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1) Alien: Covenant - Number one for my love of the Alien franchise! I do think it's a good movie too, so it deserves the spot.   

2) Get Out - Probably the highest quality tentpole film I have seen this year!

3) Baby Driver - Love the style, design, and the actors chemistry! A very fun movie.

4) It Comes At Night - A dread inducing film that was unfortunatley mismarketed.

5) War for the Planet of the Apes - A great closer to a pretty great trilogy!

Honorable mentions (no particular order): mother!, Spiderman: Homecoming, Wonder Woman, Logan, Annabelle, IT, John Wick 2. 

End of article, noomi rapace and alien franchise futur. 

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AC is first of course, and followed by Despicable Me 3 & Cars 3!!

I'll be happy, if they'll bring back Elizabeth Shaw.

Yep, looking very good.

1) A L I E N: Covenant.  Easily number 1. Spaceships. Spacemonsters. Everything I dream about.

2) Valerian. Fun movie. Odd pacing..but still spectacular.

3) Wonder Woman. Nice to have DC step up.

4) Dunkirk. Amazing.

5) War for the Planet of the Apes. Hope they make more.

1) Dunkirk

2) War for the planet of the apes

3) Spiderman homecoming

4) A ghost story

5) Alien: Covenant

And there's more.

Eghom pârâthu Urnaja, I come from Paradise. 

Long ago there was nothing new. Now there is an addition of fine details on level what the colony would look "live".

CALL - You want that. 

RIPLEY - I've come to terms with the fact of it. It's inevitable. 

(we are all family here, we care dk :) we've missed you 

ALIEN COVENANT is my most favorite this year. 

I also like the following:

"IT" is great, beautiful casts, effective jump scares
"LIFE" is surprisingly good
"Personal Shopper" is a very interesting film

I want to see The Ghost Story 

BigDave

I hope your feeling better, thats way more important than anything written about here. 

Something I have not said to you is you were right about one thing and I was wrong about the effect of going Alien Prefix. You predicted the outcome of the movie whereas I thought that David would mediate the exposition and all the answers either voluntarily or by coercion. I did not fore see what Jollity calls the atmosphere of conspiracy.

Either Matt or Dane recently compared the ambiguity of act 2 (what happened to Shaw) to Deckard (is he a replicant or not). With great respect to that answer it is an inappropriate comparison. The entire Bladerunner theme is about not being certain who are the replicants and who are not, its central to the overall narrative. Shaw's fate, who drove the Prometheus story to its conclusion, required completion there was far to much invested in her to leave it ambiguous or as others have said she deserved closure. One is part of the creative mythos the other is a narrative necessity. We needed to see the David/Shaw relationship played out on screen in the film, the Crossing which is absent from the UK Blu Ray release simply produces more questions. 

But to focus on Shaw and say it was ambiguous is a deflection from the other failure of Covenant reducing the Engineers to ants. The narrative used would compare with killing off all replicants in the BR sequel and saying I am in charge whereas the replicants will be central to the story and their story will grow.  

"i wondered could be various cool ideas and concepts that the Production Team/RS/FOX felt would be cool to just leave the concept work on set and pass it off as Davids works in progress... without ever thinking how it all connects because most fans may not actually try and analyze the concepts in detail and what role they play in the Xenomorph Creation."

That may be most fans but not some on this topic. Great point BigDave.

This is another golden discussion Ati, thank you.

So good to hear from you Lone. Yes, going back to more of the original Giger aesthetic sounds just fine with me. And the way you propose they get there with securing rights sounds great too.

The mutation artwork, to me, fills in on how the process evolved in creating the xenomorph and what tools were on hand for David 8 to utilize.

Thank you so much Cerulean Blue and Ati.

I believe that David 8 wanted to take advantage of the special type of tissue the black goo mutagen produced (obvious) and his writings read like he was refining control over the direction of the mutation Thoughts_Dreams. 

dk isn't managing this thread like he said he was.  I wonder what's up?

Nothing is up but it is nice to know that someone seems to care.

I always liked the idea that the xenomorph head could be an evolutionary defence against facehuggers. Maybe rival colonies on a home planet. The face and neck are further apart so the tail has a harder job, there's nowhere for the legs to wrap round and then obviously inner jaw. I think if you were designing a head that facehuggers can't grab that would be it.

Although let's be honest, Giger definitely wasn't thinking that when he first drew them!

Young Frankenstein. Sorry. I don't go to theaters. What Happened to Monday comes to mind.

