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I think it can be interpreted as a number of things...

The Organism was hiding away so that when Ripley Left it could then (after it has rested) use her for what ever purpose or Agenda it had... Kill or use to create a Egg etc.

But RS had said at one point that the Xenomorph had performed its usefulness and was in the process of dying.

Which we have to ask why did it go to the Shuttle if it was going to Die?   Maybe in Death its Body becomes something else and so Restarts the chain of events?

Again i dont know if this can be taken as true.. but the Source i had from 2.5 years ago had said the Xenomorph Origin was a like tiny worm like Parasite, these Parasites could infect a Host and use their DNA to make a Hybrid Organism.


These worm like Organisms which they said were a larvae Stage much like Mosquito larvae can evolve and grown into what they called  Testicals with Tentacles or maybe looked like a Brain with Tentacles.   This Organism acts like a Face Huger and Implants a Embryo into a Host that Creates a Hybrid Organism.

When there are no Hosts to use, or when Conditions are not favourable this stage can attach itself to a surface (with Tentacles) and then they Harden into a Cyst like Cocoon.

Inside this Cocoon the Organism then performed one of TWO things.

1) It would clone itself inside so that inside it would be growing a smaller version of itself that would then be released from the Cocoon onto a Host to perform the same task as its Cocoon it was cloned from.

2) It can also instead produce inside many of the tiny Worm-like Parasite Stages, that can be released when disturbed.

They said the Engineers did not create this Organism, or at very least it was something that evolved Millions of years ago without their influence.    

This Parasite in the Tentacled Cocoon Stage can evolve into Eggs.

Again i cant say if this is 100% true...

This raises a few interesting points.. i have never came across those RS quotes from 1979 only the latter ones like the 1984 one, which was a bit ambiguous as could mean FOOD for Eggs but i always never considered it as such... and since first reading Star Beast this clearly shows the Original Idea would have indeed been to have the Organism use a Hosts Body to Morph it into a Egg.

so again we have evidence here of RS changing his mind as he goes along... it would seem they tried to do a Star Beast Egg Morph, and shot the scenes..... but then after Alien came out RS had made comments alluding to the Hosts being required for some Genetic Process/Food so the Eggs can grow/evolve.  Maybe these comments came from the actual concepts and shot scene where Brett does look like he is being consumed by the Egg, its as if the Egg grew first and Bret was slowly being consumed by it.

I think the way this looked ^^^^^ promoted RS to make those remarks in 1979, but then latter RS changed his mind to indicate it was indeed a EGG MORPH

I think we always have to go with the Movie Canon and RS latest explanations as the route they are taking currently and so his last comments were it is a Transforming of a Host into a Egg.

With Alien Covenant out of the way and 1-2 more Prequels that lead to Alien  potentially on the way, i do wonder if these will answer how the Eggs could come to be or show us to the FULL Alien Life Cycle as envisioned by what Ridley Scott wants to do/show with it.

The Video does give a good point as far as how this could work if they back up the Eggs being laid would come to be, the Alien only ever captured TWO Hosts.... and i was always drawn to the Brett Egg and Dallas to become the Host for what ever will grow inside that Egg.

If we assume the Xenomorph in Alien created a Egg but it needed Brett in order to take Nutrients and maybe Genetic Material from before it could Gestate a Face Hugger or other Organism inside (i think would be a Face Hugger) then i still think this Process would fit if this route was to lead to a Queen.

Definitely not dead for me and many others. I liked Covenant, but I want Ridley to get back on track and continue with the Engineer/David story!

That article and those box office numbers are old. It still has to open in Japan, but that is not until September. It is sitting at around 231 million and will bring in another 5-10 million over the next few months, but the theatrical run is essentially finished. 

An insect that tiny can't lay an egg the size we saw the motes coming out from in Covenant, so it has to be another process. Egg-morphing is the only other way we have seen in one of Ridley's movies.

I assumed the little mote balls were more of a nest or hive for the insects, not an egg, but Foster had David specifically called the one in his lab an "egg sac" in his book. He does not say egg sac in the movie, so that part is not canon, unless it is in a deleted scene or explained in the Covenant extras on the DVD/BR. We will know in a few months.

I doubt we will get any deeper explanation in the next chapter. I was surprised we got as much detail as we did, considering RS wanted connections like this to be much more subtle in Prometheus.

