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It looks interesting, I wonder what that orange thing is?

Cool

I want to see this real bad

Are you really sure those are the engineers/space jockeys? 'Cause they don't look anything like 'em and they ain't got no legs. So, that creature we see at the end of the campaign also doesn't have legs, which makes me think it ain't the engineers. Some folks might argue it's the space jockey, but since Ridley Scott shot down that idea, I wouldn't be too confident about it.

I am now so excited about what the plot will be like. A series of events while Ripley was sleeping. Hope we will get some Jones references :p

I am wondering if we will see the Alien+Aliens vibe of technology instead of Prometheus+Covenant high-tech presentation. 

this is so exciting, we are just 1 year away to have another brand new Alien movie come to life. Hopefully we will get a teaser this year end.   :D

go write your erotic fanfictions somewhere else

Xenotaris Well still find David write at home in an tentacle hentai. Why should we discard the allegory when exactly that is the point ?

ignorantGuy
What the hell are you talking about?

This is not a porno! Rape-allegories aside, one can view the xenomorph in a more naturalist perspective as mere parasitic animals.

Having a nice consensual threesome sex  between an alien, an android, and a human would be pretty new and unexpected by a series with rape monsters and androids. Bet they won't do it.

Damn it, I shouldn't have looked but I wanted to post something new on the Alien Forums

This game is EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Awesome

I need to build up the courage to beat ALIEN ISOLATION. However the xenomorph keeps scaring the crap out of me.

I just wanted to talk about the ALIEN RPG's supplemental lore on the black goo.

The RPG modules: Core Rule Book, Chariot of the Gods and Heart of Darkness adds additional lore bits such as giving a semi-official name to the Planet 4 Xenomorph, called a Preatomorph, in-place of the fan named Protomorph.

The deacon and trilobite are now collectively classified as Protomorphs. Those exposed to the black goo are divided into main categories. Anathemics are based-on Halloway's and Fifield's condition and the other who's name I can't recall at the moment are based on early concept of Fifield's Condition.

I'm hoping the ALIEN TV series is non-canon as far as the film's continuity

I think the xenomorph killed Lambert and Parker in a rushed manner.

Maybe it was going to capture Lambert but Parker interrupted it.

In its agitated state it killed Parker for attacking it.

Now why it killed Lambert shortly afterwards could be a number of factors.

But I think. It heard Ripley was approaching, so it accidentally killed Lambert off why trying to flee with her inside a cramped crevice. The novelization has both Lambert and Parker being stuffed inside of a cramped pipe. So I think the xenomorph just aborted its attempt to eggmorph them.

"They also claim the film will not ignore events established in Ridley Scott's Alien prequels, Prometheus and Alien: Covenant"

Looking at the Time-Frame then the ONLY thing that makes sense that does-not go and Conflict the Franchise is...if the Movie was set after Alien Covenant and its a Response to Davids Advent Message... so WY send a Ship to Planet 4 and they take the Eggs and leave but something Happens and another Human Ship then comes into Contact with this WY Ship.

OPPS.....SCRUB THAT..

My Brain drifted off then.... so we are AFTER ALIEN...

Which means if we ONLY go and Consider the Movies (God knows how the TV Series will Connect).  Then we have EGGS on LV-426 and so you would THINK the Company goes to LV-426 after ALIEN to get Eggs....

The Derelict in ALIENS looked Damaged from a Explosion from Inside... this could be a ATTEMPT to Destroy the Ship.... and so the Movie could TIE into another Visit to the Derelict where the WY Company obtain Eggs and get them onto a Ship before things go to POT....

Then our Gang from this Movie go and Dock with this W-Y SHIP.

But then these Eggs could come from PLANET 4... what becomes of the Remaining Eggs there?

What becomes of David and those Face Huggers? and so LV-426 does-not have to be the ONLY place where the Xenomorph Eggs are Located.

The TV Series will THROW a SPANNER into the Works... being set like 25 Years before ALIEN.... because as of even 2020... we have Ridley Scott indicate that the Xenomorph did-not Exist prior to Davids Shenanigans on Planet 4.

Back to the Original Topic.... we have to look at the FRAMING for a Direct Sequel.  Ridley Scott had said that we will be going where David is going and it will be about WHAT KIND of a WORLD would David Create... he also indicated the Movie would NOT be about the Xenomorph... and that we are (Alien Covenant) 2-3 Movies from ALIEN.

RS then said that there would be a Incoming 3-4 Parties, which ONE will be the Engineers who will arrive at Planet 4 and Discover what has Happened and would be OUT after whoever had Caused this.

Party (1) Engineers, and Party (2) Walter maybe? and (3-4) Incoming Human Ships maybe ONE goes to Planet 4, the other to Origae-6 or maybe one is another Colony Type to Origae-6 while the other is a Military/Scientific.

RS seems to indicate the Engineers arrive (i assume to Origae-6) in the Third Act, but this could be Planet 4 and we see them SET OFF at the END in search of David which SETS UP for the 4th Prequel.

We then have to Consider each Parties Agenda...

a) W-Y: The Company eventually will receive the Advent Message from David (if we assume its Canon). And so they would likely be Interested in what he has done and would SEND a SHIP to Planet 4 (maybe LV-223 too) but i think thats too much so i would assume they go to Planet 4 with a Scientific/Military Ship.... as they kind of KNOW what lies in STORE for them.

