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There's also an illustration of an engineer child.

Since there were females I knew there would be engineer kids. When David was walking among the corpses I noticed one corpse is much smaller than the other corpses.

Ok, I can't wait one more day.

Can anyone please tell me what year the Covenant mission left Earth based on the Alien: Covenant Origins novelization?

Thank you.

I think it can be said in all versions Ati that Michael Bishop was very much a hybrid...and hard to say where cybernetics stopped and humanity began with the work he had done to his body.

Here is a description from Matt Hatton jdvyne regarding the female Engineers David 8 incorporated into his studies.

The Refuge is great. Thank you Ati for such great examples of concept art.

I agree BigDave regarding Black Bone image. I also really like the giant humanoids built on either side of the structure of the Proto City.

Kinda reminds me of a bat with the wings like that.

I always assumed the trilobite was going to burst out of her abdomen, but perhaps it was deemed too gruesome? lol

I never understood why it was classed as a distress call in the first place, I mean it was someone singing.

And if you're going to send a distress call, do you record yourself singing a song while pressing a bunch of buttons? or do you record a message saying I need help, evil android killed millions, planet is a bio hazard, please come with biosuits and get me!

I too am fascinated by the alien language, both spoken and written.

The engineer speaking scene was my favourite scene in the Prometheus film, even if it was cut, it really added to the atmosphere, because that engineers voice was deep and godly sounding.

Was there ever any translations of the writings on the walls and urns?

Lawrence of Arabia, I'm glad you have John Wick 2 in your top 5! I somehow almost forgot about it! I saw it with a roommate when it came out and LOVED it and then went back home and watched the first one. I am not a humungous lover of action films and series, so John Wick is definitely my favorite of the spy/action movie genre(s)

1) Alien: Covenant - Number one for my love of the Alien franchise! I do think it's a good movie too, so it deserves the spot.   

2) Get Out - Probably the highest quality tentpole film I have seen this year!

3) Baby Driver - Love the style, design, and the actors chemistry! A very fun movie.

4) It Comes At Night - A dread inducing film that was unfortunatley mismarketed.

5) War for the Planet of the Apes - A great closer to a pretty great trilogy!

Honorable mentions (no particular order): mother!, Spiderman: Homecoming, Wonder Woman, Logan, Annabelle, IT, John Wick 2. 

End of article, noomi rapace and alien franchise futur. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/noomi-rapace-interview-netflix-what-happened-to-monday-prometheus-alien-covenant-bright-dragon-a7897946.html

AC is first of course, and followed by Despicable Me 3 & Cars 3!!

I'll be happy, if they'll bring back Elizabeth Shaw.

Yep, looking very good.

1) A L I E N: Covenant.  Easily number 1. Spaceships. Spacemonsters. Everything I dream about.

2) Valerian. Fun movie. Odd pacing..but still spectacular.

3) Wonder Woman. Nice to have DC step up.

4) Dunkirk. Amazing.

5) War for the Planet of the Apes. Hope they make more.

1) Dunkirk

2) War for the planet of the apes

3) Spiderman homecoming

4) A ghost story

5) Alien: Covenant

And there's more.

Eghom pârâthu Urnaja, I come from Paradise. 

Long ago there was nothing new. Now there is an addition of fine details on level what the colony would look "live".

CALL - You want that. 

RIPLEY - I've come to terms with the fact of it. It's inevitable. 

(we are all family here, we care dk :) we've missed you 

ALIEN COVENANT is my most favorite this year. 

I also like the following:

"IT" is great, beautiful casts, effective jump scares
"LIFE" is surprisingly good
"Personal Shopper" is a very interesting film

I want to see The Ghost Story 

BigDave

I hope your feeling better, thats way more important than anything written about here. 

Something I have not said to you is you were right about one thing and I was wrong about the effect of going Alien Prefix. You predicted the outcome of the movie whereas I thought that David would mediate the exposition and all the answers either voluntarily or by coercion. I did not fore see what Jollity calls the atmosphere of conspiracy.

Either Matt or Dane recently compared the ambiguity of act 2 (what happened to Shaw) to Deckard (is he a replicant or not). With great respect to that answer it is an inappropriate comparison. The entire Bladerunner theme is about not being certain who are the replicants and who are not, its central to the overall narrative. Shaw's fate, who drove the Prometheus story to its conclusion, required completion there was far to much invested in her to leave it ambiguous or as others have said she deserved closure. One is part of the creative mythos the other is a narrative necessity. We needed to see the David/Shaw relationship played out on screen in the film, the Crossing which is absent from the UK Blu Ray release simply produces more questions. 

But to focus on Shaw and say it was ambiguous is a deflection from the other failure of Covenant reducing the Engineers to ants. The narrative used would compare with killing off all replicants in the BR sequel and saying I am in charge whereas the replicants will be central to the story and their story will grow.  

