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A reboot would be cool...They enter the derelict walking on the ceiling and they have to look up to see the Space Jockey! See it hanging from the ceiling/floor 40 meters above Dallas and crews heads....They might have to climb up to get a better look........*WHAM*...... Facehugged!
No quite, most likely in real life it would have disintegrated on impact, or at least damaged. But judging how the physics work around the ship as seen in Prometheus, anything goes.
joylitt- All the article really says to me is "Get off my lawn".
I'm okay with this.
Questions for 2018:
IF the derelict on LV426 crashed....Why was it laying perfectly flat? It had a 50% chance of being upside down....Or at least at some odd angle. If I was set designer and wanted to show a 'crashed' space ship, I would show the set at a slant, making it obvious to the audience that the ship crash landed. Making it hard for the explorers to navigate the Juggernaut.....(obvious this was 1979 and they were just building a set on the floor of warehouse and weren't thinking about such things)
Why was Ash kept a secret from the crew of the Nostromo?!
I’d like both but if pushed to choose, it would be Blomkamp. He clearly has a passion for the series and the fact he is a ‘fan’ shouldn’t be seen as a negative - it means he is more likely to create a film which will appeal.
As for folk slating Blomkamps resume, each of his three films pulled in good returns in respect of their budget - something Covenant with an established brand couldn’t do. And further more, both District 9 and Elysium were top notch in my opinion. Chappie is the weakest of the three however it’s not a bad film. And in fact, it had the effect on me when watching of sadness that humanity would corrupt and abuse the technology/gift the way they did to Chappie.
red0guy I am just crossing my fingers he finds the right script. The "under budget and on time" motto works only when you have the right material. It has to be something that makes everybody happy, including the studio, so there is no interference on their behalf.
Look, because of his age this might have been Scott's last chance to make something unique. And he choose to be a business man not an artist and to be "under budget and on time." and planned for endless sequels.
And Disney has no new ideas !
If only the narrative thread of the prequels was written with the clarity and certainty of the excellent lead article .
Is Alien Covenant an excellent film that was misunderstood at the Box Office. No :-
1) It was not a satisfying sequel to Prometheus.
2) It was not a successful remake of the first films structure.
3) It certainly would not satisfy ALIENS fans.
After that you get into perceived weak protocols, disengaged characters (actually the problems to many) and the construction of the suspense. I think the creature was portrayed as high camp (They say they want Aliens I will give them ....ing Aliens).
That said the excellent Bladerunner 2049 was loved by my generation, bombed and had not a millennial in sight in my viewing. I think a Prometheus 2 could have been astonishing .... and bombed.
So Disney may look at the Scott philosophical side of the equation and .... ignore it. They may look at the pulse rifles, nam, regular characters of A's and the inner fan boy needs and .... ignore it.... and after a very long pause with new minds new ideas bring back the universe in a fresh way that speaks to the millennials. If I was the money I would opt for the latter. I miss Prometheus 2 and the search for our creea-tors as David calls it but the rest is of no interest and in the meantime I can dwell on the rich imagery, symbolism and meaning of BR2049 when it emerges on Blu Ray.
dk I Don't think Bloomkamp has done absolutely anything to try to derail RS plans for the Alien franchise. Are some people in this forum upset that he even dared to show some of his concept art?... we have to remember that Ridley Scott himself was going to be the executive producer of Alien 5. All of the drama with the Alien franchise leading to its maybe cancelled status is Ridley's own doing. Let's just take a look at some of his latest comments: http://observer.com/2017/12/ridley-scott-rips-lucasfilm-star-wars-the-last-jedi/
In this article he seems to blast younger directors and he advertises himself with these words: “You can get me for my fee, which is heavy, but I’ll be under budget and on time." Not one word about stamping his personal vision, not one word of originality nor audience satisfaction.
Gavin Agree- it could tie to Alien and be done and leaving some ambiguity, things for us to ponder and debate, would be a good thing. It might be possible to wrap things up if Disney might allow an additional 30 minutes of run time in the theater. AC, although very good, might have brought in more income if so much material didn't get chopped for time's sake.