It would take them about 11 Months to get to Planet 4 after they have received Davids Message and made a Decision. Meaning (unless the Message is Transited Quicker than the Covenant can Travel and the WY Ships are Faster) a WY Ship would arrive at Planet 4 like about 2 Years after David had left.

The Company may also send a Ship to Origae-6....   which again when we add that David is already say about 10-11 Months closer to Origae-6 then David should have nearly 3 Years on Origae-6 before any WY Ship arrives.

b) Other Humans.... we cant rule out that other Humans would want to Follow in the Footsteps of the Covenant to get away from Earth....

Another Human Ship could had left at any time, and not necessarily after the Company gets the Advent Message off David, or even the Message of David pretending to be Walter.  Another Human Ship could have left Earth, 6 Months, 12 Months, 18 Months after the Covenant left Earth.

Thus another Human Ship could arrive on Origae-6 say 1-2 Years after David had arrived and 1-2 Years before any Military Ship with knowledge of David and what he had BEEN DOING arrives.

c) The Engineers.... RS had said the Engineers come and go to Planet 4 every few Hundred Years.... and some will RETURN to see this World Destroyed....they would want REVENGE.

We have NO IDEA of when they arrive, it could be a Year, Two, Five! what we have to Consider is their Ships surely can Travel Faster than the Covenant and if they arrive while the Covenant is still within say a Year away from Planet 4 then the Engineers could Detect the Ship and GO OUT after it and WELL then David would NOT be getting to Origae-6 and any Human Ships close to Planet 4 when the Engineers Return could also be taken OUT!

We have to Consider what the Engineers would be thinking.... they would notice the Likeness of Human Bodies (but we do not know how many Worlds the Engineers had Seeded Humans on)..... They would maybe have some kind of CCTV from their City or they would see the Wreckage of the Lander... but how would they know WHERE these came from?

They would maybe know there are Humans, and would maybe Find Walter who has a Human likeness and so they would be left to go and VISIT say Worlds where there are HUMANS and to Eradicate us... but its Which WORLD is the Culprit, if the Earth is the ONLY place where they are aware Humans are thats Easy...

But Humans are Alive and well by the TIME we get to ALIEN/ALIENS and so its UNLIKELY the Engineers arrive at Earth..... The ONLY WAY this does-not Happen is.

I) They Discover that David is the Culprit and HEAD to where he is going, but its HOW do they know where he is going.... the ONLY likely answer is WALTER.

II) They suffer Death at the Hands of the Horrors on Planet 4.

III) Some take the Eggs to LV-223 to Experiment on, or take them to Earth/Origae-6 but END UP on LV-426.

The PLOT seemed to suggest our Engineers will FIND DAVID and so WALTER is likely the KEY to HOW they know where David will be.

d) DAVID..... this Part is Ambiguous... IF we see that David wishes to Create more Xenos he would NEED more GOO..... (unless he has some stashed.. he would likely go to LV-223 First)....

IF his Xenomorphs can Procreate as shown in ALIEN/ALIENS then TWO Face Huggers and  SHIP full of Humans in Stasis is Easy for him as LONG as he can Protect himself from the Xenos or Control them....

Ridley Scott however suggests on one hand the Movie would NOT be about Xenos but WHAT KIND of a WORLD would David Create.... its indicated he would GET to Origae-6.

The Advent he referred to his Xenomorph as his Wolf, he makes Reference over the Human  Embryos as his Lambs. He makes note that the Engineers knew you had to give LIFE to the Lamb and the Wolf... but what the Lamb/Wolf are to the Engineers is OPEN for Debate....

We have to look DEEPER into David and the Plots... its about Creation is what Ridley Scott says...... and David had Created his Wolf a Monster he calls Perfect in which he has SHOWN he can Create something BETTER than the Engineers.

I dont think that David will go all the way to Origae-6 to just Create like Thousands of Xenomorphs and nothing ELSE.... he could just go to LV-223 and be there and ON another Engineer Ship and off to Earth to BOMB us before the WY company even get the Advent Message.

He saw the Potential with the Engineers, but also Flaws, he despised Mankind and In-superior and how they Treated him and how we think we are so Important. And yet he did seem a bit Fond of Dr Shaw, he also wanted to Evolve her and Create a New Eden on Planet 4.

And so when looking at RS saying its NOT going to be about Xenos but WHAT WORLD that David would Create.... i think the Human Embryos are KEY and that he maybe is looking to CREATE a Hybrid to EVOLVE those Human Embryos...

I dont think David is Content to go to Origae-6 and Pretend to be Walter a Servant and to HELP the Humans build their Colony.... and Daniels knows who he is and would TELL everyone so he has to Deal with her... if he KILLS her, then HOW does he explain that to Tennessee who may be Suspicious.

David is a Megalomanic, he sees himself as a Creator a GOD.... and so its likely he wants to make his own EDEN where he can Declare himself as Creator and God and be Worshiped....

I suspect he may USE some of the Colonists... to begin to Build the Colony on Origae-6 where he may pretend to be Walter and have some Excuse for the Death of all the Main Crew...... then once he has the Habitat set up.. and Infrastructure i would NOT be surprised if he KILLS the Humans he had awoken...

Then he can Raise those Human Embryos... declare himself as Creator... but i suspect he would EVOLVE them somewhat....... 

The Prequels were about Creation and Knowledge, had Humanity behaved and followed the RULES then the Engineers would likely had been Content with us.... just as GOD was before it came to the Point he had to SMITE US...

