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id have to agree I doubt he would manage to get any supplies. hes an alien driving one of their ships, theyd have dismembered him straight away is it would have been obvious he didn't have permission to have the ship. plus the scene shows the hanger bay opening on his approach. I believe he may have been required to have sent some form of authentication codes to actually land but on failing to do so the scorpion ship moved in as a form of security. id say that the scene is in fact david arriving for the first time on planet 4

Ha Ha...

Gavin it is the ULTIMATE TERMINATOR

But seriously my Error....  I meant the T-1000 ;)

Not a T-2000 American Truck ;)

@Yog - "Oh right, so we should ignore what Fox said"

If you want to go with Foxes marketing materials and not the movies and shorts, you are going to have to reverse your insect/mote theory again :) See Foxes Alien Covenant Evolution graphic.

If you want canon, stick with the movies and short films.

So my Previous post was to try and show how the Space Jockey is not a Skeleton which some fans still want it to be.. I think a Problem next is the size, but this is just RS with some Flawed Camera work.  As the Space Jockey was supposed to be 26ft tall, he used Child Actors in Space Suits when the Nostomo crew enter the Chamber, but then he uses the Adults up close... This gave the illusion of a 21ft Space Jockey that then became clearly 13-15ft Tops.

When working on the Prequel that became Prometheus the Engineers where supposed to be 15ft, then revised to 12ft and Finally 9-10ft tall but we could all see due to again RS and hoping to create a illusion that never worked... and all we got was 7.5ft tall Engineers.

In Hindsight some Game of Thrones or LOTR/Hobbit special effects should have been used to make Ian Whyte actually look more closer to 10ft tall.

Going to what we have now, as far as the Space Jockey Event, RS had cleared it up when working on Prometheus and after and he said the event happened a few hundred years within the time of the Outbreak that killed all those Engineers 2000 years ago and so 1800-2200 Ball Park.

He also said the Derelict did not get very far from where it departed.

So all the Clues are it left LV-223 but only got as far as LV-426, and when we look at the Chest Busted Engineers in Cryo-Pods in Prometheus then it looks more likely the Space Jockey had also Went into Lock Down after the Outbreak.

Something Evolved from the Outbreak and infected the other Engineers in the Juggernaught, but it failed to infect the last surviving one.. who was awoken some 2000 years after.

His brothers not so lucky... it would thus Logically appear that the Space Jockey had awoken a few hundred years after and went to resume his mission but then realized he was infected and tried to Quarantine the Cargo on LV-426

But its never been Spoon Fed Explained.. apart from.

*Event was within few hundred years of LV-223 Outbreak

*Derelict/Space Jockey had set off on his mission but did not get far.

*Space Jockey was infected by his Cargo, which Evolved.

*Then attempted to land the Cargo on near by LV-426 but got Chest Busted during his Final Landing sequence. And so the Ship had intended to land where it lay in ALIEN.

ALL OF THIS...

is now up in the air, with the Changes Alien Covenant gave us, RS/FOX felt fans was not interested in the whole Engineers, Gods, Creation Arc and wanted Xenomorphs and Xenomorph Answers.

They felt Fans was not so interesting in the Prometheus Characters and following Dr Shaw and her Journey/Story.  But RS was a massive Fan of the DAVID Character and the Themes/Hubris of Creating Life in your own Image to Serve you and see this creation Rebel.

And so he felt the whole WHAT IF David created the Xenomorph by using the Engineers attempted Bio-Weapon which they could not contain or control.. and use this Bio Weapon upon the Engineers themselves and then Create from this something more PERFECT than the Deacon the Engineers had attempted to create.

I was ok with this... i was however concerned about the Space Jockey being a Human or Synthetic...

But with RS giving us some insight into Alien Awakening (working Title) there is the potential for the Space Jockey to be a Engineer or related being.