Yeah, it was just having a quiet nap. Then when it woke up, it decided to show the puny human how it was in complete control, and gave us the terrifying slow motion pseudo-sexual performance.

Slow day- seeing if any DEVO fans are out ther.

They should have it where David just found the Egg on LV-426 (which is RIGHT NEXT DOOR to Lv-223), and go with Dan O'Bannon's original Xeno backstory and call it a freaking day.

I wonder if we should send it to Neill Blomkamp to see if it inspires him to give his Alien idea one more shot (sans Ripley perhaps).

Why do people keep jumping between extremes here? Why does it always have to be 1) MAKE SIX MORE ALIEN MOVIES ABOUT DAVID HERP-DERP or 2) THE SAGA IS DEAD, NO MORE ALIEN MOVERS FOREVAAAARRRRRR!!!! Seriously why the fuck do famous people in the public eye act like such moronic mouth-breathers around any topic regarding the ALIEN series. So sick of this crap.

Great post. Not sure I agree with much of any of it as an Alien film, but great post nonetheless. Perhaps it should be a standalone self-contained franchise one day, a spinoff of sorts seen in the vein of Resurrection. This is most certainly not a fitting origin story for the Xenomorph, however. Nevertheless, a fan will come along one day and direct a film that circumvents this or completely ignores it all together.

Interesting you mention the flute. There are parallels with wavelength and the role of sound/vibration in the structure of an interdimensional universe. This is why I believe we've only seen the "tip of the iceberg" of the Engineer's technology, so to speak. We really still have no idea what they are doing and what they are capable of. David seems to have more of an understanding than even we the audience do. I believe this is intentional. David's role is as a 'revealer' to the audience of unknown information. How much he reveals is entirely up to Ridley Scott, and I hope that it isn't too much and that Scott does not spoon feed every little bit of it to the audience.

If it's canon. Will be curious to see if Awakening answers some of these questions. If the xeno was designed with parasitic wasp DNA then maybe it can itself lay eggs somehow (without needing an additional host).

for me egg morphing is the intended way the xeno goes about producing the eggs. it was in o'bannons starbeast and was only left out due to the pacing of the movie at that particular stage. it doesn't disregard the queen though as a lot of the xenos' background is still unknown and open. iv often wondered if morphing is the method used until either a queen is produced or there is a large enough number of drones/ warriors to protect her. it has been said the ovamorph/ egg is a lifeform itself. it may be able to sense when there is a large enough number of xenos about to protect a queen and at that point it somehow produces or gives the existing facehugger the required nutrients to enable it to lay a queen inside a host. once a queen has been born there would be no need for the xenos to exert so much energy on morphing and can direct their energy on protecting and gathering hosts. if the queen is killed then the xenos could revert back to morphing to repopulate the hive until a new queen was born. makes then harder to kill as even if just one survives the whole process can begin again

or could have just been having a siesta after its last meal

some believe the xeno went onto the shuttle for a quiet place to die. personally I think it was more intelligent than is depicted and somehow knew it was in danger and knew that the survivors were going to leave so it stowed away so it could morph the survivors on the shuttle. it didn't really have any need to be quick about doing this as there really wasn't anywhere the survivors could go as they were stuck on the shuttle. it could take its time once it sensed there was only one survivor and probably didn't regard ripley as much of a threat.

No one else who is required to know these details (producers, writers, etc.) Has much of a presence in the media. Plus, Ridley is kind of the master of this Alien universe at this point. I think most of what is what should be what Ridley says, but if it isn't adding up I'll look to others to help explain. 

Once again though, the personal canon comes into play. I couldn't sit here and try to rip you guys apart for leaning either way in whether or not morphing was occuring or what morphing means to the queen and stuff. Haha just have to try and wrap my head around it as best I can if I'm not getting any factual, canonical explanations. At this point, I still consider it egg morphing. Just food doesn't make enough sense (at this point), nor is it as badass and freaky

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Kethol RS is the one looked to for explanations at the end of the day. It might not be fair, but that is how it seems to be.

Did he? I'm not sure he did, and, to be fair, it wasn't his story. He is trying to explain what someone else wrote and clearly did not understand it, based on his older comments.

