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Thanks... I'm 0% sorry, because I genuinely thought it was all good fun. All of this is nothing more serious than entertainment after all...
But yes, I'm also super stoked A:C will be here sooner rather than later, I hope we get lots of cool extra features.
Also, I hope my Covenant T-Shirts get here in time for Facehuggers!'s documentary interview!
cuponator3000 I suspect we will get milked by several versions- theatrical cut, director's cut a bit later, a repackaging of the whole series including AC, a special bundling with a Walter figure, the 10, 20 and 30 year anniversery cuts with special footage not seen in the original (that they could have released with the first blu ray) etc... We are all in for a good thorough fleecing ;)
On the AVP podcast Alan is asked the question by Aaron and Alan's response is that he is aiming to create ambiguity it could be David it could be the Engineers. I actually read it as David dissembling to Oram to make him comfortable with an active Egg. Alan Dean Foster wrote the novel off the screen play (he has not seen the film yet) and in the version of the screen play he received it was ambiguous. So the intent of the author and the original screen play is to create ambiguity.
The reality is the Engineers are probably responsible for the ALIEN PATHOGEN discovered by the Prometheus crew on LV223 and also for the Deacon immortalised in the mural. Certainly we "Know" a Deacon which Ridley describes as a fore runner was created before we reach the XXX121.
Ridley in honing the movie and in his movie support remarks credits David with the creation but that is only the XXX121.
My simple point is the much bigger issue is the origin of the ALIEN PATHOGEN which leads to all kinds of Xeno outcomes.
That David reflects and is seen to be the perfect example of the real "survivor unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality," and so is the Alien which pays homage to him on birth is connective cinema or at least it would be if it was not undermined by everything he places before Walter about his feelings for Elizabeth.
The problem with asserting that the Engineers created the Egg based life cycle is that in the original screen play and 12 minutes filmed to make the links with Prometheus David lies about the cause of the destruction of Paradise and then tells Walter the truth and he does the same in the unseen sections regarding Shaw why we should then believe he was telling the truth about the Egg "a small dramatic matter' in the story feels once again speculative.
I really enjoyed the novelisation and am fascinated about a novel called Alien Origins.
@cuponator3000 @VivisectedEngineer
Sorry for the ugliness this thread brought about. Still stoked A:C will be coming out soon and yes, hopefully there will be a documentary similar to what Prometheus had!
@dk
It was spotted in 2016 :)
http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/712910/NASA-Rover-finds-snake-like-creature-on-Mars
This thread took a quick turn for the worse... Haha but it's nice to see the date. I almost went ahead and preordered, but I am going to wait to make my purchase until the details of the special features are released (if they are released. If not, an instore pruchase is fine and dandy). I am honestly going to find, like, the most expensive and in-depth version possible. I am hoping for a documentary similiar the what Prometheus offered, ("The Furious Gods," was the title I think) and what not.
The alien origin story is already ruined by David, all i care about is who are the engineers.
YOU NEED TO STAY CALM! Because...she is beautiful!
Starlogger - Ahhha, so you have an OLED... Could I live with you?
Isn't it delightful that it went over his head, though? Look how much time and energy he put into dwelling on the memory of something he hates.
And, I couldn't help but feel pleased to learn that at some point he wanted to walk out of the film but continued to sit through it anyway for some reason.
Anyhow, I rather enjoyed reading his comment because it reminded me of a few of my favorite parts of the film. David, for example is my favorite character, and I particularly like the Captain Oram chestburster scene. So that was fun, to be reminded of.
Enjoyable conversation all the way around, I'd say. Too bad Dr. Curt Connors will no longer be participating and further contemplating the object of his hatred, because I for one would really enjoy that.
Also, I think it is fun to learn that Dr. Curt Connors is very confident that faced with similar circumstances, he would make better decisions than the crew of the Covenant. Envisioning Dr. Curt Connors in similar circumstances is also an amusing thought.
Don't bother commenting back cause I won't be reading any of your comments. So save your breath, I'm nearly bored to death and fading fast. Life is too short to last long. I'm gonna go listen to some Blink and watch good movies!
In other words it's not doing very well obviously. By the end of it's theatrical run it won't have made much profit, put out a better product and it would have made alot more money. Prometheus made way more than this mess.
Nothing went right over my head bucko, haha. I had already posted my answer before I even saw the other comment from Vivisected Engineer and I am not giving it any more thought than that. That was painful enough, let's all jump on the guy who has a different opinion than the Ridley Scott apologists. This movie sucks, Ridley has lost it. I could go through every problem this movie has but you would all come up with some kind of excuse to why nobody asks David what the hell happened to all the engineer people in the city or how a dude gets face hugged for a couple seconds and is then chest bursted later. Or how they wear no helmets or any kind of suit whatsoever on an unknown planet where there could be any number of unknown pathogens. The list goes on and on.