The Next movie is looking more likely we will arrive in the AFTERMATH of David and the Covenant ships journey to Origae-6 much like how Alien Covenant we arrived at the AFTERMATH of David and Shaws journey to Paradise.

This now means unless they do another U-Turn that the Derelict well at least the Eggs on the Derelict are there for Up to 10 YEARS give or take.

Exactly, the simple explanation is that there is one type of goo. Different dosages change the speed of the reaction, and the different animal victims have different (but similar) mutations and parasitic offspring.

To have different kinds of goo, would require a stupid level of off screen complication, that would need a professor in logic with a chalkboard to explain to the average viewer. It just isn't probable.

Depending on what exactly happened to the decapitated Engineer in Prometheus, his head bubbling up and exploding looks pretty similar to the way the beings on Planet 4. The skin on the head starts to look cracked, then bubbly, then explodes.  The big difference being that the black tendrils shoot out from the Planet 4 beings and then hardens.  Maybe an overdose of black goo always causes an Engineer to break down/dissolve, but the more they are infected with, the more violent the death becomes.

i think this Topic Touches upon the Problem with the Franchise but also the Brilliance... is that everyone has there own likes/dislikes

The whole Space Jockey/Derelict/Eggs and what happened is something that has constantly evolved over time.

Originally the Pilot was Stuck to the Chair, part of the Chair...

I think HR Giger gave us the clearest visions and they should have stuck with his ideas he illustrated

You will have to compare both images...

A) Clearly if the Space Jockey had Legs then this Arrow is the only place they would fit, if we assume they are Bi-Pedal and have similar Proportions to a Human and Joints. Then A is the logical path the Legs would take.. But we can ignore this a bit as the Actual Space Jockey Prop has slightly wider Proportions (The Chair Length).

B) We can see what looks like a Dome around the Space Jockey like its some kind of Glass, or maybe some Energy Field?  But it could look like a Space Helmet.  Of not too is the Chair Connects Directly to the Helmet/Skull and so which sounds more viable?  Chairs Mechanical Pipes connect to a Space Helmet or to a Organisms Skull?

C) The Hose is Clearly a Mechanical/Synthetic Pipe that connects the Snout to the Lower Rib Area and connects to what looks like a none Skeletal Component.

D) The Arms do not look like a Skeleton and this is more evident on the actual Prop, and it has these like connected wires/tubes that are connected to the Chair, again as with B) would this fit more with a Suit or a Skeleton?

E) The Rib-cage and Eyes and Mouth areas are the only real part of the Space Jockey that resemble a Skeleton, this more so in the actual Prop while other parts do not look or fit with how a Skeleton would appear, unless the Organism was really bulky but still those Arms if they are Bone are still not the shape you would expect for any kind of Skeleton, but could well fit with being a Space Suit.

It was not long after Alien and so its been not something NEW (i.e after Alien 3/Alien R) where Ridley Scott had confirmed the Space Jockey was a Space Suit.

Prometheus shows us the Engineers Technology/suits are Part Organic and Mechanical and are attached to their Bodies, and i have made analogies before to showcase they could be part living/grown Material and seem to have a more Silicone/Rubber kind of Texture/Aesthetic

Here is a Cactus, both alive and Dead and we can see if we look at the Dark Grey Rubbery Space Jockey Suits in Prometheus/Alien Covenant and then look at the Skeletal looking one from Alien.  Then look at the Cactus and i think we can kind of see a similar thing.

The flaw here is IF the Space Jockey is now up to 10 years old, how come it has colored different than the supposed 2000 year old Engineer Bodies in Prometheus?

@ BigDave

Indeed, some of these differences could just be lazy directing and production, and the urns sizes could be for artistic reason only. There might not actually be a fully worked out reason for everything. But we as fans of the movies and lovers of things making sense, can use our best logic and evidence to fill in any gaps in the canon. I actually think it does make sense, especially in the novel of Alien: Covenant and in the script of Prometheus. Things make much more sense in writing than on screen it seems. I blame Ridely Scott for not actually being a very good director anymore. He is old and past it. His best is long behind him now. But I love Alien and Bladerunner so I will keep watching this stuff no matter how faulty it gets.