A Child/Baby are Innocent, they can be Raised and Influenced into any kind of Believe, Religion or set of Rules/History which could be Fabricated by David. And they may be Evolved a little.... and THESE will be Davids Flock of Lambs.. this would be the KIND OF WORLD that he would Create.

This is HOW i saw the Sequel would go... however if your Creation goes WAYWARD then you Need a Punishment or Deterrent... this is WHERE we will see Davids.... WOLF come into Play.

I made such Theory and Ideas after Alien Covenant in 2017...

How would these Human Children or Hybrids view seeing other Humans especially if Davids Children are Evolved and look different... if these Children see other beings in the LIKENESS of their Creator or even in their Likeness (if they look Very Human) and these Humans make Claims that David is NOT a Creator then this would CAUSE some Conflict....

And what if Walter Returns... or a Incoming Ship has another Walter, and these Children of David then see another being in his Likeness who then INFORM them that THEY (Walter Model) are a Creation of Humans and David is the same then this would PROVE that David is a SHAM! 

They could TURN on him and REJECT him..... in which case David would have to UNDO his Work with his WOLVES.

This is NOT to say this is HOW the Movie would have been... there are MANY ELEMENTS and HOW you could USE them, and when we look at them ALL as i have Detailed then you CANT FIT this into a Movie you NEED like 2-3 Movies.

But i dont think Fans would want such a LONG WINDED way to get to ALIEN it could be... "GET US TO LV-426 ALREADY"

And so THAT... plus how Disappointing that Alien Covenant was... has meant CURTAINS to any kind of Conclusion.

What does this do to those Human Embryos now Children (or OLDER if David can accelerate their Growth/Age)....

Well it depends on HOW you look at its Origins...

As a Engineered Creation (by whoever) then you have THREE OPTIONS.

1) That Various Versions of the Xenomorph are Created which USE like Different ways to Procreate.....

RS had indicated the Derelict had Numerous Cargo Holds and each had something a bit Different... (going on to say it had 8 Variants). If we consider this then the Jordens from ALIENS may have got infected by a Face Hugger from a Different Cargo Hold than what Kane had.

2) The Xenomorph would eventually Evolve into a Queen or a way to Create a Queen.

3) There is just ONE kind of Xenomorph on the Derelict and it USES the Egg Morph to Create a Queen.

If you go for the Xenomorph as a Native Species that is NOT Created then OPTION 3 would be the way to Explain it (if your going to Accept the Ovamorph Scenes).

OPTION 3 makes Perfect Sense..... you see in ALIEN the Xenomorph had Captured just TWO CREW... and so ONE would be Egg Morphed the other would become the HOST for the Face Hugger and then you have....

TWO XENOMORPHS....... but then why not go and use Lambert and Parker to then get you.... THREE XENOMORPHS?

If the Egg Morph Process makes a Queen which can LAY EGGS, then you only need TWO HOST which is ONE for the EGG and the other to Gestate the Queen. This has always for a LONG TIME since late 80's been the way i look at how we have the Egg Morph and the Queen.

Regarding the Black Goo it was something that was Quite Simple to begin with, which then got a little Muddled with the Comics and with Alien Covenant it became some what of a MCGUFFIN....

The Early Conception with say Alien Engineers/Alien Genesis was that we came from the Engineers via their DNA was Imprinted onto us in the Past.

It is Implied this was from the Sacrificial Scene... which in those Drafts was as Follows.

1) Elder Engineers give the Younger Engineer a Black Box, in which there is a Cake of Dark Sticky Material.... from this comes Tiny Scarabs.

2) The Engineer brings this Cake Substance to his Mouth and the Scarabs Swarm him and they Bite the Engineer, they begin to Devour Him (we Zoom into Microscopic Level and see Cells Rapture, Protein and DNA Unravel) The Scarabs fill themselves with the Genetic Material.

3) The Engineer is seen bring Devoured and he takes a Cruciform Pose (like Christ on the Cross) while the Scarabs are eating him from Head down until what remains of his Body just Falls down while it is still being consumed. and then his Body (essentially these what must be Hundreds of Thousands of Tiny Scarabs Eat the Engineer until NOTHING much remains).

4) We then arrive at a Scene of a Primitive Woman... and a Black Scarab arrives and lands on her Neck and Bites her.... INJECTING a Cargo of DNA (when then go to Microscopic Level again and see her Cells are being Changed by the DNA the Scarab has Injected) We then see a External Shot of her with Pupils Dilated with shock, she looks at her Hand and the Scarab then just disintegrates to DUST.

This SCENE implies that these Scarabs can Consume a Organism Molecule by Molecule, and they then STORE this Organisms DNA.  These Scarabs will then go off and Find other Life and INJECT the DNA of the Organism they Consumed into a New Host which will INFUSE the DNA and Create a Hybrid.

The Next Time we see Scarabs is in the Engineer Complex, stored in URNS/JARS...

a) Fifield runs off after Milburn is attacked by a Centipede like Creature, as he runs he then runs into a Resinous Jar and it Breaks, it releases a cloud of Motes that are Tiny Scarabs, and they Swarm him, and he Swats them and Kills some and they Produce a ACID which then allows the Scarabs break into his Helmet Visor and then ONE BITES him.

b) We enter a Microscopic Level again and see ALIEN DNA that Invades his own DNA, similar to what happened to the Primitive Woman.

c) However Fifield is Mutated into a Beast with Elongated Skull, Longer Limbs a Horrific Hybrid, which when its KILLED has ACID BLOOD.

