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IRaptus That takes some stones to defile a Gibby Custom! I couldn't bring myself to do it.

IRaptus For Adam Jones, I only knew he worked on one or more Jurassic Park movies and I saw him in the credits list in the late 90s.

I really like that LP with the upside down horn, its kind of shark-like 

I think the next Tool album will come out 10,000 days from the 10,000 days cd lol!

Yeah, DEVO had interesting instruments. Castell initially took a saw to his lefty bass to get the beloow design and Bob's Ibanez has an interesting story to it. Remember that LP he had in the Whip it video where he chopped off the horn and glued it on upside down?

From memory Adam Jones of TOOL worked for Stan Winston's studio. Im pretty sure he was involved in the Predator 2 ship interior.....but I can't remember if we worked on any of the Aliens FX??? 

TOOL. Don't get me started about how excited i am about their upcoming album!!!

Devo definitely far ahead of their time..

IRaptus I can see that. I also noticed that watching the entire 1980 show, especially near the end, I was reminded of Tool. Like I said above, these guys were ahead of the curve.

hey dk i just watched a few songs from the 1980s live dvd.. Now i know where NIN got the idea for the LED curtain backdrop they had during the With Teeth tour!!!

Good to see another lefty!!!!

BigDave: You’re probably right, as usual. :) Let’s hope that Fox/RS listen to criticism (they seem to have done so in the turning back to xenomorph-horror in AC?). Foster's novel might not be considered canon, but Fox must have approved it, I suppose?

Interestingly, when David shows Oram the petrified egg (and the facehugger) in the lab (in Foster’s novel), he says that “It lies as I found it, a supreme example of the engineers’ skill”. But, it was also alive when he found it: “Sadly, it became aggressive, so I had to euthanize it”.

There are many possibilities here, I suppose. David could be lying (perhaps to make Oram feel secure). But, what’s the point in lying about who created the egg in the lab, when he tells Oram that he did create the eggs in the hatchery? To be honest, Oram is exceedingly stupid (but I suppose we can look at it as curiosity, which killed the cat, took over?).

Furthermore, (as you suggest BigDave) David could have brought the egg from LV-223 or LV-426, or from the juggernaut (but then it wouldn’t have lain as he found it). Another possibility is that the engineers brought it from the facilities on LV-223 to “paradise” to show the citizens (not so wise if it was still alive)?

But, the novel shows us that David did create creatures stemming from the spores (motes) and with the help of the mutagen/pathogen. He shows Oram dead and preserved specimens lined up (like the skinned engineer) as on Madame Tussaud's:  small mutated insects, neomorphs, xenomorphs/protomorphs etc.

But when it comes to who created the xeno (We have the mutagen/pathogen, the mural with a xeno/deacon, eggs and facehuggers etc - and the suggestion from the movie and other sources that David created the xeno), it might be as you suggest, BigDave - they deliberately left it open?

IRaptus That 70s version of Jocko Homo sounds excellent considering when it was done!

If you like these guys and have not seen it, I recommend the 1980 live dvd. It sounds great and things actually devolve during the whole show and has an interesting end. Great concept.

JOHNNYMORPH I honestly think the first two albums are best- Are we not Men and Duty now for the Future. They still hold up imo.

The Chinese version got butchered but did well in the theatres over there from what I have read.

That link sent me to some places my virus spyware blocked and I had a tough time backing out.

Wait for the official release........It's the only way to be sure.

i would say as things stand right now, the alien franchise is at a cross roads and all hangs on the next instalment. AC was one of the most hotly anticipated movies of recent times and the potential and theories of how ridley was going to go were endless, esp on here. then the movie hit and simply put, didn't live up to expectations. id say even those who say they like it would agree it wasn't AS good as they were expecting. for me the pace of the movie was all wrong with no character building what so ever, which is unlike RS. maybe those who cried out in displeasure at Prometheus for not being 'alien' enough had an adverse effect? I certainly think Prometheus has gained more respect now after AC. people WILL go to watch awakening or what ever it will be called after RS has changed his mind AGAIN. the studio will cut even at the very least and probably make a little profit but how much I believe depends on how much they loosen the ropes on ridley to just make the movie he wants. if it fails to deliver then id say the franchise needs shelved for the sake of its future. someone else can come along in a decade or so and put their own spin on it perhaps, give us a semi reboot?

Not sure what you mean by censored. The movie will be the theatrical cut and there will be around 20 minutes of deleted scenes separate from the movie. 

Not many videos do this stuff- it was done in one take too. These guys were always ahead of the curve. A normal edit is also available.