Something interesting from the Covenant script. Slightly more detail than what we got in the movie. This version of the script is not the final one, but it indicates the insect-like motes developed after the initial bombing.

"The original black liquid turned to lethal particles when exposed to air. Later stages produced parasites and invasive insects. From their eggs came, well... this enviable bestiary". They pass preserved NEOMORPHS now -- large, small, all pale,
white, fleshy ... Some armored like the ones we’ve seen.
Others not ... All awful.

There is no scene where Oram looks at the mote in the magnifier in this draft, so that was all changed later.

When the crew arrives at the juggernaut, they find a variety of small eggs growing inside. There is actually a shot showing a large spore-like egg on the Juggernaut control panel in the Advent video.

EGG SHAPED OBJECTS.
Randomly clustered. Different sizes. From aubergine to acid green in color, abscesses ... None as large or impressive as
the originals we have seen in the past. They are growing out of a bed of BLACK FUR. Like the mold on cheese. The black filaments gently sway as the air stirs around them.

David also says he designed the facehugger, or at least implies it to Oram.

Then ORAM sees...A dead FACEHUGGER. On its back. The pale, spider-like fingers, curled in like a fist now.

DAVID
Ah, now this was designed as something different.
ORAM
What do you mean designed? You engineered this?
DAVID
(smiles)Idle hands are the devil’s workshop.

I hope Tested's Alien series never ends!

@ hox

But we don't know what those symbols mean do we? They might indicate weight or intended target. Why would they need to say "BLACK GOO" on them in engineer language? Do all your Xmas gifts say "XMAS GIFT" on them? Nope.

And I responded there.

Not much info to determine the origin of the egg sacks. It could have originated as a fungus, but that is not what David's spore drawings show. There is lots of information written on them, but it seems to contradict David's other drawings and the movie.

Two of David's mote egg sack drawings label it as 'Clostrdio Tetani - sanaerobic pathogena'. Clostridium tetani is the tetanus bacteria, which is not a fungus. It's a bacillus that forms spores, and another drawing describes what puffs out as spore bacteria. Those could simply be his drawings of the original organism, and his later drawings that contradict those were made AFTER he made his own version with the flying insect-like motes.

All those packets have "Doritos corn chips cheese supreme" written on them. The urns have all kinds of different symbols.

@ BigDave

" these Organisms David has tested and experimented upon have simply not suffered the same affect as we see in the Bombardment Scene." - This is because they didn't get hit with such a huge payload of it, like those engineers did. The Engineers got it rained down on them like a storm. Other animals on the planet would have secondary infections from much less of the virus, so slower mutations and different mutations as they all have different genomes for the goo to work on.

As for the different urn sizes, without more hard evidence, all I can say is this -

@Yog Sothoth

Again i think the Problem is those working on the movies did not give everything a really good thought when working out how everything can connect and so there are a number of things that could be contradicting or confusing.

It appears they just add and change what the Goo does as they go along.

Where as Spaights idea was pretty simple and basic.  These are Genetic Engineers, they specialize in creation and evolution of life.

And so the Nano-Scarabs are a Creation Tool used to be able to obtain the Genome/DNA of a Organism and then pass this Genome/DNA into other Organisms... thus creating Hybrids.

Wolf + Sacrificial Goo  and resulting reaction comes into contact with a Human will evolve into something like a Werewolf.

so the different Urn Sizes and Writing on them could have just been a Production Team just making them all different for no real reason.  Which leads to some confusion etc.

However.....

Taking into account the passage from the Novel. "The original liquid atomizes to particles when exposed to the air. It then reproduces in whatever host it happens upon, and eventually gives rise to more liquid, which at the approprite time atomizes, and so on and so on, the cycle repeating itself almost endlessly."