"Get out"
"A Ghost Story"
"It"
"War for the planet of the apes"
"The Teacher" (Ucitelka)

Special mention: "The Girl with all the gifts"

I haven't seen Dunkirk yet and I have hopes for "Blade Runner 2049" and "The Snowman" (with Michael Fassbender). Disappointments: "Alien Covenant", "Mother!", "It comes at night"

They certainly are skipping around direct subject of it all.... i guess as it does leave it ambiguous for FOX/RS to go the route that David had simply Evolved/Advanced the Original Xenomorph.

Prometheus was the same, with the Mural and a case of how much of this literally should we had taken on-board as connecting to the Xenomorph, or how much are just Easter Eggs alone.

The Frescos likewise.. as one shows us a Alien Egg but it was never 100% shown in the movie and what % of it was, as for a split second. and so maybe a lot of debates trying to connect this literally to the Origins of the Xenomorph is something we are not supposed to had done, because maybe those Frescos had no real purpose but to look Cool!

For weeks i had been telling myself.. when i am better i will make a Topic about what Questions to Ask Concept Artist about some of their works..

And i think this is one i would like to ask Wayne Haagg

He was not the only person to do concept on the Dome. and the other Concept Artist, also had a similar very Human looking beings on the insides and indeed Females on the Doors.

The other concept the beings looked like from the Sumarian Gods depictions... but Wayne Haaggs shows very much Biblical imaginary as for as the Humans.

So i would have loved to have asked this...

"Regarding the Concept work you had done for the Temple Dome, Entrance for Alien Covenant, i noticed the Doors have Females, and not Engineer looking ones and the entrance also has Humanoids and again with Hair and Beards...  was this just your idea, or did this kind of Humanoid Aesthetic have something or was supposed to have something to do with the Engineers History or Mankinds?"

Because i do feel if there was a Purpose for this at some point, rather than the NO beings we get in the movie on the Entrance, or even Bald Engineer types..

Then if prior their was a reason behind those paintings on the Dome Doorway etc.... if this was to do with the Back Story.. then Wayne answering the Question above could have given a massive insight into where they was going with this.

Unless... it just looked Cool at the time ;)

Nice work... and who knows how much they knew or did not know about the Process... i mean are RS/FOX even sure?  It appears a lot of things change time over time....

And its a Question of if they had a Actual IDEA to how all this connects and how much the Concept Artist knew... i would assume many was in the know about some elements, as surely they cant just go around making various art work and stuff without no thought of how it actually connects?

But then i did fear this could be the case with Davids workshop, where a lot of it i wondered could be various cool ideas and concepts that the Production Team/RS/FOX felt would be cool to just leave the concept work on set and pass it off as Davids works in progress... without ever thinking how it all connects because most fans may not actually try and analyze the concepts in detail and what role they play in the Xenomorph Creation.

Interest as far as the OT ones..

"One of them looks like the vehicle in South Park that Mr. Garrison invents!"

Ha Ha i would love to see Gigers Interpretation on that, but then Mr Garrison may have taken inspiration for HR Giger ;)

I will get back to this post hopefully tomorrow... Nap Time again for me to give my Brain a Rest.... hopefully it can be more active like before ;)

Oh well past few weeks gave my keyboard a Rest and other Members Scroll Buttons ;)

I think this would be very interesting.. its a YES from  me

Congratulations to the Winner...

A very nice piece of Art ;)

Very True...

while i felt the way they dealt the Covenant and the Black Goo was disappointing.. The Black Goo has so much Potential.

Now all we shall have is TWO Face Hugger Embryos that somehow will lead to THOUSANDS of Eggs.

Lets hope David also snuck some Black Goo with him and Pulls another Holloway Experiment on some unsuspecting Crew. I would certainly had liked to see a Full Term Trilobite Belly Burster Birth... then Resulting Face Hug on a Human Host to give us a Human Birthed Deacon ;)

Looking at Dr Shaw sending the SOS after finding out what David was up to, i think we cant rule that out... but  i would think she would be making a real SOS, a Come and Rescue me ... and not singing the Song.

I also think singing the Song as she attempts to leave the Planet and David would be a bit odd... but then if Dr Shaw suffers some Mental Break down then who knows...   i think we can assume Dr Shaw would not attempt to leave in the Ship knowing it had crashed as it did up the Mountain?

And i think we can safely assume after the Bombardment and Crashing of the Engineer Docking Ship, Davids Juggernaught would not have made it away without a scratch...?