I agree, Starlogger. As I see it, the engineers had picked LV-223 to conduct their experiments. If something went wrong (which it did) they had safety precautions (cameras and automatically sealing doors). We see the engineers running on the hologram. One doesn't make it in time and we see a heap of engineers outside another closed door.
But why was the door to the whole complex open?
@chli exactly. There should've been so many locks and doors and vaults in that/those complex/es---they obviously knew they were dealing with a weaponized chemical more dangerous than anything else known in the universe---at least to life forms.
@VivisectedEngineer...
That was brilliant, my friend---
But, I'm afraid it went right over the good Doctor's head ;).
Got it preordered in 4K for my OLED...gonna be great! Can't wait for the special features and, eventually, extra cuts!
Uugh. That's a long time away. Was hoping sooner.
In my imagination, the mural on LV-223 depicts the perfect being (in the meaning of destruction). In the facilities on LV-223 (how many?) they experimented with biological weapons in order to wipe out civilisations. The mutagen/pathogen became the perfect weapon but wiped out the engineers on LV-223 as well.
But, did this creature exist somewhere - the perfect killing organism that we see in the mural or did it only depict what would happen when their chemical experimentation and their mutagen/pathogen came in contact with sacrificial engineers or humans?
I also think that the classic Xenomorph existed much longer than the protomorph in AC. The Deacon might be a creation of the engineers based on the DNA from the Xenos that they refined and store as the black goo.
However, it could be also true that the Deacon is the first form of the whole Xenomorph family and the classic Xeno the enginered variant.
There are, of course, many sexual connotations in Alien (Giger etc) but the tail goes into the back of Brett, as he is almost hypnotised by the alien, and draws him nearer. The shower scene is of course sexual in nature and the tail "rises to the occasion" but gives no other meaning. I think I would have liked a more prolonged scene where the tail goes up behind them, impales them both and draws them towards the protomorph.
Nathan Adler: It doesn't clearly show that the door was broken open from the outside. The low entrance is because of time and environment (Ruins are still being found several metres under the streets of today's Rome). To me, it's more interesting why it was open at all. All other doors were automatically closed because of the outbreak . . .
Just want to say a MASSIVE THANK YOU Kethol for putting this altogether especially for neophytes like me. Despite watching the films many many times - I do still miss things and find it really hard to connect the dots. PS I have never found your posts to imply that my confusion was due to my not paying attention :D
In Foster's novel, we learn that David didn't create the xenomorph (he tries to recreate it). The engineers had thousands/millions of years to create the perfect being (David had 10).
Oh god, where do I start? Hate the most, David, but the scene I hate the most and should have walked out right afterward was the proto/xeno, whatever the hell it is, chest bursting out of Crudup's character and him and David with their arms up and all that ridiculous, cheesy garbage and terrible CGI. But I thought Ridley would make up for everything because I really wanted to like this movie bad, boy was I wrong. I think if he had had Daniels realize and maybe ask a few questions to make sure Walter was Walter and her knowing it was David and taking him out somehow that would have salvaged the movie for me. There still would have been plenty of other stuff I hated and lots of ridiculous stuff in the movie but if she would have taken out David I could have lived with it. But nope everyone is dumb cause when there are two androids who look exactly like each other one wouldn't ask a couple questions to make sure he was really who he was.
@BigDave: Do you have a link to the previous thread where this was covered (as you'll be aware I only recently registered here)?
The problem with another faction of Engineers breaking open the door from the outside is that the section they did was too small for one of them to crawl through. So are you suggesting debris from the silica storms had made the opening smaller but that when it was originally broken it went deeper so a being as tall as an Engineer height would have been able to clear the height to get in?
If you propose it was another faction of Engineers, did they kill them through release of deacons, and if so did they gather these from one of the other pyramids? Recall deacons/ xenomorphs don’t tend to stand tall, but rather gallop like an animal, when in pursuit, and the Engineers running in the recording were looking back but not down which one would expect if it was xenos they were fleeing. If what they were fleeing from in this recording were other Engineers, why weren’t that other group shooting at them with stun guns/ tasers if they intended to sacrifice them to deacons?
As for the final Engineer in the group who fled to the entrance to the ampule room, wasn’t he following his crewmates, and if so, why were their remains not found there by the Prometheus crew when his decapitated head had managed to be preserved for some 2,000 years?