This clearly explains the Bombardment and when i take this from the Novel as a Vital Clue (as the movie did not give as much straight answers) apply this to AC Engineers and Prometheus Engineers.

And i am being shown something very interesting... if they now are going for ONE kind of Black Goo that has various applications... so the Sacrificial and Urns are the same (which i think they are not)  or Regardless...

it appears the Substance (be it Sacrificial or Urns) somehow reacts with the Engineers in a different way, that simply causes them to reproduce the Virus, the differences are the Ingested Sacrificial Engineer scene we see it also causes the Engineers Body to simply break down and all that remains is particles/the Black Goo.

This ^^ could also be similar to what happened to the LV-223 Engineers as they are broken down into particles/Black Goo.

However the Bombardment Urns are effected/primed to have a different effect on the Engineers, where it attacks them and replicates itself but instead of breaking down the Engineers bodies, it just causes the Genetic Building Blocks to Solidify into a Black Hardened state.

This is how i can now see the Black Goo effects on the Engineers DNA now i can take the Passage from the Novel as a missing piece of the Jigsaw.

As far as the URN SIZES this was a very odd decision by the Production team as to why have different sizes and then load them into the same Cargo Hold, if they all have different effects.

There is never really a explanation to why they are different sizes so its really open for debate..  You would assume if you was a Race who created such a Weapon, then you would use the Same Size Urn/Jars and store the Same Type of Bio Weapon in them.

Rather than mixing them together....

Unless the size of the Jars is irelevant and its just like being in a SODA Factory making some Cola in Thousands and Thousands of Liters and then filling up different size bottles or better still BREWING some HOME-BREW and you have 5 Gallons to Bottle up and you may have say 20 X 500ml Bottles, 10 X 330ml bottles and a number of 750ml bottles.

[AvPG]Corporal Hicks

This will be an interesting read. Thanks!

@ Kethol

Oh right, so we should ignore what Fox said, and go with your theory..based on different urn sizes and unknown writing on them? You lack evidence dude. That writing could just be saying how big the viral load is, or it's intended target. Maybe some are intended to wipe out whole planets, some just a small area. As for the hours to DNA disintegration thing, maybe Weyland Corp know more about the black goo than we think? *Shrugs*. I've no idea, but it's still more canon than your idea. I think dosage as well as method of infection plays a part in the speed of mutation. You cannot say that Holloway was not going to mutate into something similar to Fifield. Maybe Fifield was going to spawn a trilobite of his own? They both died too quickly for us to see the full effects of the goo. It's obvious that Fifield got a much bigger dose in his nose and mouth than Holloway did. Just look at what happened. Facial splash vs tiny drop in his drink. Big difference in dosage. Also, if you read the Prometheus script (the one by Lindelof), it also has Holloway mutating into some kind of monster before he is killed.

Why the heck would an already complicated set of movies like this need extra complication with different goo types which do basically the same thing? You simply need more and better evidence to convince me. I can be convinced as you know. But not with this. Stare hard at those Doritos bags dude.

"The original liquid atomizes to particles when exposed to the air. It then reproduces in whatever host it happens upon, and eventually gives rise to more liquid, which at the approprite time atomizes, and so on and so on, the cycle repeating itself almost endlessly."

Indeed Yog Sothoth i have not read the book yet, but this pretty much does explain the Bombardment Scene, its pretty much what i saw the scene doing when looking at it in detail as i replied on here i think yesterday?

And so in reply to Kethol when he asked Like What i had been on about how just as you Yog Sothoth mentioned the effects in Prometheus, they appeared to be different to the Bombardment Scene.

Where we was left with Charred/Burnt like Mummified Engineers, we did not see this or any clues to this from Prometheus.  Prometheus clearly shows us the Black Goo contained a Viral Strain of DNA related to the Deacon/Xenomorph where contact with this would mutate Organisms into Life Forms that had Xenomorph like DNA.