What We Do:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr3akQ8XX3M

@jdvyne

1) David did not create anything. He just cross-bred to get the traits he wanted.

As far as all the stuff you are saying about "improved" and "upgraded", are you talking about ADF's line in his book "An advanced model possessed of a wildly accelerated rate of growth"? If so, I think he just meant that to be what David was thinking as he watched the proto xenomorph being born.

As in, in David's mind, he considered it an advanced model. What he thinks of as advanced, for his purposes, may be totally different than what the Engineers thought.

2) The Engineer in David's lab is set up in the pose of Michelangelo's statue of David, and half of it is perfectly skinned to show off the musculature and ligaments underneath. The same pose as the statue of David in the prologue of Covenant. I think David was just saying it was hard to perfectly skin it, seal and preserve the tissue, and get it perfectly posed like that.

The Engineers outside were all deformed and shriveled, with the skin and tissue badly damaged.

The one in David's lab still has perfect skin on half his face and he is holding his own undamaged skin in his hand.

The baby neomorph and baby chestburster are so adorable o_o

I remember the 'Whip It' song from childhood. Cool tune. Must check out their other stuff.....

I thought I read somewhere that Xenomorphs could live for 150-200 years. On an evolutionary scale, it doesn't seem very smart to go through so many stages (egg/facehugger/chestburster/full-grown) only for the organism to just die after a few days.

If we relate it to lifeforms on Earth, some small insects only live for a few days, but then large tortoises can live for maybe 150 years. Surely a large xenomorph could live more than 72 hours?

Agreed, BigDave, I think it make sense that we take what Ridley says most recently as canon and what not. Just a tough to sea to navigate with al lthe change!

OP Kansas

I think the strobe lighting on the Narcissus may have triggered a trance in the Xenomorph, hence its lethargy.

Definitely the state of Spunkmeyer right Capt Torgo lol?!!

Tennessee. Even an Australian like me could get that one... without having to google it.

Plot convenience is the short answer

I think this is why its still all open for debate, right now we do not have any 100% Answers, it is looking like David created the Xenomorph but they could change that.

We dont have any knowledge of how old the xenomorph or the DNA from which it came or the Black Goo is... certainly more than 2000 years old (Black Goo) but we dont know how old it is or where it came from... only clues that can lead us to a number of interpretations.

As for the Engineer Corpses i agree, it kind of seems David was playing Dr Frankenstien with various body parts, but we can still ponder do those Dead Engineers Provide enough Good Genetic Material..? or could David had acquired more fresher Engineers.

@Kethol

I think it may sound a bit like Holloway, i think we may need to ponder what the Eye Worm was, and if it was his infected Sperm or just the Eyeworm that infected Dr Shaws Eggs.

I cant say if the source is in anyway correct, from what they was hinting at is there is a Ancient Organism they encountered either as a Punishment or by Accident.. which they did mention something like LV-223 being similar to the FLY movie Experiment.

So i think maybe it could be as Michelle had said about a Hubris in messing about with something they should not have, so maybe these beings experimented with the Creation Goo when they was not supposed to, and it then came into contact with a Parasite that created/led to something related to the Xenomorph?

They claimed the Organism was based on Echinoderm (Cystoids) but also in part also Cnidaria they claimed they looked a bit like Mosquito Larvae which when i look at these and Cnidaria well a form of them known as Sea Hyrdas i can then see a resemblance to the Eyeworm

When i had this information i had passed some onto Chris and as bizarre as it sounded, when i look at the Star Beast Mural i can see the Cyst and Tentacle things they described in it. Well on the Walls and under the Sacrificial Table.

My state is named after the pilot of my least favorite Alien film. Hint.....the local mountains are called "Smoky". 

 the airborne infection in Covenant scared me the most.

Ingeniero yay for Short circuit!!

jdvyne I like your idea with Jonesy, remember in Alien 3 Ripley notes that the runner "It's like a lion. Sticks close to the zebras."

Perhaps also the shuttle was just the warmest part of the ship, with Ripley having fired it up for her escape? 

Barf The Mog when you click share on a youtube video there is a button there called embed. Copy and paste the entire line of code it gives you. 

Once you post it on here, for some reason you need to click edit and then update, for it to actually embed the video, otherwise you'll just post the line of code youtube gave you.

I'm sure there is an easier way but this is how ive been doing it. Anyone else want to weigh in???