"i wondered could be various cool ideas and concepts that the Production Team/RS/FOX felt would be cool to just leave the concept work on set and pass it off as Davids works in progress... without ever thinking how it all connects because most fans may not actually try and analyze the concepts in detail and what role they play in the Xenomorph Creation."

That may be most fans but not some on this topic. Great point BigDave.

This is another golden discussion Ati, thank you.

So good to hear from you Lone. Yes, going back to more of the original Giger aesthetic sounds just fine with me. And the way you propose they get there with securing rights sounds great too.

The mutation artwork, to me, fills in on how the process evolved in creating the xenomorph and what tools were on hand for David 8 to utilize.

Thank you so much Cerulean Blue and Ati.

I believe that David 8 wanted to take advantage of the special type of tissue the black goo mutagen produced (obvious) and his writings read like he was refining control over the direction of the mutation Thoughts_Dreams. 

dk isn't managing this thread like he said he was.  I wonder what's up?

Nothing is up but it is nice to know that someone seems to care.

I always liked the idea that the xenomorph head could be an evolutionary defence against facehuggers. Maybe rival colonies on a home planet. The face and neck are further apart so the tail has a harder job, there's nowhere for the legs to wrap round and then obviously inner jaw. I think if you were designing a head that facehuggers can't grab that would be it.

Although let's be honest, Giger definitely wasn't thinking that when he first drew them!

Young Frankenstein. Sorry. I don't go to theaters. What Happened to Monday comes to mind.

"Get out"
"A Ghost Story"
"It"
"War for the planet of the apes"
"The Teacher" (Ucitelka)

Special mention: "The Girl with all the gifts"

I haven't seen Dunkirk yet and I have hopes for "Blade Runner 2049" and "The Snowman" (with Michael Fassbender). Disappointments: "Alien Covenant", "Mother!", "It comes at night"

They certainly are skipping around direct subject of it all.... i guess as it does leave it ambiguous for FOX/RS to go the route that David had simply Evolved/Advanced the Original Xenomorph.

Prometheus was the same, with the Mural and a case of how much of this literally should we had taken on-board as connecting to the Xenomorph, or how much are just Easter Eggs alone.

The Frescos likewise.. as one shows us a Alien Egg but it was never 100% shown in the movie and what % of it was, as for a split second. and so maybe a lot of debates trying to connect this literally to the Origins of the Xenomorph is something we are not supposed to had done, because maybe those Frescos had no real purpose but to look Cool!

For weeks i had been telling myself.. when i am better i will make a Topic about what Questions to Ask Concept Artist about some of their works..

And i think this is one i would like to ask Wayne Haagg

He was not the only person to do concept on the Dome. and the other Concept Artist, also had a similar very Human looking beings on the insides and indeed Females on the Doors.

The other concept the beings looked like from the Sumarian Gods depictions... but Wayne Haaggs shows very much Biblical imaginary as for as the Humans.

So i would have loved to have asked this...

"Regarding the Concept work you had done for the Temple Dome, Entrance for Alien Covenant, i noticed the Doors have Females, and not Engineer looking ones and the entrance also has Humanoids and again with Hair and Beards...  was this just your idea, or did this kind of Humanoid Aesthetic have something or was supposed to have something to do with the Engineers History or Mankinds?"

Because i do feel if there was a Purpose for this at some point, rather than the NO beings we get in the movie on the Entrance, or even Bald Engineer types..

Then if prior their was a reason behind those paintings on the Dome Doorway etc.... if this was to do with the Back Story.. then Wayne answering the Question above could have given a massive insight into where they was going with this.

Unless... it just looked Cool at the time ;)

Nice work... and who knows how much they knew or did not know about the Process... i mean are RS/FOX even sure?  It appears a lot of things change time over time....

And its a Question of if they had a Actual IDEA to how all this connects and how much the Concept Artist knew... i would assume many was in the know about some elements, as surely they cant just go around making various art work and stuff without no thought of how it actually connects?

But then i did fear this could be the case with Davids workshop, where a lot of it i wondered could be various cool ideas and concepts that the Production Team/RS/FOX felt would be cool to just leave the concept work on set and pass it off as Davids works in progress... without ever thinking how it all connects because most fans may not actually try and analyze the concepts in detail and what role they play in the Xenomorph Creation.

Interest as far as the OT ones..

"One of them looks like the vehicle in South Park that Mr. Garrison invents!"

Ha Ha i would love to see Gigers Interpretation on that, but then Mr Garrison may have taken inspiration for HR Giger ;)

I will get back to this post hopefully tomorrow... Nap Time again for me to give my Brain a Rest.... hopefully it can be more active like before ;)

Oh well past few weeks gave my keyboard a Rest and other Members Scroll Buttons ;)

I think this would be very interesting.. its a YES from  me

Congratulations to the Winner...