The Concept works and drafts backed this up with how Fifield was more than a Toxic Avenger Mutant.  There was one puzzling thing though and that was the Engineers Dead Bodies that their Suits all seemed Empty/Hollow yet the Head Remained intact... which i put down to them being infected and breaking down like the Sacrificial Engineer only this Voilent Chemical Reaction was contained within the Space Suits and so eventually like a Cola and Mint Reaction it would explode from the weakest point of the container (Space Suit) and that the Ampoule Room must have been a Environment that would have halted the Process of the Black Goo, hence why the Engineers was all trying to head there.

Yet the infection of Black Goo with Holloway ==> Shaw, the Worms and Fifield had a different effect...

Ridley Scott had said however that Fifield was in the Process of what happened to the Engineers and so i assume eventually he would go POP!

Alien Covenant the Bombardment just seemed to cover the Engineers in Black like dust/particles and then from inside they started to regurgitate Black Liquid which also seemed to escape from other holes as we see in the screen shots.

And then left them all Burnt up so to speak... which i wondered could this had been due to a Safety Device to Prevent the Black Goo?  But since the movie, there is no proof of this.

Latter in Alien Covenant we see many forms of experiments related to the Deacon/Xeno DNA,  these Organisms David has tested and experimented upon have simply not suffered the same affect as we see in the Bombardment Scene.

And so this is what i was referring to as far as a few flaws, in that the Black Goo did not quite seem to perform in ways that added up....  When Jon Spaights Nano-Scarabs was quite simple and easy to follow.

Then we have that Weyland File posted in previous post, and this in a way contradicted what we saw in Prometheus to a degree.

Awesome! Reading it tonight.

"Note that all these package sizes, still contain the same snacks"

Also note they all have the same writing on them, except for the size. The urns have no similar writing on them.

"The mutations happen at different speeds due to the amount of liquid ingested"

Where is your evidence of that? Holloway was infected with a drop hours before Fifield and we don't know how much of the pathogen Fifield was infected with, whether he ingested it, or just inhaled it when his face plate melted. Their infections had completely different results. There was literally nothing similar. Also, David said the liquid replicates itself and a single application is capable of rendering an entire world uninhabitable, so the amount may not make any difference.

"Also, remember this? An official explanation from Fox, of the black goo, or "Chemical_A0-3959X.91 - 15_"

Yes, and I also remember us ripping it to shreds back in 2012. Don't take everything Fox marketing makes up as gospel. Nice little web piece to help the confused understand what the black stuff was, but unfortunately it contradicts the movie everywhere. It is a report from David to Weyland. Note the "ingestion" and "inhalation" time 0f 36-50 hours. Holloway was dead within 1 day. Same with Fifield. It also shows "planet tests" gamma and alpha? Not in the movie. See the note about the distance of nearly a meter that the urns are to be kept apart? None of the urns are shown at that distance in the movie. The ones in the Juggernaut are literally stacked.

That material is loosely canon at best. That is probably why Fox marketing plastered REPORT INCOMPLETE and DATA NOT VERIFIED all over it.

PS Love the Xenomorph in the OT...

If this is what Davids Early Xenomorph from Alien Covenant Evolves into at some point over the next 1-2 Movies i think this would be great.

Excellent i look forwards to reading this, thanks to the Hicks ;) and AVPGalaxy

@joylitt

This work is after the Paglen/Green Drafts, as there works had taken place in 2014 with the Final Drafts in October 2014.

Then it appeared there was a halt in the Process while FOX/RS took time to reconsider the direction, and so they decided to bring it more to introduce the Xenomorph and tie more in to Alien rather than steer further away and Harper and Logan were brought in to start work on what then Evolved into Alien Covenant.