This shows the Scarabs stored within the URNS pass on a ALIEN LIKE DNA there was a Number of Concepts drawn but this Fifield is FAR more ALIEN than we saw in Prometheus.... this SCENE seems to imply these Scarabs had Consumed this ALIEN DNA from something....... which would indicate the Engineers had USED these Scarabs which are essentially a TOOL to Capture DNA from one Organism and PASS this onto another to Create a Hybrid.

So this means the Engineers used this Hybridization Tool on some ALIEN ORGANISM which is likely the Octopus looking Face Huger that infects Holloway in these Drafts. The Result is they take the Scarabs after they consume a Organism and STORE the Scarabs in URNS which are USED to Drop onto WORLDS to then INFUSE the DNA the Scarabs have Stored onto Life on this World a much more Efficient Method than the Engineer Sacrifice.

BARE THIS IN MIND...... as it helps to make sense of PLANET 4 and WHY the Engineers welcomed the Juggernaught... but this is for after.

NOW.... when we get to Prometheus we have the Sacrificial Scene which could imply this is HOW the Engineers DNA got to become US, but RS had mentioned the Engineers do this on Many Worlds and they Return over and over to Continue with such Evolution.

Here the BOX is replaced with a CUP/BOWL and the Black Sticky Cake is replaced by a TAR like Substance that begins to Dissolve into a Liquid.

The Urns we see in the Ampoules is a Black like Substance that looks like as if you had some Ground Coffee in Water or other Tiny Particles..... which when Activated will Mix with the Water/Liquid to Ooze into a Black Slick Oil like Substance.

Prometheus gets a bit Confusing based on its Various Infections...

I) Hammerpede comes from the GOO infecting in Large Dose those Worms the Crew had brought in to the Complex from outside.

II) Fifield becomes a Mutant, his Exposure vs his Size is NOT as High Dose, its keen to mention other Concepts again we see Fifield is LESS HUMAN than we end up with.

III) Dr Shaw is infected by some of the GOO either Evolving some of Holloways Sperm Cells or the GOO itself infects one of her Eggs.  As the Egg Cell is a Base for Life (most Stage 1 Embryos of Life on Earth all look the same/similar) then it has LESS DNA to Re-Write and so the RESULT would be something that has MORE DNA of what the BLACK GOO contained.

IV) Holloway is a Enigma, he only has a Small Dose, which he passes on to Dr Shaw in smaller Dose (or Mutated Sperm) Holloway seems to get unwell and then his Skin Turns Grey..... he is Killed before we see the Full Effect, but RS had said he was suffering the same Effect as Fifield and the Engineers who died just more SLOWLY.

V) EYEWORM... The Eye-worm we saw with Holloway is Interesting and a Puzzle but some of the UNUSED PROPS/EFFECTS we see when Holloway begins to turn GREY we see small Worm like things growing out of his Skin.   These could be his EVOLVED SPERM CELLS..

Or it could mean that the Tiny Scarabs from earlier Drafts had become Tiny Worm like things....

something to NOTE is that Human Sperm Cells may look like Tadpoles under the Microscope but the Collection of Millions of these without just appear as a STICKY GOO.... thats some Food for Thought....  i conclude its likely the Scarabs where replaced by Tiny Worm like Parasites... but the FUNCTION is the SAME.

IF we assume this is CORRECT then the GOO is actually Easy to Understand just as the Scarabs were in the Early Drafts....

So if we took the BASE (Scarabs/Worms) and released them on a WOLF.. then we collected the Scarabs/Worms/Goo after the WOLF has been Consumed and then release these Scarabs/Worms/Goo on a Human you would get a WEREWOLF.

Do the same with a CAT and you get THUNDERCATS... with a Turtle you get TMNT etc.....

Take one of these Werewolves and infect them with the BASE and then collect the Result and release this on the Thundercats and we could Speculate you would have a 25% Wolf, 25% Cat and 50% Human Hybrid.

If we consider such a Theory as Accurate... this basically is WHAT we saw that David was doing on Planet 4, using the GOO in many ways to Take Traits from Various Organisms inc the Neomorphs to make various HYBRIDS.......

This Process seems to be indicated in the earlier Drafts of Prometheus (Alien Engineers/Genesis)...... so you SEE the GOO if we look at it in this WAY is Pretty Easy to Explain and FITS with everything we are shown....

Apart from the Planet 4 Bombardment.... but i have a few Theories on that.

Some of the plotlines to the ALIEN RPG dabbled on the Black Goo side of the franchise.

I know I'm not very good at writing entire paragraphs to explain my thoughts so I tend to write single sentences most of the time.

Indeed... what i was saying was i HOPE they dont try and make any Loose connections to Ripley though.... but i Suspect they will.... but it would be something like the Discovery of her Logs from the Nostromo. Which if its just that then  guess its FINE if it gives reason for the PLOT.

It depends how Imaginative they are..... to me i think we will see this SET on a SHIP where the Humans in Question will arrive and DOCK with a Weyland Ship thats in Space that has Eggs.... i am not sure we will arrive at any Planets. And so we basically could have a Plot like ALIEN/ALIEN ISOLATION.... but where the Eggs are Obtained (well Crew Face Hugged) after Exploring a Abandoned WY Ship in Space.

However then YES we cant RULE OUT either.... a) The Company had been to LV-426 prior to ALIEN and b) They Returned between ALIEN and ALIENS.