Its possible it may have and then Dr Shaw tried to take it HOME and crashed it, but i think the clues and comments from Wayne Haagg would point to both Ships crashing after the so called Dust Up.

Again its a subject that has no real 100% Answers because non are given and so its interesting to take on board each persons view to what could have happened.

Indeed we cant rule out Dr Shaw, escaping to the Control Room and rushing to send that Signal... but my opinion which may not be right, is David used some footage as a BATE/TRAP and Dr Shaw had sang the Song at some point during the events of THE CROSSING Prologue

Yeah my response was a more in detail of what must of happened but the OT is ambiguous....

Totally agree some EMP Device may have caused the ships to crash, i had pondered a Safety Device being used a long time ago, even before the Trailers when i wondered if the Burnt Engineers was some kind of Safety Device to prevent a Spread of the Black Goo.

Alas we got more clear answers since the movie..

I was trying to suggest its highly likely Dr Shaw had NO Knowledge of the Bombardment Plans, so i went into detail why not... and while i think David wanted to Protect Dr Shaw... i think he had his own Agenda.. which indeed he saw the Engineers as a threat and if he could Destroy them... 

Then there would be no Threat to Dr Shaw, and David could give a explanation and even give Dr Shaw some of her answers via what ever way David chooses to...  Then he would have the idea that they could have started a New World Together.

I touched upon this a while ago... even after the movie just came out and especially prior i was even wondering could David had offered Dr Shaw a chance to be able to Give Birth...

Could he inform Dr Shaw, he could find a way so she could have Children... and i wondered if this is where David got his subjects and those Baby Skulls etc.

But as Concept got released and details around them, we found out David had used Engineer Babies.

LOL ;)

Watch this after and then get back to you all...

I think FOX simply had to do a sequel... i am very concerned with how they may approach this now and try and please the Fanboys... and dread it being tied to Ripley..

I will give my TWO cents to the failings of the Franchise, and how they need to be fixed, but they simply now need to take some of the Failings and improve them instead of throwing it away.

And so YES Engineers are connected to Humans, Black Goo connected to the Xenomorph, and i think its 50/50 if they go for David creates the 1979 Xenomorph or they change it so that he makes a Improved Model.

They have to stick with Davids Agenda, and Bring in the Engineer Connection only i feel they have to think of something Sinister as far as the Engineers Agenda or introduce their Creator..

Ultimately they would be better off showing us how the Cargo on the Derelict came to be in the next movie, which will be hard as i think the A-Z Route Ridley would be taking could have needed 2 more movies at least.

But now its if they bypass David..... Fans will still want and expect to see the Derelict Cargo... unless the Whole David Created it and Engineers Connection... has put a lot of Fans OFF BIG TIME..

So that a High % of Fans now think they should have left LV-426 a complete Mystery.

1.) Covenant - Fantastic return to form and felt like a love letter to the franchise and it's legacy. Plus David is bae.

2.) It - Great adaption of an even greater book. I love the original TV miniseries abut this film blew it out of the water. Bill Skarsgard as Pennywise was phenomenal.

3.) Wonder Woman - Aside from being an Alien fanboy, I'm also a huge DC Comics guy and I really enjoyed this entry into the DCEU. Gal Gadot is fire <3

4.) John Wick 2 - Not as good as the first imo but still another exhilarating chapter

5.) Kong Skull Island - Best Kong film to date and it was just fun to see him knock around a couple monsters :) Visuals were gorgeous. John C Reilley was a hoot.

Will have to watch these and get back to you all

Very Nice pieces of Work..

Not quite a Engineer Look to the Technology but also not quite a Earth-Like Future Technology too....

Why use LV-428? surely they are taking some inspiration from the Alien Franchise, and looking at a few of the images, we do see some of the Cities set out similar to those on Paradise, only these are more Futuristic rather than Ancient looking.

I wonder what Symbolism there is?

its as if they are telling a Story...?

I notice the Black Bone image, can kind of be connected to the Black Goo, it also has a Fire Appearance, and a Female.  Hinting at maybe some Forbidden Knowledge/Tool and connected to Females.. and the miss-use has lead to Catastrophe for a Space Faring Alien Race?

The Proto City is interesting too.... we see Giant Mechanical, almost Android like Figures, one on the Right appears to be Propping up this what appears to be TWO Cities one on the Roof and one on the Ground but both with their own Gravity.

its almost saying to me that AI was created to be used to Create this City/Structure for a Alien Race... and that the Androids/AI are the Tools used to Build this place.