Judging by the date of November 2015 i wonder if this is one of the latter Drafts, as Logan and Harpers work started in the Summer of 2015, well this was when they would have been discussing the Direction and Brainstorming what to do with Ridley Scott and FOX to then give the broad ideas to begin work on their drafts.

Really looking forwards to reading this. ;)

Once Again Thanks Hicks.

@ Waltermorph

I guess it boils down to what David says in "Advent". He says that the goo causes a different reaction with each genome it infects, so we can't compare the insect-motes with how facehuggers and trilobites work, because they are from very different genomes that got mutated (fungus rather than human). There are similarities, both motes and the others act as stage 2 of a life cycle, but the rest is very different. Motes inject something that re-writes the host's DNA to produce a neomorph. facehuggers and trilobites implant something else in the host. It's just different genomes.

By the way the main thing that swayed me on the insects being motes thing was this drawing of David's, seen in Advent. I didn't believe it at first, but this clearly shows a mote breaking from the swarm and implanting a DNA ball/egg. You can see the insect's face, above the legs if you look closely, it's a frontways on drawing. It's DNA ball/egg is moving down its mouth tube into the victim -

Interesting;, thanks for this. Some additional information is welcome. 

It appears that engineers did not all die instantly, but it took 4 days. Long enough for David to find subjects for his research.

"DAVID

Elizabeth Shaw and I arrived here -- the only survivors of the research vessel Prometheus. The ship we traveled on, the ship you discovered, carried a bioweapon, a virus. The payload accidentally deployed when we were landing. In the confusion we lost control of the ship. Elizabeth -- Dr. Shaw -- died in the crash ... And you see the result of the pathogen ... Their entire civilization came to an end within a few days.

DANIELS
Days?

DAVID

Four days, to be exact."

Yog,

If the facehuggers and trilobites inject eggs, why would the wasp-motes not also do the same thing if we're entertaining the motes as living "wasps?"  If the good cause fungus to reproduce "meat," then these wasps would be nothing more than the delivery mechanism for whatever egg they carry, not the "egg" itself.

I mean, you don't get infected from a facehugger by it biting you and changing your DNA.  It's not the physical contact, it's the reproductive cycle of the creature that yields the its next stage. 

I guess this is what I'm having a problem with.  If the theory of the swarm as "meat" is to be entertained, then the swarm is carrying eggs to be gestated in the host.  The swam can't both me individual creatures and "eggs" at the same time.

Spaced-Out I don't have the answer, it's just a theory. But if you read the novelization of Covenant,  there was a strong stench of ammonia in the basement where the eggs were.

When I googled ammonia I found the following definition:

"Anhydrous ammonia gas is lighter than air and will rise, so that generally it dissipates and does not settle in low-lying areas. However, in the presence of moisture (such as high relative humidity), the liquefied anhydrous ammonia gas forms vapors that are heavier than air."

So it may be a layer of liquefied anhydrous ammonia. I think they used this special effect back then because it was cool, but mentioning ammonia in Covenant may be more than a coincidence.

Aaron absolutely, this is post Paglen/Green and is the beginning of the Alien Prefix period which began with Paradise Lost and morphed into Covenant.

I have referred to camels/horses and committees and here you see a singular vision (whether you like it or not) to which all sorts of elements are added which dilute the original intention.

1) Shaw was out, the first chest busted victim and the drawings were a kind of psychopaths erotic debrief. The message was bait. 

2) The neo morphs were to end ACT 1 then the Prometheus act  then the Protomorph ACT 3. 

3) The naming of the film Covenant makes more sense given its more crucial role in the final act. 

4) DAVID IS THE CREATOR OF THE PROTOMORPH having discovered the Eggs growing out of the pathogen material. No ifs or buts. This fits with John Logans interview.  

Curiously although the script is more direct it gives more attention to the placement of the Engineers in the mythos and Davids view of them.