FINALLY

7. It seems there is terraforming engine or something inside this buildings, making me think that planet was thriving with life at some point in the past.

Indeed the Complex was Terra-Formed.... while OUTSIDE was Deadly to Humans.... however the Engineers can Survive on the Surface with NO MASK.

Which Begs the Question to WHY is the Complex Terra-formed so Humans can Breath?

Our LV-223 Engineers do-not need their Suits... the Suits likely are like a Bio-Hazard Suit... to Protect from the GOO... (but they still got Infected, i can give a Theory after). They maybe also NEED them for Space Flight.

The Atmosphere on Planet 4 can be Breathed by Humans and those Engineers on Planet 4 lack the like GILLS that the Necks of the LV-223 Engineers under Suits have.

I believe that if we look at the Star Map as NOT a Invitation but showing US that this is WHERE we came from.... thus making LV-223 a Outpost for Experiments and Evolution of Creations where when the Engineers are pleased with the Results they SEND/SEED them in the GARDEN (Worlds) so then LV-223 is a Nursery/Green House.

So the Engineers take their Creations back to LV-223 to then Evolve/Tweak us and then take us back etc.... should any of these Creations (Humanoids) Escape the Outpost they would DIE outside before they can get anywhere.

At some point the Engineers or a Faction had decided they wanted to ERADICATE their Creations and so LV-223 was turned into a Place to Engineer/Create something ELSE.... and these Experiments had lead to their Downfall (the Outbreak).

The NO WEAPONS... Question... if your a Ancient and Advanced Race who Visit and Control every Aspect of your Creations, and keep them to a Primitive Level Certainly like say Mankind like in Ancient Times, then maybe they DONT need Weapons to Deal with us.

When they was Experimenting with the Horrors connected to Xeno, Neomorph etc they would have NEEDED SOME... but seems in HUBRIS they did not.

This does-not mean they do-not have Weapons... the Earlier Drafts that had some kind of Weapon/Power like the FORCE in Star Wars where they could THROW like Invisible Waves of Energy at the Humans.  The Comics gave the Engineers a Energy Weapon/Blaster.... but when dealing with a Ancient and Advanced Race then their Technology/Weapons could be BEYOND what we could Comprehend of be Familiar with......

4. 3 of sleeping engineers had something bursted from their chests - pods are with holes in them.

5. Bodies of engineers seem odd

Ok well Originally some Engineers had given Birth to some Beasts and others Killed by such Beasts....

The Engineer Suits in Prometheus some show they are HOLLOW!

This could be as working on Props then Hollow is Lighter than a Filled Full suit etc.... However if we look at Prometheus... the Engineer Consumed the Goo and his Body basically Disintegrated in a Violent and Volatile Chemical Reaction.........

Ridley Scott had said that eventually Fifield and Holloway would have the same Fate (would have become nothing)...If we assume the Engineers suits are Pressured so they ACT like a Pressured Container.... then assume the Reaction with the GO is so Violent like the Reaction of a Mentho in a Bottle of Cola... they this Volatile Reaction would try to Escape.... this COULD explain the Holes as though the Dissolved Engineers Goo had Exploded from the Suits..

This Explains why the Beheaded Engineers Body/Suit was HOLLOW.... (No Bones).

The Head was Preserved however..............it had NOT like Dissolved, and so IF this is the CASE and lets Assume that Room somehow made the GOO inactive or would STOP it.... this would Explain why the Head is intact and the Body Suit was Hollow.

It would also give a Good Reason for the Engineers to RUN to that ROOM and SHUT the Door Behind them.... the Door Shuts before some could make it. And this could HELP to Explain as to WHY the URNS had ONLY started to Leak once that Door was OPEN and somehow the ROOM Environment was Compromised.

This should Answer most of your Points... again SOME is just Speculation by me based on Various Clues and Comments by those working on the Movie.

3. There is green crystal on the stand, which probably was activated for... Something?

Again another Mystery with NO Explanation... but there was a Reason...

Originally it was the BOWL from the Opening Scene.

Now we see IF this is the SAME CUP.... then its Smaller to the Engineer which roughly by SCALE would mean our Engineer would be 13-14 Foot Tall. The Earlier Drafts and Concept had them at 15ft Tall... revised down to 12ft and then with Prometheus Drafts to 10ft but our Engineers in Prometheus were about 8ft Tall Suited and just under 7.5ft without the Space Jockey suits.

So what likely happened was they SAW this Scale Difference as a Issue and Conflict and so CGI Replaced it with the CRYSTAL.  If they had KEPT the Cup/Bowl then what i said before about WHAT seems to have been going on would make Sense...

Something to Consider... some see the Mural as Xeno and as Engineers God/Worship as its like Christ on the Cross...

Christ is depicted like this to SHOW US that he SACRIFICED HIMSELF for the Greater Good or Mankind/Immortality (Life after Death).  It is my OPINION and Conclusion that the Engineers had Engineered and Created the Mural Organism and saw it as Perfect...

They had then Sacrificed this Creation to Create the STUFF in the URNS for some Great Benefit.... but the Results was NOT as Expected... but when Humanity became a Problem the Result could be USED to DESTROY US... maybe they thought it could SAVE/EVOLVE them...

This Theory does FIT with the Original Idea... the Master Narrative where our Engineers were once like us, they had Engineered and Evolved themselves to LIVE for a LONG TIME.. but they wanted more they wanted IMMORTALITY... and believed they was on the Verge of this..... but they NEVER Achieved it.