Could it be telling us that a reliance on AI and Creating AI that can be used to perform tasks for their Creators, has a Downfall?  When the AI become Sentient and Rebel?

Maybe just me though lol

The second image, i like the Effort but the whole design i am not a fan of, not how it appears.. but i can kind see maybe using this as a influence to bring in another Race to bridge the Gap Between Xenomorph Origins (Black Goo) and Engineer Bio-Tech.

Thus having Engineers Steal Technology from another Race who have some Aesthetics of this image only less Mechanical maybe?

BigDave The Dreadnought (the ship Shaw and David were on) crashed because when they released the pathogen payload it sent off an EMP blast that fried all the ships and such to prevent the bioweapon from leaving the planet. David bombed the Engineers because he could, saw them as inferior, and wanted to protect Shaw and make a new Eden with her as his Eve to his Adam. She refused and David incubated Shaw to prevent her from leaving him. Sometime in between these two events he probably lied to her until he felt she was ready for the truth and in the mean time she sent out an S.O.S. to get off the now dead Paradise because she never loses faith.

i like the Origae-6 one as it looks to me like a Engineer Space Station that has been destroyed and landed on the Surface...

I however dont like the Origae-6 reference, i think its a bit to coincidence that the Prometheus Crew go off to a World that the Engineers used as a Outpost, to then have the Survivors off to a World that the Engineers inhabit and then a Human Ship just happens to end up being within 7 Weeks Travel from this place...

To then have it the Human Crew of the Covenants original destination is also by Pure Coinsidence another Engineer World... or World they interacted with.

I am not a fan of this... but i think it could be what FOX are going for... where the only way this would make better sense would be if we are shown that WITHOUT the Engineers/Their Creators... NO WORLD would be Habitable and so every Habitable World would have had to had been Terra-formed by the Engineers/Hierarchy.

This does not rule out Engineers/Hierarchy Creations someday Terra-forming their own Worlds.... like Weyland Does.

The Song, is merely a Plot Device....

They (RS/FOX/Writing Staff) Needed a way to get a Signal of Human Origin that would not be any kind of Signal off Dr Shaw, because well what kind of Signal would she send... she would inform people of the Engineers... or if it was a Please Rescue me.. any Humans would be cautious...

so they needed a Signal that could be detected as only having a Human Source and so a Famous Earth Song... "John Denver Take me Home" which was scrambled but could be barely made out, that just by Chance  "Cowboy, Tennessee"  recognized

So it was a Story Telling Plot Device, that i doubt FOX/RS expected us to try and figure out WHEN/HOW and WHY Dr Shaw would sing such a song?

So the Choice of Song is a Odd one, but not as far as the necessary Plot Device for a scrambled barely audible song that only by Chance Tennessee recognized.

It still remains a Odd One for Dr Shaw to Sing....

1) She was never going Home.... they was off to Paradise or Engineer Worlds and not Home... so its a bit of a odd Choice, but maybe it was a Song she liked and she was nervous or excited about setting off and so she Sang it for this reason.

2) Its unlikely she would be Singing it after arriving at Paradise/Planet 4 and then deciding to leave the Planet to go back home.. because well it just seems odd to sing this after she discovers what has happened.  Its also more likely the Ship Crashed not long after the Bombardment.

So i say it was option 1...

So ok what we need to look at is the Agenda/Thought Process of Dr Shaw and David... forget other stuff we need to look at the Personalities of these Characters and Agenda.

1) Dr Shaw wanted to go to the Engineers World, so she can get her answers, this is all that matters for her.  Even if the risk is high they may just want her Dead, to Shaw there is NOTHING left...  and if she had the Choice... go back HOME and not KNOW.. or go to Paradise, and have a Slim Chance of Getting her Answers.. even if Ultimately the Price would be her Death... She would choose the Latter.

2) David is a Robot, who thinks he should be more than just a Machine, and more than to Share, he has Survival Instincts, he wants to Live, to Grow, to Learn... having followed his Master Peter Weyland and the Agenda his Creator had.. David is now Free, he has a lot of discontent/dislike towards Mankind, he appeared to be very interested in the Engineers.... until One Tore his Head Off...    David is in TWO Pieces, and he no doubt has Big Plans.... and so he Needs Dr Shaw for his own Agenda and he therefore plays a Game of Patience in order to gain her trust.