@ Joylitt,
The David origin angle for Ridley's next movie suggestion was for the previous article only. There are many ways the third prequel could go, here's half a dozen...
#1 - David vs Engineers vs Weyland-Yutani "War of the Worlds"
#2 - Davids origin story
#3 - Post Aliens/Resurrection Ripley travels to Origae-6
#4 - Paradise, using the neutrino blast to retcon Covenant out of continuity and give fans the original sequel (days of future past style)
#5 - The third moon orbiting Calpamos
#6 - Shaws story between Prometheus and Covenant
As for sequels post-Alien, there are almost infinite possibilities, many of which don't require retconning Alien 3 out of continuity, and as fans, we have probably each imagined at least half a dozen of those possibilities based upon what we have each taken from the franchise personally.
@ drop your linen,
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@ Batchpool,
A very fair and valid point. When Ridley said Covenant was made as a reaction to the backlash Prometheus received on social media, we all assumed comments made here, on AvP Galaxy on the HISHE video. Blomkamp's release of his concept art could be another factor and would deepen the metaphorical pissing contest between the two directors over who should lead the Alien franchise.
@ BigDave,
Showing support for Ridley is commendable, and admittedly the guy has, although probably not in the way he intended, rejuvenated interest in the franchise through continually polarizing the fanbase. And while I am not necessarily advocating Blomkamp to take over, do we really need another prequel? Do we really need to be spoonfed where the space jockey and all the eggs came from? Isn't ambiguity and mystery a better option moving forward?
Batchpool I usually make brief comments but I need to respond since a lot happened not long after Prometheus was released.
Those are good observations. At the time, I recall then Prometheus 2 was not sounding too great to many fans- at best, things sounded vague. I felt frustrated when I got the vibe that Prometheus 2 would not tie into Alien as I interpreted it to be right around late 2012/2013. When the Alien 5 idea came out, it was exciting and I was among those rooting for it. In hindsight, I have since flipped flopped and want to see RS connect to Alien before anything else happens.
I am not sure the blame lies squarely on Bloomkamp. It seems FOX noticed and reacted to fan feedback back then and presssured RS to bring back the beast. FOX could have said- No, we will let RS do his thing. We all know how things played out.
I still like Bloomkamp's idea as long as it wouldn't mess with the established canon that is A3 and AR. He could still do a really good movie by possibly making a hybrid of Alien 5 and Alien Isolation. This could tell a story and possibly spread out WITHOUT ruining established canon.
Good points Batchpool, I agree with you.
Ridley Scott is the first one.
At this moment in time I am at a point where someone may detect some blood in my alcohol stream, and I am capable of fully recharging a nicorette.
I often read through many posts, ideas and proposals, but I lurk in the background most often due to limited availability of time to compose appropriate responses.
Well tonight’s your lucky night! Grab yer coat cos you’ve pulled!
I personally hold Neill Blomkamp totally responsible for the underperformance of AC. ( Let that sink in for a few moments of your time)
Right now Neill is doing his Oats Studio stuff and going though some transitional stage exploring new ideas like how to create a good script that can make money on the same level as Ridley Scott, that is also effective over the duration of a full length feature film rather than an affect movie short that only You Tube reviewers will praise, and lets face it there are those reviewers who are all horn and no driveshaft anyway.
Momentarily I have to just put my head in my hands and like the Swedish chef from the Muppets utter Porg! Porg! Porg! For no reason whatsoever.
So down to business. I‘d like to say with a clear head, but knowingly know I have already undermined this premise to a certain degree. Any suggestion of Neill Blomkamp doing an Alien movie may sound a great idea after viewing District 9, but what has followed does not really prove he can pull in the big bucks. Elysium was a great effort, and somewhat under rated in my humble opinion, But I feel that Neill should be treated as a director that has not really hit the mark just yet, but is capable of doing so.
The only problem with having an alcohol induced event is that cold, left over lasagne becomes a massive distraction, hence this highly informative and somewhat irrelevant sentence, so for any further information please read again.