Personally I prefer it for its more focused attention on David and the crew at the expense of the Neomorph extending into the second and third act. it tells me why instinctively I found the adult neomorph and Rosenthal a distraction which aided the sense of a cluttered rushed third act less is more.   

@daliens if whatever burst out of the space jockeys chest created the eggs, then why was there a mist over the eggs that reacted when broken, like some kind of protection or maybe temperature control, like an incubator.

joylitt everything is possible with David. 

I some point I think he imagined how interesting would have been to have Peter Weyland instead of Shaw for his experiments.

daliens I mean validation for his acts. And recognition that he is at least equal or superior to his creator.

I reckon it's one of the later ones when the movie started to move forward properly. John Logan wrote it and he's the last writer who worked on the film. It's dated November 2015 which is when we learnt Logan had been brought on to do some rewrites. 

 Jonesy that's how they made the 2000 colonists feel secure and get into cryosleep for the Origae-6 one way trip.

David's idea:)

@Chli

That's possible. The Alien: Covenant novel states that David already had dead xenomorph eggs from the engineers, and was just recreating them using his own methods. Ridley Scott seemed to have changed this when he was quoted as saying that David created them. But either could be true at the moment, until we get 100% confirmation.

Sorry, I don't buy that David created the xenomorph. As I see it, the creature has either existed since long time ago, or it was created by the engineers. David re-creates (or creates something similar). The eggs, Space Jockey, and Derelict on LV-426 are ancient and connected to the outbreak on LV-223.

@ Waltermorph

Hi, thanks for reading. Yeah I asked for my previous threads to be deleted by the admin, because my theory has moved on, since I now consider the wasps to be the "motes". Anyway I will answer your points based on this theory.

1. It works something like this - The black goo mutates different creatures in different ways, but it has similar effects. It affects the host's reproductive system. So for Holloway, one of his sperms was infected, which mutated into the trilobite (within Shaw after they had sex). I don't know why only one was infected, or if many of his sperms were infected and combined together, but as David says, the black goo is a form of artifical A.I. It sort of knows how to mess with different organisms on a molecular level. With Shaw, we see that her eggs were infected, which grew into Xenomorph eggs (David also tweaked these by adding Neomorph DNA as we saw in "Advent"). Now we get to the possible fungus which would have been infected. On Earth, most of the fungal organism lives underground as a bunch of ... connected thread things, in the soil. The mushrooms and pod type things we see on the surface, are actually the reproductive system (genitals) of the fungus. So it stands to reason that the black goo was infecting the genitals of the fungus, as it does with other creatures. A normal fungus (on Earth as well as possibly alien fungi in this case) give off spores as a means of breeding. So if Holloway's sperm became the trilobite, it's not hard to see how a similar mutation could cause fungal spores to become tiny parasitic insects. Ok there are a lot more insect/spores than just the one trilobite (and who knows how many eggs came from Shaw), but as David says...the goo causes a different reaction with every genome it meets. That's how I explain that part.

2. Maybe those waspy insects have different techniques for infecting small and large victims. If it's a small victim such as a maggot or other insect...just one of the wasp motes injects a DNA ball (or "egg") into it. If its a larger victim, a whole bunch of motes simply dive in at once and inject their DNA balls. I don't think that what they inject are actual "eggs", but packets of DNA which "re-write the DNA" of the victim, as David puts it. So it doesn't matter how many motes are rewriting your DNA, it still ends up doing the same thing - causing you to spawn a neomorph. That's my take on it. Without any further information from Fox or Ridley Scott, that's all I can see evidence for.

Anyway, thanks a lot for your input.

joylitt It seems that David is convinced that no one understands the lonely perfection of his dreams and he is superior to humans, the next visionair.

He cleansed planet 4 without remorse.

He entered with the gods into valhalla. 

I don't know why he sent the reports from Advent. For validation? He is really beyond repair.

I am guessing this is a super early draft? Jack Paglen is not credited.

i also love this one from Alien3

aww so cute, love this pic daliens