Xeno eggs are shown in the Alien DC to be made by a xenomorph cocooning a host, then the cocoon transforms the host body into an egg.

Considering we saw Shaw's body, she was not consumed to make an egg. The ultramorph, or whatever something-morph David bred to make cocoons to create those eggs either cocooned Engineers or some other large animal.

Regarding the 'Engineers share the same DNA with humans thing' - Shaw says "Their DNA predates ours. We come from them" and on screen we see this silly graphic that says DNA Match. That graphic is a bit of mumbo jumbo, but saying we share the same DNA is technically sound. It does NOT mean we are identical however.

Even DNA from two humans is not an exact match. It's about 0.1% different from person to person, but we still call it a match. There are still millions of differences on the genetic level. Millions of those genetic switches are turned on and have specific protein making instruction that are relatively the same from human to human.

What makes the difference between a human and Engineer is which of those switches are turned on a which are turned off. We may both have the same DNA and same switches, but if they have switches turned on that we do not, and vise versa, they will look and function differently than us. They will also affect a DNA-using parasite that grows in them differently than the same parasite growing in us.

RS changes his story, that is not new. I stand behind the egg morph theory.

monkey men all in business suits...

teachers and critics all dance the poot...

Q: Are we not men?

Okay, there it is Kathol! I just didn't know of Ridley specifically saying that they were morphing. So, he just got again with his misleading ways. He loves to say things, man. Just blurts some things out and it confuses me!

Way back in 1984 Ridley had this to say.

“What gave us the cocoon concept was that insects utilize others’ bodies to be the hosts of their eggs. That’s how the Alien would use Dallas and each of the crew members it kills. This explains why the Alien doesn’t kill everybody at once, but rather kills them off one by one: it wants to use each person as a separate host each time it has new eggs.”

In 2003 Ridley said Brett and Dallas were changing into eggs.

"They are morphing, metamorphosing…they are changing into, being consumed, I guess, by whatever the alien organism is, into an egg."

Im telling you 5 more minutes and that xeno would be cooked...out of batteries like Johnny 5 after taking a beat-down ;p

let's see how many 80/90's kids are on here and remember the happy fellow....

I need help understanding some things please.

At end of movie why does Walter spit out two facehugger embryos? would this not be a conflict of interest and considered evil after seeing how destructive the xenos are?

why does David try to kill Walter? did he not rip out his spine? it looked pretty convicing that one blow rendered david a stump.

That black dust pathogen...is it the same one from the first reboot, prmoetheus where the engineer eats from the bowl and sacrifices himself to create life on an abandoned world, hence a "star trek" form of genesis which add life to a planet via his dna? cuz whatever that black stuff was kills him instantly like it does to those inhabitants when that familiar ship drops all those black pathogens.

prometheus sets us up at the end when Shaw explicityly states she wants to find their home, asking david to plot a course to the homebase and find out why? if i understood prometheus, another dilemma, dr shaw wants to find out why do the engineers want to kill mankind of they created mankind? why eradicate what they created?

which leads to why does that ship come into the planet and kill all those engineers? what was the purpose of that, it seems unexplained, another mystery left open for sequel plot maybe?

did i see this right...it looks like he used dr shaw to incubate xenos? i did her corpse in pictures where it looks like she was forced to create his xeno pets. Looks like david has gone mental and is creating evil life forms, albight he does not know what evil is since machines can't feel or have emotions. i see this being evident when the first xenomorph hatched in the wheat fields, walter stood their in awe....so is it possible the creator of the andriods planted a hidden program in their heads to capture, learn and protect alien life forms at all cost? this is presented in previous alien movies where there is military funds at work that benefit from harnessing aliens as slaves to do bad things, or more research to unlock the creatures acid tech.