Finally, I will actually get to the point.
Everything was going great after Prometheus. Yes, there was some division amongst fans, but it was a great movie that was supposed to be pre Alien. I think some people missed some basic clues there. The word alien was not in the title, and it was a story pitched prior to alien. That sort of thing should really send out some big clues, like no xenomorph. The clue is in the title is it not?
Prometheus pulled in a tidy penny and everyone was happy. Everyone that is except good old Neill Blomkamp. Sat there looking for his moment to pounce with his riding on the wave of District 9 ego. He must have felt like a God until he produced Chappie.
And then the unthinkable happened. Just as RS was trying to create a whole new universe, Neill decides to share what he thinks was a great idea with the world.
Lets not really do anything new, lets just regurgitate old tropes and throw a different spin on it all by introducing some clever aesthetics that went down well with District 9 fans. Suddenly, RS is forced to deliver a product in the form of AC that regurgitates old tropes.
Well thanks for that Neill you great big blabbermouth. How about letting people finish their projects in hand, before interjecting and derailing what could have been a more original movie from RS.
So where does this leave us all now, thanks to Neill’s premature actions?
Let RS finish the job.
"The Answers are in HR Gigers Concept Works.... and the Question, WHY are/would Bald Humanoid looking beings Self Sacrifice themselves for various Xenomorph related Organisms to Procreate and Spread? WHY?"
Well that is the most interesting question for me too, but sadly neither of these movies would explore. Sir Scott's next movie will be most likely the fall of David and just that. So sincerely, on what we know now, neither movie is very compelling (nor is a reboot).
I also would like to see both movies. However, Ridley Scott's one shouldn't be David's origin story, as Gavin seems to suggest. I strongly believe that the focus on David in "Alien Covenant" was due to the fact that he was the strongest character in Prometheus, and because the rest of the sci-fi elements in the script were so bland and unoriginal. I think David's being overused was more like a filler: he functioned as a contrived villain. Ridley Scott needs to continue to expand on his story: downsizing is not a choice right now. The Engineers need to be redeemed: they cannot be just some dumb dudes annihilated by the sub-creation of their creation. That is just lame and nonsensical.
Indeed thats interesting IRaptus and its something i covered in my Xeno Eggs/Cabbage post from over a year ago, where a Cabbage (cabbage patch looks like the Xeno Eggs on the Derelict) can Clone Itself from dead Material, a Cabbage thus never dies, it regrows...
When RS said the Xenomorph in AC killed by the Lander would Regenerate, this sounded a bit Stupid, but not if from its Genetic Material Egg Spores Grow and so the Neomorph route you describe fits this.
As for the Deacon, it was kind of Fan Service, but it was more so the peice of the PUZZLE to show how the Xenomorph was connected, it was saying "look this crap the Engineers have been storing and experimenting on in those Vases, under certain circumstances creates a Hybrid Face Hugger that creates a Hybrid Xenomorph"
Thus showing the Black Goo is connected to the Xenomorph, the Xenomorph either was the Origin of what came in those Urns or it was a Evolution of something that came from those Urns, or the Xenomorph and the Black Goo Share another Common Ancestor.
The clues were there...
RS then even told us the Xenomorph Originated from LV-223 but this event (Space Jockey) was a within a few hundred years of the LV-223 Outbreak, while this is Ambigious...
It left TWO answers.
1) The Xenomorph was something taken to LV-223 that lead to the Mural and Experiments that became the Black Goo. And thus a few hundred years after the Derelict the Engineers had killed themselves off by experimenting on those Eggs.
2) The Xenomorph Evolved from something that happened after the Black Goo Outbreak.
But alas... Prometheus was not Spoon Fed so FOX decided to Spoon Feed it only thrown in the David Curveball.
The Neomorphs, Deacon were all decent, they just never had the same hunting and killing effect that we saw in Alien...
BigDave you are correct on that for sure! The Deacon was more of a fan service for Prometheus and is thus a loose end and a enigma.