I still think it is far more likely that Prometheus references the Engineers. The Fire = Accelerant. The Engineers are a prototype human (Angel) that grew jealous of humanity's freedom, thus determined to wipe us out. The Engineers are fallen angels, punished with extinction via the Weyland Dynasty's programming of David with specific directives to revive the weapon that they fought so long to isolate and hide from the universe for their own purpose (hence his disconnect and seeming inability to maintain his sanity). It could be that Weyland is in possession of a Trojan Horse of sorts and has secretly known about the Engineers for far longer than it would appear. 

Very nice post, you dit good work.

But two things I have to disagree with.

1) I simply can not imagine, that david "created" the exoskeleton. The ibo-suit of the engineers looks exactly like the xenomorph exoskeleton. I cannot imagine them beeing so stupid not to have the idea to improve their Neomorph with an exoskeleton. At the end of prometheus the deacon looks like it has some sort of exoskeleton (because its host had one). The engineers must have been familiar with that "upgrade". I really don't know where David in 10 years could have improved something that the engineers worked on for thousands or hundrets of thousands of years.

2) "This specimen was particularly arduous to complete, and messy, you can imagine. Fortunately with thousands of examples from which to choose, I was able to practice on as many as I wished before finally getting this one right".

I think this relates to the petrified engineers. He took thousands of them until he managed to "wash" one properly.

I think it sensed that something was going on. This is for the following reasons:

On her way to the Narcissus Ripley almost stumpled over the alien. She left Jones there and returned to turn the cooling system of the Nostromo on again. While she's on her way back there's a scene where the alien took a close look at Jones in the box and as I interpred that scene, it was to imply, that the alien squared one (if I remember correctly it was just a few meters from the door to the Narcissus (which was propably open, since Ripley has started the computers some minutes earlier).

I think it went there to hide, since it felt that the last human was trying to get on that little ship. Being suspicious the alien just went in there to hide so it could be taken to a new place. When taking her clothes off Ripley came so close to the alien, that the alien felt it was out of danger and hiding would no longer be necessary - neither would be hurrying since the human could not escape.

Of course it could also have gone there to die but then why go there and not somewhere in the ore refinary or something.

I remember Johnny 5 IRaptus from Short Circuit. I like Fisher Stevens too...he was great in Hackers.

@BigDave : Perhaps we should start a petition. :P

@BigDave - "Again I don't know if this can be taken as true. but the Source i had from 2.5 years ago had said the Xenomorph Origin was a like tiny worm like Parasite, these Parasites could infect a Host and use their DNA to make a Hybrid Organism."

That sounds exactly like the mutation version that infected Fifield, but not really what we see in Covenant.

It was early 90s when I first watched Alien. I was less than ten years old , I think. It was scary but I was more worried about Jonesy surviving. haha....

Devo - Modern Life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E3Ho8NLtKM

IRaptus - How did you embed the video?

Kethol: 'Not merchandise sales. The real money comes from the home video sales, streaming, and broadcast sales. Theatrical is typically a money loser, but a necessity to promote the movie.'

Thanks for the info, yes, I was referring to the things you mention, I swept everything under one term, sorry...

Thoughts_Dreams - You're welcome.

China: now 45 million!

South Korea: close to 10 million! Wow!

 @Dark Nebula

That's awesome! I actually prefer this one over the ones Fox has released. Keep creating! :)

I think FOX/RS are watching in some way the criticism that the movie gets, they have more implied David creates it... as the Novel may not be taken as 100% Canon.

If we look at the Novel maybe indeed as Michelle had said, David could be misleading Oram with the Egg and its Origin... if not then i find it a bit odd that it was found on Paradise, but it could fit in with a story but i find it brings more Questions than Answers.

so if David did not create that Petrified Egg, it would be more likely David either acquired it from LV-223, or LV-426 (Derelict) or indeed it was on the Juggernaught... i dont buy the last one as it would seem Dr Shaw spent some time on this ship before she put David back together.

looking at the Weyland Files and Viral Site etc... i would assume if we take what David said to Oram in the Novel as Canon... and True... that he investigated LV-426 and recovered a Egg and took this with him to Paradise

But the movie makes it seem different, and a bit more drawn to David creating these, or evolving them from Organisms that was created via the Bombardment.   Ridley Scotts comments seem to back up that David created it.

But as the Novel is a bit different, and its a bit ambiguous in the Movie, i think it allows FOX/RS to change which way they will tackle the Origin of the Xenomorph Eggs on the Derelict.

I think they have left it open so they can explore a number of ways to show how those Eggs on the Derelict came to be.

@Kethol - I was thinking the motes were like tiny Tsetse Flies that infected the host with a neomorph larve.  Great topic!