This Brings us to the Arrival..... Dr Shaw would be in Cryo-sleep, David was to awaken her prior to Arrival, so she can meet our Makers and get her Answers...   David knows that confronting these beings is a Risk... the Chances of them accepting David and Shaw, or even just David are maybe Remote.. David just cant Bank on the outcome being in his Favor... or Dr Shaws.

But Unleashing the Bio-Weapon on the Engineers World, would Eradicate the Engineers, Provide David with more clues to what this Bio-Weapon can do... and allows David Freedom to explore the Aftermath and Study all the Engineers Works and Technology.

He could maybe get Shaw answers from the Ruins of their Society, but David knows that DR SHAW would likely Prevent David or not give him permission to Destroy the Engineers.  She would rather risk meeting them, unless David can provide 100% Proof they would kill her without even providing a single answer.

David is also fond of Dr Shaw, and so he may not want to risk her meeting the Engineers if their is chance they would Kill Her.... and so he chose to Bombard the Engineers and keep Dr Shaw in Cryo-sleep to protect her from the Bombardment.

The Big Question now is WHEN/WHY did the Juggernaught Crash, it is more likely Dr Shaw was in Cryo-sleep during this... Wayne Haagg mentioned the Scorpion Docking Ship was some kind of Border Control, Mother Ship and it and the Juggernaught had a Dust Up (Fight) and both ships ended up crashed.

It therefore is likely Davids Juggernaught Crashed, and he had then waited, and ventured out to inspect the Aftermath... i would say it would have been a PERIOD of Time,  Days? Weeks?

Before David Awoke Dr Shaw and informed her that the Engineers tried to take Action to Destroy their Ship and so he unloaded the Cargo, thats what i assume... David would find this as a better excuse than just saying he found out they was Wicked and Cruel and decided they had to Die.. or that it was a Accidental Bombardment.

If David could inform Dr Shaw, he made himself known to the Engineers and then noticed they intended to intercept and destroy them, then dropping the Cargo would be seen as the only option David had.

David would then be able to inform Dr Shaw, that outside is not Safe, it would take Weeks/Months before she could venture out and the Engineers are all Dead and the Atmosphere is contaminated.

Dr Shaw would know what happened on LV-223 and so would know the Black Goo Outbreak is Deadly and so David would persuade her to Set up a Living Space on the Juggernaught while David can go TO/FROM the Ship and City with the FREEDOM to do what he likes.

And so eventually... as time passes and he gains Dr Shaws Trust again, David would eventually when the Surface is more Safe, Escort Dr Shaw maybe to some part of the City, where who knows if he tries to keep some places hidden from her... but she FINDS OUT... or One Day she Leaves the Ship of her own Accord and FINDS OUT..  or if David actually Tells her what he is up to and thinks Shaw would actually be ok and go along with and accept what David had been doing in his Laboratory

Things would have gone wrong... and Dr Shaw would have tried to escape and barricade herself... and eventually David would have got to her, and knowing she Wont Love him Back.. Things went to POT and he used her for his Experiments.

With his Experiments seemingly becoming more closer to what he wants from Human DNA/Host Rather than Engineers and with no Human/Engineer Bodies left.

David would have then picked out a Transmission from the Hologram Auto-Recording and found one of Dr Shaw, and transmitted a part of this on Repeat to LURE IN any Potential Human Ships down the Line.

knowing that  if he transmitted a signal himself the Company may be less likely to come to get a Robot, unless he mentions what he is doing there and then they would likely send a Prepared Military Force and so no Easy Targets for David to continue his Experiments on.

Covenant - No.1.

I don't get an opportunity to get to the cinema much these days, and so Covenant was the only film of 2017 I have seen at the cinema. And it was worth it.

I can pretty much agree with most of I Moon Girl's post.

First i will add it appears to be bad writing, not a lot of thought went into how things happened in the events of post Prometheus to just prior to the Covenant Ship detecting the Signal.

Either bad writing, or a massive oversight where they thought such details are not important as people wont ask... or indeed there was a back story/plan which they just choose to keep ambiguous...

Maybe something we hoped could be covered in the Prequel Book... but then the book ended up being about events not related to nothing else but the Covenant Ships mission.

So a lot is all up in the Air and open to debate as its totally ambiguous.. so i have to agree for the most part with I Moon Girl

Next.... I will give my two cents..

Hi BigDave!!!

That would've been a truly gruesome death worthy of an Alien film!