To me the Neomorph's have potential as a future antagonist to offer a different perspective to the Xenomorph as a predator. The classic Xenomorph is indisputably an apex predator. A pure hunter and killer.
The Neomorphs can offer a different and fresh threat that compliments the Xenomorph. Acting more as a meso-predator the Neomorph can be more of a chaotic pack-hunter rather than the formidable but solitary hunter Xeno.
But the big difference I have proposed a few times is a new dangerous reproductive cycle. When a Neomorph dies their cadavers could produce spore pods rendering any Neomorph death a new threat and a contaminated environment. Much like the Xeno acid, even in death they pose a threat. In essence Neomorph are shock troopers. They invade, sow chaos, break defences, and then every time they die they have a new foothold to invade from.
The Question we ULTIMATELY have to ask is what is ALIEN about ALIEN?
Ripley? Nope.. but her Story was interesting and came to the ideal conclusion in Alien 3
The Xenomorph? Yes, but after Alien 3 it needed something Fresh, which AR attempted but it had to Shoehorn Ripley back into it...
The Company? Nope!
The Space Jockey? 100% YES, but the way it was dealt with was flawed, and AC further toned down the Alien-ness of the Space Jockey... David Creating the Xenomorph is on one hand interesting but on another tones down the Engineers and makes them less ALIEN.
The Answers are in HR Gigers Concept Works.... and the Question, WHY are/would Bald Humanoid looking beings Self Sacrifice themselves for various Xenomorph related Organisms to Procreate and Spread? WHY?
These beings did not appear ALIEN enough.... but the Question WHY could become something very Sinister and ALIEN
I think we cant avoid the Xenomorph, now they attempted to showcase HOW and WHEN and WHY they have to carry though... i personally think the Universe is bigger than the Xenomorph which is no more to the Engineers than Mankind discovering Gunpowder and then Evolving Weapons based on this.
Its why i think what can a Blomkamp Alien 5 add? Answer NOTHING... A AVP Reboot would be better than a Resurrect the Queen and Ripley and Piss all over the prequels and Alien 3/Alien R
I think this rumor stems from prior to any Disney Take Over....
Prometheus started to answer the Questions to the Space Jockey, Derelict and Cargo but changed from Alien Engineers by keeping the focus on the broad Plot as far as Engineers/Space Jockey and Reasons for the Creation of Bio-Weapons to be used on Mankind, they toned down the Xenomorph feeling it did not need Spoon Feeding or seeing Xenomorphs and Eggs, and chose to introduce more of Weylands Personal Agenda and the Questions Dr Shaw wants with Davids Arc more.
Backlash because this was setting up Dr Shaw attempts to find Engineers for her answers, while David makes some Covenant with Shaw to then double cross her for his own Agenda, and explore the Engineers and Philosophy was deemed the wrong direction because it never would have had Xenomorphs and Spoon Fed the exact WHEN/HOW and WHY the Xenomorph and Eggs in Alien came to be.
But this U-Turn proved to be even more disappointing... so FOX are like OK, we started to show the Xenomorph origins, we toned town the Engineers and also Shaws Religious Quest for Answers, we tried to make it about Human Characters thrown into a unsuspecting Hell, showed Xenomorph Origins, tried something NEW to show what the Black Goo could do... and it well BOMBED a bit.
FOX had to ask... was showing the Xeno wrong? was disregarding and tone down the Engineers Wrong? was making David the Creator Wrong? Was we Wrong in not following Blomkamps Alien 5? should we had steered away from Alien and gone with Ridley Scotts Original Prometheus 2 plans?
So many Questions for FOX that they had no choice but to take a break, put things on HOLD and see what the Sales/Reaction to the DVD/Blu-ray Sales and Comments on Extras was to be... then assess where to go next.
Ultimately be the time DVD/Blu-ray sales and reception would come in, the Disney Take Over well FOX potential Sale would have came to light and been another reason to put things on ICE
Can the writers at alien-covenant.com PLEASE stop using the term 'titular xenomorph antagonist' in every post they write!
