHAT IF they gave us that Original Predator Suit as worn by Van Damme? 

And then appreciate without Gigers Art, our ALIEN Monster in ALIEN could have looked like this.

I will add Peter Jackson can explore the Fantasy Genre but keep it more serious, i would hands down love to see a Peter Jackson and Tarantino do a Alien Movie

Lets hope DISNEY realizes it needs content to compete with Netflix and Amazon etc, and Alien and Predator offer them something more different more Adult, than the Superhero and Family Popcorn flicks they have...  I think Star Wars was DIFFERENT it was a Family Movie but quite a Serious Adventure... if was after the DVD versions came out when they added extra CGI and stuff they added what i feel was too many Goofy, elements that you expect from a Shrek Movie, but made Star Wars less Serious.

The above some unnecessary changes, and Sadly this continues with the Prequels, with Ja Ja etc...

And The Last Jedi again takes this even further to the realms of Shrek!!!!

So Alien and Predator gives Disney some different content, and they need to NOT make changes to the Franchise to make it more Kiddy Friendly, IF Disney realize this Alien Content offers them something different then they could do well with it.

I think a Problem is and this is what RS will agree, we have a NEW Generation, the Golden 60's, 70's and 80's has gone...  a lot of writers seem to be stuck from the 90's and Power Rangers Era... these younger Generation cant Write Serious Movies for £$%"£%^£ or some older ones now Cater for this Younger Post Dawn of Every Home Internet Generation.

What i mean is a lot of Franchises are just becoming a bit Cheesy, Goofy etc... the JJ Abrahams Star Treks i felt was a Farce to a degree.....  I have heard someone complain about The Predator and they claim if The Last Jedi upset Fans of Star Wars, you wait until you see The Predator.

Its Rare we get something serious now....  it appears Movie Companies think everyone wants more Guardians of the Galaxy and Spider Man...  instead of X-Men and Iron Man.

I hope Disney try to keep any ALIEN movie it makes which it will eventually make, lets hope they keep it more serious.

I covered this before....

Star Trek, and Star Wars?

Star Trek is about exploration of the Cosmos, going to place never visited before, Strange New Worlds, meeting various Alien Species, some Hostile....   Star Trek pits Humans against other Alien Races, sometimes working with other Alien Races.

Star Wars, was more a Story about the Force and Skywalkers... it did however introduce many Alien Races, and the Main Antagonist in the Franchise was the Sith and the Empire/New Order as far as Storm Troopers and this Empires Agenda for Domination, but it started from Clones, a Defensive Weapon Created to deal with the AI threat of the Separatist Droid Army

The Alien Franchise CAN NEVER match these, not just based on following only the Xenomorph, Mankind facing the Threat of Rogue AI Synthetics and Xenomorphs would not make a Star Trek or Star Wars, following Ripley is kind of like a Star Wars, but i think making the Franchise about Ripley like Star Wars was about Skywalkers to me would not really work.

PROMETHEUS.... however opened the Door to HUGE Scope... The whole Creation and Engineers ARC offers Endless possibilities,  So did the Engineers just appear as a Ancient Race who Created Mankind, then Created the Bio-Weapon Vases that David then created the Xenomorph from?

Do we have...

Humans (from/on Earth)

Engineers (from Planet 4/LV-223)

Synthetics created by the Company

Xenomorph created by Synthetics..

Do these make a Star Trek/Star Wars Universe?

NOPE.... but do we know if Earth was the only Place the Engineers Created Life, do we know if Planet 4 and LV-223 are the only places the Engineers are?  What other Horrors can the Black Goo Create and what Horrors went into its Creation?

So indeed if the Engineers are Genetic Space Gardeners, and if we wonder who created them, the Scope for many Humanoid Races in the Alien Franchise becomes HUGE and so indeed could be like a Star Trek/Star Wars.

He has made other comments that go against this too though....

He is right about it being hard, you cant set up a ALIEN Prequel to connect to ALIEN and ignore the Xenomorph, but you cant have TWO movies with Xenomorphs running around Terrorizing Colonist, the Xenomorph has to be handled with CARE, there is more chance of Overcooking it if your are not Careful.

Only Fanboys who well would like Popcorn Avatar, Power Rangers type Flicks would be pleased about seeing Xenomorph after Xenomorph, and seeing basically TWO movies that are like a Alien Resurrection and Aliens...  There are other Fans who felt the way the Xenomorph was in ALIEN was unique and different and once we decided to showcase him off too much it lost its appeal... its COOL, but its not Scary anymore.

so you have to try something else, but then as your doing a Prequel, you cant ignore the Xenomorph, it has to be used well.

Interesting, indeed RS said he would want to explore AI more, and who knows if we cant rule out more Walter Models, David indeed tried to get Walter to join him, but Walter was more committed to Duty to the Crew and was concerned and had knowledge of the David model Short Comings.

HOWEVER.... We cant rule out the Covenant has more than one Synthetic?  For such a Large Scale Mission, that has 2000 colonist, plus embryos, setting up a Colony would be a Large Task, and the Meet Walter Viral Marketing shows that Walter Models can be programed to perform many roles...  For a Colony Mission would taking ONE Synthetic be ideal, as they are very USEFUL Tools.

EVEN IF... there is just one Walter, would such a Mission not take Spare Parts to Repair and Maintain this WALTER?

We need to look at Fassbender, can you see him return in a sequel that would be more about AI and play the role of a One Handed Android?