The Closest we see to Immortality in the Franchise is via the Xeno-DNA with Ripley 8, she can Regenerate, but she has some of the Memories of Ripley... so the DNA had Transcended some of Ripley  Memories and Soul into Ripley 8

A kind of Re-Incarnation if you would.... this would GIVE a Great Reason for the Engineers Experiments with related Ancestor Organisms.

I can give some Insight to these ;) but do not take what i say as Gospel, the Movie is still pretty Ambiguous and those working on the Project who make the Decisions (Producers, Director, Writers and Powers that be (FOX) etc) as they Pretty much just Change things as they go along... sometimes without Consideration of how it could Conflict stuff.

I will answer each Element as you wrote them.... i will USE like This for when i am referring to comments by those working on the Movie etc.  And normal for my TWO Cents...

1. Buildings with head on them.

These had gone through some Changes... but they were merely to be  Individual Research Facilities. The Engineers like to Show-Off what they Create like say the Ancient Egyptians. The END-PRODUCT like the Elongated Skull at the TOP was more for Dramatic Effect.... Originally ideas were just Engineer Head on them like the BIG HEAD we see in the Ampoule/Urn Room.

The Big Head is just a Monument to the Engineers...... it could be Speculated that it depicts a Specific Engineer of some Importance but could also be just to showcase the Engineers in General.  The Urns are Placed around the Engineer Head to maybe indicate their Achievement.... these URNS do Contain the Pathogen with the Effects we see in Prometheus.  The Basic Intention is these Urns have the Ability to Mutate/Evolve any Organism or Cell they come into Contact with.

2. Murals depict:

a. Engineer with hand that comforts some kind of alien creature.

There has NOT been given much of a Explanation for this.... what little is given is the Engineers like to SHOW OFF what they have Created... with Monuments and Murals and so they are of some Importance... but its NEVER explained. This kind of Birdy Creature as some call it, seems to be in a Fetal Pose, which implies its either (1) Submissive to the Engineer or (2) is New Born.

Its pose is similar to this from the Art Book/Concept.

The ENGINEER has a SCAR like a C-SECTION... like Dr Shaw.. (but this is open to Debate).

However when we look at the MYTHOS of Prometheus... and we look at some of the Murals of the Punishment of Prometheus, which include the ONE above which seems to be Similar to the Mural in Prometheus... just the Birdlike Xeno is Replaced with a Eagle.... i have Speculated that maybe these are Connected?

But nothing has ever been said about the Mural apart from THEY showcase the Engineers Creation while some are Easter Eggs... looking at the Mural in Question and the Prometheus Mythos and Mural ive shown, i can only ASSUME that maybe we could Speculate that a Engineer was Chosen to be a Sacrifice to Create something?  If we look at Dr Shaw and her C-Section could we Speculate that the Engineers could do a C-Section of a Organism before it has CHEST BURSTED!  Maybe... could a Engineer be Chosen for this ROLE.. and its Repeated over and Over... like the Punishment of Prometheus?  Was this a Punishment? we can only SPECULATE.

b. Xenomorph like hands holding opened egg

Again as far as i am aware this has NOT been Explained other than those working on the Murals had said they made Numerous Murals as a NOD to HR Giger and Easter Eggs.... The Egg is ONLY on screen for a Short Time and most would MISS it. If it is merely a Easter Egg then it can THROW US OFF... but this is NOT the only Wild Goose Chase... the Alien Covenant Poster had NOTHING to do with what we saw in the Movie.

Some USE this Mural as Proof the Xenomorph is Ancient however...  the Hands are more like that of the Beaked like Creature with the Engineer as shown prior. And so this does-not mean its the Xenomorph it could be that other Creature. (RS had said that the Xenomorph had NOT Existed at the Point prior to the Outbreak on LV-223).

c. Xenomorph/Deacon like creature on main mural.

Again this is NOT much Explained... only that it could be a Easter Egg, but someone who worked on the Mural had said that it DEPICTS the Deacon.

Something to Consider is it does-not look like a Xenomorph not Quite... it also does-not look like the Deacon at the End.... HOWEVER... Earlier Concept of the Deacon and also the Beasts from Earlier Drafts all look the Same as the Mural Organism which is more similar to the Neomorph.

d. Images of facehugger impregnating the Engineers.

These again are based on HR Gigers Early Face Hugger Concepts...

Again this lends to how it was merely a Easter Egg of sorts....

However if we take into Account the Earlier Drafts of Prometheus (Alien:Genesis and Alien: Engineers) then here is what the LOW DOWN is... the Engineers have a Creation Tool (Goo in Prometheus, Scarabs in early Drafts)... This TOOL can Consume the DNA of a Organism and then STORE this DNA, this Substance then can PASS that DNA onto other Life to create a Hybrid.

i) Engineer in Prometheus Consumes Goo, breaks down and his DNA is then Spred to Evolve Life on Earth.  In early drafts its Tiny Scarabs and then ONE goes and Bites a Primitive Female and Evolves her with Engineer DNA.

ii) Fifield in Prometheus comes into Contact with Goo and Mutates into a Toxic Avenger but other Concepts he becomes a Hybrid.  In  the Earlier Drafts he is BITEN by a Scarab from a URN and likewise becomes a HYBRID.