"Lucifer and Satan are two separate entities"
Indeed, their is a lot if you study all related texts etc, but i dont debate it because well i dont want to upset certain people and BURN in Hell lol
But i keep my TWO cents on those matters to myself, even though we could be talking about nothing more than a Myth. I will say that David has acted totally different to Lucifer/Satan to a degree but i think the Engineers are a decent portrayal of GOD ;)
Why would Blomkamps Alien 5 work? or Fail?
Because Fanboys love Aliens and Miss Weaver thinks Ripley never had a good ending (despite requesting for her to killed off) end of the Day Miss Weaver wants a Pay Check!!! But indeed Xenomorphs are still quite cool if not scary anymore.
Yet what does this offer NEW? can we go a Alien 5, then Alien 6 and keep the same Xenomorphs?
Why would a Prequel to Alien Work/Fail
We need closure, once we opened the Pandoras Box about the Xenomorph especially by going the Spoon Fed AC route, we cant abandon it... It needs a answer, but it needs to also bring in something more ALIEN because and especially since AC the Engineers are no longer as awe inspiring as the Space Jockey.
The Engineers are something to expand upon, the various ways the Black Goo can give us more Xenomorph like Creations etc etc.
The whole David Creation has taken the Prequels to be more about him, than the Engineers and the Biological Warfare and Experiments they had been involved in. The Prequels lacked that ALIEN feel as far as Engineers and Alien like Monsters on the attack.... The Neomorphs, Deacon were all decent, they just never had the same hunting and killing effect that we saw in Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 and so it was more a Alien R.
I think right now the Prequels leaves the following unanswered... Even if we now accept David is the Creator.
*How does David and his TWO Face Huggers lead to Thousands of Eggs, that end up being on LV-426, which by coincidence is close to LV-223 and we can assume is NO-WHERE near Origae-6 and his Creation ends up on a Engineer Ship?
*Is the Derelict the only ship to have attempted to transport Davids creation?
*What becomes of Planet 4 by the time of Aliens or on-wards?
*What becomes of LV-223 by the time of Alien and on-wards?
*What becomes of Origae-6 by the time of Alien/Aliens?
*What becomes of the Engineers and Hierarchy by the time of Alien/Aliens?
*How vast is the Engineers Creations on other Worlds and had they only attempted to use the Black Goo on Earth?
Then we also have to ponder.
*What happened on Earth/the Company between Aliens and Alien R regarding the Synthetic Uprising and Sub-creating the Autons.
*What becomes of Ripley 8 and any Xeno DNA related Experiments or Material never mind Engineer Tech after the events of ALIEN Resurrection?
All of these are potential to be explored...
We need closure to how those Eggs got on the Derelict more than Resurrect Ripley and Eggs and Queens while discounting Alien 3 on-wards.
I have had a bit to drink so please forgive me if i come across the wrong way or ranting ;)
I respect everyone has their own opinion but i think a Blomkamp Alien 5 would be a pile of horse poop lol, well would be no better than The Last Jedi, however Xenos and Ripley could well please Fanboys and make $$$$ and i think this is the route thats likely taken, that ultimately cremate the beast not cook it, ignore the Engineers or make them less significant than Snoke... and just be a Ripley Saga... even spanning a few sequels with her Power Loader and Blue Badge for Parking (UK fans would get the Mobility Joke).
i think Ridley Scott was RIGHT only he had not covered the Xeno link enough, distanced himself too far, to concentrate and set up a BIGGER Plot, then backed down to FOX and Fanboys and disregarded the Bigger Plot to Spoon Feed the Xenomorph but in a way that did it NO justice.
The Franchise is a Mess...
Doing a Blomkamp would discredit Alien 3 and Alien R, give Miss Weaver a ever growing PAY CHECK (who is so over rated anyway). And Overcook the Xenomorph... We need something NEW...
Sadly the Franchise is Split and the ALIEN Universe will always be considered about the Xenomorph.. which to a degree is RIGHT, but then the SPACE JOCKEY is Alien too, and the Engineers had potential.