IF David intends to turn all those Colonist into Eggs, then a Extra Hand would help and i dont mean as in another Synthetic but who knows, but i think David would want to repair his missing Hand.

More so if we consider David may plan to Charade to the Colonist as Walter, and offer a cover up to what happened on Planet 4, and David/Walter appearing Damaged would raise Questions.

So its interesting to ponder what would happen on route to Origae-6, i find your post interesting...

My ideas for AC actually has a Prologue where we shall see David Re-Build a Walter from Parts and then Transfer his Soul into this Walter and get Rid of David, so that NOW David can fully Charade as Walter and a Walter with no signs of Damage, a Walter where the Colonist can inspect him and notice he is a Walter Model as there had been some Advancements since David.

I truly think we will see David Transcend his Soul into a Walter Model in the next movie.

BigDave

"Psychically like a Human its only Emotionally where they are different" well that is true only for Dick's novel. In Blade Runner, some of them are extra strong, cold resistent and it might be that they have some healing "factor", while emotionally they are very human like (Batty loving Pris, Deckard Rachael, etc...), in other word's as Dick himself put it they are SuperMen. While David looks like a human, eats, has his hair grow, walks like a human (at least in Prometheus, but he stutters in AC), and with the evidence he has no superhuman level strength (easily pushed around by Vickers, his head was easily ripped off by the Engineers, and Ash was not abnormaly strong in the original).

@Timmy

Exactly....

I think people need to read into Ridley Scotts comments and they can see what he was trying to do, people can blame him for AC, but i think we need to look into his comments over the years more, and he is either bonkers and has Split Personality with TWO different contradicting ideas... or indeed he was keeping FACE value to please FOX.   Ridley Scott had said about Prometheus and how it was not connected to Alien, that the idea was to provide loose connections, but to explore something more than just the Xenomorph and Space Jockey, he felt you had to keep some Mystery and he felt after Prometheus there would be enough for people to make the connection without it having to be Spoon Fed...

Because we need to remember, how do they Spoon Feed the Space Jockey Ancient Event, in a movie and a Time-Line where Humans would maybe not play a large part...  Have the Engineers and LV-223 outbreak explored and what give us Subtitles to the Engineer dialog?  Ridley Scott and FOX felt that exploring the Engineers and other themes was more important,  and a Direct Alien Prequel with Human Explorers in the same Century of Alien would lead to a more Recent Event....   

So Prometheus explored something a bit more different but gave clues, and then RS even in Interviews then explained the whole Space Jockey Event, but keeping it ambiguous only as far as showing us it was connected to LV-223 Outbreak but ambiguous to it being either  a few hundred years prior which means those experiments and Mural etc in Prometheus was a result of Re-Engineering the Eggs, or it being a event a few hundred years after the Outbreak, which means the Xenomorph was a result of those Experiments/Mural

Ridley Scott felt the beast had been done, cooked and decided that directly spoon feeding it back would not be needed and a Prometheus Sequel would start to drift further away from Alien....   BUT THEN... and we need to REMEMBER THIS there was a Backlash with Prometheus, so FOX felt that they needed to actually make the Prequels now Directly give and lead up to the Answers of the Xenomorph, HOW/WHEN/WHY and how they ended up on the Derelict...  but by going a Spoon Fed Route could have altered the Time-Frame to make it a Future event after Prometheus...    So they indeed began this with Alien Covenant, i think RS was disappointed about not being able to EXPLORE the path he wanted...  and he maybe bargained  with FOX to at least allow him to keep David as a important Character and then throw in that Curve-ball about him being the Creator?

You see it appears RS felt the Franchise had Cooked that Beast, Turned a Monster (who he felt was more than a Monster) into a Space Bug, and so i feel RS lost interest in the Xenomorph, and felt the REASONS for Creating the Xenomorph and the whole Space Jockey/Engineer Arc was more important to Follow as this was FRESH it had never been covered before.... not like the Xenomorph that had been cooked with a Apple in his Mouth (so RS had said).

We can clearly see this was what RS was on about, with his comments after AC like how he felt with Prometheus he felt he was ahead of the Game, and once again mentioning the Xenomorph has nearly ran its course, you have to do something different, and about how there is only so much Face Pulling and Chest Bursting you can do.....

We also have to remember the Marketing to AC and RS saying "the fans want Aliens, ill give them F-ing Aliens" to me this shows me RS was not a fan of the route they are taking compared to his Prometheus 2 envision.

The Problem thats upset fans, is the use of the Xenomorph, but maybe RS intended this as a F-U to the Xeno, so he can then be like.... see i gave you Xenomorphs, right in your Face (out of the dark) and did it make a Great Movie.... NOPE!  but who knows if this was what he was doing?

The other Problem was the David creator of the Xenomorph, but this follows the Themes he was setting up with Prometheus, about Creation and Creator would create and his Creation would turn out not as planned become Rebellious and then Sub-Create and how this continues...   so if we are creations by the Engineers, who created them?  I think RS was to explore that the Hierarchy of Creation does not start with the Engineers and the Source i had in Feb 2015 said the Hierarchy of Creation does-not start with the Engineers and it does-not end with David, and thus it appeared we would find out more about the LV-223 Engineers what their role was and who created them.... while also seeing David Create something himself.

But he had to make changes to please Fanboys and make AC and so i think the David Re-Creating something had then been evolved into David actually Creating the Xenomorph...