The Early Drafts... seem to indicate the Engineers had likely Discovered a Parasitic Organism, and they had attempted with the Creation Tool to Cross Hybrid many Experiments (like David was on Planet 4) and had Created a Number of Various Xenomorph/Neomorph/Deacon like Creatures.

Taking this into Account the Murals likely Depict the Engineers Efforts to use their Creation Tool to Create Hybrid Monsters until they Achieved their GOAL.. a Organism like the Mural (Neomorph/Deacon) and they then Sacrifice this to Collect its DNA with the Creation Tool to USE to EVOLVE LIFE... but a Outbreak put a STOP to their Plans.

No, Ash was made by Hyperdyne. Bishop I think was a Weyland-Yutani model

I suppose when your looking at a Advanced Species such as the Engineers then anything is maybe Possible....

Ridley Scott had referred to the Derelict as a Bomber like many Years ago, i think its a BIT SILLY considering the PAYLOAD....(Depends on the Height you Drop them).

However............. the Eggs especially when we look at ALIEN and Alien Covenant we see the Face Hugger is Surrounded by a Thick Membrane... maybe this could Shield the Face Hugger? I assume as LONG as the Face Hugger inside can Survive the DROP then using them in this way could work. Again it would depend on the Height.  We have to remember the Origins of the Xenomorph Story there was NO EGG CHAMBER on the Ship.... (Early Drafts) with the Abandonment of the Pyramid/Egg Silo and re-use the Pilot Chamber Set for the Egg Chamber that was BELOW the Pilot Chamber had led us to the Derelict becoming a Bomber but just as much could be a Cargo Hold.

However... again Ridley Scott offers us a Work-Around.... he said in Regards to the Dead Xenomorph in Alien Covenant, that they could REGENERATE... to me that sounds a BIT SILLY.... but i guess a NUKE or Similar can Prevent that (Hadleys Hope Destruction).... HOWEVER.............. if we consider the Xenomorph as a Virus/Pathogen of sorts....

And lets say that WHEN they DIE... regardless of IF due to Life-Span or they are KILLED.. if there Body just Dissolves into a Goo/Mush and then FROM this the DNA/Pathogen begins to Morph this Left Over Mush into a EGG or a Number of Eggs (example they Grow from the left over Material).

Then INDEED dropping the Eggs is NOT a Problem, if those that turn to MUSH will just begin to GROW more Eggs from the left over Material... But going this ROUTE does beg the Question as to WHY could they NOT use the Royal Face Hugger from Alien 3 (depends which Version of the Movie) but then Regardless even if the Xenomorph cant Regenerate/Grow into Eggs like this... the Face Hugger from ALIEN 3 is still a Problem as WHY you need Ripley DNA then?

But i dont want to try and see this Change the TOPIC from the OT and Poster who was looking to Explore as to WHAT could happen after Alien Covenant.

Bishop was made by hyperdyne and David and Walter were made by Weyland so that could be a reason why it's not alphabetical 

I was thinking that the eggs would be encapsulated by a gel-like anti-gravity solution that helps soften the landing should the eggs be fired out of a cannon-like device. Like that stuff from the Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within

Yeah miss opportunity of expanding upon the neomorph

I hope we see more planets with possibly xenomorphs on them but visiting LV-426 again would be nice

By the looks of it this movie will be set in the same continuity as previous films but with no connection to Ripley

@BigDave

I agree 110%

"Which then limits the scope of how many worlds could have xenomorphs"

I think this Ultimately depends on HOW we go from Davids Input to ALIEN. If there is to be just ONE Ship that ENDS up on LV-426 then YES... but suffice to say as FAR as the Movies and Planned (Alien V that was canned) then the Derelict on LV-426 was the ONLY source of the Xenomorph that was Available.

This does-not have to be the Case, if you have Credible ways to Explain as to WHY they had to Result to Clone Ripley for a Queen in Alien R.. there has to be a LOT of Loose Ends to CLEAR.... (Destroy) but that does not mean there are NO other Ships in the Galaxy with Eggs.

"I personally preferred the Space Bomber origin where the Engineers/Space Jockey would bomb enemy planets with xenomorph eggs"

I just cant see Bouncing Eggs on the Surface of a World as Viable.... especially when  we see how Easy it was for Ripley to Destroy them in ALIENS. I have said before it makes more Sense that the Engineer Ships can Dock onto and Carry a Separate Egg Chamber that they DROP on a World... (as in lower it down).

Then Sections would Peel Back (open up) like say how the Warhammer 50K Space Marine Drop Pods do.

"I would image that the Engineer God Emperor wouldn't dress like a peasant he would resemble more of a Lv-223 Engineer with some awesome biomechanical bling and armor like having a biomechanical crown growing out of his temples. Kind of like a Xenomorph Queen"

We have kind of seen this with some of the Comics.... i think it depends on what kind of Route you would take. Placing the emphasis more on Xeno-Conection, but i think RS was going for the Opposite.  The way it seemed to me would be that our Engineers on Planet 4 have a more Ancient Life-style they Shun Technology and Vices like Amish people do... live a more Basic Life than the Corrupt Life that Modern Man do..... it would appear our LV-223 Engineers are Genetically Altered Super Engineers...  they are say like Engineer Replicants...

@idchlife

Welcome to the Forum.... some of what you have gone on about is similar to HOW i saw it going down which i think is NOT too FAR from what we would have seen... The PROBLEM is its a BIT too Convoluted.....  However RS had said we was 2-3 Movies away from ALIEN... a PLOT like yours would take at least 2 Movies (My Idea also had taken that or 3).