The Problem now is a case of RIPLEY or DAVID and i just dont think either is the RIGHT path.... the Engineers is the PATH to take IMO
We need Closure and i think if Disney had the BALLS and took the risk, we need a Alien Covenant PT3 that bypasses Part 2 to draw us to ALIEN and we need a ALIEN 5 set after Alien Resurrection, or another Alien movie set Parallel to Aliens in a distant place or visiting Planet 4 or another Engineer World.
i dont think more than ONE more David Movie would work, and i can only see ONE more Ripley movie as being Harmful.
Bloomkamp could give it a go as long as he doesn't mess with A3 or AR. If he can't, he could do an Isolation scenario.
4th option. BigDave is Executive Producer for both projects
Ditto what Ati said :)
I'd like to see both of them, all of them.
I want to see Scott's final chapter of the Alien prequels, and Blomkamp's vision as well.
I want Scott's war movie, and I like Blomkamp's traditional robots very much, so... Disney, give them to us!
joylitt - At this point I can imagine anything...
Since you are a talented, skillful insider scripter and writer, I can imagine that joylitt, red0guy and Daszkowski are controlled by the same person - or belong to the same 'family'... :/
BigDave - 'Money Matters, and for a Disney owned Alien Franchise, i think Queens, Eggs, Xeno's Ripleys and Power-loaders are more interesting for them than David and Engineers.'
Probably and unfortunately you are right again. :/
'Look at the Last Jedi, if this movie only made 1/3rd of what it has, then it could Force them to rethink the direction for the next movie... but as it is doing well Financially, they are not going to be too concerned about how the Plot is basically a injustice to the Original series.'
BigDave - I must agree with you again. The Last Jedi is terrible.
It would have been awesome to see the Lucas version of the sequel trilogy. I hope he will be allowed to direct a SW movie again in the future.
Exactly BigDave! The Disney acquisition has changed everything...
'So yes another ALIEN movie could be made that does not have to discredit the Original Franchise and stays in Canon and not contradicts the Prequels..'
That's totally true BigDave, I agree with you here.
Maybe not only the beast is cooked but the also the Alien formula (too many already) and maybe people did not like David that much, killer AI which there were so many already. So maybe both movies could be commercial failures if they are given big budgets.
For people to like a story you need both a good hero (group of) and a villain. Because Scott shoot himself in the foot by killing everything off, execs would probably like to back now Ripley, but the audience? Sincerly I doubt that and because of these dilemmas a stop and a reboot after a decade or so could be also possible.
If Scott has ideas why does not leak them to compare with Alien 5? Maybe he does not have something convincing.
As is now, I don't care for any of them. They lost me with covenant.
the question arises in knowing what fans really want.
AC has not had great success because the beast is cooked! ok, if this is true then the RS project wins by intelligence, as opposed to Alien 5 which could do the same end as AC.
in my opinion I think there will certainly be repercussions on the sequel AWAKENING, but the project will be due to force majeure, you can not break a chain, without knowing what you are doing.
"Au Revoir Shoshanna"
Scott doesn't want to work with Disney because they will force him to collaborate with his peers. His focus on symbolism would have to be dialed back and that just won't fly with the penultimate creator
this is daneils on earth.
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Not sure if there is a humble bone in ole Ridders. This comes off as smug and just like his straw man arguments regarding the issues of Prometheus. My take is the two writers from Prom were not total lackey's to King Ridley thus it was marketable. Covvy has some interesting stuff but Scott drove that bus SO FAR into the ditch that no Disney Jedi tow truck driver can force it back near the road. The sequel has to come way later with a clean slate. I just don't trust Ridley Scott to make a coherent film that is grounded in what made the franchise great. Sorry for those who enjoyed the film, I'm just at a loss for how misguided I feel RS has become. If he directs the sequel I won't support the box office and many others would be right to not trust him either. Just look at that awesome poster of the engineers & xenos, where is that stuff in Covvy. It was a hollow film that explained nothing