A very nice piece of Art ;)

Very True...

while i felt the way they dealt the Covenant and the Black Goo was disappointing.. The Black Goo has so much Potential.

Now all we shall have is TWO Face Hugger Embryos that somehow will lead to THOUSANDS of Eggs.

Lets hope David also snuck some Black Goo with him and Pulls another Holloway Experiment on some unsuspecting Crew. I would certainly had liked to see a Full Term Trilobite Belly Burster Birth... then Resulting Face Hug on a Human Host to give us a Human Birthed Deacon ;)

Looking at Dr Shaw sending the SOS after finding out what David was up to, i think we cant rule that out... but  i would think she would be making a real SOS, a Come and Rescue me ... and not singing the Song.

I also think singing the Song as she attempts to leave the Planet and David would be a bit odd... but then if Dr Shaw suffers some Mental Break down then who knows...   i think we can assume Dr Shaw would not attempt to leave in the Ship knowing it had crashed as it did up the Mountain?

And i think we can safely assume after the Bombardment and Crashing of the Engineer Docking Ship, Davids Juggernaught would not have made it away without a scratch...?

Its possible it may have and then Dr Shaw tried to take it HOME and crashed it, but i think the clues and comments from Wayne Haagg would point to both Ships crashing after the so called Dust Up.

Again its a subject that has no real 100% Answers because non are given and so its interesting to take on board each persons view to what could have happened.

Indeed we cant rule out Dr Shaw, escaping to the Control Room and rushing to send that Signal... but my opinion which may not be right, is David used some footage as a BATE/TRAP and Dr Shaw had sang the Song at some point during the events of THE CROSSING Prologue

Yeah my response was a more in detail of what must of happened but the OT is ambiguous....

Totally agree some EMP Device may have caused the ships to crash, i had pondered a Safety Device being used a long time ago, even before the Trailers when i wondered if the Burnt Engineers was some kind of Safety Device to prevent a Spread of the Black Goo.

Alas we got more clear answers since the movie..

I was trying to suggest its highly likely Dr Shaw had NO Knowledge of the Bombardment Plans, so i went into detail why not... and while i think David wanted to Protect Dr Shaw... i think he had his own Agenda.. which indeed he saw the Engineers as a threat and if he could Destroy them... 

Then there would be no Threat to Dr Shaw, and David could give a explanation and even give Dr Shaw some of her answers via what ever way David chooses to...  Then he would have the idea that they could have started a New World Together.

I touched upon this a while ago... even after the movie just came out and especially prior i was even wondering could David had offered Dr Shaw a chance to be able to Give Birth...

Could he inform Dr Shaw, he could find a way so she could have Children... and i wondered if this is where David got his subjects and those Baby Skulls etc.

But as Concept got released and details around them, we found out David had used Engineer Babies.

LOL ;)

Watch this after and then get back to you all...

I think FOX simply had to do a sequel... i am very concerned with how they may approach this now and try and please the Fanboys... and dread it being tied to Ripley..

I will give my TWO cents to the failings of the Franchise, and how they need to be fixed, but they simply now need to take some of the Failings and improve them instead of throwing it away.

And so YES Engineers are connected to Humans, Black Goo connected to the Xenomorph, and i think its 50/50 if they go for David creates the 1979 Xenomorph or they change it so that he makes a Improved Model.

They have to stick with Davids Agenda, and Bring in the Engineer Connection only i feel they have to think of something Sinister as far as the Engineers Agenda or introduce their Creator..

Ultimately they would be better off showing us how the Cargo on the Derelict came to be in the next movie, which will be hard as i think the A-Z Route Ridley would be taking could have needed 2 more movies at least.

But now its if they bypass David..... Fans will still want and expect to see the Derelict Cargo... unless the Whole David Created it and Engineers Connection... has put a lot of Fans OFF BIG TIME..

So that a High % of Fans now think they should have left LV-426 a complete Mystery.

1.) Covenant - Fantastic return to form and felt like a love letter to the franchise and it's legacy. Plus David is bae.

2.) It - Great adaption of an even greater book. I love the original TV miniseries abut this film blew it out of the water. Bill Skarsgard as Pennywise was phenomenal.

3.) Wonder Woman - Aside from being an Alien fanboy, I'm also a huge DC Comics guy and I really enjoyed this entry into the DCEU. Gal Gadot is fire <3

4.) John Wick 2 - Not as good as the first imo but still another exhilarating chapter

5.) Kong Skull Island - Best Kong film to date and it was just fun to see him knock around a couple monsters :) Visuals were gorgeous. John C Reilley was a hoot.