So the Problem is HOW do you engage and keep the Interest from the Fans as you see some may want to know more about the Engineers, and David and some would want to IGNORE our David and give us the Darn Xenomorphs already...

Alien Covenant had left us with a MESS because it tried to keep David as a major PLOT and introduce the Xenomorph and well your going to FIND that Hard to do Justice in ONE MOVIE without Sacrifice of David as a Major Character or without Sacrifice the Xenomorph and so the Creator Plot just kind of WORKED... but NOT without UPSETTING like Most who would have seen it as something ANCIENT.

Prometheus had a BOLD PLOT.... one that would have STEERED AWAY from ALIEN, but some Fans would wanted to KEEP it about the ALIEN and seen our Engineers in the Role the Comic Books had shown....

There are Numerous ways the PLOT could have continued after Prometheus... i think many Overlook what RS had said... Creation, Knowledge, Immortality and just look at us having some Giant (not so) Angry Bald Engineers who Create Humans to be Hosts for the Xenomorph.... but WHY...

No there was a BIGGER PICTURE which sadly we wont see anymore.... the Starting Point to the Engineers/Plot we sadly have NOT got to see... Jon Spaihts like Pitch.... which gives us Numerous Clues... but there has never been a Fully Released Version of it... Alien 01 Master Narrative

"I think now the mystery lies between the timeline of Convent (2104) to Alien (2122) and what really happened during that period. Now the third Alien prequel is scraped (sadly)"

It was a Very Tight kind of Time-Line.... what we can pick up from RS was the Following.

*It would have been about what KIND of a World would David had Created. (which does-not mean it would be about Xenomorphs) he indicated the NEXT MOVIE would be less about them....

*He indicated we are 2-3 Movies from ALIEN and by the TIME he Finishes then you would Reach the BACK DOOR to ALIEN.

*He had indicated that the Engineers would Return to Planet 4 and see what David had done and would want REVENGE and be after him.

*He had indicated the Xenomorph has some EVOLVING before we get to ALIEN.

And so it would seem the Xenomorph would have came more into PLAY and Evolved in Part 4 of the Prequels....

The Best solution to this would have been for the Engineers to Discover the Eggs and take them to LV-223 to Re-Engineer them and USE them on Davids world and then maybe Earth..... with ONE of the Engineers Ships only making it as FAR as LV-426.  This way the Engineers go and Perfect the Creation of David which he had Created with the Engineers Bio-Weapon...... David thus becomes the MIDDLE MAN and it Retains him some Dignity in the Plot, yet makes the Ultimate Xenomorph the Polished Creation of the Engineers.

Such a PLOT would have NESTED in between Alien Covenant and ALIEN without any Conflict, because if the Xenomorph on LV-426 has its Origins on the Covenant Ship and David gets to Origae-6 then we are nearly 10 Years before ALIEN....... so then you have Origae-6 and Shenanigans and a Engineer Ship which arrives that then TAKES those Eggs to LV-223 but ONLY get as FAR as LV-426..  within 10 Years!

Instead having the Engineers Return, take Eggs to LV-223 to Re-Engineer then off goes a Ship to find David, and then another prepares for Earth but ONLY gets to LV-426...... which could give us say the LV-426 Space Jockey some 10-15yrs before ALIEN.... but you can make this Hundreds or Thousands of Years with the Destruction of LV-223/Tear in Space and Time.... but ALAS!

I Dread what we have NOW.... Xenomorphs running around a Major City on Earth like within 5 Years of Prometheus is a Recipe for Disaster.

Especially of the Xenomorph is introduced after like 2hrs into the TV Show.

"Scott is one of the reasons why the mystery took some bruises in Covenant"

To be FAIR it seems ALIEN COVENANT is NOT what RS had wanted it was a Response by those in CHARGE to BRING back the Xenomorph in a Knee-Jerk reaction to the ALIEN V that got some Fans Excited and Powers that be then FELT the Franchise... NEEDS the Xenomorph... (YES) but RS was trying to take us away from that as a Separate Franchise/Path.... but ALAS.

When we look at the Background Arc of the Prequels... (ignoring trying to make Connection to ALIEN) then actually having David as the Creator just makes PERFECT SENSE.... it makes it Sinister, and a Ultimate Hubris of Creation.

But this was a RISK as there are a LOT of Purest out there be this that the Xenomorph as a Engineer Creation, a Organism laid by Queens etc... having David be the Creator does FIT with the ARC/STORY of the Prequels but it is BOUND to UPSET and Blindside like 90% of the Fanbase.

Tge END thus does-not Justify the Means...

The Story Arc/Plot of David could have worked if he had Created something Similar but much Different.

LIKE THESE ALIEN COVENANT CONCEPTS (by Rob Bliss)

But then you would have some Fans thinking THESE are NOT the Xenomorph, we want to see the Xenomorph and so Alien Covenant was born out of the STUDIO wanting to bring in the Xenomorph but then HOW do they do that and yet keep David as Main Part of the Plot.... and Hence we got the Plot we had.

For me i think Alien Covenant should NOT have Happened... we should have been given a FILLER ALIEN Movie, be that a Return to LV-223 or a Movie set between ALIEN and ALIENS..... (But NO RIPLEY)..... then RS could have gone and made a Prometheus Sequel that is NOT SHACKLED to the Xenomorph or ALIEN. But ALAS!