How is it Walter can peacefully engage the xenomorph, it just killed a girl so why not go after another human like object, i dont get that partt, why is there a 2 to 3 second bonding between alien and machine? do aliens sense there is no blood in him and thus ignore as waste of their time? are aliens that dumb that you can treat them like a beast, meaning if you stand your ground, and stare them down, you can maybe earn their respect? i dont buy that for a second, not in a single alien movie do we see such an encounter.

so far..bishop from previous seems to be the best favored to help humans and stand with them, david and walter obviously show (emotions) of what appears hidden programming to perserve the alien lifeform in continuity which seems paradoxical to me, in doing so, ends up wiping out the crew.

which leads me to ask....we see walter storing 2 embroys...i assume than he has resumed course to organa? that place the convenant was heading to originally...so with those two facehuggers...the sequel might lead to him starting a planet of xenos? he has frozen humans plus many human embroys to hatch at which point he'll than let the face huggers loose? why?

there is a moment bewteen the two driods, walter tells david his flaw is he can't create...but it seems thats not accurate, he can, xenos and has created various forms of it, hybrids.

so why create hybrids that will simply wipe out mankind or the colony that is to be on the new planet? what does he gain, walter, by wiping out the race he serves? he states "duty" yet this is a contradiction to his "duty" directive. makes no sense to me why he does what he does at the very end of the film. this troubles me.

any answers, thoughts please?

I couldn't imagine living in the south away from ocean breezes, or even lake breezes, without air conditioning!  Around July and August, if you stand outside for a minute or two, you WILL start sweating.  Pop-up showers during the summers all the time because it is just so humid!  I think I am used to it, but every summer that heat gets the best of me from time to time. 

Haha yeah, it is really tough at this point to organize all the issues actually come to a solid conclusion. Thus is the life of a fandom, I suppose. I love it though <3

I Moon Girl I had to spend some time in Kentucky a few summers ago- it seemed impossible to stay dry! Not much different than central Texas actually. Air conditioning is definitely a friend.

I live in the dirty, hot, and sweaty Southeast, USA.  Central Mississippi to be exact.

I just thought it was a basic idea like- If they find us, then we will know they chose a certain path and it will be time to destroy them.

I don't really have any thoughts on it, other than what Prometheus indicates.

LV-223 was a facility the Engineers used to make several forms of the pathogen, which they use to create life or destroy life. We just know the Juggernaut David found was about to take the pathogen back to earth and wipe out mankind before the outbreak happened there about 2000 years ago.

JonesRules I agree with your point and have read basically the same idea here and there.

I am glad the xeno didn't kill Ripley as originally planned although we wouldn't have the mess we have now LOL!

cuponator3000 I like the guy in the video and he does a good presentation. I just disagree with him on this issue.

I think most consider the director cut as an egg morph scene. HR Giger did work depicting it as well.

I agree that this will be an ongoing debate and also what is canonical- there are threads buried here dedicated to that singular issue.

Kind of the same thing either way, as the host is being used as raw material for the egg, but it seem the egg does not come first.

The Alien script implies they were being turned into eggs, and some of Giger's cocoon art show a body recently cocooned, but no egg yet.

Sorry, other than what I posted from the novel, I can't tell you any more. Foster did not elaborate nor did the movie, and I doubt will ever get that specific detail, unless it is in a deleted scene, but I doubt it.

In the directors cut of Alien we are shown the bodies of Brett and Dallas having been sort of cocooned by the xenomorph. They were in the process of transforming into or being used as raw material to grow xeno eggs, so we know that is one method of egg creation by the pathogen.

It was something I forgot to put in earlier anyway :). I don't know though, that guy seems to have it together, actually. I mean, he is awfully frantic, but that's him trying to be funny (which I thinks it worked haha.) At the moment, I am not sure of any quotes from Ridley about the scene, in which he said it was morphing.

So, for now, I am thinking that egg morphing is just not a thing. I think this may come down to, "what's your personal canon," type of thing. I am not sure that this question really affects the Ridley directed portion of the Alien franchise. Since according to him, there was no eggmorphing occuring. Still, since us fans will always try to connect the films and work out kinks in the mythology of it all, so it matters to us I suppose. 

Maybe, having a highly-evolved instinct (for its own survival and continuation of the species, among other things), the monster sensed that Nostromo was no longer a safe playground and figured it might be safer where the woman and the cat retreated. So it followed and maybe even sensed that the woman could fly them somewhere where it could continue its good work (kill, morph, procreate, whatever). And was hiding until Ripley found it.

That is however not exactly in line with the originally intended ending of the film (the beast killing Ripley).

cuponator3000 You should not have to revamp your post. The guy in the video cited RS but his video, although interesting, seems flawed. We also know that RS is prone to changing his mind.

Personally, I will stick with the notion that Brett was becoming a facehugger and  the CPT was to be a host because..........that is exactly what it looked like.