As for the hammerpedes, we still don’t know why they were intend going down Milburn and Fifield’s throats?! The crew found Milburn dead, as opposed to appearing to be incubating anything. While the second one had gone down Fifield’s throat, it would appear that when he fell face down into the goo that is what animated him into a xenoxombie. So what was the purpose of the 'pedes being so intent on going down the scientists' throats? It didn't appear that they deposit anything, so was it to eat their way out as mealworms tend to do to their predators in real life? That is, mealworms and superworms are known to begin chewing their way out of a predator’s stomach within ten to twenty seconds of that animal swallowing them live. Yet the xenofied mealworms did not do this to either scientist over the duration of a night!?
Alright Dr. Curt Connors , I don't know if you are typing a response, but I need to sign off for the night.
But, seeing as how you are having a blast, I hope you will think about it. Really think about it. About Covenant, and all the parts that you especially hate.
Really think about that now, ok? Think about it the same way one thinks of a jingle from an advertisement, that one has no particular affinity for yet cannot help singing under his breath.
Remember to think in particular about those parts which you most hate, ok?
Bye. :)
Which part of Covenant did you hate the most, Dr. Curt Connors?
@Lawrence of Arabia: Haven't read it. Does Ridley provide a reason for the faster cycle and what experiments in particular he conducted on Elizabeth?
No way I'm having a blast ripping this movie, it's always good times. That's just how I talk, I like those words and I'm pretty sure I'm doing it to the accordance of the rules. I could not use the symbols but I was told by some people to do so because bad words hurt people's feelings. Cause everyone on here is 5 I guess and hasn't heard those words ever, haha. Please don't use words like obfuscated those are too big for trolls like me.
I feel like all the details that were left out were included in the novel. I loved the movie but the novel was really really amazing. I highly recommend it!
This conversation is inherently enjoyable to us all, because we're thinking about something we're fond of. We're all pretty happy to reminisce on Covenant.
...Given that Covenant is something you hate, would you say this conversation is an unpleasant experience for you? Your obfuscated expletive seems to indicate as much.
... :)
(Covenant is great. :)
I want an LP version like I had as a kid. Yes, it was a record version of the movie.
Pietro Scalia who edited the movie has given a extensive interview which is the subject of a thread on AVP Galaxy so it bears directly on this thread .
If like me you were expecting Act 2 to be the connective tissue to Prometheus and then move to the terror act you would find his observations most interesting.
They had twelve minutes of material that dealt with this issue which includes the Crossing, once considered as a prologue. They reoriented the opening and placed the Prometheus link as a flash back in the movie after establishing the Covenant crew. So what happened to that 12 minutes ?
Fox and many of the audience and some critics felt that it should be removed completely, drove a wedge into the momentum of the film and "made it slow".
Those of us who had waited five years for the story to be told felt let down by what we actually received - a couple of minutes.
What is the back ground to this outcome?
Ridley has indicated he was delighted he brought the film in under budget 100 instead of 160 million and under time 87 day shoot as against 100.
Pietro was editing with a non Prometheus audience in mind and gave some answers for the Prometheus audience. The film needed to have gore to meet another criticism and therefore was R rated and had to be capable of an extra evening showing to make the numbers work so a two hour cut. As I said elsewhere "A camel is a horse designed by a committee".
They actually filmed a second flash back how Shaw died which was to come in the D/W scene in the garden and was another lie to be dissembled - perhaps we will receive all of this is in an extended cut.
Although the third act is a testament to "the beast is cooked" even the low brow expectations of what it might have achieved suspense etc would be achieved if it was cut slower.
Other than the obvious issue of reacting to the wrong memo regarding Prometheus's short comings the irony is that Elizabeth and Davids story had huge potential and if executed properly would have blown out the real time story, Ridley and John Logan would have recognised that so David and Elizabeth had to be plot point significant, only it could have been much better executed on that level but effectively for me it would have meant the movie was over by the end of the second act.
As it was it effectively it ended with David turning up and the 2nd act begins sub titled frustration.
To quote Christian Bale from Harsh Times, I see dumb people.
VivisectedEngineer Then do so! We just need to hear from Facehuggers!' guidance. There is huge fun potential here!
There were Blu Rays in the 90s, hahahahaha. Less than 3 months doesn't equal 3 to 4 months. That's like addition and subtraction, less than 3 months equals 2 months and however many days. Like May 19th to August 15th isn't quite 3 months, not very hard to figure that out and I suck at math. And yeah I know most movies come out on Blu Ray faster than they used to, read all comments before making statements as I said this in a previous comment, there are plenty of movies that still take longer to come out on Blu Ray cause they wait for holidays and such, man I am so dumb I guess. Thanks for reminding me it's 2017 where have I been, the years have flown by so fast just yesterday it was still the 90s, what the f#@k.
It would be pretty awesome if we could all sound like dying androids.
Also, David's voice sounded like that too, while Shaw was re-attaching his head in "The Crossing". :)
joylitt Well I guess I can kiss my hopes good bye on warm analog VHS release lol!
